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Forecasting QB success using QBR from first 16 starts

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Cobbled this together from two ESPN articles, one today and the latter from 4/2014... some pretty interesting looking prognosticatory evidence. May be more than most care to read. TL:DR: QBR over first 16 starts looks like a very good predictor.

Was Carr's 2014 season a true showcase of the player he is and will be, or is it too early to tell?

ESPN Insider Mike Sando explored the topic last April and found that quarterbacks generally don't show great improvement in Total QBR beyond their first 16 starts.

There have been 44 quarterbacks to make their first 16 NFL starts since 2006 (not including Carr), and the average difference in QBR from their first 16 starts and their career totals is just 5.1 points.

Quarterbacks who started with a QBR under 40 (as Carr did) have seen even smaller differences (3.9 points on average). The biggest increase was by Mark Sanchez, whose career QBR is 9.8 points better than his first 16 starts (28.9).

A QBR of 50.0 is considered average, so Carr would need an improvement of nearly 12 points over his career to reach that mark. Only Matthew Stafford, who has improved by 13.4 points from his first 16 starts, has reached those levels. Stafford also had the talent level to be drafted No. 1 overall in 2009, and dealt with injuries early in his career.
What if how a quarterback plays right away tells an organization what it needs to know? Evidence collected over the past eight seasons supports that thinking almost without exception, providing a clear lens for viewing the game's most important position.

"The QBs who do well ultimately, do well as rookies or in their first season of starting -- they show you," ESPN analyst and six-time NFL executive of the year Bill Polian said. "If they are not above a certain threshold after their first 16 games, the odds are pretty good that they will not be a franchise quarterback. The odds are even stronger that they will wash out completely."

We have found strong trends among the 41 quarterbacks making their first 16 starts over the past eight seasons. The QBs with the worst performance metrics over those initial 16 starts flamed out. The fast starters reached the playoffs in every case, playing in three of the past five Super Bowls. Their futures appear bright. The QBs in the middle look as though they'll remain there in the majority of cases.

Every situation is different, of course, and many factors dictate whether a quarterback ultimately succeeds, but there have not yet been many exceptions to this general rule...

The seven fastest starters are on their way

A four-year body of work allows for definitive evaluation in most cases, and Total QBR agrees. The metric, explained here and vetted most recently by Chase Stuart of Football Perspective, identifies the best quarterbacks over time. For example, a look at quarterbacks with at least 60 starts since 2006 showed Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Matt Ryan as the only ones with QBR scores above 65.0, which ESPN has identified as a general cutoff for Pro Bowl-caliber play. Sixty starts was the cutoff because that is roughly how many we might expect a quarterback to make over the four-year period Polian thought was sufficient for a full analysis.

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QBR Leaders: First 16 starts*
Rank	QB	        W-L	QBR
1	M.Ryan	        11-5	73.4
2	T.Romo	        11-5	72.1
3	R.Griffin	9-7	71.8
4	R.Wilson	11-5	71.7
5	C.Kaepernick	11-5	70.8
6	A.Rodgers	6-10	66.4
7	A.Luck	        11-5	65.2
* Since 2006


With guidelines for top-notch play established, I pulled together a list showing the 41 quarterbacks who made their first 16 starts over the past eight seasons. We chose 2006 as the starting point because that is how far back the Total QBR data reaches, and eight seasons seemed like a manageable time frame.

The first chart lists the seven players sitting atop that 41-player list. These are the quarterbacks with the highest QBR scores over their first 16 games. Every one of those players appears headed down a generally successful path, with a couple of concerns: RG III stands out because his performance fell off last season following a knee injury, and Colin Kaepernick has played less than the others.

Generally speaking, an especially strong first 16 games in the absence of an injury such as the one Griffin suffered seems to foreshadow continued production whether or not the player went to a strong team. Philip Rivers was the next player on the list with a 60.1 QBR score for his first 16 games. From there, the names become a blur of mediocrity, crossed fingers and worse.

Ominous outlook at the bottom

The second chart shows which of the 41 players had the 15 lowest QBR scores for their first 16 career starts. The bottom nine -- Brady Quinn through Gabbert, with five first-round choices in that range -- have pretty much run their course as viable starters. Some of them, such as Sanchez and Tarvaris Jackson, played for teams with outstanding defenses. That helps explain why those two had better won-lost records than the other players with especially poor performance metrics.

Code:
QBR laggers: First 16 starts*
Rank	QB	        W-L	QBR
27	M.Stafford	6-10	40.3
28	T.Tebow	        9-7	39.8
29	M.Moore	        7-9	39.5
30	S.Bradford	7-9	38.2
31	Kevin Kolb	6-10	38.0
32	G.Smith	        8-8	35.9
33	B.Quinn	        4-12	35.9
34	T.Jackson	8-8	35.3
35	M.Sanchez	9-7	34.6
36	B.Gradkowski	5-11	34.6
37	J.Russell	5-11	32.2
38	K.Clemens	6-10	27.7
39	J.Skelton	8-8	27.1
40	B.Weeden	5-11	25.8
41	Blaine Gabbert	4-12	21.8
* Since 2006

The information in this second chart supports the idea that players who struggle to produce early do not succeed in the long run, either. The implications for Stafford, Bradford and Smith are of particular interest. Stafford and Bradford joined terrible teams as rookies. Stafford has played better more recently, and Bradford has shown some positive signs without sustaining success. But neither has established himself as a consistent performer.

Smith, meanwhile, has played just one season. Conventional wisdom says it's far too early to draw conclusions on a player who was rushed into the New York Jets' lineup without sufficient weaponry to support him. That could be true. But we also know that a 35.9 QBR score through 16 starts puts Smith in a potentially precarious position one slot above the nine flameouts. As Polian said, the good ones tend to produce at a higher level right away, even when they join teams that had losing records before their arrival.

A quick look at the middle

The next chart shows quarterbacks falling between the two extremes through their initial 16 starts. Nine of the 19 are projected starters heading into the 2014 season, but of those nine, only Rivers has established himself as a consistent upper-tier quarterback. As noted, he was quite productive through his first 16 starts.

Code:
QBR middlers: First 16 starts*
Rank	QB	        W-L	QBR
8	P.Rivers	14-2	60.1
9	D.Anderson	9-7	59.1
10	M.Cassel	10-6	57.9
11	N.Foles	        9-7	57.8
12	V.Young	        10-6	57.3
13	C.Henne	        9-7	56.5
14	C.Newton	6-10	56.2
15	J.Cutler	7-9	53.4
16	J.Locker	7-9	52.7
17	R.Tannehill	7-9	50.4
18	S.Hill	        10-6	50.4
19	A.Dalton	9-7	49.8
20	M.Leinart	7-9	49.1
21	J.Campbell	7-9	47.5
22	J.Freeman	8-8	44.8
23	C.Ponder	6-10	43.9
24	T.Edwards	10-6	43.7
25	J.Flacco	11-5	43.1
26	C.McCoy	        5-11	42.0
* Since 2006

For reference, consider that QBR scores correlate closely with winning percentages, so that teams averaging a QBR score around 50 will win about half their games over time. Eight of 39 qualifying quarterbacks finished 2013 with scores of 65 or higher, while 10 were beneath 40. Some of the players we're most interested in analyzing fell between those extremes through their first 16 starts and have yet to take a big step forward, so precedent isn't particularly encouraging.

A head coach and team executive consulted for this piece liked the research without buying in completely. The coach thought running the ball successfully was the No. 1 variable for most quarterbacks in general. He thought a team's commitment to the ground game was largely responsible for separating the "successful" and "unsuccessful" players listed in the charts. The executive said there were too many variables for a single performance metric to tell the full story.

"One of the arguments against metrics is, this is a team game and highly complex and not easily measurable," Polian said. "On the other hand, I think you could hypothesize that because the quarterback position is so important, there needs to be an objective way of measuring how that guy is performing and growing. It is not perfect. There are no absolutes. But it does give you at least some pretty serious food for thought in terms of how you construct your team and what your quarterback might become. The hypothesis that they will show you something early is overwhelmingly true."

For reference, 2014:

Derek Carr, 16 starts, QBR = 38.4
Blake Bortles, 13 starts, QBR = 21.9
Teddy Bridgewater, 12 starts, QBR = 50.2​

(Bridgewater and Bortles each played >70% of snaps in another game, not included as "starts" above)
 
cont'd...
QBs at a crossroads(4/2014)

Polian placed Dalton, Stafford, Bradford and Newton into a general "crossroads" category. Each has between 48 and 61 starts, has started right away and hasn't won a playoff game. Dalton, Bradford and Newton will be in line for new contracts in the not-too-distant future.

Code:
QBR scores, then and now

Start #	        1-16	17+	Change
M.Stafford	40.3	57.3	+17.0
S.Bradford	38.2	41.9	+3.7
A.Dalton	49.8	52.4	+2.6
C.Newton	56.2	55.1	-1.1

[SIZE="1"]Source: ESPN Stats & Information[/SIZE]


Cam Newton (56.2 QBR in first 16 starts):
Newton belongs in a separate subcategory, Polian thought. "Newton is a special guy," Polian said. "He is a single-wing tailback, like a Tim Tebow with passing ability, which makes him totally different. The question is how long he can absorb this much punishment. There is no one like him. He almost plays a different position."

The metrics say Newton has already been pretty good, and he hasn't yet missed a game because of injury (although he did undergo ankle surgery this offseason).

"I think he has been sold a tough gig, too," ESPN Insider scout Matt Williamson said. "When he was the Heisman winner at Auburn and everyone said [he was] a project, a one-year starter, that was true. He comes into the league and wisely they run the read-option when Tebow was the only other guy doing it. Then they decided to make him into a pocket passer and he plateaued a little in 'SportsCenter' highlights, but the whole project has been a success."

In putting together the list of 41 quarterbacks making their first 16 starts, I wanted to know which ones had the strongest defenses and whether that affected their production. Expected points was the metric of choice for reasons explained here. There was naturally strong correlation between defensive strength and won-lost records, but there was none between defenses and QBR scores.

The worst defensive contributions, by far, belonged to the Panthers in the 16 initial starts Newton made. Bradford actually got better defensive support than Wilson through 16 starts, one reason the Rams went 7-9 during his rookie season despite a 38.2 QBR score from Bradford.
Matthew Stafford (40.3):
Of the four crossroads QBs, Stafford is the only one to make a significant statistical leap since his first 16 regular-season starts. His QBR score was at 40.3 in his first 16 starts and has been at a much more respectable 57.3 since then. The others remain pretty much what they have been, at least from a QBR standpoint.

"The jury is out," Polian said of Stafford. "He has been playing in Detroit with the best front four in football and a decent enough running game and a great wide receiver, and he still makes mistakes. You would have to say the arrow has been up with him. The question is, is he going to take the next step? The Lions paid him, but they hired Jim Caldwell because [Stafford] needed more consistency."

"I'd take him over Cam, Tannehill, Locker and Bradford, for sure," Williamson added, "but he needs to be coached. His mechanics are dreadful."
Andy Dalton (49.8):
Dalton has played well enough to get a good team to the playoffs, but not necessarily well enough for the Bengals to feel great about paying him $18 million a year or more, which can be the going rate for keeping an established starter. Dalton is entering the final year of his rookie deal.

"I think he is what he is, and he will never change," Williamson said. "He will be too good to cut and not good enough to win with. He wins three or four [games] a year for his team and loses one or two, but he is so much less gifted than all the others guys we are talking about here. Maybe if he was playing indoors, he could get away with it more."

"Dalton is a hard, hard, hard guy to read," one NFL general manager said. "He plays really well and really badly. It is surprising. He is not dumb. And it's not like Jay Cutler, who forces it because he has the arm and the ego. Dalton is not that way at all. Something is missing."

The Bengals think renewed commitment to the running game can take pressure off Dalton and help him become more consistent. I've advocated in the past for the Bengals to draft a quarterback for insurance and possibly more, and with his rookie deal set to expire in a year, the stakes are only getting higher.​

Sam Bradford (38.2):
"I'm not done with Bradford, but the Rams were better without him last season," Williamson said. "They changed their philosophy and maybe should have done that from the beginning, but the personnel wasn't that much different. How many great games has he had? There are lots of reasons why and I'd still give him this year, but that is it. For Newton, by comparison, I'm all in with him."

We should expect the Rams to take a similar run-first approach to the Bengals this season, after experimenting with a pass-oriented offense early last season, before Bradford suffered a torn ACL. Regardless, Polian thought Bradford was easy to read.

"You have a tendency to say he is in limbo, but he has not done anything and he has been hurt, as he was in college," Polian said. "You see flashes of good things from him. The only question is, can he stay healthy and can he do it on a consistent basis? You don't have enough to go on there."
Varying levels of optimism

Nick Foles (57.8):
Foles had a 1-5 record with a 44.9 QBR score as a starter under Andy Reid in 2012, but he was significantly better under Chip Kelly last season. "Let's judge him in Kelly's system, where he will be judged going forward," Polian said. "The numbers are very favorable."

Williamson said he liked Foles as a prospect, but he also thought Foles benefited from some favorable luck. "A few years ago, Josh Freeman got away with bad decisions and had a good touchdown-to-interception ratio, and Foles had a little bit of that last season," he said. "Right now, the perception is that he is better than he is. I have more faith in RG III or even Tannehill at this point."
Jake Locker (52.7):
Polian placed Locker in a "be wary" category based on injuries and overall performance, but Williamson was more optimistic. "He is very interesting to me," Williamson said. "He runs, he can throw deep, he has tools and could become a Donovan McNabb type. He's a little hit or miss and probably will always have red-zone woes and accuracy issues, but he is a big, strong guy and I thought he played quite well last year. People assume the book has been written on Locker the way it was for Gabbert and Ponder, but I think he gets better all the time. Those other guys do not. With Ken Whisenhunt there and some receivers, I can see Locker becoming a good NFL quarterback."​

Ryan Tannehill (50.4):
"He is wired right and a great athlete, but I just never knew if he would be a quality quarterback," the GM said. "I saw him against Arkansas and he was playing so bad, they ran the ball back-to-back on third and fourth down, and lost the game. That soured me. That was saying he was not their best player." Polian said he thought the arrow was pointing up for Tannehill as long as the Dolphins' offensive line improves markedly. His early-career QBR score puts him in the same general range as Dalton and Locker, from which there hasn't been a ton of long-term success previously. Joe Flacco and Jay Cutler put up similar scores in their first 16 starts and went on to earn long-term deals, despite some questions about how good they really are. (Cutler is 15th out of 33 qualifying QBs with a 55.4 QBR score since 2006, while Flacco is 21st at 51.2.)
Cause for concern

Geno Smith (35.9):
"The arrow was not really pointing up for him late last season, which tells us you should not bet the ranch on Geno, which the Jets are not," Polian said. "There are always outliers and I will not write the guy off until I get a better body of work. The numbers tell us to be wary. I saw some flashes, but I also saw a very unprepared QB. That is not a knock on the coaches. Smith was just unprepared to play at the NFL level. Ideally, he would not have been playing."​
 
Interesting.

Took a look at Schaub just for reference. His first two starts in Atlanta are pre-QBR but over his next 14 he posted about a 62. Looks like over his pre-2013 time period he averaged 64-5 which eyeballwise seems about right - just at the cusp of probowl level play.

Fitzpatrick's 1st three games are also pre-QBR. His next 12 starts were at 38.99 and his career avg looks about 52 (last 2 seasons at 55).

Hoyer is young Fitzpatrick on this evaluation. He's 17 games in with approx. a 43. Even with a Stafford 10 point jump, solidly below probowl level.

Mallett's 1st 2 starts - 48.2
 
Interesting.

Took a look at Schaub just for reference. His first two starts in Atlanta are pre-QBR but over his next 14 he posted about a 62. Looks like over his pre-2013 time period he averaged 64-5 which eyeballwise seems about right - just at the cusp of probowl level play.

Fitzpatrick's 1st three games are also pre-QBR. His next 12 starts were at 38.99 and his career avg looks about 52 (last 2 seasons at 55).

Hoyer is young Fitzpatrick on this evaluation. He's 17 games in with approx. a 43. Even with a Stafford 10 point jump, solidly below probowl level.

Mallett's 1st 2 starts - 48.2

Let's hope he can return to the 81.9 QBR he had in his first game.
 
Interesting.

Took a look at Schaub just for reference. His first two starts in Atlanta are pre-QBR but over his next 14 he posted about a 62. Looks like over his pre-2013 time period he averaged 64-5 which eyeballwise seems about right - just at the cusp of probowl level play.

Fitzpatrick's 1st three games are also pre-QBR. His next 12 starts were at 38.99 and his career avg looks about 52 (last 2 seasons at 55).

Hoyer is young Fitzpatrick on this evaluation. He's 17 games in with approx. a 43. Even with a Stafford 10 point jump, solidly below probowl level.

Mallett's 1st 2 starts - 48.2

the second start should have an asterisk. What was his score after his first start?
 
Belichick once said stats are for losers. I tend to agree. We get too caught up in numbers and forget to watch the game.

If you really want to know if a QB is good then watch the games.
 
Let's hope he can return to the 81.9 QBR he had in his first game.

the second start should have an asterisk. What was his score after his first start?

See TPN's post. I didn't want to be accused of skewing. He's got 14 games to average out that one hiccup.

I was a little surprised how well QBR showed the difference I saw between Schaub and Fitz and his Schaub like regular rating last year. Wish they would go back and do historical ratings on Montana, Staubach, Elway, etc.
 
See TPN's post. I didn't want to be accused of skewing. He's got 14 games to average out that one hiccup.

I was a little surprised how well QBR showed the difference I saw between Schaub and Fitz and his Schaub like regular rating last year. Wish they would go back and do historical ratings on Montana, Staubach, Elway, etc.

I don't think they'd look great because of the different era's, but boy could those guys make a play when they really needed to
 
the second start should have an asterisk. What was his score after his first start?

Throw out the data that doesn't meet the hypothesis. Not really the scientific method, but common in everyday practice.
 
I don't think they'd look great because of the different era's, but boy could those guys make a play when they really needed to

Sure. Just like to see it period but if they'd do the whole era so you could see it relative to the time that would be better.

Throw out the data that doesn't meet the hypothesis. Not really the scientific method, but common in everyday practice.

Not so much. I was told if you had a contaminated beaker or laser lens you chucked the data and ran it over again clean.
 
Sure. Just like to see it period but if they'd do the whole era so you could see it relative to the time that would be better.



Not so much. I was told if you had a contaminated beaker or laser lens you chucked the data and ran it over again clean.

Health is part of the NFL equation. It isn't contamination.

If the Cinci game was an anomaly, it'll show
 
Let's hope he can return to the 81.9 QBR he had in his first game.

If you qualify for injury (RGIII), then qualify for injury (Mallett).

But I believe there is a bit of circular logic in there somewhere while being adamant none exists.

An individual statistic using team performance in it's calculation and then saying it's all about the QB?

There's a flaw in that argument.

But these are great reads and at least an attempt at subjective analysis.
 
Belichick once said stats are for losers. I tend to agree. We get too caught up in numbers and forget to watch the game.

If you really want to know if a QB is good then watch the games.

BeLIARcheat really said that? It has to be true then.
 
You think?

Yes, but I have been working at diminished capacity during the last week due to multiple organ infection. But the trajectory is looking good. But the effect on my mind is noticeable. Fortunately, I had lots of capacity to begin with.
 
If you qualify for injury (RGIII), then qualify for injury (Mallett).

But I believe there is a bit of circular logic in there somewhere while being adamant none exists.

An individual statistic using team performance in it's calculation and then saying it's all about the QB?

There's a flaw in that argument.

But these are great reads and at least an attempt at subjective analysis.

You mean an attempt at objective analysis?

This is QBR, not passer rating. QBR has some nameless people sitting in some dank, dark underground bunker who go through and try to grade the QBs performance on each play against what they think an average QB would do. Now... you can definitely argue that the number they're coming up with is purely subjective but at least, it's a number.

If the receiver misses a catch or a ball bounces off someone's hands for an int or a lineman blows his block or the team loses, that's not necessarily on the QB and the QB isn't usually penalized for those plays (unless it was a bad through or the QB made a bad read). So this isn't grading the QB on the team's performance like the passer rating might.
 
Yes, but I have been working at diminished capacity during the last week due to multiple organ infection. But the trajectory is looking good. But the effect on my mind is noticeable. Fortunately, I had lots of capacity to begin with.

You should look back at that post and reconsider the subjective description.
 
Looking at the middle of the list kind of ruins this for me. Also, no idea what the cause is.

Griffin and Kaepernick in the top group is kind of interesting. Of course I appreciate any objective look at the stats but I suspect that this is just an over fit analysis that will diminish in value over the next several years.

Mike
 
Looking at the middle of the list kind of ruins this for me. Also, no idea what the cause is.

Griffin and Kaepernick in the top group is kind of interesting. Of course I appreciate any objective look at the stats but I suspect that this is just an over fit analysis that will diminish in value over the next several years.

Mike

Like they said, QBR is very much related to winning. & winning is what keeps these guys on the field. The more they win the more likely they'll continue to develop as a starter.

So some of this is chicken & egg kinda stuff, but the higher the QBR the more that QB is responsible for helping his team win.

Mark Sanchez would be an example Of a guy who rode the wave of a great defense & excellent run game. Russell Wilson, while still benefiting from a great Defense & excellent run game, he still had to do more than Sanchez ever did to get a win. Same thing with Brady & Roethlisberger way back when.

The thing that intrigues me though, is a guy like Stafford. Surely his QBR would be higher if he weren't asked to carry his team as heavily as he did as a rookie. At least Peyton Manning got help sooner rather than later & to some extent so didatt Ryan
.. but I'd love to see Stafford on another team. I know Detroit has made some strides... but expectations & what not are what they are & a change of scenery may help him out a lot. Even a tram like Buffalo or Cleveland might benefit greatly with Matt pulling the trigger.
 
.. but I'd love to see Stafford on another team. I know Detroit has made some strides... but expectations & what not are what they are & a change of scenery may help him out a lot. Even a tram like Buffalo or Cleveland might benefit greatly with Matt pulling the trigger.

I was with ya till you got to this part
 
I was with ya till you got to this part

Which part, Buffalo/Cleveland? Or Stafford?

I think Buffalo & Cleveland are ready to take the next step. They are both very talented. They just haven't been able to put it all together, like us. We're more talented (I believe ) but still...
 
The thing that intrigues me though, is a guy like Stafford. Surely his QBR would be higher if he weren't asked to carry his team as heavily as he did as a rookie. At least Peyton Manning got help sooner rather than later & to some extent so didatt Ryan
.. but I'd love to see Stafford on another team. I know Detroit has made some strides... but expectations & what not are what they are & a change of scenery may help him out a lot. Even a tram like Buffalo or Cleveland might benefit greatly with Matt pulling the trigger.

What's weird with Stafford is as the team has gotten better around him he has not gotten better. He was best by rating and QBR in his 3rd year/1st full year of starts.
 
Which part, Buffalo/Cleveland? Or Stafford?

I think Buffalo & Cleveland are ready to take the next step. They are both very talented. They just haven't been able to put it all together, like us. We're more talented (I believe ) but still...

Stafford benefiting greatly from another team, especially those two. Stafford is who he is, he's not going to get better from losing CJ to throw to
 
Stafford benefiting greatly from another team, especially those two. Stafford is who he is, he's not going to get better from losing CJ to throw to

Ah... I agree it sounds weird, but kinda like what 'cak said the team around him has consistently gotten better but for whatever reason he hasn't. You may be right. He is who he is. I'd still like to see.

He may be the next Cutler, go somewhere & show flashes here & there, but never sealing the deal.
 
You mean an attempt at objective analysis?

This is QBR, not passer rating. QBR has some nameless people sitting in some dank, dark underground bunker who go through and try to grade the QBs performance on each play against what they think an average QB would do. Now... you can definitely argue that the number they're coming up with is purely subjective but at least, it's a number.

If the receiver misses a catch or a ball bounces off someone's hands for an int or a lineman blows his block or the team loses, that's not necessarily on the QB and the QB isn't usually penalized for those plays (unless it was a bad through or the QB made a bad read). So this isn't grading the QB on the team's performance like the passer rating might.

Good catch. I've been posting with half my brain figuratively tied behind my back (multi organ infection including UTI, bladder, gall bladder, prostate and Kidneys) which normally leaves me enough to keep up. But I missed that one.
 
Rookie Impact: 2014 QBs

In the last decade the “start him early” philosophy has started to dominate the “sit and learn” philosophy for rookie quarterbacks.

Since 2007 only five first round picks have not played at least 500 snaps in their rookie season and, consequently, the question is no longer “can our rookie play early?” The question is instead “how well will our rookie play in his first year?”

The likes of Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson have only served to heap pressure on rookie quarterbacks to come in and play very well very early on.



Rookie QBs – Click to Enlarge

2014 Class Review

• Four quarterbacks played at least 300 snaps with three players topping 800.

• Teddy Bridgewater defied his draft-day fall to be the only rookie QB with a positive overall grade after a strong finish to the season.

• After subpar rookie seasons, the Raiders and Jaguars will hope to see glimmers from Derek Carr and Blake Bortles, respectively, turn into consistent performances in the future.
Best Class


• Highest Overall Grade: 2012 (+53.5 overall)

• Led by Russell Wilson (+41.7) and Robert Griffin III (+33.6) the 2012 quarterback class saw four of the five highest-graded rookie seasons that we have seen since 2007.

• Most Snaps Played: 2012 (6,032 snaps)

• After their rookie campaigns the comparisons to the 1983 class seemed well founded. Five quarterbacks played more than 900 snaps with four of those earning an overall grade of +10.0 or better.
First Round Outlook


• Average Playing Time: 725 snaps

• Average Overall Grade:
-7.1

• 500+ Snap Seasons: 16 of 21 selections

• Best Rookie Season: Robert Griffin III (2012), 964 snaps, +33.6 overall

• Worst Rookie Season: Blaine Gabbert (2011), 927 snaps,
-47.0 overall
Mid Round (2nd and 3rd) Outlook


• Average Playing Time: 364 snaps

• Average Overall Grade:
-4.1

• 500+ Snap Seasons: seven of 21 selections

• Best Rookie Season: Russell Wilson (2012), 1,016 snaps, +41.7 overall

• Worst Rookie Season: Derek Carr (2014), 1,017 snaps,
-32.6 overall
Late Round (4th to 7th) Outlook


• Average Playing Time: 39 snaps

• Average Overall Grade:
-1.2

• 500+ Snap Seasons: zero of 54 selections

• Best Rookie Season: Kirk Cousins (2012), 98 snaps, +5.1 overall

• Worst Rookie Season: Ryan Lindley (2012), 306 snaps,
-17.0 overall
 
I listen to the NFL channel constantly on Sirius and everyone one there just raves about Derek Carr and Bridgewater. I didn't watch enough of them to really have an opinion, either way.
I've always been under the impression ( I'm pretty sure I've read Polian say this same thing) that you need 32 games to truly evaluate a QB's performance. Maybe I was wrong? Which matrix do you guys think provides the clearest picture of a players ability? FO, PFF? I've always liked PFF myself.
 
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