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Ray Rice arrested in Atlantic City
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So basically the independent investigator confirmed that nobody with the NFL had seen the video but should have done more to try to see it.
I'm fairly certain that is what Goodell said in hindsight. His problem was believing the word of a wife beater and taking the word of Ravens management at face value. Now the league has to realize that THEY CANNOT TRUST THEIR PLAYERS and should not stop at anything to conduct full and thorough deep investigations in order to cover league ass.
I'm fairly certain that is what Goodell said in hindsight. His problem was believing the word of a wife beater and taking the word of Ravens management at face value. Now the league has to realize that THEY CANNOT TRUST THEIR PLAYERS and should not stop at anything to conduct full and thorough deep investigations in order to cover league ass.
Yeah and do the simple stuff like asking the question "Is there a video?"
yep, no doubt about it. I'm sure that question will be part of the new protocol for future reference.
I think this whole thing just took the NFL by surprise. There have been wife beaters in the NFL before Rice. Now, though, with the combination of social media and almost constant video surveillance, it is a new paradigm shift.
The NFL was guilty of doing business the old way of past decades and not being the forward-thinking entity that is required in today's media and entertainment environment.
handswarmer
Rookie
This entire episode was botched from the beginning by the NFL; then the Ravens botched it when the video went public...
This was an embarrassment to a proud and quality franchise
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
So Ray Rice has completed his penance...?
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Mixing metaphors doesn't work here. He has a sentence from a court judge which prescribes what he has to do. Penance involves a different kind of judge and different requirements for forgiveness or wrath.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Hmmm... didn't use a metaphor. Penance is a synonym for penalty.
but that word isn't worth stressing over.
I'll rephrase:
Has Rice finished serving his penalty?
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Better. I know he has been sentenced, but since it involves counseling, I'm not sure if it is considered finished until the court is notified of his successful completion.
That is what Playoff's post (#409) said. The prosecutor recommended charges be dismissed because he finished the required counseling. The legal part is done. My question is more can he get a job in the NFL now that he's paid his debt? If no team will sign him on - or at least give him a tryout - then he's still being penalized.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
Cowboys will pick him up and I'm not being funny. That's the perfect place for him. Jerry believe in gambling on these guys. If he doesn't work, well that's Ray Rice's fault. If he does, Jerry looks like a genius.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I never have liked the, "Paid his debt" phrase. His punishment by the state may be complete, but the consequences of the action are rarely over just because the time is served nor should it be. Show some respect for those who managed to do the right thing in the same situation.
But there are times that there is no good alternative and you can always hope that the lesson learned was to not do it again and not how to get away with it next time.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Information finally released from the investigation of the Ray Rice/NFL controversy. Evidence that the NFL had all the evidence from the beginning, but were trying to sweep it under the rug to make it all go away.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/20...ce-video.cnn/video/playlists/nfl-controversy/
http://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/20...ce-video.cnn/video/playlists/nfl-controversy/
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Is there a link to that story?
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Quick question here to you DB. (And I'm not trying to start an argument)
After seeing how badly the NFL lied and squirmed their way through the investigation on this case, and then seeing how badly they framed, lied, and did everything possible to ruin Tom Brady a year later, do you still feel the same way about the authoritative role that the NFL should be able to have without letting the court cases play out? I just remember us disagreeing on this topic when the Ray Rice saga was going on through the media, and I felt like your anger for Rice's actions caused you to take a hard line stance to want to see guys punished without considering how corrupt the judge of that punishment would be (Roger Goodell). I know the Tom Brady case is completely separate and not the same type of case at all, but it deals with the same circumstances of the NFL trying to push down some ruling without all the facts, using slimy tactics to effect public opinion, and all types of other corrupt measures to punish an athlete when all the facts may not be visible or investigated completely.
After seeing the deceptive measures that Goodell and his minions used to cover up what they saw and knew about Rice's case, and all of the corruption that went on in Brady's case I hate the idea of Goodell having any say in punishments at all anymore. I feel even stronger now that criminal cases should be resolved in most cases before a punishment is handed down.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Sorry I posted the wrong link. I have changed it to the correct link.;
http://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/20...ce-video.cnn/video/playlists/nfl-controversy/
Well, I still feel the same way about dude's that beat their wives, but I agree that Goodell needs to be completely removed from the process and the NFL needs to overhaul its internal processes with regards to these matters. The commish has consolidated too much power for one position, and it is apparent that he is incapable of being objective and consistent when dealing with investigations and punishment.
And Goodell should be held accountable when evidence is released that they knew more than they admitted and just screwed the pooch on the initial reaction in the Rice case. Why he deserves a $44 million salary is beyond my comprehension.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Whatever it takes to actually punish those New England cheaters that are getting away with it now.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
I have a few friends that have given up on the NFL thanks to Roger's bullshit. If the Texans and Cowboys keep sucking, I may too. That, and the ubiquitous daily fantasy commercials that taint everything vaguely football related.
I couldn't imagine not wanting to watch on Sunday because of the commissioner. That just seems baffling.
Baby, bathwater, nose, spite, face, and all that jazz.
Baby, bathwater, nose, spite, face, and all that jazz.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Your jealousy and bitterness over a winning franchise couldn't be more hilarious even after months of cheering on Goodell and his scandalous cronies who made fools of themselves.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Only slightly more annoying than you totally biased fandom.
And before you go there, I admire the hell out of the Pats even with the dings.
Even worse than the daily fantasy commercials is the fantasy dorks sitting next to actual analysts. You get to hear insightful perspectives on the actual games and teams, and then some nerd comes along babbling about fantasy points. NFL HQ on NFLN every morning is the worst of them. Annoys me so much that I usually just change the channel.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
YOU don't get it. It's not jealousy. It's CHEATING! It's not isolated events. IT'S SYSTEMIC! I HATE EVIL.
But I wouldn't sell my soul to the devil for a little temporary success like many would without hesitation and I wouldn't be jealous of the success of competitors who play fair.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
And here we have another one. Nice way to back track by acting like you admire them. You bashed them a ton over that deflate gate nonsense and didn't want to hear a thing when it came to how worthless that whole attempt was. You got caught up in the same media drivel that was falsely reported from the beginning by ESPN, and wanted to hear nothing. At the end of the day, all those arguments looked silly from the beginning Cak, and months later you and all the rest of the jealous NFL fans that wanted double standards and a witch hunt to take place all had to eat crow. Meanwhile, Brady goes into the SB and wins with what you call properly inflated balls, and comes back this year and is still dominating with properly inflated balls. But now you admire the Pats.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
They cheated.
They didn't need to.
Too complex for Texecutioner.
They didn't need to.
Too complex for Texecutioner.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
The butt hurt is strong.If you actually believe that every NFL team doesn't try to get an edge even your beloved Texans, then that is a personal problem of ignorance for you.
When I hear you blazing a trail about the Steelers, the 49ers, the Falcons, The Browns, the Vikings, and so many countless other teams that have been fined or questioned over things, you might not look so laughable. Go ahead and keep praying that Goodell somehow forces another judge to push his little witch hunt failure.
Your boy Goodell did everything he could to ruin Brady, and ended up humiliating himself.
How does the NFL screwing up the Tom Brady thing = it's ok for Ray Rice to knock a woman cold out?
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
You lost bruh. Accept it. Your arguments failed you for months just like they always seem to. Get some humility for once, and recognize that you got behind a ridiculously stupid witch hunt and learn from it. Even the most obnoxious talking heads on ESPN have came around and saw that joke of a distraction for what it was, and turned on the NFL for creating a joke of a story with no evidence and a ton of slimy attempts to botch their own process.
But don't put out this phony nonsense about respecting them, and this other stuff now because all your so called legal knowledge didn't back up your assertions. Brady not only beat the entire NFL last season, but he then beat THE NFL. Talk about #winning.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Jesus, nothing worse than a verbose fool who eschews reading.
Well, there's arguing with a verbose fool who eschews reading.
What about the fool that just has to read the verbose spewage?
robroy72
Rookie
It doesn't; but why is he being treated differently than, say, Greg Hardy?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You have a point.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
You want to point to a post where anyone ever said that?
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Cak, dish your insults. Make your little jabs. At the end of the day your arguments saying the Pats would be punished and calling them cheaters with no direct evidence that ever existed failed. A judge that the "NFL picked" still threw their garbage out. Their multiple attempts to sway the public (LIke you and Marshall) still backfired on them in the end and had most fans and even most of the media pundits who loves scandals even shaming Goodell and the NFL when all the real facts came out. Oh, and Brady's still smothering teams, so those alleged advantages you acted like he had haven't exactly shown since the Seattle game and every game this season. It is pretty cute of you to act like you respect them now after the fact. Well not really.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I'm sure you thought Barry Bonds wasn't on PED's too back in 2001...I mean after all they had no evidence as he hadn't tested positive on any of his drug tests and he was a great player before and after 2001 right?
Are you Ted Johnson b/c you have to be in some way connected to the Pats because you stay on this MB defending these dudes...like literally noone can say anything bad about them or they'll face your incessant babbling.
Stop swinging on Brady & the Pats' nutsack. What happened in deflategate doesn't negate spygate..you know, that other time they were caught cheating. Their propensity to skirt rules & be caught doing it has as much to do with people thinking the way they do about them as them winning alot does......no spin needed from Gooddell or anyone else.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Bonds is the best hitter of all time. After the MItchell report came out along with countless others, if you actually think that steroids mattered and there was a pretty level playing field, well then clearly you are selective in how you want to ridicule athletes. I hate Bonds, but that man was better than anyone.
As far as evidence goes, you can't just go around punishing people without being able to prove they were guilty of the accusations. You shouldn't be able to at least.
I really don't give a damn if that bothers you or not.
Spygate has nothing to do with this, and you're only bringing it up because you know that there is really no argument to make about Deflategate at this point after Goodell and his boys botched the entire process before and after any of their rules took place or the game they tried to hunt the Patriots down on. I'll take you seriously as caring about the rules when I see you moaning and groaning about the Browns, the Vikings, and Falcons and the alleged cheating that they were blamed for. Again, your ridicule is only selective towards teams you either don't like or that are successful.
DB and I were discussing the NFL's authority to hand out punishments without allowing proper investigations to take place and without the law being able to investigate punishments like domestic violence and assaults. You know crimes where people are falsely accused a lot or where reporting is skewed at times? I was discussing Goodell and his team having that authority and Deflategate was just one example that has shown how corrupt Goodell and these guys are and how badly they've lied. They did the same thing in the Ray Rice case, and that is why we're discussing that. Adrian Peterson's case was another mishandling as well. There will be another one this off season. You can count on that.
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Mr teX
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So.....to sum it up, you're an idiot who can't handle when someone calls you out on your BS Yes?? The only joke here is you dude. Spygate has everything to do with it b/c it goes to their reputation. Me rooting for my team also has nothing to do with people all around the NFL, fans of other teams and their own fricking peers not giving these jokers the benefit of the doubt when their gamesmanship comes into question.........for the 2nd time. You don't have an argument other than to make blanket assumptions about someone & what they know....which by the way you're wrong.
It is very possible to respect what someone has accomplished,& still hate their frickin' guts for whatever reason...........see the SA spurs. Unlike the Spurs however, The 1st thing people will think about with the patriots will always be Spygate and then Deflategate....... not how they dominated the NFL landscape for a decade...I'm looking forward to the tell all book and 30 for 30 that will be done on these chumps 10-15 years from now that's sure to expose some or all of the this crap.
As a closet NE homer, i know that burns your soul deep, but it is what it is chump.
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infantrycak
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Texecutioner
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Where did I show you that I couldn't handle your little tantrum of calling me out? You are the one here that has resorted to name calling and petty little insults, not me. As far as blanket assumptions, well you made an assumption the entire time regarding deflategate,because clearly you haven't even paid much attention to it. Otherwise, you'd realize that it was thrown out by a judge that the NFL picked themselves, and they admitted in court that they had zero direct evidence against Tom Brady. So who is making the assumptions again? How in the hell did the NFL think they were going to suspend a man without even being able to prove he did anything? And are you even aware that the initial report about the PSI levels was false by Chris Mortenson who blew the entire story up from the get go. My guess is that you're not even aware of that, nor do you care.
And again, where is your screaming and yelling of insults against the Browns, Vikings, and the Falcons? I'm still waiting to hear your screaming about them since they were all stated to be guilty of breaking these alleged NFL rules that are enforced "sometimes" it seems. Your selectiveness for what you call "cheating" and what is bothersome to you is all over the place and hypocritical.
Clearly the butt hurt is strong and it stings based on this last paragraph displaying the fantasy of what their legacy will be. The legacy for the Steelers and the 49ers isn't that of a bunch of cheaters, and the Patriots won't either. People will forget, and in the sports world people forget all types of things over time. Clearly you know a lot about that. Hell, you won't even acknowledge the other teams that were punished and fined for alleged cheating just last season. See how easy that was…..
Fan, yes. Homer? chump???? At least when Icak breaks the rules and calls me names, he's creative with it. I watched arguably the best SB ever last season while the Patriots got their 4th ring out of 6 appearances. My soul was more like this.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Botching the investigation didn't CLEAR Brady of wrong doing. It only left a cheater playing the game without penalty. It's sort of like OJ. Guilty but free until his next stunt.
The Patriots were hit with a fine and loss of a first round pick. They didn't lose Brady for 4 games, but they also didn't go unpunished.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Some folks don't seem to understand that Keystone Cops investigating doesn't mean no crime was committed.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
The Patriots were punished and they are now wishing they had contested it because there is nothing to lose pursuing even a frivolous appeal.
But Brady has not been punished for a football "crime" which is admittedly based on circumstantial evidence. But that is sufficient to meet the LOW THRESHOLD of the NFLPA were actually enforced and not abandoned by a Judge because he didn't want to offend his party buddies in New York.
You look for edges WITHIN THE RULES as a competitor. Those who knowingly play beyond the rules because they can get away with it or think they can are cheaters, not competitors.
Save the "everybody does it" for someone who isn't a parent or at least not a GOOD parent.
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