I know I've had that look many times when looking at Kubiak's clock management/timeout usage/replay challenges. Good thing is with Dungy as HC Peyton should be able to handle the headscratchers Kubiak will throw his way.
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Kubiak's Next Destination
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I know I've had that look many times when looking at Kubiak's clock management/timeout usage/replay challenges. Good thing is with Dungy as HC Peyton should be able to handle the headscratchers Kubiak will throw his way.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Apparently you missed the point of the entire post. Getting a win when the other team isn't hardly trying isn't exactly something to use to call a winning season, especially when you cost the team at least 3 games that year. But go ahead and put more emotions to make yourself feel better about Kubiak's tenure here.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Now that is funny.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Yea because Ed Reed's problem was all coaching that season right? He can't even take responsibility for his own lackluster play. Only thing funny about that statement is that Ed Reed made it.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Ed Reed is considered a top 3 safety of all time. Some consider him the greatest or at least the greatest of this era. Reed is as accomplished as it gets. His word does mean something. It means a lot to NFL fans and followers of the sport. Ed Reed clowned on the Texans coaching staff that season while everything was going on, because he hadn't ever been a part of such a train wreck especially after he had just won a SB and was hoping to go to a team that had some sort of stability and leadership. He may have been a disaster himself health wise, but that didn't make his statements any less true that season nor does it make them any irrelevant now.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Just sounds like a bunch of excuses. Ed Reed knew who the leadership was here. It's not like players do not talk amongst themselves. He, and you are blaming his performance on coaching because neither of you can admit when you are wrong. It seem ironic to me that the team that released Ed Reed because his skills had diminished are the same team that snapped up Kubiak as quick as they could. I would say Ozzy Newsome has a lot more credibility than Ed Reed does, and he did not seem to have the same problem with Kubiak as you and Ed Reed do.
BS excuses is all this is, and him taking shots at the former coaching staff reveals his overall lack of character. Gary Kubiak, and Wade Phillips gave more to the Texans than Ed Reed ever did.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Are you trying to tell me that I can't admit that I was wrong? Really?
You wasted years and years of posts defending Kubiak's poor coaching while insulting posters again and again failing over and over man. When are you going to get it? None of your arguments for this guy ever came to fruition and you lost. You didn't just defend his ineffective coaching, but you constantly took shots at people who saw it for what it was. You lost bad. The Texans franchise lost bad by trusting this guy for years along with his GM he picked for himself that we're unfortunately still stuck with. You still have a huge egg planted all over your face regarding this subject, and that is the only reason you're still in here throwing darts at me and anyone else that is still willing to relive what you thought was success.
You can hate Reed all you want, but Reed called this staff out at a crucial time when they needed to be called out. Heck it was about time one of our players finally came out and did that. That staff you defended then and continue to defend now is the staff that negligently brought him here. At some point you're going to need to wake up and realize that your Kubiak dreams for this franchise didn't happen and never were gonna happen. Denver's wagon is open for you to jump on in though.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Man, y'all obsessed with Gary Kubiak.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I think it's hilarious.
This is going to go on for a long time. Guys like Nitrofish and Scooter will be using each and every kind of success that Kubiak may have in the future to somehow justify his failures here. This thread will likely never stop getting revived I'm sure.
yeah just shows what a classless clown and POS Ed Reed is...
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
That may be true, but it doesn't mean he isn't right about his posting. People can hate Reed in here, and I can totally understand why, but it is a bit hypocritical for some honestly. They can't stand Reed because he came here and didn't perform well for the one season he was here. Kubiak came here and didn't perform well here either for 8 seasons. Heck, I'm a lot more irritated at Kubiak's impact on this franchise than anything that Reed did. Hell, part of Reed's existence here was because of Kubiak. Reed called out the staff publicly, and I for one am thankful of that. Had he not done that, for all we know Bob would have kept Kubiak here. I'm not saying it was all because of Reed's comments at the time either, but it definitely played a factor as that was the first time an active player that was well known around the NFL here trashed this team's management and coaching staff publicly during a season. That had to have made Bob extremely uncomfortable. The last thing Bob ever wanted to do was fire Kubiak. He loved him to death, but he couldn't bear it anymore. Reed helped to push Bob in that direction more than likely.
Difference is, Kubiak came here and honestly put forth his best effort, Reed came here to collect a paycheck and laugh at everyone else
corytx8
Rookie
corytx8
Rookie
I disagree with the fact that Bod wasn't leaning on firing him. With the way the season was going, it was going to happen. What put him in the hot seat was the fact that he refused to switch from Schaub earlier during the season and roll with Case to the very end. What sealed his faith was going back to Schaub after benching Case. Hell, I called it once he made that move.
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I think a lot of that is based on expectations. Most people didn't really expect a lot from Reed, other than his leadership & he proved to be more divisive than anything.
Kubiak... most expected him to right the ship that Capers&Casserly capsized. He did that. We expected to compete for the division... we did that, won it twice. We expected to compete for a Super Bowl... we fell well short of that.
Personally, I could understand your frustration with the franchise if you're thinking the Texans should have picked up were the Oilers left off. But that's ridiculous. Surely, that's not what you're thinking, as such I fail to understand your ire.
In the last twelve years, only two teams have won the AFCSouth. The Texans are one of those two teams. I say that to illustrate that it's not easy to build a team that will win 11 games a season. Even Jeff Fisher struggled with that & he had been at it longer than Kubiak.
I'm glad Kubiak is gone. But the team was better off four years after he got here than it was before he got here. Four years after that, the team was better still. Now I hope OB is the man to take us to the next level.
Goatcheese
Texan
Ed Reed is still butthurt that he got fired for being a shitty player with a shitty personality that made him a locker room cancer.
It's a shame that a grown man has to point fingers at everyone else to excuse away his personal failures.
It's a shame that a grown man has to point fingers at everyone else to excuse away his personal failures.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Pretty much. One of the best safeties ever but he was a punk from start to finish with the Texans.
And tex Reed may not have been "reporting the truth" about the coaches as you want to believe. His undercutting the coaches may have been part of the cause for a top 10 D to fall off a cliff. Having a HoFer refuse to recognize his own failings and start throwing blame around a locker room is definitely a bad thing.
Scooter
Funky
I love that Kubiak's tenure is relegated to the 2013 season. A rookie coach took over a team with 1 player only had 2 losing seasons in spite of being famous for his horrible coaching staff on both sides of the ball, climbing to 12 wins and assembling a full 60+ roster in 7 years. Leading the league in each category during the progress until one year that the lightning struck. That's one hell of a failure.
I have to un-ignore Tex it seems. I guess the x's and o's have lost their meaning with the current coolaid, not that the chalkboard has been very popular with most reactions.
look tex, you agree with ed reed.
I have to un-ignore Tex it seems. I guess the x's and o's have lost their meaning with the current coolaid, not that the chalkboard has been very popular with most reactions.
look tex, you agree with ed reed.
Scooter
Funky
I think what's hilarious is you dont know your x from your o. probably because your head's too far up your a.
Scooter
Funky
Schaub lead the league in yards, Andre had a Jerry Rice run with consecutive 1500+ yard years and Foster was the best back over a 3 year period. We sent 3/5ths of the offensive line to the probowl.
Tell me. How does our offense look? League leaders? Name the player who's going to lead the league in anything ... Mallett? Hoyer? Foster? Fiedo? How many lineman are we sending to the probowl? What's it REALLY look like now? We rode Kubiak's shadow last year as Crennell got all of the turnover karma that struck wade and his 'ed reed handicap'.
tell me all about what's really happening.
Tell me. How does our offense look? League leaders? Name the player who's going to lead the league in anything ... Mallett? Hoyer? Foster? Fiedo? How many lineman are we sending to the probowl? What's it REALLY look like now? We rode Kubiak's shadow last year as Crennell got all of the turnover karma that struck wade and his 'ed reed handicap'.
tell me all about what's really happening.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Scooter, I agree with you that Kubiak's tenure was an overall success as evidenced by his W-L record compared to the previous coaching staff, and by his 2 playoff trips.
I just feel that when you really boil it down, he had a trick offense that came up short at the business end of the season when it really mattered. There were certain teams who could blow up anything Kubiak wanted to do on O for an entire afternoon. I think the 2 New England games where they pummelled us was the peak of Kubiak's abilities, not due to the thrashing they gave us (twice), but because when it really mattered, and things like homefield advantage or trips to championship games were on the line, the top teams had our number.
That, coupled with the streaky nature of his teams over the years, where we'd lose all hope for a season in the space of 3 games and look like contenders either side of that, meant the writing was on the wall.
I remember writing 3 or 4 years ago that Kubiak's tenure would always be in thrall to Matt Schaub, he was hamstrung from year 2 to an above average (yet far from elite) QB with a knack for getting injured by cheap shots. You can't move on from that unless you go 2-14 and the fact that Schaub's injury was pretty much a career ender makes it seem a bit unfair to write about him like this but that was Kubes' downfall.
Now, I'm pretty much amazed that Kubes has got this chance to go and coach a great Broncos team, I'm really happy for the guy because he seems like a very decent person. I'll be interested to see what he's learnt from his first HC gig to his second, but there's a very interesting parallel in the QB situation he walks into.
Manning is going to be hanging it up in the next year or so and Kubiak will have to find himself a QB, this time he has a loaded team to place around his new QB and will receive plenty of cap relief from the retirement too. I'll be watching with a lot of interest as to how he handles it. Will he take the temptation to trade for a 'sure thing' a la Schaub, or will he be going all in to draft a guy at the top of the draft who he can make his own.
The QB whisperer tag never really got proved in Houston, although Schaub probably made the best of his abilities. And will Wade manage to sustain success coaching a D beyond 2 years for the first time ever will be a nice little aside.
Scooter
Funky
you lost me at 'trick offense'. 32 teams use kubiak's work. run blocking, pass blocking, play action, boots, route combinations, and entire schedules. Kubiak has 5 superbowl appearances as a coach and 3 rings. That's not a 'trick'.
I just noticed 'quarterback whisperer'. Find better. Any coach who had more starters play above their perceived level, ever. I'll wait.
I just noticed 'quarterback whisperer'. Find better. Any coach who had more starters play above their perceived level, ever. I'll wait.
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Agreed. The offense worked great when we didn't have a gimp at QB.
What does his record have to do with whether it was a trick offense or not? You realize how devoid of talent the team he inherited was?
His offense isn't a trick offense. There's a misconception about Kubiak's lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball. The 2006-2007 seasons I would agree with you.
In 2008 Kubiak had a almost 1300 yd (Slaton) rusher and a almost 1600 yd WR AJ and OD. D. Brown was also added in the draft. Then came Foster and all of the huge numbers. BTW, Schaub, Kubiak's handpicked also threw for 3000 yds. So obviously the offense wasn't as devoid of talent as some want to believe.
Fast forward, BOB inherits a team without a QB, Foster who's obviously breaking down, an aging AJ. Who were the TE's this yr and still goes 9-7. Hopkins showed he has a bright future but played nowhere near the level of 2008 AJ.
I said this not to comp between BOB/Kubiak. I just think we fans need to give BOB a couple of yrs to find his QB and put weapons around his QB. Like Kubiak's rookie yr was a wash, I think BOB's rookie yr should be a wash too. I expect some offensive improvement next yr and a lot of offensive improvement in 2016.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Did you really skip to after 3 drafts to argue about the talent the coaches inherited?
& three FA periods.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Why are you still in this forum? Denver is that way.
Stop bitching about the fact that we don't have your loser Aggie coach, and go to Denver and root for him there.
Our new HC was 2nd in the running for HC of the year with straight trash at QB with the same team your hero humiliated himself with.
Ask Ed Reed all about it. Lol!
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Trying to blame Ed Reed for the defense's problems is by far maybe the weakest and wimpiest excuses I've ever seen in here. Wade's history if his defenses declining was something that was mentioned before that season even started. If Ed Reed was able to come in here and ruin an entire defense when he was barely on the field, then that says everything you need to know about the coaching staff. They were a group of wimps that couldn't hold a team together. Hell, that would be a huge black eye on Watt even. You're basically suggesting that Watt's leadership was so poor that some guy that was shirt the entire time could destroy his unit.
The excuses you guys are making for Kubiak now are worse than the ones you guys made while he was here.
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
This isn't true at all. His best effort??
He refused to fire horrible coaches on his staff, and then replaced them with other horrible coaches that shouldn't have been hired either. That isn't putting in your best effort.
And if that were the case, then that says even more about the people who keep latching onto all of this glory of the Kubiak days which is probably the most pathetic standards I've ever seen for any fan base.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
No he didn't do that at all. He had a bunch of mediocre seasons that usually ended in horrible coaching decisions that kept the team out of the playoffs soley due to his bad calls with player personal and his choices of coaches. Getting to your first playoff season in year 6 isn't turning your team around. He should have been fired the year before when he went 6-10 in year 5 when people expected big things out of the TExans. He had already failed, and Bob forcing Wade on him was his final chance. Wade's defense was the only reason why that team made the playoffs in year 6. The offense was terrible.
People that root for this team have the worst standards in the league as fans.
Again, when this is all that you can show for a guy, it pretty much shows that he was a failure.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Are you actually trying to pass that off as some sort of smack? Lol!
Every post you make in here is either pout session about Kubiak being fired and all of the glory we had with his mediocre seasons, or some whining about the new HC because you can't get over the fact that he showed what a real HC can do with Kubiak's roster that went 2-14. All of your arguments for years failed. That dream you had about Kubiak being anything other than a lame duck HC were that of a wonderer that got lost at Wood stock.
When the next season starts, I'll know you're rooting for the Colts and the Broncos though. I just wish you'd take that act over there, because we both know you want OB to fail.
Just because he didn't know better doesn't mean he didn't give his best effort... and the team OB had last year was not the same team as 2013. Look how many vets were added TC. Pickett for one, Lewis... etc.
I understand you like to hate on Kubiak, but try being objective and look at evertything and not the few things that support your argument
Scooter
Funky
A lame excuse that he came to a team with david carr, seth wand, no defense and was saddled with sherman. after the purge he had seasons of 9 - 6 - 10 and 12 wins before the chaos of 2013. many had us as superbowl potentials before the 2012 season and were arguably favorites before the 2013 season.
Scooter
Funky
lol o'brien certainly showed what he could do with kubiak's roster, the same one that went 10-6 and 12-4 (as i said, only 2013 exists to some of yall) ... but hey, i guess 9 wins and missing the playoffs is good too. one guy inherited david carr, the other inherited 8+ probowlers but you go ahead and enjoy watching a tightend coach try to lead a team that went 0-fer in the previous draft and dropped 5 starters (including 2 all-pros). Me? I'll judge what I see on the field and ***** about anything i feel like. you should know how that is, we've had to listen to your whining for quite a while.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Tex - you have become a completely irrational rabid dog at the slightest mention of Kubiak. Have fun with it I guess...but it's sad.
I'm saying give BOB time to get the players he wants in place on offense. It's not like the offense was full of difference makers last yr. The same as what was done with Kubiak.
Bitter?
Give BOB his QB and I guarantee you they win 10 games are more. Fitz wasn't BOB's guy he was a stop gap. Hence he's not on the roster anymore.
BTW, 9-7 is a heck of a lot better 2-14 in the stat classes I took.
Guys with undying A&M love even when Aggies fail at their task at hand are what make people glad to see Kubiak gone. I've asked this question before when has A&M won anything in football or any of the main 3 sports? Bear Bryant long before either of us were alive? How did Kenny football work out for you guys. Yep, paying Sumlin all of that cash has really worked out well. Don't count on Kubiak winning anything either, even though he's got a GOAT playing QB next yr. If the Broncos put up great stats in the regular season but lose in the 1st rd Peyton will be the fall guy because Kubiak can do no wrong in Aggies like yours eyes.
On to your beloved Broncos MB.
It took Kubiak what 8 years to achieve 2-14? Are you saying you think OB can do that or better?
You're arguing apples and oranges bro...
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
yea, I have been having to see a therapist ever since I got that "Huge egg" plated all over my face. I mean how can I go on knowing you disagree with me. Oh the shame of it all. Why can't I be more like you? Why, oh why?!
I would go on, but I think everyone that followed me pretty much covered all the nonsense you have been posting.
As long as you keep posting nonsense, Myself and others will be here to set the record straight.
Yea, and in hopes of covering that up, he shot off his mouth to relieve himself of his dirty deed. He knew he was injured, and he knew he was just looking for another payday. If It was all the coaching, and bad management as Reed suggested. Why then did he fail when he signed with the Jets after clearing wavers? Because he was washed up the year before, which is why Ozzie Newsome did not even try to resign the guy. Texans (McNair) screwed the pooch on this one. Perfect example of why owners should not get involved in personnel decisions. Revisionist much? The Texans were considered Superbowl Favorites by pretty much everyone but you and Patriots fans for several years in a row. I know it hurts to admit that because that would mean you are full of Texecutioner, but there you have it.
He try's to play it off as if it is us who are obsessed with Kubiak, but it's clear who suffers from the obsession. "Rabid Dog" is a perfect description.
Scooter
Funky
what does A&M have to do with anything? i certainly couldn't care less about college ball or who went where. if you'd said he and wade were houstonians i could see that being a factor for some people, but you quoted me and went off on an aggie rant ... and missed by a mile. what have i said that would even give you the notion that i was an A&M homer? hell i spent half of last offseason bashing manziel.
and yes i am bitter. i strongly feel that despite a pretty gnarly hiccup, we were on a great path. now we're one defensive injury from being a laughing stock because our offense is falling apart.
Revisionist much? The Texans were considered Superbowl Favorites by pretty much everyone but you and Patriots fans for several years in a row.
Good post. That's exactly what it was!
Apparently 8 aint enough, people are either slow learners., live in a state of senial, or their love of all things Kubiak knows no bounds. Let me ask you this? What would it take for you to admit Kubiak is an avg HC? A below .500 recrd and 8 yrs of evidence didn't do the trick. Neither did losing badly in prime time, stupid challenges? Misuse of timeouts? Getting elective surgeries during the combine? Keeping Richard Smith's, Bush, Marciano's on staff when it was obvious they were in over their heads? If these things didn't make you question /pull your hair out nothing will.
You sir are the honorary captain of the Kubiak fan club. There are Kubiak family members on this MB who will admit Kubiak made some major mistakes in his tenure as Texans HC. Starting with helping get Rick Smith hired.
Why do you care about the Texans?
You're a Bronco fan now.
Why all the personal attacks on someone that doesn't agree with your perception of things Kubiak? I haven't heard anyone say that he didn't make mistakes. Most first time head coaches do. Lombardi and Landry aren't normal in that regard. Some just don't think that Kubiak should have been fired after that disastrous season. So what? Let them think that. What does itmatter now? Can't you just agree to disagree and move on? Like Texecutioner, you really seem hung up on the fact that someone may like Kubiak. You don't. Does that automatically make you right and them wrong?
wtf man, it's gone... let it die
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Y'all still obsessed with Gary Kubiak I see.