What I'd do in the draft

[Lambert]

1) McNair has said we don't need a franchise QB to get us to the Superbowl. He's wrong. We have had the first pick in the draft for 3 out of 12 years and we STILL don't have a great QB. What is wrong here?

Either Mallet or Hoyer is going to make it in the off season, we need a good back up and a 3rd---maybe savage. Or, keep both Mallet and Hoyer and pick up a good guy that has at least a chance of being a franchise player.

We need a QB. We needed a QB last year and took a LB'er. We didn't need a LB'er.

2) Despite Reed's departure and Clowney's doubtful return, Simon can fill in for Brooks and we can pick up a LB'er in the draft for depth. Picking up a rush LB'er high in the draft is difficult anyway because most colleges don't play a true 3/4 so it's a crap shoot when you draft a rusher to know if he can cover and/or set the edge. The first round rusher's we have chosen end up on the WILL side, because they can not cover or set the edge.

3) So what do we do? WE trade up with Tenn to get the 2nd pick and get either Winston or Mariota---probably Mariota. For this trade we give a second this year and a 1st next year---expensive, but come on, enough's enough. We're gonna get beaten by the Colts 2 times every year until we wake up. Tenn traded up to to get Mettenberger last year and sat Locker---who then retired, so they are probably feeling pretty set at the position and would welcome a juicy trade.

4) With # 3 pick, I'd get some help for the Oline. We lost our all-pro center. We're going to move a guard, Jones, over to snap the ball and have picked up a guard from the practice squad to take his place. We gave a good contract to Newton, our RT who has had one good year but still jumps off-sides a lot.------Help!

#5 I'd pick up a ILB. Cushing may come back OK, but he may not.

# 6 I'd get a LOLB for depth, and maybe get lucky as we did with Reed (although he was a 2nd round pick) that he could step in if there was an injury. Other than Simon, we really don't have a LOLB on the roster.

7th and compensatory, I'd get the BPA.

Next year, I'd extend Merci, see if Clowney is viable, but deal with the OLBR then.

What do you guys think?

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I think you'd draft Blaine Gabbert if he was available.

Just because you need something doesn't mean it's there for you. We drafted Clowney #1 overall last year because the coaching staff thought he was the best player available and because they didn't think any of the QBs available were guys who were going to come in immediately and answer our QB situation. I haven't seen anything from Winston or Mariota to make me think they're going to be a sure-fire answer to our "problem" and I don't want to give up a high draft picks to trade up and get some guy who's probably the next mediocre 1st round QB.

Personally, I think Mallett is our guy.

So, no. That's not what I'd do.

 

[Lambert]

I think you'd draft Blaine Gabbert if he was available.

Just because you need something doesn't mean it's there for you. We drafted Clowney #1 overall last year because the coaching staff thought he was the best player available and because they didn't think any of the QBs available were guys who were going to come in immediately and answer our QB situation. I haven't seen anything from Winston or Mariota to make me think they're going to be a sure-fire answer to our "problem" and I don't want to give up a high draft picks to trade up and get some guy who's probably the next mediocre 1st round QB.

Personally, I think Mallett is our guy.

So, no. That's not what I'd do.

I hope you're right. I really liked Mallet in the one game in which he played well. When he played in his second game, I thought Schaub!

Like college DE's, that you're going to convert to LB'ers, it's a crap shoot with QB's. I agree, I didn't see any QB's last year either. But, how long will we wait. Brady went in the 6th round, but the higher a QB goes, the better chance you have of success.

BTW, Blaine Gabbert can't be drafted.

If you go through the whole history of any club drafting LB'ers in the first round, will they ever take you to Disney land?

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I hope you're right. I really liked Mallet in the one game in which he played well. When he played in his second game, I thought Schaub!

Like college DE's, that you're going to convert to LB'ers, it's a crap shoot with QB's. I agree, I didn't see any QB's last year either. But, how long will we wait. Brady went in the 6th round, but the higher a QB goes, the better chance you have of success.

If you go through the whole history of any club drafting LB'ers in the first round, will they ever take you to Disney land?

Overdrafting QBs year-after-year won't take you to Disneyland, either. That's the problem.

But look at the Seahawks, they didn't overdraft. They built up a strong team and even made the playoffs with a <500 record. Knowing that they needed to upgrade the QB spot, they were busy working on it -- drafting a QB, signing some veteran QBs -- and they eventually got it worked out.

Because they'd drafted LBs and DEs and OTs, they had a team that a young QB could fit into and take them to the promised land with.

THAT's what we should be basing our strategy on. Not the hit-and-miss strategy of drafting high QBs in the hopes that we get Peyton Manning instead of Jake Locker or Blaine Gabbert. The Seahawks strategy instead of the Browns strategy.

Sometimes that takes patience.

 

[Brandon420tx]

I always thought the cleveland browns drafting strategy was to always draft a QB with the 22nd pick. If you don't have the 22nd pick trade for it.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I always thought the cleveland browns drafting strategy was to always draft a QB with the 22nd pick. If you don't have the 22nd pick trade for it.

Well, that's a good point.

 

[Playoffs]

As to QB, I don't know yet what I'd do. It's like setting up two people you sorta know on a blind date and expecting them to get married. While I know what kind of "girl" O'Brien tells me he likes, I can't be very definite on what a real-life, walking/talking version of her is. I have a better understanding of what he doesn't want...

So I'll wait around until he shows up with a fiancé and then say, "That's her? Okay. Not quite what I expected, but let's do this."

I think you'd draft Blaine Gabbert if he was available...

Ouch. (The dumb blonde)

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

I think you'd draft Blaine Gabbert if he was available.

I'd be fine with that because it'd eliminate OB as a guy who's good at spotting QB's. I'd call that progress.

 

[Mollywhopper]

I hope you're right. I really liked Mallet in the one game in which he played well. When he played in his second game, I thought Schaub!

When he played his second game did you think torn pectoral muscle?

If you go through the whole history of any club drafting LB'ers in the first round, will they ever take you to Disney land?

 

[Tearstain]

Mariota has no arm strength a poor mans Alex Smith. if we trade up for him.....

we roll with our 3 this season if it don't work I think Penn St QB is due to enter draft next season. OB's old starter

 

[Lucky]

While I know what kind of "girl" O'Brien tells me he likes, I can't be very definite on what a real-life, walking/talking version of her is.

O'Brien says he values a QB that is accurate. Then goes and signs Brian Hoyer, the leagues least accurate starting QB. Not really sure what to make of what O'Brien says, then does.

 

[Texecutioner]

1) McNair has said we don't need a franchise QB to get us to the Superbowl. He's wrong. We have had the first pick in the draft for 3 out of 12 years and we STILL don't have a great QB. What is wrong here?

Either Mallet or Hoyer is going to make it in the off season, we need a good back up and a 3rd---maybe savage. Or, keep both Mallet and Hoyer and pick up a good guy that has at least a chance of being a franchise player.

We need a QB. We needed a QB last year and took a LB'er. We didn't need a LB'er.

2) Despite Reed's departure and Clowney's doubtful return, Simon can fill in for Brooks and we can pick up a LB'er in the draft for depth. Picking up a rush LB'er high in the draft is difficult anyway because most colleges don't play a true 3/4 so it's a crap shoot when you draft a rusher to know if he can cover and/or set the edge. The first round rusher's we have chosen end up on the WILL side, because they can not cover or set the edge.

3) So what do we do? WE trade up with Tenn to get the 2nd pick and get either Winston or Mariota---probably Mariota. For this trade we give a second this year and a 1st next year---expensive, but come on, enough's enough. We're gonna get beaten by the Colts 2 times every year until we wake up. Tenn traded up to to get Mettenberger last year and sat Locker---who then retired, so they are probably feeling pretty set at the position and would welcome a juicy trade.

4) With # 3 pick, I'd get some help for the Oline. We lost our all-pro center. We're going to move a guard, Jones, over to snap the ball and have picked up a guard from the practice squad to take his place. We gave a good contract to Newton, our RT who has had one good year but still jumps off-sides a lot.------Help!

#5 I'd pick up a ILB. Cushing may come back OK, but he may not.

# 6 I'd get a LOLB for depth, and maybe get lucky as we did with Reed (although he was a 2nd round pick) that he could step in if there was an injury. Other than Simon, we really don't have a LOLB on the roster.

7th and compensatory, I'd get the BPA.

Next year, I'd extend Merci, see if Clowney is viable, but deal with the OLBR then.

What do you guys think?

I agree with your theory of how important the need is at QB, but not in the route that you're willing to go on to get it. It sounds like you're willing to draft every guy with a hot name regardless of their skill set. Either that, or you are completely sold on Marriotta and Winston, which I am not. I wouldn't build my franchise around either of those guys. I would have around Blake Bortles and unfortunately we squandered that opportunity. I think the key is to be the most aggressive relentless team to get the QB you want when the opportunity arises. We could have possibly been a bigger player in the Foles trade which happened recently and Rivers is dying to leave SD right now. I'd be all over Sd right now offering picks.

The Texans will need to be that type of team if they want to get that guy unless they strike gold in the draft.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

O'Brien says he values a QB that is accurate. Then goes and signs Brian Hoyer, the leagues least accurate starting QB. Not really sure what to make of what O'Brien says, then does.

Funny you guys mention that.

By this time Kubiak had already decided Carr was not going to get it done (if he hadn't already decided before he took the job...yada, yad, yad) and had pinpointed his guy in Schaub.

I wasn't the biggest Schaub fan overall, but the guy was not terrible. He was a good player. Kubiak made him better.

Right now I don't know what to make of OB. He's waiting for his porridge to get just right I guess.

I just want to see some decisiveness from the Head Coach who is supposed to be a QB guy.

 

[infantrycak]

Funny you guys mention that.

By this time Kubiak had already decided Carr was not going to get it done (if he hadn't already decided before he took the job...yada, yad, yad) and had pinpointed his guy in Schaub.

I wasn't the biggest Schaub fan overall, but the guy was not terrible. He was a good player. Kubiak made him better.

Right now I don't know what to make of OB. He's waiting for his porridge to get just right I guess.

I just want to see some decisiveness from the Head Coach who is supposed to be a QB guy.

Nailed it.

 

[frethack]

Kubiak and OB are not even in the same league in my opinion, and it showed in the Ravens game. Kubs had no answer for our defense, just like he never had an answer when we would play the Patriots.

Both Fitzy and Keenum played above their previously displayed talent level last year, so I am inclined to trust OB's obfuscated method over the ridgid and unadaptable Kubiak. I think we are on the right track...finally.

 

[ObsiWan]

Funny you guys mention that.

By this time Kubiak had already decided Carr was not going to get it done (if he hadn't already decided before he took the job...yada, yad, yad) and had pinpointed his guy in Schaub.

I wasn't the biggest Schaub fan overall, but the guy was not terrible. He was a good player. Kubiak made him better.

Right now I don't know what to make of OB. He's waiting for his porridge to get just right I guess.

I just want to see some decisiveness from the Head Coach who is supposed to be a QB guy.

Right on!
Said that very thing in a different thread. By now, March of his 2nd season, Kubiak had done the research and gone out and got the best QB available (it was a lean year) who he thought could pick up his system and started teaching it to him.

O'Brien had the advantage of having a guy who had already been in his system for 4 years, understudying the best QB of the present time, available for trade. A 3rd or 4th has been theorized but we don't really know. Kubiak was willing to spend two 2nds to get his guy but O'Brien wouldn't spend one 3rd?

Sorry but I have to wonder why not??

 

[JB]

Kubiak and OB are not even in the same league in my opinion, and it showed in the Ravens game. Kubs had no answer for our defense, just like he never had an answer when we would play the Patriots.

Both Fitzy and Keenum played above their previously displayed talent level last year, so I am inclined to trust OB's obfuscated method over the ridgid and unadaptable Kubiak. I think we are on the right track...finally.

How many times have we heard that only to wind up with

 

[badboy]

1) McNair has said we don't need a franchise QB to get us to the Superbowl. He's wrong. We have had the first pick in the draft for 3 out of 12 years and we STILL don't have a great QB. What is wrong here?

Either Mallet or Hoyer is going to make it in the off season, we need a good back up and a 3rd---maybe savage. Or, keep both Mallet and Hoyer and pick up a good guy that has at least a chance of being a franchise player.

We need a QB. We needed a QB last year and took a LB'er. We didn't need a LB'er.

2) Despite Reed's departure and Clowney's doubtful return, Simon can fill in for Brooks and we can pick up a LB'er in the draft for depth. Picking up a rush LB'er high in the draft is difficult anyway because most colleges don't play a true 3/4 so it's a crap shoot when you draft a rusher to know if he can cover and/or set the edge. The first round rusher's we have chosen end up on the WILL side, because they can not cover or set the edge.

3) So what do we do? WE trade up with Tenn to get the 2nd pick and get either Winston or Mariota---probably Mariota. For this trade we give a second this year and a 1st next year---expensive, but come on, enough's enough. We're gonna get beaten by the Colts 2 times every year until we wake up. Tenn traded up to to get Mettenberger last year and sat Locker---who then retired, so they are probably feeling pretty set at the position and would welcome a juicy trade.

4) With # 3 pick, I'd get some help for the Oline. We lost our all-pro center. We're going to move a guard, Jones, over to snap the ball and have picked up a guard from the practice squad to take his place. We gave a good contract to Newton, our RT who has had one good year but still jumps off-sides a lot.------Help!

#5 I'd pick up a ILB. Cushing may come back OK, but he may not.

# 6 I'd get a LOLB for depth, and maybe get lucky as we did with Reed (although he was a 2nd round pick) that he could step in if there was an injury. Other than Simon, we really don't have a LOLB on the roster.

7th and compensatory, I'd get the BPA.

Next year, I'd extend Merci, see if Clowney is viable, but deal with the OLBR then.

What do you guys think?

1. I think your assumptions here are wrong in that a great QB is not needed to win SB. I don't think anyone knows when the draft is done what kind of player they are adding to roster. Carr was supposed to be a long term QB and face of Texans. You have your "philosophy" but Texans at that time and more importantly now do not seem to have the one you do. I think OBrien did what he could to get best QB he could and there were not many options. He decided to draft Savage who appears to be type/skills OBrien wants. We can look back at decisions like Bridgewater and Clowney and in hindsight
& give our two cents; this is okay but Texans did not have that option before the decision was made. He traded for Mallett as best option at that time. He then got another QB he thinks can improve. I think we are set at QB as is.

3. There is no way Tenn accepts our #51 and a our '16 first as that is same as giving up two second this year to move up 14 picks; unless you did not intentionally leave out including our #16? There are rumors that Mettenberger did not turn out as well as hoped. If that is true, they will pick a QB.

4. By your comments you appear not to know that Jones was and is a center who played at LG only because Sua'fila did not do as expected. He was a Rimington award finalist. He is moving back to his natural position and should have a better season there. Add that this is Jones final contract year and he should step it up for a new one. IMO, there are only 2 centers that could possibly start, Erving and Grasu from Oregon and even with them I'd hope they could back up for this season. Another player to not forget is Ferentz who is signed thru 2016 with a avg cap of less than $1m and he seems to be same type player as Myers. Ferentz was coached by his dad for 5 seasons at Iowa. He is a skilled technician as was Myers. I am not against drafting a center as I am debating Grasu #51. Also, Newton's flags could have been due to rotation of QBs each having his own intonation of calls.

5. IMO we have Cush's replacement training behind him in Bullough. I do have us selecting Jake Ryan in 5th as he can play ILB and OLB and could back up Simon IF Clowney not ready. There is no indication Brian will not be back healthy.

 

[infantrycak]

We can look back at decisions like Bridgewater and Clowney and in hindsight
& give our two cents; this is okay but Texans did not have that option before the decision was made.

Of course they did. That’s the ultimate ridiculous assertion. They had #1. They had at their will any player in the draft.

IMO we have Cush's replacement training behind him in Bullough. I do have us selecting Jake Ryan in 5th as he can play ILB and OLB and could back up Simon IF Clowney not ready. There is no indication Brian will not be back healthy.

You always have full faith in whatever nameless backup is on the roster at a position you don't want to draft.

Bouye will just slide right in for JJo., no need to draft CB before throwaway picks.

Undrafted 1 tackle Bullough will take over for Cush.

Almost forgot - even injured Posey will take over for AJ.

 

[Lambert]

1. I think your assumptions here are wrong in that a great QB is not needed to win SB. I don't think anyone knows when the draft is done what kind of player they are adding to roster. Carr was supposed to be a long term QB and face of Texans. You have your "philosophy" but Texans at that time and more importantly now do not seem to have the one you do. I think OBrien did what he could to get best QB he could and there were not many options. He decided to draft Savage who appears to be type/skills OBrien wants. We can look back at decisions like Bridgewater and Clowney and in hindsight
& give our two cents; this is okay but Texans did not have that option before the decision was made. He traded for Mallett as best option at that time. He then got another QB he thinks can improve. I think we are set at QB as is.

3. There is no way Tenn accepts our #51 and a our '16 first as that is same as giving up two second this year to move up 14 picks; unless you did not intentionally leave out including our #16? There are rumors that Mettenberger did not turn out as well as hoped. If that is true, they will pick a QB.

4. By your comments you appear not to know that Jones was and is a center who played at LG only because Sua'fila did not do as expected. He was a Rimington award finalist. He is moving back to his natural position and should have a better season there. Add that this is Jones final contract year and he should step it up for a new one. IMO, there are only 2 centers that could possibly start, Erving and Grasu from Oregon and even with them I'd hope they could back up for this season. Another player to not forget is Ferentz who is signed thru 2016 with a avg cap of less than $1m and he seems to be same type player as Myers. Ferentz was coached by his dad for 5 seasons at Iowa. He is a skilled technician as was Myers. I am not against drafting a center as I am debating Grasu #51. Also, Newton's flags could have been due to rotation of QBs each having his own intonation of calls.

5. IMO we have Cush's replacement training behind him in Bullough. I do have us selecting Jake Ryan in 5th as he can play ILB and OLB and could back up Simon IF Clowney not ready. There is no indication Brian will not be back healthy.

I agree, you never know what you're getting in the draft till you hit the field. However, there is some statistical relation between how high a player goes and how good he will be. I know it's not perfect, but it is definitely there.

We NEED a QB. Those who think we are ever going to make the SB without a great QB are simply wrong. QB's are not the whole answer, of course, but can you imagine how different history would be if we had done everything we could and drafted Luck, or picked up Manning.

We don't need another pass rushing LB'er. True we do need depth, but that can be had without using a 1st round pick to get it.

I meant we would give Tenn our second this year (as our first, #16, would then go to Tenn.) And, give Tenn our first next year---which would mean they would have 2 first round picks next year. A pretty good deal, especially, if they want to give Mettenberger another year and figure they could trade out of one of their 1st rnd picks next year to pick up somebody better.

Regardless if Jones works out at Center, we need Oline help. Then a good young ILB. Bullough is promising but we have 2 ILB's. THEN a depth adding OLB'er. Just my opinion.

 

[JB]

I meant we would give Tenn our second this year (as our first, #16, would then go to Tenn.) And, give Tenn our first next year---which would mean they would have 2 first round picks next year. A pretty good deal, especially, if they want to give Mettenberger another year and figure they could trade out of one of their 1st rnd picks next year to pick up somebody better.

Tenn would be nuts to do that deal. Basically #16 and two seconds to move back 14 spots. No way

They could probably get Rivers and only have to move back 15 spots.

Even if they were stupid enough, you have to be convinced that Mariota is that missing piece and will be the franchise. Other wise you're just a dumber Browns

 

[Lambert]

Tenn would be nuts to do that deal. Basically #16 and two seconds to move back 14 spots. No way

They could probably get Rivers and only have to move back 15 spots.

Even if they were stupid enough, you have to be convinced that Mariota is that missing piece and will be the franchise. Other wise you're just a dumber Browns

I guess I don't see why you say that it's 16 and two seconds? It's moving back 14 spots in this years draft, another second round pick, so they'd have a 34th and a 48th pick in the 2nd this year, as well as two first round picks next year---one extra. Three picks before pick number 49 in this draft and an extra first round pick next year. Not a bad deal.

I wouldn't do the same deal for Rivers. He's good but a little tread worn---also there's that "choke" thing---remember the first game in 2013.

Now, is Mariotta the savior? That remains to be seen, but he has a much better chance of being that guy than waiting to find him in the 5th round. It could happen---consider Brady---but it is a reaaal long shot. Having said that, I do like Connor Halliday out of WA ST. Pocket passer, good arm, and off the radar cause of a bad leg injury in his Senior year.

So, maybe you're right, we waste another 1st round pick on a pass rusher, hope that either Hoyer or Mallet can get the job done and look for Jesus in the last few rounds.

Or, we can hope for terrible season so that we can move up in the draft next year----which we've done in the past, up to the first pick 3 times (!) and STILL don't have that QB! What's wrong with us?

 

[JB]

I guess I don't see why you say that it's 16 and two seconds? It's moving back 14 spots in this years draft, another second round pick, so they'd have a 34th and a 48th pick in the 2nd this year, as well as two first round picks next year---one extra. Three picks before pick number 49 in this draft and an extra first round pick next year. Not a bad deal.

I wouldn't do the same deal for Rivers. He's good but a little tread worn---also there's that "choke" thing---remember the first game in 2013.

Now, is Mariotta the savior? That remains to be seen, but he has a much better chance of being that guy than waiting to find him in the 5th round. It could happen---consider Brady---but it is a reaaal long shot. Having said that, I do like Connor Halliday out of WA ST. Pocket passer, good arm, and off the radar cause of a bad leg injury in his Senior year.

So, maybe you're right, we waste another 1st round pick on a pass rusher, hope that either Hoyer or Mallet can get the job done and look for Jesus in the last few rounds.

Because the going market is next years first is worth no more than this years second. That's the way it's been, it is and it will be

If you wouldn't give up a first for Rivers (being in our position, or that of the Titans)
imo you're nuts

 

[Seegara]

1) McNair has said we don't need a franchise QB to get us to the Superbowl. He's wrong. We have had the first pick in the draft for 3 out of 12 years and we STILL don't have a great QB. What is wrong here?

Either Mallet or Hoyer is going to make it in the off season, we need a good back up and a 3rd---maybe savage. Or, keep both Mallet and Hoyer and pick up a good guy that has at least a chance of being a franchise player.

We need a QB. We needed a QB last year and took a LB'er. We didn't need a LB'er.

2) Despite Reed's departure and Clowney's doubtful return, Simon can fill in for Brooks and we can pick up a LB'er in the draft for depth. Picking up a rush LB'er high in the draft is difficult anyway because most colleges don't play a true 3/4 so it's a crap shoot when you draft a rusher to know if he can cover and/or set the edge. The first round rusher's we have chosen end up on the WILL side, because they can not cover or set the edge.

3) So what do we do? WE trade up with Tenn to get the 2nd pick and get either Winston or Mariota---probably Mariota. For this trade we give a second this year and a 1st next year---expensive, but come on, enough's enough. We're gonna get beaten by the Colts 2 times every year until we wake up. Tenn traded up to to get Mettenberger last year and sat Locker---who then retired, so they are probably feeling pretty set at the position and would welcome a juicy trade.

4) With # 3 pick, I'd get some help for the Oline. We lost our all-pro center. We're going to move a guard, Jones, over to snap the ball and have picked up a guard from the practice squad to take his place. We gave a good contract to Newton, our RT who has had one good year but still jumps off-sides a lot.------Help!

#5 I'd pick up a ILB. Cushing may come back OK, but he may not.

# 6 I'd get a LOLB for depth, and maybe get lucky as we did with Reed (although he was a 2nd round pick) that he could step in if there was an injury. Other than Simon, we really don't have a LOLB on the roster.

7th and compensatory, I'd get the BPA.

Next year, I'd extend Merci, see if Clowney is viable, but deal with the OLBR then.

What do you guys think?

What do I think? I think it exceeds the ridiculous that talk about the draft can't be included in the regular forum. It concerns the Texans beyond measure.

I further think no QB available this year is worth trading up for. I take Petty if he's still available and try to trade Hoyer. Otherwise we desperately need a center and a wide receiver with speed. Later on we get a TE and some linebackers. Finally a safety or CB.

 

[Mollywhopper]

What do I think? I think it exceeds the ridiculous that talk about the draft can't be included in the regular forum. It concerns the Texans beyond measure.

I further think no QB available this year is worth trading up for. I take Petty if he's still available and try to trade Hoyer. Otherwise we desperately need a center and a wide receiver with speed. Later on we get a TE and some linebackers. Finally a safety or CB.

If he's still available when?

 

[badboy]

Of course they did. That’s the ultimate ridiculous assertion. They had #1. They had at their will any player in the draft.



You always have full faith in whatever nameless backup is on the roster at a position you don't want to draft.

Bouye will just slide right in for JJo., no need to draft CB before throwaway picks.

Undrafted 1 tackle Bullough will take over for Cush.

Almost forgot - even injured Posey will take over for AJ.

You frequently make ridiculous comments and when called on them just argue to argue. You so funny! I did not say they could not draft any player they wanted. I said Texans before making the pick could not look back (hindsight) and see how the pick worked out as we all do since the draft.

Point # 2 and you know this, I mocked Trae Waynes #16 long time ago. As time progressed, I came to believe Bouye could replace Joseph now and I still think so; there is no need to do so until after this season. It also now seems likely Waynes is gone before #16.

Just to clarify, I never said Bullough replace Cush anytime soon but rather when Cush can no longer do his job. I watch Bullough in college and he has skill sets to one day be the man at ILB.

How about providing where I said Posey would replace AJ? I do not recall that. I " always have full faith in whatever nameless backup is on the roster at a position you don't want to draft." Really? Always? When I post a mock I think I give pretty sound reasons why I choose players even if you do not agree.


Most of us mock players, you mock posters. Hooray for you

 

[thunderkyss]

O'Brien says he values a QB that is accurate. Then goes and signs Brian Hoyer, the leagues least accurate starting QB. Not really sure what to make of what O'Brien says, then does.

Accuracy is a funny thing. We judge a QB's "accuracy" based on his receivers ability to catch the ball. Not that I think Hoyer is an accurate QB... but I expect Hoyer's accuracy to improve just like Fitzpatrick's.

 

[badboy]

I agree, you never know what you're getting in the draft till you hit the field. However, there is some statistical relation between how high a player goes and how good he will be. I know it's not perfect, but it is definitely there.

We NEED a QB. Those who think we are ever going to make the SB without a great QB are simply wrong. QB's are not the whole answer, of course, but can you imagine how different history would be if we had done everything we could and drafted Luck, or picked up Manning.

We don't need another pass rushing LB'er. True we do need depth, but that can be had without using a 1st round pick to get it.

I meant we would give Tenn our second this year (as our first, #16, would then go to Tenn.) And, give Tenn our first next year---which would mean they would have 2 first round picks next year. A pretty good deal, especially, if they want to give Mettenberger another year and figure they could trade out of one of their 1st rnd picks next year to pick up somebody better.

Regardless if Jones works out at Center, we need Oline help. Then a good young ILB. Bullough is promising but we have 2 ILB's. THEN a depth adding OLB'er. Just my opinion.

well we will find out who is right if Texans draft QB in top 3 rounds. I think Texans as well as I feel we have our current and future QB on roster and though we know little about them we know the same about whomever we would draft. You and I disagree on that. You are wrong in thinking we cannot get to SB with what we have. We don't need a QB as we have at least one and maybe three although I have not convinced on Hoyer. I believe it is careless to say a player from a successful team would necessarily do as well on Texans; much more to it than that.

OLB, I agree and have us taking two in late rounds for now.

Thanks for clarifying trade. While that is a good offer, I think some one will offer more.

I agree we need depth on Oline and OBrien has said so. I think he will pick someone late as I do with Andrew Donnal in 6th and for now Grasu in 2nd (I am ambivalent on this as OBrien should have signed a FA if he was hesitant on what he has).

 

[badboy]

Because the going market is next years first is worth no more than this years second. That's the way it's been, it is and it will be

If you wouldn't give up a first for Rivers (being in our position, or that of the Titans)
imo you're nuts

I do agree that a "round this year would be like getting one round higher in following year" is the usual measurement. I do have trouble agreeing that measurement is a one size fits all.

 

[JB]

I do agree that a "round this year would be like getting one round higher in following year" is the usual measurement. I do have trouble agreeing that measurement is a one size fits all.

agreed, but if you're trying to move up 14 spots I think that's the best you can count on

 

[infantrycak]

You frequently make ridiculous comments and when called on them just argue to argue. You so funny! I did not say they could not draft any player they wanted. I said Texans before making the pick could not look back (hindsight) and see how the pick worked out as we all do since the draft.

May have been what you meant. Wasn't what you said.

Point # 2 and you know this, I mocked Trae Waynes #16 long time ago. As time progressed, I came to believe Bouye could replace Joseph now and I still think so; there is no need to do so until after this season. It also now seems likely Waynes is gone before #16.

You've mocked about every position besides punter. Makes no difference as you have repeatedly said losing JJo or KJ is no big deal because Bouye or Morris will step in. They are Petey Faggins - above average depth who will be below average starters.

And you display a wait to the last minute attitude - if we don't need a starter this year skip it. Much better to take a CB this year and not have to start him immediately.

Just to clarify, I never said Bullough replace Cush anytime soon but rather when Cush can no longer do his job. I watch Bullough in college and he has skill sets to one day be the man at ILB.

You appear to have some theory that a year of seasoning equates to 1-2 rounds of draft pick selection. Doesn't work that way. Bullough is an under athletic 2 down thumper who likely scratches out a special teams career for a few years.

How about providing where I said Posey would replace AJ? I do not recall that.

Get serious.

Accuracy is a funny thing. We judge a QB's "accuracy" based on his receivers ability to catch the ball. Not that I think Hoyer is an accurate QB... but I expect Hoyer's accuracy to improve just like Fitzpatrick's.

Accuracy not completion percentage. Fitz bumped for former and sucked at the latter.

Carr led the league in completion percentage with one year of Kubiak. Not the same thing.

 

[infantrycak]

You are wrong in thinking we cannot get to SB with what we have. We don't need a QB as we have at least one and maybe three although I have not convinced on Hoyer.

We are not even in sniffing distance of the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens who won a SB arguably without a QB.

Those were epic of all time Ds. Ours was pretty good last year. Not even close to dominant last year.

 

[JB]

We are not even in sniffing distance of the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens who won a SB arguably without a QB.

Those were epic of all time Ds. Ours was pretty good last year. Not even close to dominant last year.

Yes but we're gonna be the '15 Texans

Our WWE line will be dominant

(Mario Edwards Jr in the second)

 

[badboy]

May have been what you meant. Wasn't what you said. Here again is what I said Originally Posted by badboy View Post
"We can look back at decisions like Bridgewater and Clowney and in hindsight
& give our two cents; this is okay but Texans did not have that option before the decision was made."I said we could use hindsight now. There is no way you can have hindsight until the player was selected. You changed it to Texans could have drafted anyone. Of course but still would not have know how any player would work out.



You've mocked about every position besides punter. Makes no difference as you have repeatedly said losing JJo or KJ is no big deal because Bouye or Morris will step in. They are Petey Faggins - above average depth who will be below average starters. I have said that Bouye or Morris could replace KJ if he went elsewhere or Joseph if he was cut/traded and I still believe that. You don't, so what?

And you display a wait to the last minute attitude - if we don't need a starter this year skip it. Much better to take a CB this year and not have to start him immediately. There is no reason to select a CB top 4 rounds as we have good starters and very good depth. We have too many needs to go corner until later as no college CB would beat out KJ or Joseph rookie year. This position is deep on our roster. We don't need a drafted starter now and probably not next draft.



You appear to have some theory that a year of seasoning equates to 1-2 rounds of draft pick selection. Doesn't work that way. Bullough is an under athletic 2 down thumper who likely scratches out a special teams career for a few years. I said he would replace Cush in the future and I also think Cush can play two more seasons after this if not injured again. Bullough has same lateral movement as Cushing and experience will make him better as Brian gets 2-3 more seasons on him


Get serious.



Accuracy not completion percentage. Fitz bumped for former and sucked at the latter.

Carr led the league in completion percentage with one year of Kubiak. Not the same thing.

My response in blue.

 

[JB]

My response in blue.

There is no reason to select a CB top 4 rounds as we have good starters and very good depth. We have too many needs to go corner until later as no college CB would beat out KJ or Joseph rookie year. This position is deep on our roster. We don't need a drafted starter now and probably not next draft.

This is where I think BPA comes into play. If a top corner fell to us early and has the potential to be a #1 CB, you take him without fail even if it's not your top position of need. That's how you get better

 

[badboy]

This is where I think BPA comes into play. If a top corner fell to us early and has the potential to be a #1 CB, you take him without fail even if it's not your top position of need. That's how you get better

Going to disagree again. Man I am contrary. Here are guys I think that equal Trae Waynes (highest rated corner).

Parker if there, Malcom Brown, Landon Collins, Gurley and maybe Strong.

BPA (arguably) would be Parker. If he is not there, BPA is Brown (arguably). If Waynes were there, I would not select him over Brown as I think my guy plays more and starts sooner than Waynes.

If one thought Collins were BPA, we have no need to draft safety that high. We can get a very good safety later. This is where need trumps BPA. For me you have to look at who is available and what needs are.

 

[JB]

Going to disagree again. Man I am contrary. Here are guys I think that equal Trae Waynes (highest rated corner).

Parker if there, Malcom Brown, Landon Collins, Gurley and maybe Strong.

BPA (arguably) would be Parker. If he is not there, BPA is Brown (arguably). If Waynes were there, I would not select him over Brown as I think my guy plays more and starts sooner than Waynes.

If one thought Collins were BPA, we have no need to draft safety that high. We can get a very good safety later. This is where need trumps BPA. For me you have to look at who is available and what needs are.

That's what I was trying to get at. If Parker is gone and Brown is gone do yui take Waynes if he's there? If he's significantly higher than next available player on your board you do. I'm not saying move him up your board but don't move him down because it's not your greatest need

 

[Lambert]

Because the going market is next years first is worth no more than this years second. That's the way it's been, it is and it will be

If you wouldn't give up a first for Rivers (being in our position, or that of the Titans)
imo you're nuts

What a first round pick next year is worth depends on demand. If a team (Tenn) needs one more year to look at a QB they traded up to get and can get 2 first round picks next year by trading out of a 'Pick your favorite QB" position this year, 2 first round picks next year may be exactly what the Dr ordered.

 

[JB]

What a first round pick next year is worth depends on demand. If a team (Tenn) needs one more year to look at a QB they traded up to get and can get 2 first round picks next year by trading out of a 'Pick your favorite QB" position this year, 2 first round picks next year may be exactly what the Dr ordered.

Ok. I don't think it's realistic at all considering what it has taken to move less than 10 spots. But you keep on trucking with your fantasy league ideas my friend

ie. this is what Wash had to give up to move up 4 spots to get RGIII

In a predraft blockbuster trade, the St. Louis Rams have agreed in principle to send the second overall pick in this year's draft to the Washington Redskins for three first-round draft picks and a second-round pick.

In the deal, the Rams will receive the Redskins' No. 6 overall pick this year, as well as the Redskins' first-round picks in 2013 and 2014. The Rams also will receive Washington's second-round pick this year in return for the second overall pick that the Redskins now will use on whichever quarterback the Indianapolis Colts do not draft No. 1 overall.

link

And yet you expect the Titans to move 14 spots for nothing close to that? I know it's the Titans, but come on man

 

[Lambert]

Ok. I don't think it's realistic at all considering what it has taken to move less than 10 spots. But you keep on trucking with your fantasy league ideas my friend

ie. this is what Wash had to give up to move up 4 spots to get RGIII





link

And yet you expect the Titans to move 14 spots for nothing close to that? I know it's the Titans, but come on man

Yes, but Washington really (really) wanted RGIII. Tenn doesn't think they want either Mariotta or Winston at this point.

A man dying of thirst will probably pay more for a bottle of water than I would---so there's your "market".

 

[JB]

Yes, but Washington really (really) wanted RGIII. Tenn doesn't think they want either Mariotta or Winston at this point.

A man dying of thirst will probably pay more for a bottle of water than I would---so there's your "market".

But the demand side is much higher also. According to reports, Mariota is coveted by PHI, STL, CHI, CLE, and possibly TENN themselves. Like I said, carry on with your dream

edit: oh yeah, the most likely team is SD

 

[Lambert]

But the demand side is much higher also. According to reports, Mariota is coveted by PHI, STL, CHI, CLE, and possibly TENN themselves. Like I said, carry on with your dream

edit: oh yeah, the most likely team is SD

Why the "carry on with your dream" nonsense? PHI just traded for Bradford. Likewise, St Louis just got Foles, CLE has Johnny and the 19th pick! And CHI has Cutler and needs a WR.

And if Rivers is such a great QB, why is SD a most likely prospect?

 

[ObsiWan]

Why the "carry on with your dream" nonsense? PHI just traded for Bradford. Likewise, St Louis just got Foles, CLE has Johnny and the 19th pick! And CHI has Cutler and needs a WR.

And if Rivers is such a great QB, why is SD a most likely prospect?

cause it's time for them to bring in his successor.

right now they have Kellen Clemons, a cast off from the Jets, and Sorensen, a 7th rd pick from So. Utah. Neither looks like the future to me.

 

[bah007]

Tennessee's GM would absolutely get fired if he accepted a deal like that. That's outrageously under value, especially when you consider what St. Louis just got a few years ago.

That's trading back just to trade back. There's no reason for them to do it.

 

[Lambert]

cause it's time for them to bring in his successor.

right now they have Kellen Clemons, a cast off from the Jets, and Sorensen, a 7th rd pick from So. Utah. Neither looks like the future to me.

That's why I said I wouldn't give a first for Rivers---he's fast approaching his "best by" date.

 

[JB]

That's why I said I wouldn't give a first for Rivers---he's fast approaching his "best by" date.

You wouldn't give up a 1st for near elite level QB play for 3-4 years?

 

[infantrycak]

That's why I said I wouldn't give a first for Rivers---he's fast approaching his "best by" date.

So what? Dude's a 5 time probowler. If you could get him for just a 1st do it in a heartbeat.

 

[ObsiWan]

That's why I said I wouldn't give a first for Rivers---he's fast approaching his "best by" date.

Thing is, right now, he'd be the best QB on this roster.

...of course, it's moot. O'Brien has already promised Hoyer and Mallett it would be the two of them battling for the starter's job. And he wouldn't want to upset the vets in the locker room by bringing in a guy who could beat them both.

 

[Lambert]

Thing is, right now, he'd be the best QB on this roster.

...of course, it's moot. O'Brien has already promised Hoyer and Mallett it would be the two of them battling for the starter's job. And he wouldn't want to upset the vets in the locker room by bringing in a guy who could beat them both.

I agree, and probably why we're not going to after that franchise QB in the draft---a-gain!