To use a golf analogy, it's easy to hit beautiful 7 iron shot after shot on the driving range... but get out on the course and it becomes harder than **** until you get used to actually playing a round
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"Mallett Will Be Starting QB vs Colts"... Opinions??
- Thread starter Phoenix
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To use a golf analogy, it's easy to hit beautiful 7 iron shot after shot on the driving range... but get out on the course and it becomes harder than **** until you get used to actually playing a round
Then them ******* need to find another job. Our freaking DE stands 2 foot in front of the jugs machine and catches balls full speed all day long. Stop being a blind hater. If you want to ***** about his footwork or accuracy then fine you have a legitimate argument. But this bullshit about oh the poor WRs only are dropping his passes because he throws to hard is utter bullshit.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
No they aren't. Rodgers had a QB Rating of less than 70 twice in those 16 games. Mallett has 3 in 6 games.
First 6 games...
Rodgers
124 / 193 (64.2%)
1482 Yards (7.69 YPA)
11 TD / 4 INT
Mallett
112 / 212 (52.8%)
1120 Yards (5.28 YPA)
5 TD / 5 INT
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I am currently uploading the week 4 QB cutups. I saw 4 to 5 throws in the Falcons game alone that made me say WOW! I will highlight them with time codes once the video finishes uploading and processing. But take a look at the other 3 weeks I have uploaded and there are more than a handful of great throws in each game that very few QB's would attempt let alone complete.
I challenge you to point out where his mechanics are so bad on a regular basis. The all 22 is there for everyone to see. Give me some time codes that you see consistent bad mechanics. O'Brien and Mallett both have confirmed many of the balls in the dirt are just balls thrown away to protect the football. Sure some of them are just bad throws, but most are protecting the football.
Mallett moves well in the pocket and has great pocket awareness and makes many great movements that give him just enough room to get the pass off. It's something he is highly underrated for. I see many of the same subtle moves Brady uses to maneuver in the pocket.
I think dropped passes, and the balls intentionally thrown in the dirt are causing people to see something that is not there. An honest evaluation of each snap will provide evidence of a green QB who has all the tools to be a franchise QB if given the time to ripen so to speak.
If the WR's had not dropped 9 passes, Mallett's completion percentage would have been 77% vs the Falcons. You can't blame any of the turnovers on him, including the early INT.
I guess it depends on where you draw the line. For me I count games above 90 as good games. Games below 80 as bad games. Rodgers had 4 bad games that season. May not have been at the beginning of the season, may not have been as bad as Mallett's. That's not the point. A lot of the specifics about why Mallett's numbers were so bad & Rodgers so good may have had nothing to do with them at all.
Rodgers stepped into McCarthy's system that the rest of the team already had 2 years experience in. He was the starting QB before OTAs even started. McCarthy is probably a better offensive mind than Bill O'Brien.
It's not likely, Mallett would have to have a passer rating over 100 for the next 12 games to get his numbers anywhere close to Rodgers. I just don't think we can say right now, after 3 starts this season that Rodgers is a bad comparison using Rodgers 16 game numbers.
Yeah. No one said their first six starts were comparable.
I don't think he's Aaron Rodgers, or will be. But Aaron Rodgers had 4 games with a passer rating below 80 (11 games over 100). Mallett already has three of them this season.
Maybe he's Joe Flacco..... 7 games below 80 (5 games over 100).
Maybe he's Ryan Tannehill 8 games below 80 (2 games over 100).
Teddy Bridgewater, 3 games below 80 (3 games over 100) only started 12 games.
Tom Brady, 8 games below 80 (3 games over 100)...
Who knows? (I know I said I personally use a passer rating over 90 as a "good" game, but I was shocked that Rodgers had 11 games over 100 that I used 100 for this post. over 100 is a damn good game.)
Tom Brady, Joe Flacco, & Ryan Tannehill would barely be memories in the NFL if their first 3 games were used to decide if they'll ever make it. Tannehill should probably be a memory. But....
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Okay, so let's go ahead and give Mallett credit for a completed pass for all those drops. ALL of them. Every single one. If it was a great throw and it was dropped, give him that. If it was a terrible pass that resulted in a drop, give him that too. Don't have a single drop in a game.
Hopefully you now you see how that might skew things.
You can go back and play with the completion percentage numbers that way, but honestly you could do that with any quarterback. Yes, the Texans lead the league in dropped passes. But they also lead the league in pass attempts. The more you pass, the more drops to likely occur.
Their drop percentage rate is 4th most in the league. They drop the ball a lot. I'll totally give you that. But the Cardinals, Falcons, and Patriots are also in the top 10 when it comes to drop percentage. Nobody needs to play these kind of games with their quarterbacks because there's no need to. They know. It's evident. But if you want to give Mallett credit for those drops, then do it for those guys too. All you'll be doing is changing the numbers but the gap between Mallett and everyone else is still the same.
Oh, and the Rams, Giants, and Jaguars have a higher drop percentage than the Texans. Yet miraculously Foles, Eli, and Bortes still surpass Mallett in QBR, completion percentage, and (most importantly for me) DVOA. Basically any metric you want to use, Mallett is worse than any of those guys despite having less drops.
First off, you brought this point up to me earlier in another thread and I wanted to touch up on it. Apologizes for not doing so as it's certainly a good talking point.
You argued similarly compared to Mariota in that Mariota was named the starter early on which streamlined his growth a bit. Here you mentioned Rodgers' situation. Yes, Rodgers was named the starting QB before OTAs and yes the system was in place.
But it's not like Mallett is some street free agent we signed after other teams made their last roster cuts. O'Brien traded for Mallett nearly a year ago, and there were rumblings that he was trying to get him even before that. It was the worst kept secret in Texans history that O'Brien wanted Mallett. Why? Because he saw Mallett as the perfect QB for HIS system, a system that was already in place by the time he arrived.
You could say he was never named the starter prior to week 2 of this season. Okay. But wasn't he involved in a heavy camp battle to become said starter? You'd assume he was preparing just as hard as any originally named starting quarterback would. Heck you could say he was probably preparing even harder because he was fighting to gain that job in the first place. And despite wanting him from the moment he arrived in Houston, despite trading for him and putting him in perhaps the most winnable camp battle of all time, O'Brien still named Hoyer the starter.
Simply put, the vast majority of quarterbacks in this league don't get anywhere near the kind of preparation time Mallett had. He's just not a capable NFL quarterback.
I think we can both safely say McCarthy probably is a better offensive mind than BoB.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Honestly, I'll just say that IMO it looks like the whole team is pretty much playing like crap, and this is not helping Mallett or Hoyer....except in garbage time. Nobody's getting open, O-linemen are knocking the freaking ball out of Foster's arms, stunts are leaving RBs huge holes to run through (and the D is just giving up on runs too often), the whole team is too freaking slow, missed tackles, RBs with little-to-no vision.
WHERE IS THE COACHING? I know one thing: there is not enough enthusiasm on the part of the players, and I do blame OB for that. But having said that, we had the same problem with Kubiak at the end, and I am convinced that he was a good HC that just had bad times to go through.
WHERE IS THE COACHING? I know one thing: there is not enough enthusiasm on the part of the players, and I do blame OB for that. But having said that, we had the same problem with Kubiak at the end, and I am convinced that he was a good HC that just had bad times to go through.
Texan_fan_13
Needed: OL now that we have a QB worth it
I agree with this post which is why i'm not ready to write mallett off. I hate the blame everyone else mentality i will say that. But with two legit wide recievers, AJ and Dhop in the cleveland game, Obrien calling the plays and keeping him uptempo, which is the type of QB he is, it all worked right.
In an offense with just DHop (don't really think shorts or washington have the same regard as AJ) and no TE a rookie OC who calls rollouts for a pocket passer, what are we to expect.
And btw, i didn't appreciate Brian Hoyer praising the Oline when he came in. That was a real pr**k move IMO. I was @ the game he was pulled from and he had zero awareness.
If you gave Mallett the tools for success, and not a third string set of players with the exception of DB and DH, maybe all this mallett is bad stuff would be right. With that said Mallett has had very few sacks and on INT a game and to me that speaks to how good he is not how bad he is. The rest of everything around him is so bad, we should have 5 turnovers/sa
Lastly, I do think he throws the ball to hard but he seems to puts them in places that good receivers should catch the ball. Rewatch the play to Nat Washington that all he had to do was look up ad he would of been hit in stride. Who's fault was that? The offense as a whole is terrible. But does that mean that Mallett is terrible. Maybe we should of let Mallett work this out in camp instead of a QB competition with Brian Hoyer. And does that not go back to Bill Obrien being over his head. All this makes my head spin its so confusing.
Texan_fan_13
Needed: OL now that we have a QB worth it
Aaron Rodgers was 6-10 in his first season. 6-10. Go look at the videos fans up up that complained about him. 6-10. Chad Pennington is #12 all time in the history of football QB rating. Anyone want him to be our QB. How about David Garrard is 22 overall, anyone want him. The problem with the QB ratings is there is no accounting for garbage time stats. Its what i agrued about Matt Schaub for years. He was a guy who excelled when the game was not on the line and was one of the best QBs between the 20s. I"m not hung up on QB ratings i'm hung up on who wins games. And when i look @ Aarron Rodgers first season 6-10. Matt Schaub (third round pick like mallett) 8-8. Peyton Manning 3-13. Tom Brady 11-5. Right now Mallett is 2-3.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
A young Chad Pennington? The guy didn't have a good arm. In fact some people claimed he had the weakest throwing arm in the league (noodle arm nickname), but he knew how to run that West Coast offense to perfection. Too many short and quick passes was his calling card. He played to his strengths. The type of plays the Texans like to call right now suit a guy like that. He'd have been an ideal fit for this year's Texans team.
He would have been funny to see on Hard Knocks as well.
Just a big dorky dude who had some presence about him.
But going back to Ryan Mallett. We aren't playing to his strengths. He has one of the strongest arms in the leagues but that's useless if we aren't throwing deep. We're still calling for the same short passes under 5 yards with a guy who just wants to lit it rip 20 or 30+ yards down the field.
And when Ryan Mallett is throwing those short passes they are fastballs that are hard to catch. All he has to do is take some velocity off and more of his short passes will be caught. You can say a professional wideout, tight end or running back should still catch them but it's hard to catch a ball thrown that close and that hard.
It's the coaching staff, in our case Bill O'Brien and George Godsey, which should be putting Ryan Mallett in a better position to succeed if he's going to be our starting quarterback. That should require tinkering the playbook to better suit his strengths. I can see why Brian Hoyer was named the starter because on the surface he seems like a better fit running our offense. But he played so poorly Week 1 and lost the job fast.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
QBR attempts to do that and the distinction comes out
Pennington approx 45
Garrard approx 55
Schaub approx 63
Rodgers 1st year starting 66.5, career approx 78
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Sorry, but this is just not close. Mallet couldn't even get the ball down the field so the team could muster up 3 points. Hell, he couldn't even get in FG position. That is as terrible as an offense can get. And I have to keep reminding people that this is the ATL defense. They aren't anything special at all. And you are talking about Mallet needing to ripen as if he is a rookie. He has been in the league like 4 or 5 years now. He is a veteran player in this league and back up QB's that are going to be good almost all the time come in right away and are good QB's. They don't struggle immensely game after game like Mallet has. His big arm is and has shown to be the most overrated thing about him. It is also one of the most overrated things people have always looked at on QB's to some degree, because a big arm alone doesn't equal effectiveness. Mallet is very inconsistent and not really that effective at getting the ball down the field methodically. His big arm doesn't really matter at the end of the day. He doesn't see the field that well either. There are a ton of plays where he has several reads and a lot of options, and he way to often only has confidence in making his check down passes. Hell, that is where all of his completion % is coming from. Mainly just check down passes.
And I'll agree with you that the receivers have been trash as a unit. They are certainly not helping the situation. They're making it worse. Mallet's style of throwing fireballs at every turn though makes their job a lot more difficult despite what people want to say about having to catch every ball. No receiver in the league catches every ball, and it is the job of the QB to be a good all around passer which means knowing when and where to throw those types of balls and when and where to throw some soft passes and floaters. Great passers do that. Mallet does not.
Honestly, and this is not meant to offend, but anyone that discredits Brady with that mentality is a football moron. That's clearly either ignorance or bias, because the dude will go down as one of the greatest QBs this league has ever seen.
As far as Kubiak, I know you hate the guy, but you've got to be objective about it. He's not a great head coach by any measure, but he is a solid offensive coordinator. Like 'cak mentioned, both HoF QBs Elway and Young won their Super Bowls when Kubiak was coaching them. Heck, for Elway's two rings, Kubiak was calling all the offensive plays for both seasons. And both QBs often and consistently credit Kubiak as a coach to help them achieve those seasons.
Since then, he's coached mediocre QBs to have their best seasons (i.e. Griese, Plummer and Schaub). Even Flacco had great stats last season under Kubiak's scheme. While you probably do not agree, you've got to at least admit that a solid case can be made that Kubiak is more "QB guru" than anything on O'Brien's short resume.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Yep. That's a fact. Unfortunate for us though.
Having seen the all 22 & watching the defensive snaps over again I think it's possible for the coaches to sell the team on how close they are to being something special. OB can build off that "Almost team" thing he brought up on HK. There's a lot of "almosts" out there that could have won the game.
I think they're close & if they can stay the course, they can really take the league by surprise.
Or the coaches can say it's too difficult, these guys will never get it & simplify on both sides of the ball. No one grows. They may execute better, which will win games against the dregs of the league. But when they play the big bois.... they're severely outclassed.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Kind of hard to do when you passes are being dropped. You do realize it's a team game right. Mallett cannot catch his own passes, or open up running lanes.
How many games has Mallett played in? Going to practice for 3 years does not equal playing in games, and games and practice are two very different animals. So for all intents and purposes, he is a rookie.
Bullsh!t. Watch the all 22. I highlighted 5 throws that exemplary. One of which was Mallett making his progressions with perfect foot work --eyes and feet tied together as he made progressions-- and a perfect delivery to his 3rd read. You are going to have to back up your assertions with evidence. I understand you think your opinion is beyond reproach, but I am going to need to see what you base these obviously biased opinions on. If you can't do that, then you are full of hot air and not worth engaging.
Really? Where are these "tons of plays?" Let's see them. You are imaging things. Just watch the film I posted. Very few check downs. Does he does it sometimes. Of course, all QB's do. Sometimes you just have to take with the defense is giving you. Everyone knows that.
Total bullsh!t... prove it.
Texecutionor said:
Nitrofish said:
Air Yards. "Air yards is defined as the total distance that a football is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage to the point of reception. Air yards is calculated by taking total passing yards and subtracting Yards After the Catch (YAC)."
Of the current qualifying 34 quarterbacks this season, Mallett ranks 22nd in air yards per attempt. 3.66 air yards per attempt. As much as I dislike Hoyer, he's crushing Mallett there with 5.36 air yards per attempt.
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-air-yards/2015/
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Big difference between short passes, and check downs. Check down is your last option, and Mallett is not throwing only check downs. Hoyer came in during garbage time up against the 2nd and 3rd stringers when the Falcons were playing zone and keeping everything in front of them. That's hardly anything to hang your hat on. Oh then there's the fact it's only been 4 games. No one is trying to say Mallett has been lighting it up, but he has plenty of time to do so, and surely if less passes are dropped those numbers will rise.
Dan Pastorini also slinged the ball like it was fired out of a cannon. And I remember the same bitching going on about the WRs dropping passes. It took him about 4 years to figure out what the words 'touch' and 'catchable ball' meant. Hope Mallett isn't that slow on the uptake.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Well, it will probly help if Mallett drinks, snorts, and stays up all night less often than Pastorini apparently did.
PS-If there were hotties involved, I don't really blame him.
speedfreek
All Pro
The guy has no touch. He had grade school ball, high school ball, college ball, and
multiple years in the pros to develop touch and didn't. That's why:
1) He stinks
2) The pats cut him
3) BoB brought in Hoyer
The only reason I can see us playing him now is that we are making an honest effort
to tank the hell out of the season to get an earlier first round pick.
The guy just isn't an NFL QB
It's actually painful to watch him play. Like Tebow, but without
_any_ mobility whatsoever..
You know there were hotties involved. Even 1970's hotties count, hair and all.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
I wouldn't be a very good QB. I'd need PEDs just to stay awake during the games.
Sux to be you....
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And NFL receivers can't catch his ball
Somehow Arkansas receivers could catch 60.3% at 9.2 ypa.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
BOB: "Sign-'em up!"
& I don't think any of them were "good enough" for the NFL
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I'm convinced O'Brien, or Godsey are intentionally trying to play small ball, and all I can come up with is that they are trying to reign in Mallett to limit mistakes. An arm talent like that one would think you would throw more deep stuff. But do we even have any speedy receivers that can take the top of the D off? I don't think so. Mallett was horkin' it for a 7 yard average for the Browns game last season, and they had a really good secondary.
Were I in charge of play calling, every single time I saw single coverage on Hopkins and only a single high safety, I would be throwing it up to Hopkins. No, I am not an NFL OC, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once.
Were I in charge of play calling, every single time I saw single coverage on Hopkins and only a single high safety, I would be throwing it up to Hopkins. No, I am not an NFL OC, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once.
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HJam72
Hall of Fame
I don't think we have the speed. I also don't think Mallett is seeing the open receivers when they get open, which isn't often enough. His vision looks very narrow to me. Payton Manning sees 2/3 of the field without even moving his bulbous head. Mallet sees about 1/6 of it. I'm saying his vision is David Carr-like. He wants to win more, but it's still a problem.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Pastorini had a cannon all right. But when he had a receiver wide open deep he would consistently throw 10 yards over his head. Johnny Unitas realized this, and when Dan threw a football up onto a 6th floor balcony, Unitas commented, "His receivers were on the 2nd floor."
I'm also reminded of Warren Moon, who could not read a defense, so to avoid interceptions he had to fire bullets and shake his head when they bounced off the receivers' hands.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Where do you get that idea? Watch the videos, he clearly sees the field, and is great at pre snap reads. Just because he chooses not to go deep does not mean he is not seeing the field. You have to remember the offense is geared to specific reads to get the ball out fast. If those first reads are not available, then he is to look elsewhere. When the first option is available, Mallett is expected to deliver the ball on time.
That's one of the things that won't get better sitting on a bench. There's a difference between college football & the pros. The field looks the same size, but because everyone is faster, can jump higher, and are more athletic overall, the windows don't seem as big.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
I watched all the passes on the All-22, but not dozens of times like you no-doubt have. I do agree that his pre-snap reads look fine. I'm see people open sometimes (and, granted, they are not getting open that often) that he is not (or no longer) looking at. Maybe they are getting open too late. It is not deep passes, though. It is 12-18 yard stuff and he is throwing the 5 yard dump-offs instead. Maybe I am expecting too much. I always see missed open receivers. I even saw them when Schaub was doing well.
So what you're saying is that after watching his four games as an nfl starter and his college film you don't need tk see anymore you know he sucks and there's no chance he can get better? Wow you should be a college scout. You're awsome.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
No, but he can throw passes where his WR's don't have to stretch their arms way up in the air or to reach down to their ankles to catch them. He could make it easier by throwing an "accurate fastball" instead of passes that his receivers have to adjust to practically every time. You know that it was accurate passers general do. Rogers throws lasers to a lot, and his WR's catch them. YOu know why? Because they're usually thrown in areas where the receivers aren't having to making difficult adjustments all game long.
Now Mallet is a rookie?? Lol! So, I guess I've imagined all these other backup QB's all these years that became successful starters and how they went in right away and were able to look like competent QB's that could start in this league. Guys like Romo, Rogers, Brady, Warner, and all of the rookies that have came in right away and had strong careers. Hell, even Kirk Cousins was able to have success in his first few starts here and there and could move the ball down the field before he began to struggle some. He still looked light years ahead of Mallet. But somehow Mallet gets "rookie status" for 5 years folks!!
That is the most ridiculous and hilarious thing I've heard any fan say about a guy that's been in the league for 4 years. By far the the most coddled statement from a fan I've heard. He's still a rookie, so we have to baby him when he has played for half a decade now. Lol!
We get it. You want Mallet to be the guy, but expecting us to buy into these phony fantasies that he hasn't played poorly when he can't even muster up a FG against an average defense because he can't move the ball down the field isn't going to happen. You're going to keep running into walls and losing whatever credibility you might have had left arguing for some guy like that who just got benched for Hoyer AGAIN. You spewed these same arrogant arguments for Yates and Keenum in here, so this is the same stuff I've come to expect from you.
Prove what? Lol! What do you need to see from me that you couldn't see last Sunday? MALLET GOT BENCHED! HELLO! Your boy couldn't even beat out Hoyer to start for the season. HOYER! He couldn't beat out that guy. He couldn't beat out Firtzpatrick last season for the job. He had to take the job by injury. Last Sunday, he got benched again for Hoyer and Hoyer clearly outplayed him by a long shot.
Mallet threw his typical passes all over the field that were away from his receivers. This smoke and mirrors crap about how the coaches won't allow him to throw down the field is a joke. He has plays where he can all the time, but he can't hit them in stride and he can't get the ball to them when he tries. He is always off the marker the majority of the time. And, he panics the majority of the time and looks to his RB or to a guy that is 6 yards in front of him to complete a pass.
Mallet won't finish this season as a starter. You can keep pushing these irrational arguments out there for him, but he is gone after this season or he'll just be our career backup after this year when we search for new QB's again. Right now he is a dead man walking whether you want to realize that or not. I wanted him to success here too, but I won't sit around imagining things that happened on the field that I didn't see just because I want them to be true as if I'm on LSD or something.
Mallet should start and play every minute of every game. Not because i think he is the "guy" but to make sure he is not.
Mallett has poor decision making skills. Thinks he can force ball in tight places but his touch and accuracy make this an interception waiting to happen. BOB knows he should go with Hoyer but doesn't want to appear a complete idiot. May change again before this game done but too late.
Exactly.
Texan_fan_13
Needed: OL now that we have a QB worth it
I"m okay with it either way honestly. Bill Cowher says Mallett is special on Thursday nights broadcast. I keep trying to say Rodgers went 6-10.
And he was named the starter before OTA's and worked with the team for months. We haven't had that here because of how inconsistent O'brien has been. I know you all keep saying he's been in the league 5 years ...in that time he's played 5 games, 4 of which has been under this weird system.
I'm not really wanting to plead his case anymore and it will be sad if he goes somewhere else and is a great QB. I just think we need to make a decision on how to fix this moving forward. And i'm slowly coming around to the draft pick Idea. With the likes of Goff and Cook. Not thrilled with Hackenberg and that's the one that scares me. But thats also because i don't trust the coach to make the right decision.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
You are actually trying to compare him to Aaron Rogers now? Lol!
Rogers looked great that season. His team sucked. Rogers wasn't playing poorly. Did you even bother to look at his numbers or watch him that season? YOu just look at some record the team had, and act like it was a valid comparison to the travesty on the field that is Ryan Mallet's accuracy?
The most ridiculous thing that these Mallet truthers keep spewing is this idea that Mallet is a rookie. What is with that crap? Dude has been in the league like 5 years now. He isn't a rookie for god sakes. You don't get this 3 year "waiting for the rookie" to develop when you're an NFL veteran. My god, I've never seen so many fans on a team board give out rookie status like this to guys all because they weren't good enough to start anywhere else in their careers.
Anyone notice how no one wanted Mallet in the NFL draft? His big arm talent and all? He sunk to the 3rd round where Bellicheck stashed him. There was a huge reason why teams passed on him due to character issues and that poor accuracy you're seeing every game. Anyone still notice that teams didn't line up to trade for him last season or any other season? Anyone notice when he was a free agent that no one really went after him other than the Jets who offered him almost the same as us and they were just in a sweepstakes for him and Fitzpatrick which made their QB situation as dim as ours was? Did you guys even notice that OB and Rick Smith both didn't give a damn about losing Mallet in the off season and waited for a long while before they even pulled the trigger to resign him?
Funny how none of the Mallet truthers pay any attention to that and keep dreaming that he is some sort of rookie that is about to break out after we baby him for two seasons.
Texan_fan_13
Needed: OL now that we have a QB worth it
Lol I was talking about Rodger first season coming in after Brett farve.
Mallett fell in draft because He got a dui and had weed issues. You should educate yourself before coming here blustering about. I've posted numerous links to what people thought at the time about him.
Also people did want him and he came here and stayed here because of our coach.
You can rewrite this any way you choose but I've backed my portions up with articles videos, a sugar bowl appearance...
But my position is let him play. if he's great we have a qb. If he sucks we draft a qb. But having Hoyer finish 7-9 gets us no qb
