Texans 2015 Salary Cap Outlook -- OverTheCap.com

[thunderkyss]

OvertheCap has removed Chris Myers & they're showing Kareem Jackson with a $7M cap hit, leaving us with $11.4M in cap space

Still need to include Derek Newton which I believe is about $5M, leaving us with $6M to work with, which is generally set aside for rookies & such.

 

[dalemurphy]

Can't use the June 1 designation unless Dre is released after the new league year starts. If he is released prior to 3pm on March 10th, then will all accrue in 2015.

Which explains why he has not been cut yet.

 

[JB]

OvertheCap has removed Chris Brown & they're showing Kareem Jackson with a $7M cap hit, leaving us with $11.4M in cap space

Still need to include Derek Newton which I believe is about $5M, leaving us with $6M to work with, which is generally set aside for rookies & such.

Chris Brown? Hasn't he been gone like 6 years now?

 

[thunderkyss]

Chris Brown? Hasn't he been gone like 6 years now?

WTH....

Thanks. I've been "testing" this Kraken spiced rum all day. I think it's passed the drunk out of my mind test.

 

[JB]

WTH....

Thanks. I've been "testing" this Kraken spiced rum all day. I think it's passed the drunk out of my mind test.

 

[Number19]

Can someone explain what these cap numbers mean for Andre Johnson:
pre-June 1st cut :.... dead money $7,319,583...cap savings $8,825,000
post-June 1st cut :...dead money $4,644,583...cap savings $11,500,00

The way I read this, the Texans will wait until 3:05 PM, Tuesday to cut Andre, to maximize their cap space.

 

[infantrycak]

Can someone explain what these cap numbers mean for Andre Johnson:
pre-June 1st cut :.... dead money $7,319,583...cap savings $8,825,000
post-June 1st cut :...dead money $4,644,583...cap savings $11,500,00

The way I read this, the Texans will wait until 3:05 PM, Tuesday to cut Andre, to maximize their cap space.

Appearances are deceiving or the devil is in the details - pick your cliche.

A June 1st cut maximizes cap savings this year by deferring some of the dead money to next year BUT it isn't available until June 1st. You can designate them early and they can sign with another team but the release isn't effective in terms of the cap until June 1st.

IOTW if the Texans need his cap space to sign someone before June 1st they'll need to straight up cut him and take the dead money this year (which they could do now).

 

[Number19]

Thanks, that makes sense, now.

 

[Marshall]

Can someone explain what these cap numbers mean for Andre Johnson:
pre-June 1st cut :.... dead money $7,319,583...cap savings $8,825,000
post-June 1st cut :...dead money $4,644,583...cap savings $11,500,00

The way I read this, the Texans will wait until 3:05 PM, Tuesday to cut Andre, to maximize their cap space.

That is the Cap Savings for 2015. The difference is deferred to 2016 if we wait till June 1. The TOTAL dead money doesn't change. It's just spread over two years if we wait until June 1 causing 2015 cap to go down and 2016 to go up. The dead money only changes when he earns either salary or non signing bonuses.

 

[Troy Chapman]

That is the Cap Savings for 2015. The difference is deferred to 2016 if we wait till June 1. The TOTAL dead money doesn't change. It's just spread over two years if we wait until June 1 causing 2015 cap to go down and 2016 to go up. The dead money only changes when he earns either salary or non signing bonuses.

To take it further:

In 2015, you total all the dead money for this year only ($4,644,583) and that is the amount of dead money accrued for 2015. Any dead money beyond 2015, will accrue in 2016 ($3,144,583) as dead money. The player will count as a dead money cap charge for both 2015 & 2016. The dead money is spread out, but not evenly (common misconception).

 

[Number19]

Admittedly I don't have a great understanding of how the cap works out, particularly the timing on the allocation of the funds. But the way I see it right now, about $6M needs to be set aside for draft picks, practice squad and other such spending. After releasing Andre and setting aside this misc spending; and assuming we sign Hoyer and release Fitz, then we have approx $8M for signing free agents starting today. We could release Clabo for another $1.32M. But Brooks will be a FA next year and there are rumors the Texans will try to sign him to an extension and cap space will have to be set aside for this. There's been no signs that J Jo has been approached to rework his contract, but this is a possibility if the need arises.

So...about $8M in available cap for signings today. Other ideas?

 

[infantrycak]

So...about $8M in available cap for signings today. Other ideas?

Just remember, other than when teams intentionally up the cap hit like the Texans did with KJ, the cap hit in the 1st season is generally far below the avg. on the contract. So a contract which averages $8 mil per year will typically have a 1st year cap hit of $2.5-3.5 mil. This does not apply on short 2 year contracts.

Plus, while ultimately the Texans will set aside money for rookies, etc. right now they don't need to do so. They can sign folks and then cut, rework, etc. to get the reserve after seeing who they get rather than who they hope to get.

 

[Troy Chapman]

Just remember, other than when teams intentionally up the cap hit like the Texans did with KJ, the cap hit in the 1st season is generally far below the avg. on the contract. So a contract which averages $8 mil per year will typically have a 1st year cap hit of $2.5-3.5 mil. This does not apply on short 2 year contracts.

Plus, while ultimately the Texans will set aside money for rookies, etc. right now they don't need to do so. They can sign folks and then cut, rework, etc. to get the reserve after seeing who they get rather than who they hope to get.

Correct. Kareem's cap hit in 2015 is $7.45m (will go up to $7.5m if plays 16 games). Jackson & Newton's cap flows are pretty flat over the life of their respective contracts. Seems high today, but will be cheap in years 2,3,4...etc.

 

[badboy]

It is good for players like Brooks to see how Texans retained guys like Newton, KJ and stepped up big for Watt. Keep his mouth shut, play to his best and he will be rewarded.

 

[Texian]

The Indianapolis Colts have signed Trent Cole, Frank Gore and Andre Johnson and still have more available salary cap space than the Houston Texans. See what I mean about having more cap space means you can be more competitive Vern?

 

[NastyNate]

The Indianapolis Colts have signed Trent Cole, Frank Gore and Andre Johnson and still have more available salary cap space than the Houston Texans. See what I mean about having more cap space means you can be more competitive Vern?

How many snaps of meaningful football have been played so far for this league year? Doesn't mean a thing...

 

[DX-TEX]

The Indianapolis Colts have signed Trent Cole, Frank Gore and Andre Johnson and still have more available salary cap space than the Houston Texans. See what I mean about having more cap space means you can be more competitive Vern?

How many snaps of meaningful football have been played so far for this league year? Doesn't mean a thing...

This. Signing a BUNCH of aging vets is looked at as a good thing?
Also add they will have to pay Luck and Hilton the next couple years while we will be around 60 million under the cap next year even before it potentially jumps again

 

[JB]

This. Signing a BUNCH of aging vets is looked at as a good thing?
Also add they will have to pay Luck and Hilton the next couple years while we will be around 60 million under the cap next year even before it potentially jumps again

not to mention they've lost Cory Redding and haven't resigned their own guys yet...

 

[michaelm]

The Indianapolis Colts have signed Trent Cole, Frank Gore and Andre Johnson and still have more available salary cap space than the Houston Texans. See what I mean about having more cap space means you can be more competitive Vern?

How many snaps of meaningful football have been played so far for this league year? Doesn't mean a thing...

This. Signing a BUNCH of aging vets is looked at as a good thing?
Also add they will have to pay Luck and Hilton the next couple years while we will be around 60 million under the cap next year even before it potentially jumps again

While I don't agree fully that it means nothing, I promise you if the Texans had made these signings, a whole bunch of people here would be criticizing the team and citing previous poor FA signings like Ahman Green, Eric Moulds and Ed Reed.

Texian, I'm convinced you would not be as supportive of the exact same signings if the Texans had made them.

 

[EllisUnit]

This. Signing a BUNCH of aging vets is looked at as a good thing?
Also add they will have to pay Luck and Hilton the next couple years while we will be around 60 million under the cap next year even before it potentially jumps again

Damn 60 million under the cap, that will be something new for our Texans.

 

[DX-TEX]

Damn 60 million under the cap, that will be something new for our Texans.

Yet the casual fans will scream "FIRE RICK SMITH!". We can also add quite a bit more by cutting Foster and Brown loose (not saying we should). We would save quite a bit more by cutting than retaining.

Watt's deal is the perfect example of how to avoid cap issues. 22 million this year then drops for 3 years to around 12 each

 

[EllisUnit]

Yet the casual fans will scream "FIRE RICK SMITH!". We can also add quite a bit more by cutting Foster and Brown loose (not saying we should). We would save quite a bit more by cutting than retaining.

Watt's deal is the perfect example of how to avoid cap issues. 22 million this year then drops for 3 years to around 12 each

Smith seems to be making smarter decisions now that Kubiak isn't here IMO

 

[DX-TEX]

Smith seems to be making smarter decisions now that Kubiak isn't here IMO

Funny "coincidence" eh?

 

[Texian]

Texian, I'm convinced you would not be as supportive of the exact same signings if the Texans had made them.

I think most have missed the point here in their rush to judgement. The point being the COLTS have signed 3 Pro Bowlers to their 2015 roster and still have more cap space than the Texans do now. And the Colts have had this this same advantage for the last three years.

You're right, my 2 cents before it happens. When the Texans sign Wilfork I think he will be here to mainly to cash a check. I'm hopeful that the best thing he can do is slap some sense, maturity and professionalism in to Louis Nix, that would be the best thing he can do. The difference in Colts signing Cole, Johnson and Gore is all those guys are very likely to play considerably more than 50% of offensive or defensive plays. Wilfork didn't play 50% of the plays in NE last year. He's basically now a 2 down lineman now not the 80% player he once was.

 

[EllisUnit]

I think most have missed the point here in their rush to judgement. The point being the COLTS have signed 3 Pro Bowlers to their 2015 roster and still have more cap space than the Texans do now. And the Colts have had this this same advantage for the last three years.

You're right, my 2 cents before it happens. When the Texans sign Wilfork I think he will be here to mainly to cash a check. I'm hopeful that the best thing he can do is slap some sense, maturity and professionalism in to Louis Nix, that would be the best thing he can do. The difference in Colts signing Cole, Johnson and Gore is all those guys are very likely to play considerably more than 50% of offensive or defensive plays. Wilfork didn't play 50% of the plays in NE last year. He's basically now a 2 down lineman now not the 80% player he once was.

HAHA you sure about how many snaps Wilfork played for NE last season....might want to re look that homie.

 

[Texian]

HAHA you sure about how many snaps Wilfork played for NE last season....might want to re look that homie.

Yep, I'm sure because I did.

 

[infantrycak]

Damn 60 million under the cap, that will be something new for our Texans.

Temper the enthusiasm on that a little. We won't have anything close to that once the 53 is locked down for this season.

Yep, I'm sure because I did.

Then you misread because it's already been posted that you're incorrect before you made the statement.

 

[DX-TEX]

Temper the enthusiasm on that a little. We won't have anything close to that once the 53 is locked down for this season.



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Need to look again. Even when you add Hoyer and now Mathis in we are closer to 60 than 50

 

[Marshall]

Temper the enthusiasm on that a little. We won't have anything close to that once the 53 is locked down for this season.



Then you misread because it's already been posted that you're incorrect before you made the statement.

Somebody has bad info. But I don't know who.

 

[banned1976]

While I don't agree fully that it means nothing, I promise you if the Texans had made these signings, a whole bunch of people here would be criticizing the team and citing previous poor FA signings like Ahman Green, Eric Moulds and Ed Reed.

Texian, I'm convinced you would not be as supportive of the exact same signings if the Texans had made them.

Which makes me wonder why so many fans want us to sign Wilfork?

 

[Texian]

Somebody has bad info. But I don't know who.

Me for one, I misread, thought he played 566 snaps . He actually played 766 snaps. Although almost ALL at DE NOT NT.

 

[Double Barrel]

Damn 60 million under the cap, that will be something new for our Texans.

Just wait and see where they are at after giving Andy Luck the richest contract in NFL.

Of course, the luxury of having a great-to-elite QB is that you can get role players around him instead of superstars. d'oh!

 

[steelbtexan]

Which makes me wonder why so many fans want us to sign Wilfork?

Because Wilfork can still play and his position doesn't require speed like Moulds/Green/Reed's positions do.

I mean Ted Washington played NT until he was 37-38 yrs old?

 

[banned1976]

Because Wilfork can still play and his position doesn't require speed like Moulds/Green/Reed's positions do.

I mean Ted Washington played NT until he was 37-38 yrs old?

He retired when he was 39 and that is not typical for that position. Sure, if we get Wilfork we can hope he can still play at a high level for 2-3 years (don't think the Texans will make much noise in 2015 with or w/o Wilfork) but for me, anyway, if we're going to go with a youth movement for the future it doesn't make much sense to sign a 33 year old vet at any position.

I'd prefer a cheaper/younger alternative to rotate with Nix.

 

[infantrycak]

He retired when he was 39 and that is not typical for that position.

Pat Williams 38
Jamal Williams 38
Casey Hampton 35
Joe Klecko 36
Tony Siragusa 35

Interior lineman don't need to be discarded for turning 33.

 

[ChampionTexan]

Damn 60 million under the cap, that will be something new for our Texans.

Just wait and see where they are at after giving Andy Luck the richest contract in NFL.

Pretty sure that's not going to change it by a penny.

 

[EllisUnit]

Me for one, I misread, thought he played 566 snaps . He actually played 766 snaps. Although almost ALL at DE NOT NT.

I know.....

 

[PHILLYTEXANFAN]

Need to look again. Even when you add Hoyer and now Mathis in we are closer to 60 than 50

Maybe they'll chase Dez, Julio or Aj Green...

 

[Texian]

How many snaps of meaningful football have been played so far for this league year? Doesn't mean a thing...

This. Signing a BUNCH of aging vets is looked at as a good thing?
Also add they will have to pay Luck and Hilton the next couple years while we will be around 60 million under the cap next year even before it potentially jumps again

The Colts now have a legitimate shot of making it to the Super Bowl. They have surrounded Andrew Luck with plenty of legitimate high powered weapons, Frank Gore, T Y Hilton, Andre Johnson, Donte Moncrief, Coby Fleener and DeWayne Allen. Now tell me about the Texans....

When the time comes to sign Luck and Hilton to those 2nd contracts those aging vets and their salaries will be off the books or easy to cut without penalty. The Colts already have $66M in cap space in 2016 w/o cuts and could easily add another $20M w/ cuts if hey had to. Some GMs know how to plan and manage and others, well, not so much.

not to mention they've lost Cory Redding and haven't resigned their own guys yet...

and yet the Colts still have enough cash to upgrade Redding and fill their roster.

 

[infantrycak]

Currently on spotrac for 2016

Texans - $48.6
Colts - $51.4

Current FAs of note:
Texans
JJo
Merciless
Brooks
Jones
Bouye
Morris
Crick
Lechler (that's a fun autocorrect)

Colts
Casanova
Luck
Toler
Vinitieri
Freeman
Herremans
Fleener
Hilton

Real easy to see they will spend a ton more than us keeping guys.

 

[JB]

The Colts now have a legitimate shot of making it to the Super Bowl. They have surrounded Andrew Luck with plenty of legitimate high powered weapons, Frank Gore, T Y Hilton, Andre Johnson, Donte Moncrief, Coby Fleener and DeWayne Allen. Now tell me about the Texans....

When the time comes to sign Luck and Hilton to those 2nd contracts those aging vets and their salaries will be off the books or easy to cut without penalty. The Colts already have $66M in cap space in 2016 w/o cuts and could easily add another $20M w/ cuts if hey had to. Some GMs know how to plan and manage and others, well, not so much.



and yet the Colts still have enough cash to upgrade Redding and fill their roster.

Who was the upgrade on Redding?

 

[Texian]

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2016/

At this point in time 2016 cap figures are a bit confusing until 2015 53 man are set. Players now being signed in this off season will have contracts that will subtract from the 2016 cap space.

 

[infantrycak]

We are close to the same amount of cap space in 2016 and they have huge FA contracts for their LT and RT in addition to Luck, Fleener, Hilton and Toler.

 

[thunderkyss]

The last two Super Bowl teams have less cap space than we do. Are the Colts "managing" their cap better than the Seahawks & the Patriots?

The Buccaneers & the Titans were the worst teams in the league last year. They have more cap space than the Colts. Are the Bucs & Titans "managing" their cap better than the Colts?

Just from these four examples, I think it's safe to say that Texian's argument does not hold water.

 

[Texian]

Who was the upgrade on Redding?

Colts sign veteran defensive tackle Kendall Langford
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...gn-veteran-defensive-tackle-kendall-langford/

 

[paycheck71]

The last two Super Bowl teams have less cap space than we do. Are the Colts "managing" their cap better than the Seahawks & the Patriots?

The Buccaneers & the Titans were the worst teams in the league last year. They have more cap space than the Colts. Are the Bucs & Titans "managing" their cap better than the Colts?

Just from these four examples, I think it's safe to say that Texian's argument does not hold water.

It's never as simple as "how much cap space do you have entering the season?" More cap space isn't always better. It's such a simplistic way to look at things. Depends on a lot of questions.

How many players do you have under contract?
How good are the players you're paying?
How do you estimate the quality of your squad?
Do you think you're in the process of building your team, or are you a player or two away?

Oh, and it doesn't hurt to be getting quality play out of your rookie contract QB.

Texans and Colts have been in different cap situations over the last 3 years. Not comparable.

 

[Texian]

The last two Super Bowl teams have less cap space than we do.

True, now that the Texans have cut Myers and Johnson and please look at the talent and depth charts. Perspective please.

 

[paycheck71]

True, now that the Texans have cut Myers and Johnson and please look at the talent and depth charts. Perspective please.

That's a completely different story. You can disagree with their talent evaluation, and then you would probably have a lot more people agreeing with you.

 

[JB]

Colts sign veteran defensive tackle Kendall Langford
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...gn-veteran-defensive-tackle-kendall-langford/

Don't know that I'd consider that an upgrade, but ok

 

[Texian]

That's a completely different story. You can disagree with their talent evaluation, and then you would probably have a lot more people agreeing with you.

I think you should read TKs post to better understand the point and the perspective of the post. A. He was making a post Myer/Johnson comparison and what SEA and NE are getting for their $140M is really a poor comparison to the Texans $140M.