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Report: Brian Hoyer to be named Texans starting QB
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OR maybe we'll get Brady after a career threatening surgery.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
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What he said.
Weird. Looks to me like the team responds more to Mallett. Hoyer strikes me once again as Fitz 2.0 - someone trying to fake leadership really well but it's not natural to him.
Stretching looking at a couple clips from HK as characteristic especially those. Godsey did call the sneak and OB started the joking around about Brady, that was no excuse.
Nobody is hanging their hat on that but it's not just preseason. Hoyer was a 55% guy last season. That's horrid unless you go back to the 70s.
It's not smaller, it's miniscule especially if you take out the injured game which anyone attempting a fair comparison would do. But that wouldn't be good either because it's just too small.
Who said anything about every year? But we can play that game - name the SB champs who played it safe every year to get there.
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Hervoyel
BUENO!
Nice one! I can totally see that happening. In fact I see two really ugly scenarios coming out of New England. The first was hinted at by sandman with the "trade for Garrapolo" comment. Texans give Hoodie two 2's (just like Kubiak did for Schaub) for Polo and he turns out to be crap on a stick or at best Matt Schaub level. Takes about 6 years to happen though.
The second is your suggestion. McNair, mindful of how he could have had Manning and Kubiak together sees Gary & Peyton win a Super Bowl in Denver this year and when a broken, aged Brady comes available he orders Rick Smith to make it happen. Success does not follow.
So creepy possible it's hard to see it not happening.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Remember this post in two years...
When reports surfaced during the 2014 season that O'Brien would bring in Hoyer as his starter in 2015, I scoffed. Had these people seen Hoyer play? O'Brien certainly had. He wouldn't be so foolish.
Then during the free agency period, the rumors intensified regarding Hoyer to the Texans. "Why?", I thought. What would Hoyer bring other than familiarity to the offense? Fitz had better career numbers and had started more NFL games in an O'Brien offense. I dismissed it as Hoyer's agent talking up the Texans to get his client a better deal.
When the Texans did sign Hoyer (and Mallett), I winced. But, it had to be insurance in case Mallett's injury was worse than expected. Right? When there were reports out of OTAs that Hoyer had already won the job, I laughed. No way would O'Brien tie this season to this guy. Simply motivation for Mallett.
I was wrong. And whoever had the story about O'Brien coveting Hoyer 9-10 months ago was right. Hoyer was always O'Brien's guy. O'Brien was always going to make Hoyer his starting QB once he got a head coaching gig in the NFL. Brian Hoyer is Bill O'Brien's answer to the question "Who will lead the Houston Texans to the playoffs?". Brian Hoyer is straight off Bill O'Brien's grocery list and Brian Hoyer's performance is how Bill O'Brien should be judged as the Houston Texans head coach.
Then during the free agency period, the rumors intensified regarding Hoyer to the Texans. "Why?", I thought. What would Hoyer bring other than familiarity to the offense? Fitz had better career numbers and had started more NFL games in an O'Brien offense. I dismissed it as Hoyer's agent talking up the Texans to get his client a better deal.
When the Texans did sign Hoyer (and Mallett), I winced. But, it had to be insurance in case Mallett's injury was worse than expected. Right? When there were reports out of OTAs that Hoyer had already won the job, I laughed. No way would O'Brien tie this season to this guy. Simply motivation for Mallett.
I was wrong. And whoever had the story about O'Brien coveting Hoyer 9-10 months ago was right. Hoyer was always O'Brien's guy. O'Brien was always going to make Hoyer his starting QB once he got a head coaching gig in the NFL. Brian Hoyer is Bill O'Brien's answer to the question "Who will lead the Houston Texans to the playoffs?". Brian Hoyer is straight off Bill O'Brien's grocery list and Brian Hoyer's performance is how Bill O'Brien should be judged as the Houston Texans head coach.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Yep.
Bill OB has passed up quite a few options to land on Brian Hoyer.
Whether he wants to be tied to him or not, this is his guy.
I would love pre-lisfranc Schaub. People really don't appreciate how good that QB was. After Moon, has there been a better 3-4 year QB play in Houston history?
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Maybe Blanda but what he was asked to do in that era doesn't really compare well statistically.
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
Mallet was a 54.7% passer last year.
Kinda my point -- I'm not sure what anyone saw in such a small sample size to cause them to rally behind Mallet.
I think the riskiest thing the Patriots did last year was add the best CB in football in FA. Not exactly a risky move. It was a lot riskier to let Revis walk this year IMO-- we'll see if that works out. It's a lot safer to run it on the goal line than it is to pass. as Pete Carrol learned last year. Ya think Seattle fans wish Carrol had played the safe odds last year?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Again with including a game with an injury that required surgery. He was 66.67% in his only healthy game.
It's not just the one game. It's known vs. unknown, 3 times rejected vs. never started. It's 1st round talent which went in the 3rd for what is now a non-issue vs. undrafted talent.
Please. Changing out the entire secondary last year and this. Taking character risk players. Letting Logan Mankins, Julius Peppers, (arguably Wilfork) etc. go. Again, name the SB champs who played it safe every year to get there. And we aren't talking about every little decision like goal line attempts. We're talking picking QBs, the most important player on the field.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Hoyer - 19 career starts, 56% completion rate
Mallett - 2 career starts, 54% completion rate
One of these stats is a trend. One of these stats is inconclusive.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
- Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL 4m4 minutes ago
Ryan Mallett: 'Disappointed yeah? Angry yeah?'
- Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL 4m4 minutes ago
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL 5m5 minutes ago
Ryan Mallett: 'I thought I had a pretty good camp. I thought I was consistent. I wanted this job more than anything.'
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL 5m5 minutes ago- Ryan Mallett: 'I would have attacked it the same way.'
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL 6m6 minutes ago - Ryan Mallett: 'Obviously, I'm disappointed. I don't agree with it. I'll do what I have to do to better the team.'
Won't these comments get him into trouble? lol
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
John McClain @McClain_on_NFL 13m13 minutes ago
Mallett "I wanted this job more than anything but it is what it is."
- Aaron Wilson retweeted
John McClain @McClain_on_NFL 9m9 minutes ago
Ryan Mallett just impressed the heck out of me. He didn't give any clichés about losing to Hoyer. Said exactly how he feels -- disappointed!
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Brian Hoyer gives us a better chance to win.
I'm excited he won the job. Good call, Bill O'Brien.
I'm excited he won the job. Good call, Bill O'Brien.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli 15m15 minutes ago
Visibly upset Ryan Mallett at the podium today. Can't blame him. Said he thought he did enough to win the job. #Texans
[URL='https://twitter.com/taniaganguli']Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli 18m18 minutes ago
Mallett is asked if he feels better after sleeping on it. "No, obviously not. I wanted this job more than anything."#Texans
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Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli 20m20 minutes ago
Ryan Mallett is asked if he felt like he got a fair shake in the competition. "It is what it is," he says. #Texans
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
That was a big fat NO.
Except this year we don't have Arian.
We'll see how this turns out, but it seems like deja vu.
eriadoc
Texan-American
So I'm a little late catching up on the thread, but up to the point you posted that, I don't see that assertion at all. Seems like you're propping up a straw man to knock down. Who is saying Mallett is a very good QB? Serious question. Respond with quotes.
Where I am annoyed, and I speak only for myself, is it seems like OB put Mallett in a position to highlight certain traits he wanted to have worked on, then when Mallett did those things competently, he comes up with the BS that Hoyer performed better in practice (but not public practice, as infantrycak has observed), and says we need to throw the ball deep. Well, you're the coach, OB. Call something that isn't a 3 step drop and see if he can throw it deep, hmmm? It's just all BS.
I don't actually think either one of them is the answer, but there's a tiny bit of uncertainty with Mallett, since he's never been given a real opportunity. So in the absence of a true starter, and given that their performance has been roughly equal, I say give the chance to the guy that might have a higher upside. I'm pretty sure none of that translates to thinking that Mallett is a very good QB.
First Andre Johnson and his reduced role, and now Mallett and his "fair competition". It would seem O'Brien has his own way of dealing with the players. We will have to see how that plays out.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Some people think that because we express our opinion that Hoyer is a steaming pile of mediocrity, that we think Mallett is the next Brady. Those people need to quit comparing him to Mallett and put him up against a real starting NFL QB and see how he measures up.
Really? Look through all the threads on Mallett the past few months. Many think he is the Texans answer at quarterback, and it isn't because they think he is bad. Even the opinions that start with, "I know it was only one game, but..." what follows the but is usually a projection of a very good quarterback. The introductory phrase is just a hedging of bets.
Also note I didn't say "franchise quarterback". I chose "very good" so I wouldn't overstate people's opinions of Mallett. I don't think it was a straw man at all, especially given the reaction to Hoyer being named the starter.
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eriadoc
Texan-American
Maybe I interpret things differently than you by not assuming what they mean. Clearly, we have a failure to communicate. I anticipated that, which is why I asked you to respond with quotes. It's not that I want you to call anyone out; rather, I'd like to know what you're interpreting as a "very good QB" argument.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
It's not like he's out for the season. We have a reasonable schedule the first eight games. We can go 5-3 just by playing mistake-free football and allowing our defense to carry us. And then Arian Foster will return in the second half as we make a wild-card push. The only thing this Arian Foster injury does is hurt our chances to overtake the Colts in the AFC South but we'll see. Crazier things have happened.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
In retrospect it seems like Mallett and Savage never had a chance.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
I don't think so. I know it.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You're still over-reading it. It's not that he IS a very good QB or IS the answer at QB, it's that he MAY BE.
QuiGonGinNTonic
Waterboy
the both played terrible against the broncos first team defense. im not really understanding why hoyer was chosen now i wish the OB waited til the 3rd preseason game is over so they both have a chance to make a comeback vs 1st team defenses. i can understand why mallet is angry imo camp sounded like both QB where having troubles..
QuiGonGinNTonic
Waterboy
i have a feeling Hoyer's first game of the reg season against the 1st team defense is not going to go to plan... especially without Arian foster after the broncos game...
What's a "backspring"?
I think there are people on this board who believe Mallett is very good at this very moment. There are people on this board that think Savage is very good. No one else has noticed this?
So your "interpret" is better than my "assume".......?
I just looked back at the Ryan Mallett (Houston we have a Monster)* thread. I may have misinterpreted "monster" meaning very good, not probably-adequate-but-give-the-guy-a-shot. I also assumed that those tossing around contract values for Mallett in the tens of millions of dollars also considered him a very good quarterback.
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However, I did not intend to build a straw man to knock down. I made the post based on my belief that there are some people that think Mallett is very good. I guess there is no one here that will admit that now though.
*Interestingly enough, there is a Tin Cup reference in that thread too.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Who do you want to date? The girl you know is totally cray-cray, or the one who might be?
I know there are a few posters around here who think that we have three good QB's to pick from and we can be successful right now with any of them. These people are idiots.
I think there are people on this board who believe Mallett is very good at this very moment. There are people on this board that think Savage is very good. No one else has noticed this?
So your "interpret" is better than my "assume".......?
I just looked back at the Ryan Mallett (Houston we have a Monster) thread. I may have misinterpreted "monster" meaning very good, not probably-adequate-but-give-the-guy-a-shot. I also assumed that those tossing around contract values for Mallett in the tens of millions of dollars also considered him a very good quarterback.
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However, I did not intend to build a straw man to knock down. I made the post based on my belief that there are some people that think Mallett is very good. I guess there is no one here that will admit that now though.
I know there are a few posters around here who think that we have three good QB's to pick from and we can be successful right now with any of them. These people are idiots.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
A pattern of this kind of thing does sometimes come back to bite a coach/staff/team in the ass. The only thing that makes it palatable is winning. If he muddles around .500 (a game or so up, a game or so down) for a couple of years he's going to be shown the door because people will start thinking about junk like this and deciding he's an asshole who doesn't win. They'll extrapolate from that (correctly or not) that players won't want to come here and play for him the first time we don't get a FA we really want regardless of why the guy actually went somewhere else.
It can snowball on him pretty fast. He does have McNair though and as long as McNair believes in him he could crap in somebody's mouth and McNair would buy whatever explanation he gave him. Bob thought Cushing was legitimately overtraining. Bob's too good to entertain thoughts of signing Ray Rice but he sees what he wants to see and acts accordingly.
This season can go in a lot of ways. We win and Hoyer doesn't look incompetent doing it and I can (and will) get behind him. We lose and Hoyer looks like crap and I can rant and rave about getting Mallet in there. I feel like we're still going to get to see Mallet at some point this year and that's not a good feeling but so be it. The only way he's ever going to be the unquestioned starter on this team is if he gets on the field, succeeds, and stays on it. All he has to do is go out and do it. Win and all is right with the world. Winning solves everything (almost).
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I think he's a good QB. I don't know if he's a very good QB but I had hoped to find out definitively whether that is the case. I think Hoyer is a good QB too. I just don't think at this point that he's made a case for being a very good QB. Of course he had the Cleveland stink on him and nobody looks particularly good there.... ever. I was wondering about it this morning actually. Now, I'm not going into veterans who have cycled through there (but had success in other places prior) but has anyone really come out of Cleveland and done well somewhere else? I mean any player who was either drafted by them or signed by them and then spent enough time to get associated with Cleveland. I'm sure there's someone but I can't think of a name. Thomas maybe? Their LT? Anyone else?
Something tells me that once you go into Cleveland you come out with Browns on you tainting your prospects going forward. It's like a fungus.
I think there is little doubt Mallett will get meaningful playing time this year. Hoyer might stink it up; he might get injured. Frankly I'm surprised any quarterback makes it through a season without missing games in the modern NFL. They are protected, but they are vulnerable even with legal hits being made by some great athletes.
If neither of those occur - Hoyer stays healthy and plays well - then I guess the quarterback guru knew what he was doing all along.
What is this fungus called? The brown taint?
Hervoyel
BUENO!
As long as we're winning then it's "Wubalubadubdub!" and away we go.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You had me until this. Fitz started off 3-1 last year and the debate was in full on mode pretty much from the git.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
My definition of "succeed" is he wins playoff "games". Real success. I should have been clearer.
"stays on it" means doesn't get hurt and miss time. That's important too.
corytx8
Rookie
this is full of win lol
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Hoyer with the Browns, in the face of pressure, planting his feet firmly before letting the ball fly.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Is there a way we can sticky this for future reference?
I remember similar comments when I predicted ten years to return to competing for a playoff when Wade was hired as GM of the Astros (2006). I am a year off, since we seem to be bypassing the competitive with the league (.500) year and getting to the playoff contender a year early.
It really isn't rocket science. But it does require some luck (not Andrew) to go with the skill.
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paycheck71
Hall of Fame
People forget that risky moves involve, wait for it, RISK and have a high probability of failure.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
In 7 seasons, Hoyer has won 0 playoff games. In fact, he has played in 0 playoff games
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
That's pretty much the same progression of feelings I've had on this subject. Great post.