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Christian Hackenberg

bah007 said:
I'm absolutely for kids being able to transfer after a coaching change. But there are still problems with that. Any time a school, especially a high profile one, changed regimes all their top players would basically be free agents available to the highest bidder.



This would be a step in the right direction. But a new organization would have to be created for such a thing. No way the NCAA could be trusted. They are already probably the sketchiest part of college athletics. And they would definitely want to be the decision makers in such cases.
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Dismantling the NCAA and the pretense of STUDENT athletes is well past time it should have been done. Just make them a Minor League Associate of the Universities to reflect their current status. Then the ball players wouldn't have to pretend to take their classes seriously.
 
Marshall said:
Dismantling the NCAA and the pretense of STUDENT athletes is well past time it should have been done. Just make them a Minor League Associate of the Universities to reflect their current status. Then the ball players wouldn't have to pretend to take their classes seriously.
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The vast majority do take their classes seriously. Are you suggesting alienating them?
 
Mollywhopper said:
The vast majority do take their classes seriously. Are you suggesting alienating them?
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You forgot the sarcasm indicators. I KNOW you can't be serious. The real student athletes are a rare breed. Nowhere close to a majority. In fact, they barely register. Now if you include the minor sports, the situation changes. But Football and basketball? No way.
 
Marshall said:
You forgot the sarcasm indicators. I KNOW you can't be serious. The real student athletes are a rare breed. Nowhere close to a majority. In fact, they barely register. Now if you include the minor sports, the situation changes. But Football and basketball? No way.
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You're wrong. Only a minority go pro. Only a percentage of them screw off their academics.

You're running with overdone tropes.
 
Marshall said:
You forgot the sarcasm indicators. I KNOW you can't be serious. The real student athletes are a rare breed. Nowhere close to a majority. In fact, they barely register. Now if you include the minor sports, the situation changes. But Football and basketball? No way.
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And your source of knowledge for this is?
 
Mollywhopper said:
You're wrong. Only a minority go pro. Only a percentage of them screw off their academics.

You're running with overdone tropes.
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I wonder how I missed all those athletes who took their classes seriously enough to even show up after the initial roll call. I remember many classes with athletes and none showed up after the first day. Perhaps my experience is unique. But others I have spoken with shared the same experience. And this wasn't just the stars, it was the boiler plate athletes that should have taken the opportunity to learn something outside of football.

Honestly, just pay the kids and give each player a full scholarship for use after his/her college sports career is over so they can focus on the academics and not merely twisting arms to avoid ineligibility.
 
Marshall said:
I wonder how I missed all those athletes who took their classes seriously enough to even show up after the initial roll call. I remember many classes with athletes and none showed up after the first day. Perhaps my experience is unique.
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In the what 70's?

I tutors football players at Cal. Sure most of them had been admitted higher than they should, but most cared. Not straight A cared but get an education cared.
 
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infantrycak said:
In the what 70's?

I tutors football players at Cal. Sure most of them had been admitted higher than they should, but most cared. Not straight A cared but get an education cared.
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Yes. Apparently the experience continued into the 2000s according to my kids.
 
Marshall said:
Yes. Apparently the experience continued into the 2000s according to my kids.
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They trailing them around, have friends on the team?

Do athletes get help, absolutely. Doesn't mean they don't care. Some, sure. But your assertion is overblown.
 
What does this have to do with Hackenberg.

After the Rutgers game I'm begining to worry that Hack may be broken beyond repair. Of course I'm just looking at the boxscore.
 
infantrycak said:
They trailing them around, have friends on the team?

Do athletes get help, absolutely. Doesn't mean they don't care. Some, sure. But your assertion is overblown.
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We obviously are working off differing experiences. I've seen athletes pampered from high school onward and any academic who dared require ANYTHING of the pampered had their careers ruined. But if you haven't had the same experience, then buy all means tell me I haven't or tell me I'm off base. I'd love to know there was a pocket of integrity somewhere.
 
Marshall said:
We obviously are working off differing experiences. I've seen athletes pampered from high school onward and any academic who dared require ANYTHING of the pampered had their careers ruined. But if you haven't had the same experience, then buy all means tell me I haven't or tell me I'm off base. I'd love to know there was a pocket of integrity somewhere.
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Nobody is expecting them to turn into erudite scholars. Look how that turned out for you. Most try to get by. Key word try. They know they are in colleges they don't deserve. You dishonor good kids.
 
Blake said:
I disagree. Would his current course be these past 2 games? 9 months ago this kid was busy winning a thriller in New York by going 24/50, 371 yards, 4 TDs to zero INTS and becoming the bowl MVP. He also has had a changing of the guard on the coaching staff.

Bottom line is we need a franchise QB. And if this guy has the tools to be that then we need to pull the trigger. The NFL is a league of have and have nots. And unless Mallett proves that he is the guy then we will continue being in the have nots for the 13 consecutive year.
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Agreed. Where is he going to go in the draft and where will we pick in round one is the question? I could say that UCLA quarterback Jared Goff looks amazing the past three games. They have played Grambling State, San Diego State and Texas. Not exactly the best competition out there. Texas is as bad as I've seen in years. They barely beat Rice by a couple TDs.
 
Assuming the Mallett thing doesn't work out, and we're a stretch from figuring that out, I'm not in favor of grabbing this kid with both Cook and Goff still on the board.

I'm not sure I'm in favor of Hack with Kessler still on the board.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Assuming the Mallett thing doesn't work out, and we're a stretch from figuring that out, I'm not in favor of grabbing this kid with both Cook and Goff still on the board.

I'm not sure I'm in favor of Hack with Kessler still on the board.
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He may be able to run O'Brien's system better than everybody you mentioned.
 
I think people get to caught up with the history OB had with Hackenberg. Yes, OB coached him & had some success... but would he do it all over again if he had the chance?

Savage applied to Penn State, OB turned him away. Was drafting Savage his way of righting a bad decision?

Had Jeff Goff been available to him, would OB still go with Hack?


Then again, he seems to value relationships with QBs he's coached in the past; George Godsey being the primary example.
 
Mollywhopper said:
When did that become clear?
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How long will it take for you to decide that? How many more losses? I just want to win. I could care less who the quarterback is. We won our last two games in a row with Case Keenum at quarterback. We haven't won since...

I don't want to waste an entire 2015 season just to find out.
But I guess that's the situation we're in. Tanking for a draft pick.
The fact we're even being discussed as a top five pick is a shame.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think people get to caught up with the history OB had with Hackenberg. Yes, OB coached him & had some success... but would he do it all over again if he had the chance?

Savage applied to Penn State, OB turned him away. Was drafting Savage his way of righting a bad decision?

Had Jeff Goff been available to him, would OB still go with Hack?


Then again, he seems to value relationships with QBs he's coached in the past; George Godsey being the primary example.
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This is exactly it. OB and Hackenberg aren't mind-melded. They worked together for one season. There's no good reason to believe these other very talented prospects coulnd't run the offense better than Hack.

I think people just beat the drum of this tired idea looking for some kind of football symmetry story or something.
 
Mollywhopper said:
This is exactly it. OB and Hackenberg aren't mind-melded. They worked together for one season. There's no good reason to believe these other very talented prospects coulnd't run the offense better than Hack.

I think people just beat the drum of this tired idea looking for some kind of football symmetry story or something.
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Hackenberg and O'Brien build a special bond. O'Brien refers to him like a son. I can't wait to see your reaction when the Texans draft him in the 2016 draft.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
How long will it take for you to decide that? How many more losses? I just want to win. I could care less who the quarterback is. We won our last two games in a row with Case Keenum at quarterback. We haven't won since...

I don't want to waste an entire 2015 season just to find out.
But I guess that's the situation we're in. Tanking for a draft pick.
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You brought up the draft, here in this thread. Even if Mallett isn't the answer we'd still have to trudge through this year before the draft, because ya know, that's how the draft works.

But you still didn't answer how it's clear about Mallett already.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Hackenberg and O'Brien build a special bond. O'Brien refers to him like a son. I can't wait to see your reaction when the Texans draft him in the 2016 draft.
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I don't care if OB buys him a Thomas Train for Christmas, I still think there are better prospects as of right now.

And if OB wants to take Hack in the same vein he had such faith in Hoyer working out it won't just be me who's bummed with the outcome.
 
I just don't want to lose a lot of games this season just to prove a point.
But unfortunately, at 0-2 already, there's only 14 games left to play.
If we lose to Tampa Bay on Sunday I think I'll focus more on the draft.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Hackenberg and O'Brien build a special bond. O'Brien refers to him like a son. I can't wait to see your reaction when the Texans draft him in the 2016 draft.
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Remember when we drafted Mario Williams, how the majority reacted? If we draft him with anything higher than a 5th round pick, that's how I'll react.
 
I was fully on board the Hackenberg hype train 2 years ago but if we drafted him #5 over Goff I would be pretty upset. I don't care what kind of relationship OB has with him. You draft the best players not your best friends. That's the kind of mentality that had us swapping out Fitz for Hoyer and that's looking pretty idiotic right about now.
 
WolverineFan said:
I was fully on board the Hackenberg hype train 2 years ago but if we drafted him #5 over Goff I would be pretty upset. I don't care what kind of relationship OB has with him. You draft the best players not your best friends. That's the kind of mentality that had us swapping out Fitz for Hoyer and that's looking pretty idiotic right about now.
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What changed in the past few years? He's still the same guy.
Penn State has had a shitty coaching staff since O'Brien left.
He's been playing in a system he's not comfortable in. Fair enough.
If he's capable of playing in O'Brien's system as good as anybody I'm all for it.
Not all of those talented quarterbacks will be able to play well in our system.

Brian Hoyer was never the prospect that Hackenberg was. He went undrafted out of Michigan State. As bad as Hackenberg has struggled with the new coaching staff most NFL scouts agree he'll still be a first or second-round pick in the 2016 draft. Big difference to me. O'Brien briefly coached Hoyer with the Patriots but he rarely played. Tom Brady was their starting quarterback. I don't think we can compare his relationship with Hoyer to that of Hackenberg. He made a mistake naming him the starting quarterback this season. Hoyer just isn't good. But as a free agent it didn't hurt to sign him. He knew the system. He just sucks is all.

Some mocks have him going as high as 5 to the Texans because we flat out suck right now at 0-2. I still think if we end up at 5-11, 6-10 or 8-8, whatever the case, he's still a possibility for us in the 10 to 19 pick range. That's a more likely scenario for us. If I had to guess I think we'll end up 6-10 or 7-9.

I don't have it in my heart to cheer for Texans losses anymore, tanking for the first overall pick, like I did in 2005 and 2013. You play to win the damn game!!!!! And none of those first overall picks made us any better record wise. So lesson learned for sure. I want to win as many games as we can no matter what. That year we won some games late in the season for pride, 2010 I think it was, ended up landing us J.J. Watt. Had we picked higher we may not have drafted him.

So I'm not about tanking for Jared Goff. A guy who may not even be all that great in Bill O'Brien's system. When we can land a guy, who's very familiar with his system and once thrived in it (albeit in college), later on in the draft.

You just never know really. The NFL Draft is a crap shoot.
But I learned that playing to win is always the best mentality.
 
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I will no longer be updating Hackensack on a weekly basis. After such a poor performance against Army I've decided it would be a waste of my time. Someone else can take the lead on Christian.
 
Texian said:
I will no longer be updating Hackensack on a weekly basis. After such a poor performance against Army I've decided it would be a waste of my time. Someone else can take the lead on Christian.
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Start scouting junior quarterback Greg Ward Jr. from the 4-0 Houston Cougars. We may have the next Russell Wilson on our hands. Not as polished of a pocket passer if there was one critique to his game in relation to Russell Wilson while at Wisconsin (he was a third-round pick after all). But his legs are as good and the kid is similar size.

All he does is make big plays when they're needed. I'd gamble on the kid in the sixth round if nothing else. He reminds me of Russell Wilson because of his small size, quickness and ability to expand plays with his legs. He just seems to be a good team leader that makes the big plays when he has to make them.

Besides the amazing rushing numbers his passing stats are very efficient as well. Although if you watch him closely like I do you know he can improve his pocket passing. His good passing stats don't paint the entire story. There's room for improvement but the kid is talented. But in terms of the next Russell Wilson he's as close as you're going to find in college football right now.
 
Texian said:
I will no longer be updating Hackensack on a weekly basis. After such a poor performance against Army I've decided it would be a waste of my time. Someone else can take the lead on Christian.
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Cmon Texian he was alright yesterday. Didn't turn the ball over. Granted it was vs Army, but PSU has no playmakers. Only 141 on the ground as well. Let's face the truth, NCAA sanctions finally caught up with PSU. Hack is suffering b/c of it
 
Very first pass terrible, to much air (trajectory) grossly under thrown
2nd pass thrown 5' over WR's head.
3rd pass out sideline WR open poor accuracy pass not catchable.

2nd series, sack on CH, indecisive, held ball to long.

3rd series Hack is terribly inaccurate, fumbles, ....I think I'm done here...seen enough.
 
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Texian said:
Very first pass terrible, to much air (trajectory) grossly under thrown
2nd pass thrown 5' over WR's head.
3rd pass out sideline WR open poor accuracy pass not catchable.

2nd series, sack on CH, indecisive, held ball to long.

3rd series Hack is terribly inaccurate, fumbles, ....I think I'm done here...seen enough.
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Yep. If you watched him as a freshman he would move around the pocket and keep his eyes downfield and make good throws in the intermediate area. Now he gets past his first read and just watches the rush and tries to avoid a kill shot. It's a shame what's happened with him considering how physically talented he is. QB is more mental than it is physical though and he's either mentally limited or mentally broken. Doesn't really matter which at this point.
 
My concern is his paralysis in the face of a college pass rush and coverage. NFL speed may spin his head clear off.

He's reacted poorly to the pressure on him, which may not even be all on him. James Franklin isn't looking good here either. But that pressure he's reacting too isn't going to subside at the next level, obviously. I don't want to call a kid shot, but I also don't want to spend a pick, in the first couple days at least, to find out.
 
Looks like a stiff whose shell shocked out there....uncomfortable..probably b/c he doesn't trust his pass pro...& he's right to feel that way too. He also stares his guys down ALOT. If we pick this kid up I don't want to see him until 3rd round...& then he's got to sit and decompress for a couple of years.
 
I don't know how you come out to start the Maryland game throwing it like that. Hack looks lackadaisical to me too often. I don't feel like he takes pride in his work. He can make some big throws, but he can't hit a bubble screen or a hitch. He's not an accurate passer to me. Shame.
 
Hackenberg was not very good against Northwestern today. Threw 0 TD's and 1 INT. Was his first pick in 6 games and broke a 6 game stretch where he threw 12 TD's to 0 INT's.
 
Just thought of this... makes sense in a lot of ways to me... who in the NFL does Hackenberg remind you of???
 
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