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AFC South 2015 draft additions

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Titans -- Marcus Mariota, QB

Jaguars -- Dante Fowler, OLB

Colts -- Phillip Dorsett, WR

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Titans, for me, I would've taken the trade if it was as reported. They needed players. Question for me is can Whisenhut successfully groom Mariota within his skill set?

Jaguars, I loved Fowler's film and think he'll be great for them.

Colts, I'm super psyched they passed on Malcom Brown. Wish we could've traded up to get him. Dorsett, I don't think moves their offensive needle much. I think Grigson is earning his way out as GM.
 
The only way the Colts pick makes any sense is if they believe TY won't be re-signing with them.
 
Mariota has a chance but if I had him I'd like to have an old timer with experience on the roster to keep close to him and show him the ropes. The Titans also aren't really built well for him right now and I think they could turn him into an Alex Smith type guy, who is talented but way too cautious and it will limit him. That's good for us. They should have traded out or taken Leonard Williams.

Fowler fits Jacksonville's scheme perfectly. They hit a home run.

Dorsett to Indy does nothing for me. I think the guy is way overrated. Malcom Brown would have been great for them. Dorsett doesn't make them any scarier next year or in the future.
 
I don't think Mariota is gonna be what the Titans think. Not worried about Mariota and the Titans.

The Colts beat the Texans regulary, with or without a guy like Dorsett. So who cares who they picked? And he is not going to be getting many balls thrown his way anyway. Too many WR's, not enough balls.

Fowler to Jags is a great pick. If the Jags ever get the offense going that team could be really good. They are quietly putting together a pretty good defense.
 
bah007 said:
Mariota has a chance but if I had him I'd like to have an old timer with experience on the roster to keep close to him and show him the ropes. The Titans also aren't really built well for him right now and I think they could turn him into an Alex Smith type guy, who is talented but way too cautious and it will limit him. That's good for us. They should have traded out or taken Leonard Williams.

Fowler fits Jacksonville's scheme perfectly. They hit a home run.

Dorsett to Indy does nothing for me. I think the guy is way overrated. Malcom Brown would have been great for them. Dorsett doesn't make them any scarier next year or in the future.
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Do the Titans still have Hasslebeck? oh nvrmnd, he's with the Colts now
 
JB said:
Do the Titans still have Hasslebeck? oh nvrmnd, he's with the Colts now
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That's exactly the kind of guy that I had in mind though. He would have been terrific with Mariota. Instead they have Mettenberger and Charlie Whitehurst.

Mariota will be on his own.
 
bah007 said:
That's exactly the kind of guy that I had in mind though. He would have been terrific with Mariota. Instead they have Mettenberger and Charlie Whitehurst.

Mariota will be on his own.
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yeah would have made a lot of sense for them IF they had a mentor for him, as it is I think he's gonna struggle more than Bortles did and will take a few years to get up to speed
 
JB said:
yeah would have made a lot of sense for them IF they had a mentor for him, as it is I think he's gonna struggle more than Bortles did and will take a few years to get up to speed
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Plus, from what I've heard they want to throw him out there immediately, which I think is a mistake.

Pretty much every rookie QB should sit a full year, IMO. Unless you're coming out of school as pro ready as Andrew Luck, which happens pretty much never except when the Colts have the #1 pick.
 
Mariota was the right pick for the franchise. I don't know if he is a great fit for the head coach. But, head coaches like Whisenhunt are a dime a dozen. It's up to Whisenhunt to figure it out, or bring someone in who can. The Titans needed a star, and they found one.

I like Fowler. He was a very good college player and could be an even better pro. But, I don't think he was the best player on the board. I don't like passing on better talent at the top of the draft due to "scheme fit". Bradley could flame out in a year or 2, and the next coach could have a scheme better suited to Leonard Williams. Again, I think you take the best player and let the coach figure it out.

I have no idea what the Colts are doing. All I know is they keep beating the Texans. I think they reached for Dorsett, and may have done the Texans a huge favor by taking him off the board. I'd feel better about the Colts bizarre moves if the Texans weren't making some of their own.
 
Pretty crazy in the last 4 drafts our divisional opponents have:

#1 overall pick Andrew Luck - Colts
#2 overall pick Marcus Mariota - Titans
#3 overall pick Blake Bortles - Jaguars
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Pretty crazy in the last 4 drafts our divisional opponents have:

#1 overall pick Jadaveon Clowney-Texans :texflag:
#1 overall pick Andrew Luck - Colts
#2 overall pick Marcus Mariota - Titans
#3 overall pick Blake Bortles - Jaguars
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Vance87 said:
The only way the Colts pick makes any sense is if they believe TY won't be re-signing with them.
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I didn't realize Hilton would be a F/A next year. So will Fleener and LT Castonzo. Cap issues on the horizon?
 
ObsiWan said:
I didn't realize Hilton would be a F/A next year. So will Fleener and LT Castonzo. Cap issues on the horizon?
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That's what I've been saying when Texian has brought up their large cap space next year (which is now less than the Texans' by the way). Their FA list is huge and ours is low, headlined by Brandon Brooks.
 
bah007 said:
Mariota has a chance but if I had him I'd like to have an old timer with experience on the roster to keep close to him and show him the ropes. The Titans also aren't really built well for him right now and I think they could turn him into an Alex Smith type guy, who is talented but way too cautious and it will limit him. That's good for us. They should have traded out or taken Leonard Williams.

Fowler fits Jacksonville's scheme perfectly. They hit a home run.

Dorsett to Indy does nothing for me. I think the guy is way overrated. Malcom Brown would have been great for them. Dorsett doesn't make them any scarier next year or in the future.
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I'm a Dorsett fan and I wouldn't have taken him in the 1st rd.
 
infantrycak said:
That's what I've been saying when Texian has brought up their large cap space next year (which is now less than the Texans' by the way). Their FA list is huge and ours is low, headlined by Brandon Brooks.
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It appears that Grigson has made the decision to let Hilton walk.

Same with Smith and JoJo.

Grigson is under pressure to win a SB. Smith not so much, it is very interesting in seeing how things are going to work out.

I understand the Johnson pick. (Every so often the Texans gotta spend a 1st rd pick on a Johnson)

McKinney is all potential, hopefully Vrabel can teach him the tricks of the trade.

Strong is not my favoritr WR, but represents good value in the 3rd. Will they draft a WR that can take the top off of a defense?
 
steelbtexan said:
It appears that Grigson has made the decision to let Hilton walk.
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I'll believe that when I see it.

I think they are making a gigantic 2 year window push to put every tool at Luck's disposal possible and at that point burn the house down with the belief that with Luck sucking will only be sinking to 8-8 for a season.
 
infantrycak said:
I'll believe that when I see it.

I think they are making a gigantic 2 year window push to put every tool at Luck's disposal possible and at that point burn the house down with the belief that with Luck sucking will only be sinking to 8-8 for a season.
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I think they are doing this and preparing for the future.

Smart way of doing business. Dorsett is AJ falling off of a clip insurance.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Pretty crazy in the last 4 drafts our divisional opponents have:

#1 overall pick Andrew Luck - Colts
#2 overall pick Marcus Mariota - Titans
#3 overall pick Blake Bortles - Jaguars
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The Texans could have very easily made the same move last year, but either Billy didn't see a QB he really liked or he's very risk aversive or maybe it's both ?
The Jags & Titans have already busted big time on QBs in recent Drafts/years (Gabbert & Locker respectively), while the Colts are just incredibly lucky.
I was watching some tape on Mariota the other day and he is not a very accurate passer, he frequently misses wide-open receivers. He's very athletic and has the physique and all but can he consistently pass accurately, hit his targets ?
 
IDEXAN said:
The Texans could have very easily made the same move last year, but either Billy didn't see a QB he really liked or he's very risk aversive or maybe it's both ?
The Jags & Titans have already busted big time on QBs in recent Drafts/years (Gabbert & Locker respectively), while the Colts are just incredibly lucky.
I was watching some tape on Mariota the other day and he is not a very accurate passer, he frequently misses wide-open receivers. He's very athletic and has the physique and all but can he consistently pass accurately, hit his targets ?
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Yup ... a QB that high will make you or set you back 5 years .
 
Tennessee Titans
Round 1, Pick 2 (2) Marcus Mariota QB 6'4" 222 Oregon

Round 2, Pick 8 (40) (from Giants) Dorial Green-Beckham WR 6'5" 237 Missouri

Round 3, Pick 2 (66) Jeremiah Poutasi OG 6'5" 335 Utah
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Jacksonville Jaguars
Round 1, Pick 3 (3) Dante Fowler, Jr. OLB 6'3" 261 Florida

Round 2, Pick 4 (36) T.J. Yeldon RB 6'1" 226 Alabama

Round 3, Pick 3 (67) A.J. Cann OG 6'3" 313 South Carolina
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Indianapolis Colts
Round 1, Pick 29 (29) Phillip Dorsett WR 5'10" 185 Miami

Round 3, Pick 1 (65) (from Buccaneers) D'Joun Smith CB 5'10" 187 Florida Atlantic

Round 3, Pick 29 (93) Henry Anderson DE 6'6" 294 Stanford
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Do the Titans have the culture to support DGB? Maybe Mariota will do it? I like Poutasi's upside.

Really like Jaguars AJ Cann pick. Surprised he lasted that long.

Colt's Smith has good temperament, questionable decision-making. Henry Anderson some think is next Watt, others next Crick. Need pick as former 1st rounder Bjoern Werner isn't playing to his draft status.
 
HOUSTON
1) Kevin Johnson - CB, Wake Forest
2) Benardrick McKinney - ILB, Mississippi State
3) Jaelen Strong - WR, Arizona State
5) Keith Mumphrey - WR, Michigan State
6) Reshard Cliett - LB, South Florida
6) Christian Covington - DL, Rice
7) Kenny Hilliard - RB, LSU


INDIANAPOLIS
1) Phillip Dorsett - WR, Miami
3) D'Joun Smith - CB, Florida Atlantic
3) Henry Anderson - DE, Stanford
4) Clayton Geathers - SS, UCF
5) David Parry - DT, Stanford
6) Josh Robinson - RB, Mississippi State
6) Amarlo Herrera - ILB, Georgia
7) Denzell Goode - OT, Mars Hill


JACKSONVILLE
1) Dante Fowler - DE, Florida
2) T.J. Yeldon - RB, Alabama
3) A.J. Cann - OG, South Carolina
4) James Sample - SS, Louisville
5) Rashad Greene - WR, Florida State
6) Michael Bennett - DT, Ohio State
7) Neal Sterling - WR, Monmouth
7) Ben Koyack - TE, Notre Dame


TENNESSEE
1) Marcus Mariota - QB, Oregon
2) Dorial Green-Beckham - WR, Oklahoma
3) Jeremiah Poutasi - OT, Utah
4) Angelo Blackson - DL, Auburn
4) Jalston Fowler, FB, Alabama
5) David Cobb - RB, Minnesota
6) Deiontrez Mount - OLB, Louisville
6) Andy Gallik - C, Boston College
7) Tre McBride - WR, William & Mary
 
infantrycak said:
I was sticking with his stat - targets, and a largely ineffective Wayne had 116 last season.
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does targets equate with catchable ball or times thrown at?

Luck would have to have 80% accuracy and Johnson catch 100%

Just seems a high number to me, I know he can do it, but will he up there where he's not the only target?
 
JB said:
does targets equate with catchable ball or times thrown at?

Luck would have to have 80% accuracy and Johnson catch 100%

Just seems a high number to me
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Where are the stat junkies when you need 'em?

I think it's the number of times the QB throws in your direction; catchable or not. ...well, if they obviously throw it over a guy's head into the first row, that won't count.
 
JB said:
does targets equate with catchable ball or times thrown at?

Luck would have to have 80% accuracy and Johnson catch 100%

Just seems a high number to me, I know he can do it, but will he up there where he's not the only target?
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Targets is just thrown at. I wasn't projecting any number of receptions. But Marshall said targets so I stuck with his stat. I think AJ will get at least as many targets as Wayne did. Which based on AJ should project to 72 rec.
 
infantrycak said:
Targets is just thrown at. I wasn't projecting any number of receptions. But Marshall said targets so I stuck with his stat. I think AJ will get at least as many targets as Wayne did. Which based on AJ should project to 72 rec.
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ahhh I'm sorry I missed that. Yes he'll easily have over 100 targets and I expect over 80 receptions
 
infantrycak said:
Targets is just thrown at. I wasn't projecting any number of receptions. But Marshall said targets so I stuck with his stat. I think AJ will get at least as many targets as Wayne did. Which based on AJ should project to 72 rec.
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We'll see. Just watch a kid and see whether they like the new toy or the old one.
 
JB said:
ahhh I'm sorry I missed that. Yes he'll easily have over 100 targets and I expect over 80 receptions
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In 2010 and 2014 for perspective on receptions, AJ had 85/86 receptions on an average of 143 targets. That is a 60% catch rate. Since Targets started being tracked in 2006, AJ has only had two seasons (his career years in '08 and '12) where he had a catch rate significantly higher than 60%.

So give him Wayne's targets at 115 and he is going to catch ~70. icak was pretty spot on with his projection of 72.
 
sandman said:
In 2010 and 2014 for perspective on receptions, AJ had 85/86 receptions on an average of 143 targets. That is a 60% catch rate. Since Targets started being tracked in 2006, AJ has only had two seasons (his career years in '08 and '12) where he had a catch rate significantly higher than 60%.

So give him Wayne's targets at 115 and he is going to catch ~70. icak was pretty spot on with his projection of 72.
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AJ's career catch rate is 61.7. I rounded to 62.
 
Marshall said:
I just don't think he'll be the safety valve for struggling QBs he was here and there are a lot of other targets who are likely to get more playing time. But we'll see.
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He's going to be a starter and Luck and Pagano were giddy about signing him. Pagano basically dared the league to try to single cover AJ, mocking the idea he won't pull lots of double. His play last year was far superior to Wayne's and Wayne got 116 targets. He's their biggest most experienced WR, of course he is going to be Luck's woobie. I'll stick with that being the floor.
 
Getting back to the drafts, to me I would order them this way -

Jags - Easily the best draft in the division. They killed it. It's all on Bortles now. If he develops, they will be knocking on the Colts door next year with one more good draft. Great job. A-

Texans - Like the first three picks. Didn't like giving up the 4th for McKinney. Strong was a great value and worth the trade up. Didn't care AT ALL for 3 of the 4 day three selections. Wasted day. I would have taken Bud Dupree, but Johnson is a good safe pick, as our the next two. It was blah, devoid of star potential but these should be quality players and the floor seems low on the top 3. Not a bad draft because the first 3 should be long term answers albeit probably not stars. B-

Colts - I am a Dorsett fan. Would loved to see him here. But it's a matter of fit. Yes, I'm aware of the blather GM's make about we follow our draft board yada, yada, yada, meanwhile everyone knows teams draft for need at the top. Well, Grigson really did follow his board and he is rightly being criticized for it. They have serious D needs and Malcolm Brown or even Collins would have made some sense. There was also a tackle there and they need oline help. Instead they take a TY Clone. Makes no sense. C-

Titans - This all comes down to Marcus. If you think he is the real deal long term answer or star QB, you have to give them a much higher grade than this. As for me, I'm not a Mariota fan. I don't think his game translates to the NFL all that well myself. Marcus needs to be with the Eagles. Chip will get the most out of him. Ken W? Not so much. The DGB pick is a boom/bust pick that I wouldn't have made either. But this all comes down to Marcus - if he busts (as I feel) it's a D. If he booms, it's an A. I think they have doomed themselves to the basement for quite some time. For me right now, I'll go D+.

The upshot is the Colts are still the team to beat because they have the best QB by far and an explosive offense overall. The Texans will be in second nipping at the Colts heels all year, and (if Bortles takes step) the Jags will nip on the Texans heels but fall short. The Titans are going to be awful and will be back picking in the top 5 again next year.

Colts 11-5
Texans 10-6
Jags - 6-10
Titans - 3-13
 
Todd McShay--Most improved NFL teams out of 2015 draft
It's impossible to judge a team's draft class the day the draft ends, in part because some picks are made more with the future in mind than immediate impact.

But based on the picks made Thursday through Saturday, which draft classes improved their teams the most heading into the 2015 season? Below, I have identified a franchise from each division that saw its roster get markedly better this weekend.

Here are the most improved teams out of the 2015 NFL draft:
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AFC South: Jacksonville Jaguars

There is a lot to like about what the Jaguars did in this draft. No. 3 overall pick Dante Fowler Jr. should have an early impact as the Leo edge rusher in Gus Bradley's defense, second-rounder T.J. Yeldon is an upgrade at running back with his excellent lateral agility and acceleration, and A.J. Cann is a punishing run-blocker who could push for a starting job. Then there were the Day 3 values: safety James Sample, wide receiver Rashad Greene and defensive tackle Mike Bennett could all find roles on this roster, and went off the board later than they could have, at least based on the scouting grades we had on them. This is a strong class that could contribute right away
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2015/insider/story/_/id/12807226/most-improved-teams-2015-nfl-draft
 
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