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[ObsiWan]

Do you think he might fall to us? If so, would you take him over all other prospects that might fall to us?

Now this is where your need discussion kicks in. Does this guy fill a more important need than "all the other prospects" under consideration?

 

[Playoffs]

Some teams stacked their boards thusly...

Stacked Offense

Stacked Defense

Then use practice drafts for arguing the merit of 2nd OLB vs 5th WR vs 2nd CB (equal grades) if/when that decision situation arises.

They'll also flag every "medical" player and every "character issues" player.


Then during the draft they talk about his good looking girlfriend & cockfidence...

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[TexansSeminole]

Do you think he might fall to us? If so, would you take him over all other prospects that might fall to us?

Not over all prospects, but I would be highly excited to get him.

 

[JB]

Some teams stacked their boards thusly...

Stacked Defense

Then use practice drafts for arguing the merit of 2nd OLB vs 5th WR vs 2nd CB (equal grades) if/when that decision situation arises.

They'll also flag every "medical" player and every "character issues" player.


Then during the draft they talk about his good looking girlfriend & cockfidence...

I didn't communicate it well, but this is kinda what I was talking about. Whereas this specific team had a boatload of DE listed in first round and no LB, we might have a boatload of LB listed and few DE but more CB and S. Or maybe a boatload of DT and CB with few DE or LB...

 

[ObsiWan]

Some teams stacked their boards thusly...

Stacked Offense

Now does this listing indicate that they think only the guys listed are worthy of drafting in round X or that they aren't "shopping" for the empty positions?

 

[thunderkyss]

Now does this listing indicate that they think only the guys listed are worthy of drafting in round X or that they aren't "shopping" for the empty positions?

Just a guess, but if you look at Round 1 offense, you'll see most of the blanks are for positions not tradionally taken in the first round. FB, TE, OG, C... I'm sure if there was a Gronk in this class, he'd be there.


Playoffs, good find. Thanks for posting.

 

[ObsiWan]

Just a guess, but if you look at Round 1 offense, you'll see most of the blanks are for positions not tradionally taken in the first round. FB, TE, OG, C... I'm sure if there was a Gronk in this class, he'd be there.


Playoffs, good find. Thanks for posting.

From the looks of this board, they don't think there are any OGs, OCs, or FBs worthy of taking in the first three rounds. While that may be true this draft, I find it hard to believe - resident draftniks please tell me if you agree/disagree. Seems to me like they aren't shopping for those positions so those spots weren't included on their board.
I, too, am just guessing.

 

[Playoffs]

Now does this listing indicate that they think only the guys listed are worthy of drafting in round X or that they aren't "shopping" for the empty positions?

It's only an example of how teams stack draft boards, not to be relied upon for anything more than that...

But to your question, the above would be an overall board. So if there's no C in Round 1, they don't have one rated there. Notice the ratings numbers... 90s in Round 1, 80s in Round 2, 70s in Round 3.

 

[bah007]

QB
1. Marcus Mariota – QB, Oregon
2. Jameis Winston – QB, Florida St
3. Garrett Grayson – QB, Colorado St
4. Brett Hundley – QB, UCLA
5. Bryce Petty – QB, Baylor
6. Shane Carden – QB, ECU
7. Brandon Bridge – QB, South Alabama
8. Sean Mannion – QB, Oregon St
9. Gary Nova – QB, Rutgers
10. Bo Wallace – QB, Ole Miss
11. Blake Frohnapfel – QB, Massachusetts
12. Taylor Kelly – QB, Arizona St
13. Cody Fajardo – QB, Nevada
14. Brian Bennett – QB, Southeastern Louisiana
15. Andrew Manley – QB, Eastern Illinois
16. Tyler Heinicke – QB, Old Dominion
17. Jerry Lovelocke – QB, Prairie View A&M
18. Dylan Thompson – QB, South Carolina
19. Hutson Mason – QB, Georgia
20. Blake Sims – QB, Alabama

RB
1. Tevin Coleman – RB, Indiana
2. Jay Ajayi – RB, Boise St
3. Todd Gurley – RB, Georgia
4. Melvin Gordon – RB, Wisconsin
5. Javorius Allen – RB, USC
6. Jeremy Langford – RB, Michigan St
7. David Johnson – RB, Northern Iowa
8. Ameer Abdullah – RB, Nebraska
9. Duke Johnson – RB, Miami
10. Cameron Artis-Payne – RB, Auburn
11. Mike Davis – RB, South Carolina
12. T.J. Yeldon – RB, Alabama
13. Matt Jones – RB, Florida
14. Josh Robinson – RB, Mississippi St
15. John Crockett – RB, North Dakota St
16. David Cobb – RB, Minnesota
17. Malcolm Brown – RB, Texas
18. Dominique Brown – RB, Louisville
19. Karlos Williams – RB, Florida St
20. Michael Dyer – RB, Louisville
21. Terrance Magee – RB, LSU
22. Kevin Parks – RB, Virginia
23. Zach Zenner – RB, South Dakota St
24. Kenny Hilliard – RB, LSU
25. Marcus Murphy – RB, Missouri
26. Malcolm Agnew – RB, Southern Illinois
27. Dreamius Smith – RB, West Virginia
28. Dee Hart – RB, Colorado St
29. Trey Williams – RB, Texas A&M
30. Thomas Rawls – RB, Central Michigan

FB
1. Jalston Fowler – FB, Alabama
2. Tyler Varga – FB, Yale
3. Conner Neighbors – FB, LSU
4. Hunter Joyer – FB, Florida
5. Aaron Ripkowski – FB, Oklahoma
6. Trayion Durham – FB, Kent St
7. Zach Zwinak – FB, Penn St
8. Malcolm Johnson – FB, Mississippi St
9. Mark Weisman – FB, Iowa
10. Tyler Purvis – FB, North Carolina St

WR
1. DeVante Parker – WR, Louisville
2. Kevin White – WR, West Virginia
3. Jaelen Strong – WR, Arizona St
4. Breshad Perriman – WR, UCF
5. Dorial Green-Beckham – WR, Oklahoma
6. Devin Funchess – WR, Michigan
7. Ty Montgomery – WR, Stanford
8. Sammie Coates – WR, Auburn
9. Vince Mayle – WR, Washington St
10. Deontay Greenberry – WR, Houston
11. Jordan Taylor – WR, Rice
12. Dezmin Lewis – WR, Central Arkansas
13. Dres Anderson – WR, Utah
14. Austin Hill – WR, Arizona
15. Devante Davis – WR, UNLV
16. Evan Spencer – WR, Ohio St
17. Devin Gardner – WR, Michigan
18. Cam Worthy – WR, ECU
19. Matt Miller – WR, Boise St
20. Jake Kumerow – WR, Wisconsin-Whitewater
21. Michael Bennett – WR, Georgia
22. Jordan Leslie – WR, BYU
23. Kasen Williams – WR, Washington
24. Bud Sasser – WR, Missouri
25. Darren Waller – WR, Georgia Tech

SLOT WR
1. Amari Cooper – WRS, Alabama
2. Nelson Agholor – WRS, USC
3. Rashad Greene – WRS, Florida St
4. Tre McBride – WRS, William & Mary
5. Devin Smith – WRS, Ohio St
6. Josh Harper – WRS, Fresno St
7. Tony Lippett – WRS, Michigan St
8. Phillip Dorsett – WRS, Miami
9. Justin Hardy – WRS, ECU
10. Tyler Lockett – WRS, Kansas St
11. Jamison Crowder – WRS, Duke
12. Stefon Diggs – WRS, Maryland
13. Kenny Bell – WRS, Nebraska
14. George Farmer – WRS, USC
15. Antwan Goodley – WRS, Baylor
16. Titus Davis – WRS, Central Michigan
17. Rannell Hall – WRS, UCF
18. Chris Harper – WRS, California
19. Mario Alford – WRS, West Virginia
20. Levi Norwood – WRS, Baylor
21. Donatella Luckett – WRS, Harding
22. Vince Sanders – WRS, Ole Miss
23. Keanon Lowe – WRS, Oregon
24. DeAndrew White – WR, Alabama
25. Deon Long – WRS, Maryland

TE Y
1. Maxx Williams – TE, Minnesota
2. Clive Walford – TE, Miami
3. Jesse James – TE, Penn St
4. Jeff Heuerman – TE, Ohio St
5. Blake Bell – TE, Oklahoma
6. Ben Koyack – TE, Notre Dame
7. Nick Boyle – TE, Delaware
8. Jean Sifrin – TE, Massachusetts
9. C.J. Uzomah – TE, Auburn
10. Devin Mahina – TE, BYU
11. Eric Tomlinson – TE, UTEP
12. Jake McGee – TE, Florida
13. Connor Hamlett – TE, Oregon St
14. Randall Telfer – TE, USC
15. Brian Vogler – TE, Alabama

TE H
1. Nick O’Leary – TE, Florida St
2. Tyler Kroft – TE, Rutgers
3. E.J. Bibbs – TE, Iowa St
4. Gerald Christian – TE, Louisville
5. Wes Saxton – TE, South Alabama
6. De’Marieya Nelson – TE, Arizona St
7. Casey Pierce – TE, Kent St
8. Jimmay Mundine – TE, Kansas
9. Kivon Cartwright – TE, Colorado St
10. MyCole Pruitt – TE, Southern Illinois
11. Sam Arneson – TE, Wisconsin
12. Rory Anderson – TE, South Carolina

OT
1. Andrus Peat – LT, Stanford
2. La’el Collins – RT, LSU
3. Ereck Flowers – RT, Miami
4. Jake Fisher – LT, Oregon
5. Donovan Smith – RT, Penn St
6. Jeremiah Poutasi – RT, Utah
7. T.J. Clemmings – OT, Pittsburgh
8. D.J. Humphries – LT, Florida
9. Daryl Williams – RT, Oklahoma
10. Ty Sambrailo – OT, Colorado St
11. Tyrus Thompson – RT, Oklahoma
12. Sean Hickey – LT, Syracuse
13. Cedric Ogbuehi – LT, Texas A&M
14. Darrian Miller – LT, Kentucky
15. Corey Robinson – RT, South Carolina
16. Mickey Baucus – LT, Arizona
17. Mitch Morse – OT, Missouri
18. Eric Lefeld – RT, Cincinnati
19. Terry Poole – RT, San Diego St
20. Brett Boyko – OT, UNLV
21. Austin Shepherd – RT, Alabama
22. Jack Rummels – LT, Northern Iowa
23. Tayo Fabuluje – RT, TCU
24. Rob Havenstein – RT, Wisconsin
25. Andrew Donnal – OT, Iowa

OG
1. Brandon Scherff – OG, Iowa
2. A.J. Cann – LG, South Carolina
3. Laken Tomlinson – RG, Duke
4. Robert Myers – RG, Tennessee St
5. Jamil Douglas – LG, Arizona St
6. Arie Kouandijo – LG, Alabama
7. Josue Matias – OG, Florida St
8. Ali Marpet – LG, Hobart
9. Tre Jackson – RG, Florida St
10. John Miller – RG, Louisville
11. Adam Shead – RG, Oklahoma
12. Miles Diffenbach – LG, Penn St
13. Jamon Brown – RG, Louisville
14. Chris Jasperse – LG, Marshall
15. Jarvis Harrison – OG, Texas A&M
16. Jon Feliciano – RG, Miami
17. Tyler Moore – OG, Florida
18. Aundrey Walker – OG, USC
19. Matt Rotheram – RG, Pittsburgh
20. Torrian Wilson – LG, UCF
21. Bill Vavau – RG, Utah St
22. Malcolm Bunche – OG, UCLA
23. Ben Beckwith – LG, Mississippi St
24. Terrence Jones – RG, Troy
25. Leon Brown – OG, Alabama

C
1. Cameron Erving – C, Florida St
2. Hroniss Grasu – C, Oregon
3. Andy Gallik – C, Boston College
4. Reese Dismukes – C, Auburn
5. B.J. Finney – C, Kansas St
6. Greg Mancz – C, Toledo
7. Jake Smith – C, Louisville
8. Brandon Vitabile – C, Northwestern
9. Tom Farniok – C, Iowa St
10. David Andrews – C, Georgia
11. Elliott Porter – C, LSU
12. Chad Lindsay – C, Ohio St

K
1. Jared Roberts – K, Colorado St
2. Justin Manton – K, Louisiana-Monroe
3. Sam Ficken – K, Penn St
4. Niklas Slade – K, North Carolina St
5. Shawn Moffitt – K, UCF

 

[bah007]

DE
1. Leonard Williams – DE, USC
2. Arik Armstead – DE, Oregon
3. Malcom Brown – DE, Texas
4. Mario Edwards – DE, Florida St
5. Xavier Cooper – DE, Washington St
6. Anthony Chickillo – DE, Miami
7. Henry Anderson – DE, Stanford
8. Travis Riciti – DE, San Jose St
9. Michael Bennett – DE, Ohio St
10. Christian Covington – DE, Rice
11. Gabe Wright – DE, Auburn
12. Tyeler Davison – DE, Fresno St
13. Cedric Reed – DE, Texas
14. Grady Jarrett – DE, Clemson
15. Preston Smith – DE, Mississippi St
16. Marcus Hardison – DE, Arizona St
17. B.J. Dubose – DE, Louisville
18. Ray Drew – DE, Georgia
19. Brian Mihalik – DE, Boston College
20. Jordan Williams – DE, Tennessee
21. James Castleman – DE, Oklahoma St
22. Kaleb Eulls – DE, Mississippi St
23. Derrick Lott – DE, Chattanooga
24. Leon Orr – DE, Florida
25. B.J. Larsen – DE, Utah St
26. Warren Herring – DE, Wisconsin
27. Desmond Hollin – DE, Florida St
28. Byron Bennett – DE, Ole Miss
29. Louis Trinca-Pasat – DE, Iowa
30. P.J. Jones – DE, Mississippi St

NT
1. Danny Shelton – NT, Washington
2. Jordan Phillips – NT, Oklahoma
3. Eddie Goldman – NT, Florida St
4. Carl Davis – NT, Iowa
5. Ellis McCarthy – NT, UCLA
6. Joey Mbu – NT, Houston
7. Xavier Williams – NT, Northern Iowa
8. Chucky Hunter – NT, TCU
9. Terry Williams – NT, ECU
10. Brandon Ivory – NT, Alabama
11. J.T. Surrat – NT, South Carolina
12. Darius Kilgo – NT, Maryland
13. David Parry – NT, Stanford
14. Rakeem Nunez-Roches – NT, Southern Miss
15. Jeffrey Whitaker – NT, Auburn

OLB
1. Randy Gregory – WOLB, Nebraska
2. Shane Ray – SOLB, Missouri
3. Dante Fowler – SOLB, Florida
4. Vic Beasley – SOLB, Clemson
5. Alvin Dupree – OLB, Kentucky
6. Nate Orchard – WOLB, Utah
7. Hau’Oli Kikaha – SOLB, Washington
8. Benardrick McKinney – OLB, Mississippi St
9. Danielle Hunter – WOLB, LSU
10. Markus Golden – SOLB, Missouri
11. Owamagbe Odighizuwa – WOLB, UCLA
12. Lorenzo Mauldin – OLB, Louisville
13. Tony Washington – SOLB, Oregon
14. Eli Harold – OLB, Virginia
15. Lynden Trail – WOLB, Norfolk St
16. Max Valles – OLB, Virginia
17. Za’Darius Smith – WOLB, Kentucky
18. Geneo Grissom – WOLB, Oklahoma
19. Deion Barnes – WOLB, Penn St
20. Shaquille Riddick – WOLB, West Virginia
21. Corey Crawford – WOLB, Clemson
22. James Rouse – WOLB, Marshall
23. Trey Flowers – WOLB, Arkansas
24. C.J. Olaniyan – SOLB, Penn St
25. James Vaughters – SOLB, Stanford
26. Andrew Hudson – OLB, Washington
27. Xzavier Dickson – WOLB, Alabama
28. Zach Wagenmann – WOLB, Montana
29. Darius Philon – WOLB, Arkansas
30. Jermauria Rasco – OLB, LSU

ILB
1. Eric Kendricks – ILB, UCLA
2. Denzel Perryman – SILB, Miami
3. Stephone Anthony – SILB, Clemson
4. Paul Dawson – WILB, TCU
5. Hayes Pullard – ILB, USC
6. Ramik Wilson – SILB, Georgia
7. Taiwan Jones – SILB, Michigan St
8. Zach Hodges – ILB, Harvard
9. Mike Hull – WILB, Penn St
10. Jordan Hicks – ILB, Texas
11. Kwon Alexander – WILB, LSU
12. Ben Heeney – SILB, Kansas
13. Shaq Thompson – WILB, Washington
14. Martrell Spaight – ILB, Arkansas
15. J.R. Tavai – ILB, USC
16. Jake Ryan – ILB, Michigan
17. Trey DePriest – SILB, Alabama
18. A.J. Johnson – SILB, Tennessee
19. Michael Taylor – ILB, Florida
20. Davis Tull – ILB, Chattanooga
21. Terrance Plummer – SILB, UCF
22. Curtis Grant – SILB, Ohio St
23. Amarlo Herrera – SILB, Georgia
24. Jeff Luc – SILB, Cincinnati
25. AJ Tarpley – ILB, Stanford
26. Tony Steward – WILB, Clemson
27. Reshard Cliett – WILB, South Florida
28. Quayshawn Nealy – ILB, Georgia Tech
29. Bryce Hager – ILB, Baylor
30. Maurice Falls – ILB, ECU

CB
1. P.J. Williams – CB, Florida St
2. Quinten Rollins – CB, Miami University
3. Trae Waynes – CB, Michigan St
4. Marcus Peters – CB, Washington
5. Jalen Collins – CB, LSU
6. Kevin Johnson – CB, Wake Forest
7. Alex Carter – CB, Stanford
8. Jacoby Glenn – CB, UCF
9. Senquez Golson – CB, Ole Miss
10. Lorenzo Doss – CB, Tulane
11. Ladarius Gunter – CB, Miami
12. Charles Gaines – CB, Louisville
13. Cam Thomas – CB, Western Kentucky
14. Ronald Darby – CB, Florida St
15. Eric Rowe – CB, Utah
16. Steven Nelson – CB, Oregon St
17. JaCorey Shepherd – CB, Kansas
18. Kevin White – CB, TCU
19. Doran Grant – CB, Ohio St
20. D’Joun Smith – CB, Florida Atlantic
21. Bernard Blake – CB, Colorado St
22. Byron Jones – CB, Connecticut
23. Curtis Riley – CB, Fresno St
24. Damian Swann – CB, Georgia
25. Josh Shaw – CB, USC
26. Imoan Claiborne – CB, Northwestern St
27. Craig Mager – CB, Texas St
28. Bryce Callahan – CB, Rice
29. Troy Hill – CB, Oregon
30. SaQwan Edwards – CB, New Mexico
31. Julian Wilson – CB, Oklahoma
32. Justin Coleman – CB, Tennessee
33. Demetrious Nicholson – CB, Virginia
34. Tye Smith – CB, Towson
35. Deshazor Everett – CB, Texas A&M
36. Merrill Noel – CB, Wake Forest
37. Garry Peters – CB, Clemson
38. Deonte Flowers – CB, Montana St
39. Jonathan McKnight – CB, Arizona
40. Dexter McDonald – CB, Kansas

FS
1. Cody Prewitt – FS, Ole Miss
2. Derron Smith – FS, Fresno St
3. Chris Hackett – FS, TCU
4. Karl Joseph – FS, West Virginia
5. Gerod Holliman – FS, Louisville
6. Damarious Randall – FS, Arizona St
7. Anthony Harris – FS, Virginia
8. James Sample – FS, Louisville
9. Kurtis Drummond – FS, Michigan St
10. Durrell Eskridge – FS, Syracuse
11. Dechane Durante – FS, Northern Illinois
12. Dean Marlowe – FS, James Madison
13. Brian Blechen – FS, Utah
14. Ryan Murphy – FS, Oregon St
15. Justin Cox – FS, Mississippi St
16. Anthony Jefferson – FS, UCLA
17. Kyshoen Jarrett – FS, Virginia Tech
18. Brandon Alexander – FS, UCF
19. Jermaine Whitehead – FS, Auburn
20. Jared Tevis – FS, Arizona

SS
1. Landon Collins – SS, Alabama
2. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu – SS, Oregon
3. Jaquiski Tartt – SS, Samford
4. Jordan Richards – SS, Stanford
5. Adrian Amos – SS, Penn St
6. Quandre Diggs – SS, Texas
7. Ibraheim Campbell – SS, Northwestern
8. Clayton Geathers – SS, UCF
9. Ronald Martin – SS, LSU
10. Erick Dargan – SS, Oregon
11. De’Ante Saunders – SS, Tennessee St
12. Cody Riggs – SS, Notre Dame
13. Isaiah Johnson – SS, Georgia Tech
14. Sam Carter – SS, TCU
15. Tra’Mayne Bondurant – SS, Arizona

P
1. Kyle Loomis – P, Portland St
2. Darragh O’Neil – P, Colorado
3. Mike Sadler – P, Michigan St
4. Wil Baumann – P, North Carolina St
5. Spencer Roth – P, Baylor

 

[ObsiWan]

It's only an example of how teams stack draft boards, not to be relied upon for anything more than that...

But to your question, the above would be an overall board. So if there's no C in Round 1, they don't have one rated there. Notice the ratings numbers... 90s in Round 1, 80s in Round 2, 70s in Round 3.

Aaaah... thanks. That helps me a lot.

 

[WolverineFan]

Just a heads up bah007 but Jake McGee got a medical waiver to return to Florida for a 6th year.

 

[steelbtexan]

Bah, check out some of North Carolina St. Rob Crisp and tell me what you think.

I think he's going to do very well at the combine in tests and interviews. He's special the way he moves at his size.

Thanks for the updated big board.

 

[thunderkyss]

Thanks bah007.

Everyone else who still wants to participate, how do you want to go from here? Do you want to take bah007's list & consolidate to one list, or do you want to go through his list first, regrade/rank them, then consolidate to a big board?

 

[bah007]

Just a heads up bah007 but Jake McGee got a medical waiver to return to Florida for a 6th year.

He gets another waiver? Didn't he just get one for his fifth year to transfer from Virginia? Lucky guy.

Thanks for the heads up. I feel like he's been in college for almost a decade.

 

[bah007]

Bah, check out some of North Carolina St. Rob Crisp and tell me what you think.

I think he's going to do very well at the combine in tests and interviews. He's special the way he moves at his size.

Thanks for the updated big board.

Crisp is on my radar and I would definitely bring him to camp. But I wouldn't use a draft pick on him. He's missed more games than he's played. That kind of injury history is scary.

 

[Marshall]

No doubt but I doubt the Texans or any other team leave guys off their big board because they think they will go before they pick. If we are going to this why not do it right? Either way is fine with me but I would rather be thorough.

You need 16 names to have a big board for the first Texans pick. The probability that they won't be there is fundamental to the procedure. Only one is likely to be there, but that is all you need. you never know when a higher ranked play may be there.

 

[WolverineFan]

He gets another waiver? Didn't he just get one for his fifth year to transfer from Virginia? Lucky guy.

Thanks for the heads up. I feel like he's been in college for almost a decade.

Yea he got a waiver as a grad transfer to Florida and then got a medical for breaking his leg in the first game and missing the entire season.

Lucky for him that the NCAA granted it, but he's just fortunate to be playing at a big time program. If he played for Florida Atlantic I can almost guarantee that his request would have been denied. The NCAA is so inconsistent across the board with these rulings and they tend to be more much more lenient with waivers when big programs are concerned.

 

[Uncle Rico]

I'm hoping the front office spends high picks on ILB,DB,WR after that fill in depth.

 

[Marshall]

Is DE one of our top needs? A first round type of need?

BPA - Its the old accentuate the positive vs eliminate the negative thing made easy.

 

[steelbtexan]

Crisp is on my radar and I would definitely bring him to camp. But I wouldn't use a draft pick on him. He's missed more games than he's played. That kind of injury history is scary.

You could do worse than spending a 6-7th rd pick on a guy with Crisp's abilities.

 

[bah007]

You could do worse than spending a 6-7th rd pick on a guy with Crisp's abilities.

I agree. I'm not against him, he's just not a guy I would target in the draft. I search for guys that are low risk/high reward, and I don't see Crisp that way.

 

[Playoffs]

I agree. I'm not against him, he's just not a guy I would target in the draft. I search for guys that are low risk/high reward, and I don't see Crisp that way.

I've been digging on some Nelson Agholor recently...

The way he moves, walks, runs reminds me of someone in the NFL but I can't figure out who it is? Size independent, who is it...?

 

[Lucky]

I've been digging on some Nelson Agholor recently...

The way he moves, walks, runs reminds me of someone in the NFL but I can't figure out who it is? Size independent, who is it...?

Well as a returner, Agholor reminds me of Jacoby Jones. He's a much better receiver than Jones, though.

 

[steelbtexan]

I agree. I'm not against him, he's just not a guy I would target in the draft. I search for guys that are low risk/high reward, and I don't see Crisp that way.

I'm a high risk in rds 6-7 kind of guy. Injury/Character

If they bust out you really haven't lost much. What hurts are the B/T Williams/Montgomery picks in rds 3-4. That's no time to take a chance on a guy unless he has unreal talent, which none of these guys had.

Say if DGB is there in the 3rd I would be willing to take that risk.

 

[bah007]

I've been digging on some Nelson Agholor recently...

The way he moves, walks, runs reminds me of someone in the NFL but I can't figure out who it is? Size independent, who is it...?

I don't know if I have a player comp for Agholor. He's a unique prospect, high school S turned college WR.

What I do know is that I would love to have him as my slot WR.

I had him as a late 1st/early 2nd round prospect at the beginning of the season and I was laughed at (The mighty WalterFootball only had him as a 3rd, and we all know he knows how to evaluate). Now we're nearing the end of the process and I am shocked (not really) that people are starting to jump on the bandwagon.

 

[bah007]

I'm a high risk in rds 6-7 kind of guy. Injury/Character

If they bust out you really haven't lost much. What hurts are the B/T Williams/Montgomery picks in rds 3-4. That's no time to take a chance on a guy unless he has unreal talent, which none of these guys had.

Say if DGB is there in the 3rd I would be willing to take that risk.

To each their own and if we made that move I certainly wouldn't complain about it. It's just not the move I would make if I were in charge.

 

[Marshall]

Perhaps my memory is failing, but weren't we going to put together a TexanTalk Big board based on the Texans perspective (as opposed to predicting the draft itself)?

Or is my memory failing me by inventing something that didn't happen?

Or is it located elsewhere?

 

[infantrycak]

Perhaps my memory is failing, but weren't we going to put together a TexanTalk Big board based on the Texans perspective (as opposed to predicting the draft itself)?

Or is my memory failing me by inventing something that didn't happen?

Or is it located elsewhere?

Check out the search function - try titles only first.

Here it is. It puttered out with folks not able to agree what the project meant.

 

[Marshall]

This is not a Mock and is Texan specific. Still, if it belongs elsewhere, please move it.

1. Leonard Williams DT/DE
2. Dante Fowler OLB/DE
3. Vic Beasley OLB
4. Randy Gregory DE/OLB
5. Shane Ray DE/OLB
6. Brandon Sherff OT/OG
7. Danny Shelton NT
8. Kevin White WR
9. Alvin Dupree DE/OLB
10. Amari Cooper WR
11. DeVonte Parker WR
12. La'el Collins OT/OG
13. Landon Collins SS
14. T. J. Clemmings OT
15. Andrus Pete OT
16. Malcom Brown DT

I don't think either QB is on our big board in the first. But we lose nothing if someone else takes them and moves the other players down toward our pick.

 

[Playoffs]

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107715

 

[Marshall]

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107715

This is close, but not exactly what I was going for. I wanted a Texans centric Big Board, not a TexansTalk consensus which would wind up being another Mock which involves speculation on who other teams would take. I want the Texans top 16 as if they had the top 16 picks.

 

[thunderkyss]

1. Leonard Williams DT/DE
2. Dante Fowler OLB/DE
3. Vic Beasley OLB
4. Randy Gregory DE/OLB
5. Shane Ray DE/OLB
6. Brandon Sherff OT/OG
7. Danny Shelton NT
8. Kevin White WR
9. Alvin Dupree DE/OLB
10. Amari Cooper WR
11. DeVonte Parker WR
12. La'el Collins OT/OG
13. Landon Collins SS
14. T. J. Clemmings OT
15. Andrus Pete OT
16. Malcom Brown DT

I don't think either QB is on our big board in the first. But we lose nothing if someone else takes them and moves the other players down toward our pick.

The biggest problem I have with this is if by chance both Winston & Mariota makes it to 16 (imagine you had Bridgewater & Mettenberger as the best QBS in 2014 or Geno & EJ in 2013)... then you've got to have a discussion that you should have already had... are they better prospects than what's left or not.

Or if they fall to 8... is the value there to trade up?

I'd also believe we'd rate the pro-ready Cooper ahead of the human video game White. & if I were doing a BigBoard there would be no "slash" positions. The guy is an OT or he's an OG. He's a DE or he's a DT. We're projecting them to our team, not for "whatever" team.

 

[infantrycak]

The biggest problem I have with this is if by chance both Winston & Mariota makes it to 16 (imagine you had Bridgewater & Mettenberger as the best QBS in 2014 or Geno & EJ in 2013)... then you've got to have a discussion that you should have already had... are they better prospects than what's left or not.

Or if they fall to 8... is the value there to trade up?

Dead on. This is the fallacy of wiping positions and players off the board entirely.

I'd also believe we'd rate the pro-ready Cooper ahead of the human video game White.

Speaking for the you portion of we.

& if I were doing a BigBoard there would be no "slash" positions. The guy is an OT or he's an OG. He's a DE or he's a DT. We're projecting them to our team, not for "whatever" team.

Agreed.

 

[badboy]

Marshall, I am definitely ok with your thread but disagree that if some of those listed were available #16, I would run to the front waving my paper. Also, that you identify those that can play two positions is also correct way to list as it offers more value. Description of why and which the player should be used can be added in a mock. A true corner like Waynes should be listed only as CB and then a corner like Damian Swann that can and has played safety as well and could be used either way should be identified CB/S. I usually place position I see him playing first if not giving a description. Not all who read these type threads know the players are their positions. Good work.

 

[Marshall]

The biggest problem I have with this is if by chance both Winston & Mariota makes it to 16 (imagine you had Bridgewater & Mettenberger as the best QBS in 2014 or Geno & EJ in 2013)... then you've got to have a discussion that you should have already had... are they better prospects than what's left or not.

Or if they fall to 8... is the value there to trade up?

I'd also believe we'd rate the pro-ready Cooper ahead of the human video game White. & if I were doing a BigBoard there would be no "slash" positions. The guy is an OT or he's an OG. He's a DE or he's a DT. We're projecting them to our team, not for "whatever" team.

Good point on projecting to our team. But we do sometimes project players as multipositional talents who can move as needed.

I still don't think either project QB gets picked with our 1-16 over the players listed. If you want to trade up to the bottom of the first, then that might be an option.

 

[Marshall]

After reading clarifications on the other post. I see we're really talking about the same thing and not something different. A TexansTalk Texans Big Board.

Please merge with the other post by Thunderkyss.

 

[michaelm]

The biggest problem I have with this is if by chance both Winston & Mariota makes it to 16 (imagine you had Bridgewater & Mettenberger as the best QBS in 2014 or Geno & EJ in 2013)... then you've got to have a discussion that you should have already had... are they better prospects than what's left or not.

Or if they fall to 8... is the value there to trade up?

I'd also believe we'd rate the pro-ready Cooper ahead of the human video game White. & if I were doing a BigBoard there would be no "slash" positions. The guy is an OT or he's an OG. He's a DE or he's a DT. We're projecting them to our team, not for "whatever" team.

Dead on. This is the fallacy of wiping positions and players off the board entirely.

I can see not putting them on your board. As long as you know you're going to take either of them if they fall to 16.

 

[thunderkyss]

I can see not putting them on your board. As long as you know you're going to take either of them if they fall to 16.

Then they're really on your board.

 

[michaelm]

Then they're really on your board.

Yeah, that was kinda my joke.

 

[Marshall]

I can see not putting them on your board. As long as you know you're going to take either of them if they fall to 16.

I see what you're saying, but my position is that any player on the list is preferable to either QB. I don't use a positional multiplier like most do.

 

[Marshall]

wtf is as tranch? Isn't that another term for a skank?

I was thinking huge furry spiders...

 

[Marshall]

There seems to be a problem identifying what a TEXANS' Big Board is. It is not a draft or prediction of the draft. It is not broken down by any category.

1. Of all the players in the draft, who would the Texans choose?

The answer is position one on the Texans Draft Board.

2. Of all the players in the draft not already on the Texans Big Board, who would the Texans choose?

The answer is added to the bottom of the Texans Draft Board.

3... See 2 and repeat.

Nothing is adjusted for the probability they may or may not be available or affected by what we've already done. That is for mocking which is something else.

 

[Marshall]

Let us begin again:

With every player in the draft available, who would you want the Texans to pick. Include any adjustments you want here to get the best player you think fits the needs of the Texans the most.

Position 1

Leonard Williams. [Marshall]

Select your nominees. Then perhaps after some discussion, we can get a poll-maker to get a consensus pick. Then we move on.

This is my suggestion on how to proceed.

 

[beerlover]

I would have to suggest Kevin White, WR WVU

 

[badboy]

has to be Leonard Williams for me no other DT/De comes close. I like White a lot but Parker right there with him and Cooper not far off.

 

[Marshall]

I would have to suggest Kevin White, WR WVU

Position 1

Leonard Williams. DE/DT USC [Marshall][badboy]
Kevin White WR WVU [beerlover]

 

[Marshall]

1. Leonard Williams. DE/DT USC [Marshall][badboy]

Nominations are open for position 2.

Dante Fowler OLB/DE [Marshall]
Kevin White WR WVU [beerlover]

 

[JB]

If we're going on the assumption Clowney won't return then Vic Beasley

If we think he will then Amari Cooper

Beasley might have the best first step in the draft. His burst off the ball frequently catches tackles off-balance and he's able to cross their face. Beasley has the flexibility to be able to duck their reach and turn the corner, showing excellent speed to close. Beasley complements his speed rush with a balanced and tight spin back to the inside and a surprisingly effective bull rush.

Excellent quickness and balance to get a clean release against press coverage and to make defenders miss in space. Accelerates in a flash, generating the burst to gain separation from top cornerbacks.
Makes the spectacular reception look easy with terrific hand-eye coordination and awareness to high-point passes. Competitive blocker.

 

[Marshall]

If we're going on the assumption Clowney won't return then Vic Beasley

If we think he will then Amari Cooper

1. Leonard Williams

Position 2 candidates:

Dante Fowler OLB/DE [Marshall]
Kevin White WR WVU [beerlover]
Vic Beasley OLB [JB]
Amari Cooper WR [JB]