Honoring Earl 34
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I'm choosing the right side of the coin .
Things that have to fall right for the Texans to get better or making playoffs
1. QB
2. Clowney
3. OL
4. recievers
5. Beat Colts
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Selection 1.16, Kevin Johnson, CB Wake Forest
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I'm choosing the right side of the coin .
Things that have to fall right for the Texans to get better or making playoffs
1. QB
2. Clowney
3. OL
4. recievers
5. Beat Colts
If Johnson is taller than these guys, even as little as two inches, his frame would be a lot thinner, like Bridgewater, just doesn't look very staunch.
Never had anyone have trouble with my Johnson's size!
(Totally agree with your post, I couldn't help myself)
DEFENSE!! 
I'm cool with the pick. It is a passing league now, so your defense better be able to pressure the QB and cover. Strengthening the secondary is never a bad thing, and with the learning curve at CB, this sets the Texans up for the future.
I'm cool with the pick. It is a passing league now, so your defense better be able to pressure the QB and cover. Strengthening the secondary is never a bad thing, and with the learning curve at CB, this sets the Texans up for the future.
TexansThunder
Waterboy
Richard Sherman ran a 4.53s 40 during his combine performance. He has no problem keeping up with faster receivers. The Texans assessed Kevin Johnson's entire skillset - they obviously believe he fits into RAC's defense very well and provides the team with a bona fide cover corner to replace Joseph.
There are some really talented players still available. Texans have the flexibility to move up in the draft if necessary with 9 more picks. They'll fill team needs.
CB Kevin Johnson's solid football acumen, coupled with his athleticism, gives the Texans' D a young player with the potential to be exceptional. Give the player a chance to prove himself, to grow into a NFL player before writing him off.
So what if the Texans are stockpiling CBs. The Seahawks stockpiled defensive ends in creating a perennial Super Bowl contender.
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TexansFTW
Veteran
Richard Sherman doesn't really keep up with WRs IMO, he's a zone corner, he mans his zone to perfection, but the second he gets beat, thankfully he has one of 2 pro bowl safeties manning the zone above him.
Playing man though, I hardly doubt Richard Sherman would be this all world CB everyone believes, but I guess these are arguments that are a waste of time because of the fact that we'll likely never be able to prove it right or wrong.
As for KJ, I don't love the pick, I don't hate the pick. The pick is interesting to me. I get the pick, JJo is gone after this year, that writing has been on the wall for a while. I also don't really see a role for him on this team this year, I guess there's always special teams and challenging AJ Bouye as the slot CB. I guess if an injury happens he can step in and be immediately useful too.
I also think that passing on Dupree when he was staring us in the face could potentially show the Texans aren't nearly as afraid of the Mercilus and Clowney situations as many of us are. I know I'm definitely afraid, but if they don't address the position, it might just show we are incorrect, or it shows that as usual... Rick Smith's a clown. I guess we will see. For me good, but not great. I don't hate the pick, so there's that.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Division picks:
Best Pick = Jags, Dante Fowler
2nd Best Pick = Titans, Marcus Mariota
3rd Best Pick = Colts, Phillip Dorsett
4th Best Pick =Texans, Kevin Johnson
Perspective, 13 year pattern of behavior of Texans not really knowing what they're doing on draft day is still alive and well.
Best Pick = Jags, Dante Fowler
2nd Best Pick = Titans, Marcus Mariota
3rd Best Pick = Colts, Phillip Dorsett
4th Best Pick =Texans, Kevin Johnson
Perspective, 13 year pattern of behavior of Texans not really knowing what they're doing on draft day is still alive and well.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Right, because those 1st 3 listed are damn near Hall of Famers.
There were a couple of O'Brien clips on that same page where the coach basically said the same things that Smith said.
- Intelligent, Smart
- Good instincts
- Versatile ("can play inside or on the edge")
- Loves the game
- Can come right in and compete (to me that's as close as you'll ever hear O'Brien say "he's ready to start")
I just wish someone would have asked him (Smith or O'Brien) what that near-trade thing was all about.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Still in shock 
Texans passed on Bud Dupree, or didn't attempt trade up a couple picks for Parker both of whom would have been impact players. Johnson will be developed slowly, see only limited minutes. Solid, safe player. Guess Rick Smith feels really secure in his position, very long term pick!
Texans passed on Bud Dupree, or didn't attempt trade up a couple picks for Parker both of whom would have been impact players. Johnson will be developed slowly, see only limited minutes. Solid, safe player. Guess Rick Smith feels really secure in his position, very long term pick!
eriadoc
Texan-American
I wanted BPA, but CB was one of the top 2 or 3 I was hoping for. OLB was on my do not want list. Some people are bitching about not taking Dupree, but this team sucks at drafting OLB. Did not want Dupree. In the first round, I pretty much only wanted a CB, QB, or WR, as far as position need goes. If a stud at some other position was drafted, OK fine. Except OLB. Who's the best OLB Rick Smith has ever drafted? Connor Barwin? Yuck.
...and he was taken in what round again? The "blind squirrel finding a nut" scenario (much like Tom Brady) isn't the best way to evaluate either. Go ahead, tell me again how many GMs had Sherman projected as a Pro-Bowler.
Link - A guy who looked at 40 times as a predictor for just CB position from 2001-2010. (Basically, your odds go up measurably with 4.39 and below)
Will KJ2 be great? No telling at this point, but let's just leave off Sherman as the go-to example.
No different than what I said there TK. I'm just not so hopeful against TY on a fly route or a hitch & go.
It's not like these concerns are isolated to my PoV.
Let's try some of these quotes on:
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All picks have warts. I'd just hoped for less warts at a non-immediate-need position in the middle of the 1st round. He's a Texan now, I want him to succeed.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Just read the Pats actually contacted the Texans about a trade. They were convinced the Colts would take Brown to shore up their d line. When the Colts drafted TY V2.0 the Pats backed out to get the guy they wanted. Still not confirmed but makes sense
This surprises me. KJ2 (I like that nick) put us in a favorable position to increase cap space - depending on what J-Jo wants next year - and you've always preached that increasing cap space is a good thing. Now it isn't?
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
Welcome to Houston Kevin Johnson!
texan279
Hall of Fame
The best news is we didn't take Bud when he was there which tells me Clowney may be ok . The good news is we didn't take Erving which tells me they're ok with X and Jones .
I think the Texans have one of the best set of corners in the league now to go along with what could be a great front 7 .
A great front 7? A great defensive line, no doubt. But our linebackers are pretty much garbage. As of right now Mercilus is our best linebacker, which is scary as hell.
TexansFTW
Veteran
lol @ last sentence.
I'm not totally sold on Marcus and probably wouldn't have made the pick personally, but I get why they did.
As for Dorsett, that was a horrible pick. That was a ridiculous luxury pick. Does this team plan on running a 4 wide set with 2 TEs? If you have 5 linemen then that means each play you don't have a QB or a RB on the field. Seriously though... how many players do you need to catch the ball when you can't block or run or perform any semblance of defense?
Foolish pick, and as a Texan fan, I gotta appreciate it.
Texian
Hall of Fame
The 16th pick will have the same salary cap consequences regardless of the positions that are drafted. It's the same whether you draft BPA or Need. The best way to improve your football team is BPA.
Texian
Hall of Fame
It is a ridiculous pick until you have to cover TY Hilton, AJ, Moncrief and Dorsett. Then it stops being ridiculous and funny.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
QuantumMortis
Noob
It's a safe and solid pick, but it's all just Kabuki until we find a legitimate NFL QB.
Texian
Hall of Fame
If your intent was to be SNARKY. BULLY. JERK. You succeeded with flying colors as you always do with 99% of your posts.
I totally agree
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Neither did the Oregon OT who was his personal choice .
Texian
Hall of Fame
I've got so many fans who read and remember everything I write, I'm so lucky. So many experts got the Texans pick wrong, or did the Texans? And both those picks will go to more Pro Bowls than the Texans pick.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
All I know is that AFC South just got alot freaking tougher.
Better come with it in rounds 2 and 3 ... gotta hit those picks this year.
Better come with it in rounds 2 and 3 ... gotta hit those picks this year.
TexansFTW
Veteran
Doubtful, but I'll be waiting with anticipation.
Vance87
All Pro
Hey man are you registering for the supplemental draft? Never seen a guy throw the pigskin like you did.
I'm telling you, our LBs are going to look like studs with Wilfork to help Watt up front & Moore & KJ2 to help out the secondary.
Well... CB was definitely not a need for us.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I honestly never got around to watching much film or any highlights on Johnson before the draft because he was someone I saw a little of during the season. I liked what I saw but honestly only saw a few games and wasn't watching him all that closely. I like the position, I like the mindset. People keep pointing out that our #3-5 CB as if they are locks to be good players. I wouldn't count on those guys to develop and become starters, and it's good to see that the Texans aren't counting on it either. People say that you can never have enough corners and I couldn't agree more. If your group can't hang with the weapons of your opponent, the game is almost over before it starts. This allows us to matchup better against pass heavy teams, which we have been horrible at defending over the past two years, and also protects us from injury.
So, happy with the thought process and position, I am unsure about the player because I haven't spent a lot of time watching him.
So, happy with the thought process and position, I am unsure about the player because I haven't spent a lot of time watching him.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Nah man, you know. After being a member of TexansTalk for a couple years there is some mental scarring that affects the way I play the game now. I just sell tupperware.
Texian
Hall of Fame
FYI on your dislike for Dorsett;
PDS ‏@PatDStat 7m7 minutes ago
Texans tried twice to get back into the first. Once for Bud Dupree and as @SportsRadio610 said Phillip Dorsett.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I disagree. CB is certainly a need for us, especially when you are accounting for our contracts on the books beyond this year.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I'd love to see Cushing return to form in that scenario. He seems to be this guy who everyone has written off ala Demeco.
We still need to draft an ILB in my opinion, but getting a year or two of some vintage Cush would be awesome.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
If that were the logic then couldnt they Texans just as well drafted a CB in next years draft?
Porky
Hall of Fame
First off, nobody knows, it's a guessing game, but I will play along
Best pick - Jags Dante Fowler
2nd best - Texans Kevin Johnson
3rd best - Phillip Dorsett
4th Best - Marcus Mariota
I was happier than the Titans fans that they selected MM. I'm not a fan, and I'm definitely not a fan of him on that team. Bad fit and it reeks of Locker part 2.
Now I am a big fan of Dorsett. But again, bad fit. They have a full house. It's going to somewhat limit his touches. I'm also not a fan of the pick because they need help on D and in the oline. Right player - wrong team imo.
As far as Dante Fowler name one Jags 1st rounder in recent history that is a true stud.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Why wait till next year if you have someone you feel is a legit starting caliber prospect sitting in front of you? He's also being put in a good position to succeed this year considering he'll be on the field with two solid vets that he can learn from. Even if an injury takes down Kareem or JJo, we aren't in a situation where he is going to have to cover the other team's #1.
I really don't get why some feel that this was some kind of luxury pick. We needed a CB, almost every site and draftnik agreed on that prior to the draft.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Because starting rookie CBs is a bad idea.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Yeah you're probably right. Even thought the whole mentor thing is a little overblown. If you are a first round pick you are expected to come in and contribute right away. Whos to say Bouye, Hal or one of the other guys couldnt continue to improve and show themselves worthy of being a starter? I guess a glut at CB is good considering what Indy did.
From your perspective, I'm fine with that. CB was a need.
For the Texian argument that we took CB because it was a need & not Bud Dupree or Perriman because they were BPA... I'm saying OLB & WR were bigger needs, so it looks like the Texans went with BPA & filled a lesser need.
You missed my point, which means I didn't make myself clear. It's not about the cap impact of the #16 pick it's about the flexibility this guy provides. Drafting J-Jo's replacement this year means he (J-Jo) is expendable if he doesn't sign a club-friendly extension. We're in better posture to let him walk if necessary in 2016. That should free up significant cap space. AND possibly result in a 3rd or 4th rd comp pick.
Why is that a bad thing again?
Depends on the rookie, the coaches, & the defense he'll be put on.
But I don't have a problem taking KJ2 here.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I think that's exactly what they did, I can't see anyone arguing that they went in feeling CB was their biggest need. We need a starting C that's better than Jones, a starting ILB, and starting OLB. We also need depth at receiver, but CB was next on my list.
We still have 9 picks to fill out the roster but I like that we addressed a top 5 need this year and probably a top 3 need next year. I'm also intrigued by the rumor that we were trying to trade back into the 1st. We have quite a few picks to play with so its nice to see that we have an aggressive mindset about getting good value.
In the end, I just want these guys to actually play and contribute, regardless of position. Too many recent draft picks have not even played a down for us. Those are the picks that hurt you, not the guys that weren't picked based on highest need. By all accounts, Johnson is reliable.