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Hard knocks baby!!!

TexansFight said:
You add nothing to this board.. You are a bully and need to be stripped of moderator title
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I would disagree with this. He adds lot's of great stuff, but it can be confrontational, or at least appear that way sometimes. Perhaps you see mods as someone who is there to defend the meek, or ***** foot around your feelings?

I agree that he has his own opinions, and expressing those opinions does not exclude him from being able to carry out his duties as a mod. Perhaps you are thinking of the official Texans message board. They actively run members away with their squad of goons masquerading as mods.

Besides. Cak is a lawyer. What else do you expect from a blood sucking demon from the depths of hell? :kitten:
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I hope we get it. The Texans have won two playoff games in their existence. Earned number 1 overall twice. As a fan I want something else to get excited about. Ted Johnson made an interesting point which was that cameras are there all the time and when hard knocks came last season (even though the attention wasn't on us per se) it was just a few more cameras.

I know that would be magnified if it was us on the show. On field, film room, off field stuff...

But I don't care. If hard knocks distracts them to keep them from reaching their full potential then we probably aren't real good anyways.

As a fan, I want to see it.
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I hate the idea of my team volunteering to be on Hard Knocks. I don't think an organization with its priorities in order would invite a side show like that. It is unnecessary and does nothing to prepare a team for the football season, which should be the absolute focus during training camp. It would confuse/mitigate the coaches' message to players about focus if the organization is inviting a distraction like that. However, I don't think the side show is more than a minor nuisance and a distraction that can be dealt with efffectively... I would love the additional 6+ hours of coverage we would have of the Texans' camp/preseason. So, the NFL forcing Hard Knocks upon an otherwise unwilling Texans management/coaching staff is an ideal scenario.
 
JB said:
I would say most don't like the idea. And I can't recall a single team that had a decent season after being on hard knocks
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http://grantland.com/features/the-questionable-perils-training-camp-microscope-offseason-stories-matter/

2009: Cincinnati Bengals

Previous season: 4-12
Hard Knocks season: 9-7, lost in wild-card round
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2010: New York Jets

Previous season: 9-7, lost in AFC championship game
Hard Knocks season: 11-5, lost in AFC championship game
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2012 Bengals: 10-6
Hard Knocks season 2013:11-5
 
JB said:
moderators can't have opinions too?

He points out the fallacy of many posts, don't make him a bully
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I just don't think the Texans will ever win anything of significance as long as Rick Smith is GM. I've got 8 yrs of substance that make me believe this. I've been consistent with this since 2009. If that's a fallacy so be it.

Or could it just be an opinion, you know just like his opinion?

If that's demonization so be it. Tell you what when Rick Smith proves me wrong then I will eat crow. Until then things will continue to be what they are. It doesn't look like that crow will be cooking for awhile.

How many more yrs of mediocrity will it take until people will admit they were wrong about Smith just like they were about Kubiak. I mean Smith had the 1st pick in every rd of the draft and got basically nothing from it. (I do still think the draft class has potential. Although the Clowney injury is a bummer.)

I've never been known to let the demons get the best of me. LOL
 
JB said:
Always has been but this board doesn't let facts or truth get in the way... :kitten:

Same as the old McNair is cheap argument
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McNair has done a GREAT job.

There does that make everything better.

Playoffs?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I hope we get it. The Texans have won two playoff games in their existence. Earned number 1 overall twice. As a fan I want something else to get excited about. Ted Johnson made an interesting point which was that cameras are there all the time and when hard knocks came last season (even though the attention wasn't on us per se) it was just a few more cameras.

I know that would be magnified if it was us on the show. On field, film room, off field stuff...

But I don't care. If hard knocks distracts them to keep them from reaching their full potential then we probably aren't real good anyways.

As a fan, I want to see it.
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^^^^
This
 
steelbtexan said:
I just don't think the Texans will ever win anything of significance as long as Rick Smith is GM. I've got 8 yrs of substance that make me believe this. I've been consistent with this since 2009. If that's a fallacy so be it.

Or could it just be an opinion, you know just like his opinion?

If that's demonization so be it. Tell you what when Rick Smith proves me wrong then I will eat crow. Until then things will continue to be what they are. It doesn't look like that crow will be cooking for awhile.

How many more yrs of mediocrity will it take until people will admit they were wrong about Smith just like they were about Kubiak. I mean Smith had the 1st pick in every rd of the draft and got basically nothing from it. (I do still think the draft class has potential. Although the Clowney injury is a bummer.)

I've never been known to let the demons get the best of me. LOL
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I understand where you're coming from, and I share your frustration. But how do we know that Smith is too blame for all of it? He don't have the power of the old time GM that ran the show, it's a group think tank in which he is only one voice.

Cal McNair oversees day to day operations so shouldn't he be getting the hate?
 
Nitrofish said:
I would disagree with this. He adds lot's of great stuff, but it can be confrontational, or at least appear that way sometimes. Perhaps you see mods as someone who is there to defend the meek, or ***** foot around your feelings?

I agree that he has his own opinions, and expressing those opinions does not exclude him from being able to carry out his duties as a mod. Perhaps you are thinking of the official Texans message board. They actively run members away with their squad of goons masquerading as mods.

Besides. Cak is a lawyer. What else do you expect from a blood sucking demon from the depths of hell? :kitten:
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I think ICAK does a great job and is much appreciated. We just disagree. With that said I find it humorous that a lawyer would used the word demonization when it comes to describing an opinion that disagrees with his.
 
Thorn said:
Just to reiterate my feelings on the matter, NO. Not just no, but **** no.
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What are you going to do if the Texans (as unlikely as it is, thanks Johnny Football!) end up on hard knocks? Smoke a joint about it?
 
JB said:
I understand where you're coming from, and I share your frustration. But how do we know that Smith is too blame for all of it? He don't have the power of the old time GM that ran the show, it's a group think tank in which he is only one voice.

Cal McNair oversees day to day operations so shouldn't he be getting the hate?
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Hate is a strong word.

There's plenty of ineptitude to be shared when it comes to how the Texans on field product has been run for the past 12 yrs. Cal McNair would be near the top of that list.
 
b0ng said:
What are you going to do if the Texans (as unlikely as it is, thanks Johnny Football!) end up on hard knocks? Smoke a joint about it?
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After serious consideration of a long list of ideas, that one still remains at the top.
 
JB said:
One team every year. The only one that does it consistently is Belichek
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I'm assuming by 'one team every year' you mean the Super Bowl winner. If that's the case the Patriots haven't won it since the 2004 season.
 
steelbtexan said:
I just don't think the Texans will ever win anything of significance as long as Rick Smith is GM. I've got 8 yrs of substance that make me believe this. I've been consistent with this since 2009. If that's a fallacy so be it.

Or could it just be an opinion, you know just like his opinion?

If that's demonization so be it. Tell you what when Rick Smith proves me wrong then I will eat crow. Until then things will continue to be what they are. It doesn't look like that crow will be cooking for awhile.

How many more yrs of mediocrity will it take until people will admit they were wrong about Smith just like they were about Kubiak. I mean Smith had the 1st pick in every rd of the draft and got basically nothing from it. (I do still think the draft class has potential. Although the Clowney injury is a bummer.)

I've never been known to let the demons get the best of me. LOL
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Probably about as long as it will take for people to realize that Rick Smith got what the coaches wanted and that he's staff and not the lead dog.
 
Marshall said:
Probably about as long as it will take for people to realize that Rick Smith got what the coaches wanted and that he's staff and not the lead dog.
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I think DoubleBarrell posted in a different thread that O'Brien has absolute and final say on the final 53. Does anyone think he doesn't have final say on who gets drafted too? My money says Kubiak, control freak that he was, had the same level of roster input. We just never heard whether it was written into his contract.
 
If Bill O'Brien does his loud blasting of music from his I Pod during practices, HBO may have to buy all the rights to all of those songs (beyond fair use limits). That could get expensive.

Regardless, it would be interesting to see our team on national tv.
 
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
Texans to star on HBO's 'Hard Knocks?' Owner says it's an option http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...on-hbos-hard-knocks-owner-says-its-an-option/ …

Texans invited on Hard Knocks but Gary Kubiak wasn't in favor of it. They didn't qualify last year cause O'Brien was a first-year coach.

McNair on Hard Knocks “Our first responsibility is 2 do everything 2 win on the field so the question is what impact does that have on you?”

McNair on Hard Knocks possibility: "It’s a distraction, but it’s something people like to see." Texans turned down the series N the past.

Bob McNair said Texans may appear on Hard Knocks. “It’s something we’re considering, but I haven’t decided," he said today.
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I thought HBO already picked the Texans to be on 2015 Hard Knocks, for the third time now I believe, it's just a matter of Bob McNair signing off on it which he didn't do the previous two times they were selected. I'd love to see it happen. We have the greatest player in the game in J.J. Watt and a pretty good quarterback battle on our hands, along with a first overall pick trying to work his way back from a serious injury and rehab. Also Bill O'Brien's charisma and toughness will be fun to watch. A lot of entertaining storylines to follow. I didn't even mention Brian Cushing, who will provide a lot of fun sound bytes. Plus the rookie class we end up drafting, two of which, will likely be immediate starters at wide receiver and outside linebacker. That's always exciting to follow on Hard Knocks.
 
Playoffs said:
I want the Browns in 2015 and us in 2016. I think JD's best chance to do anything will be in the latter. And Johnny Football! Could be now or never for him.
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The Houston Texans offer a lot of everything. They will draw the best ratings out of all the teams available.
 
I could care less about it. They've never had a good team on so its coincidental that no team on the show went to the playoffs that year
 
As much as I would love to see the Texans in this format, I more so don't want my team to have to put up with the bs this format brings.

Wish we could just luck out have the all-access itch scratched playing the featured team in the preseason every year.
 
Won't do me any good anyway, I don't have cable. Unless they are going to put it on HBO Go, I'll never see it until people start posting it on u-tube.
 
I was trying to text John McClain and receive some confirmation. He just responded back to me that it's about 70-30 that Bob McNair will give the green light. He thinks Mr. McNair is going to approve very soon after a meeting he had with him.

In fact, John McClain was so certain it was happening that he wrote an article on Chron.com/sports about two hours ago that the Texans will appear on the show, but then he edited that it's still an option as Bob McNair is still considering it. So pretty much it's up to McNair but he's leaning towards a yes with HBO.

Here is the edited article that John wrote.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...d-knocks-owner-says-its-an-option/#31508101=0

This is great news then. The Texans will likely appear on Hard Knocks.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I was trying to text John McClain and receive some confirmation. He just responded back to me that it's about 70-30 that Bob McNair will give the green light. He thinks Mr. McNair is going to approve very soon after a meeting he had with him.

In fact, John McClain was so certain it was happening that he wrote an article on Chron.com/sports about two hours ago that the Texans will appear on the show, but then he edited that it's still an option as Bob McNair is still considering it. So pretty much it's up to McNair but he's leaning towards a yes with HBO.

Here is the edited article that John wrote.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...d-knocks-owner-says-its-an-option/#31508101=0

This is great news then. The Texans will likely appear on Hard Knocks.
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Why is it great news? I genuinely don't understand.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
This is great news then. The Texans will likely appear on Hard Knocks.
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Don't know why you would think that. Just another Major distraction while trying to get the team built.

I took McNairs comment that he hadn't decided yet to mean he hadn't discussed it with OB yet, and I can't fathom OB being ok with it.

Other than purely selfish reasons, why would anyone want their team to be on it?
 
I don't see how any good can come of Hard Knocks. I would honestly think it a dumb decision if the Texans do it.



But I'll be eagerly awaiting each episode.
 
markn said:
Why is it great news? I genuinely don't understand.
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I don't understand why this is not great news. Anybody who has a passion for the Houston Texans should really enjoy this. It's going to feel like an extra bonus for anybody who loves the Texans but doesn't have inside access to the team like most of the media does.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I don't understand why this is not great news. Anybody who has a passion for the Houston Texans should really enjoy this. It's going to feel like an extra bonus for anybody who loves the Texans but doesn't have inside access to the team like most of the media does.
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I'd rather training camp stay behind closed doors and have a successful team than be exposed and be a major disappointment like everyone else that's been on there. What possible benefit to the team could it have from a fans perspective? More exposure to the country? That helps you how? You want insider access? Go to the open practices... do you really need to see the coaches tell some kid his life long dream is over?
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I don't understand why this is not great news. Anybody who has a passion for the Houston Texans should really enjoy this. It's going to feel like an extra bonus for anybody who loves the Texans but doesn't have inside access to the team like most of the media does.
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I want what's best for the Texans chances of winning. Having season preparation interrupted for this circus cannot possibly enhance their chances of winning. I get people will enjoy the fly-on-the-wall aspect, but not at the expense of having a poorly prepared team

Edit: or what JB said.
 
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Thorn said:
Well fellahs, just look at it this way. We'll have more **** to fight over now. :cowboy1:
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Like you, I don't have HBO so it don't matter to me, just don't think any good can come from it.

We can aways find **** to fight over... :pirate:
 
JB said:
Don't know why you would think that. Just another Major distraction while trying to get the team built.

I took McNairs comment that he hadn't decided yet to mean he hadn't discussed it with OB yet, and I can't fathom OB being ok with it.

Other than purely selfish reasons, why would anyone want their team to be on it?
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The people who think it will be a major distraction will probably be the ones enjoying the show the most once it starts airing. I understand it may not be the most pleasant thing while the actual filming is going on. Always having those cameras following you around. Let me guess, those same people who disagree with the Houston Texans being on 2015 Hard Knocks will be watching every second of the show on HBO I'm sure.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
The people who think it will be a major distraction will probably be the ones enjoying the show the most once it starts airing. I understand it may not be the most pleasant thing while the actual filming is going on. Always having those cameras following you around. Let me guess, those same people who disagree with the Houston Texans being on 2015 Hard Knocks will be watching every second of the show on HBO I'm sure.
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So what if that's true? That makes no difference whatsoever. There isn't even an argument for how this HELPS THE TEAM, not you the fan, the team.
 
JB said:
Like you, I don't have HBO so it don't matter to me, just don't think any good can come from it.

We can aways find **** to fight over... :pirate:
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You can easily access the show on-line if you don't have HBO. I remember watching every episode on-line, for free, at HBO.com when my digital cable was down a few summers ago. Anything with the Houston Texans is worth a watch regardless of what it is. I've been suffering over the years watching teams I don't even care about appear on the show and I still enjoyed it.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
The people who think it will be a major distraction will probably be the ones enjoying the show the most once it starts airing. I understand it may not be the most pleasant thing while the actual filming is going on. Always having those cameras following you around. Let me guess, those same people who disagree with the Houston Texans being on 2015 Hard Knocks will be watching every second of the show on HBO I'm sure.
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If I had HBO, I still doubt I'd watch it. Watched the first season and it's a colossal waste of time in my opinion, and certainly is not for the benefit of the team.

What do you care most about, the Texans or 1 hour a (day?) (week?). Tell me the positives to be gained by the Texans other than letting more of the country see behind the scenes action of OUR team?
 
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