I happened to have seen the blueprint, thank you very much. I'll share it as long as everyone here keeps it a secret.
Phase One - Collect Career Backup QBs (check)
Phase Two - ?
Phase Three - Championship
BTW, Kenny, watch out for that trolly cart.
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Brian hoyer to sign with Texans
- Thread starter AcresHomesTexan
- Start date
Phase One - Collect Career Backup QBs (check)
Phase Two - ?
Phase Three - Championship
BTW, Kenny, watch out for that trolly cart.
Nawzer
Alienz
Hey I like what O'Brien is doing with the Texans even when we were struggling last year there were signs of good things happening. But I don't buy the Mallett/Hoyer taking us to the next level. I'll believe it when I see it.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
PapaL
Loose Screw
Yeah, I kind of miss that old Delete thread myself. That was a fun thread.
Thorn has been deleted.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
I hope Hoyer is coming here to back up Mallett.
Hoyer as insurance policy is pretty sweet. Hoyer as the answer is pretty meh.
Hoyer as insurance policy is pretty sweet. Hoyer as the answer is pretty meh.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
He may not come at all, but if he does it's a competition that everyone expects Mallett to win barring injury.
That happens with older systems. They just can't keep up!!
jaayteetx
All Pro
Really? I understand if he comes, he'll be paid more than Mallet. That usually says a lot, we'll see.
he has more experience than Mallett, and more demand also. It don't matter to me if he comes here or not, but I understand him getting more money to come in and compete for starters role
I hope Hoyer is given a real chance to compete. Not because I like him, but because Mallett is an unknown. I want an honest competition and think there will be one, regardless of who's named the game 1 starter. I want the starter to have a long enough leash to hang himself. That leash might extend into next year. Beats the hell out of spending a high 1st round pick on someone you're not sold on.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
That happens with older systems. They just can't keep up!!
And I suppose you're gonna tell me there's something wrong with DOS 6.2?
6.2????? You mean they moved on from 3.0 already?
corytx8
Rookie
Yeah, I kind of miss that old Delete thread myself. That was a fun thread.
Lol I see what you did there ^
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Hush, old timer...smoke your mangos and be in the background. LOL
TejasTom
All Pro
Yeah, I kind of miss that old Delete thread myself. That was a fun thread.
It's been almost a year since someone posted in it. Please delete thread
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
I have yet to use the ignore feature for any poster. Everyone is entitled to air their opinion and have it heard.
About the only thing that could change that will be a potty mouth fool spouting insults.
No place for it here.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I remember browsing that thread, as I had many others as mainly a lurker, thought maybe that was the thread I would assert myself. Then Monty Python's The Life Of Brian came on and I decided this website was too silly and watched that instead.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Keeping Mallet's rehab schedule in mind, this "competition" will probably not legitimately be assessible until TC.
speedfreek
All Pro
Honestly, having Mallet and Hoyer makes no sense to me.
Seems like we're just shuffling backup QBs hoping one turns
into Warner
It's like when you're playing Klondike and you know you are
out of moves -- but you keep flipping 3 cards over and over
and hoping you missed something that keeps the game going..
Seems like we're just shuffling backup QBs hoping one turns
into Warner
It's like when you're playing Klondike and you know you are
out of moves -- but you keep flipping 3 cards over and over
and hoping you missed something that keeps the game going..
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Pay won't name the starter in this instance.
Hoyer's agent reported to be still talking to Jets. We'll see tomorrow, I guess.
What makes you think Hoyer isn't the front runner going into the season? To me, all indicators point to the the fans loving Mallett more than O'Brien does.
speedfreek
All Pro
I hope the Jets make an offer too good to pass up.
We could use that money on our other needs, not in
stockpiling the other available Patriot scrap heap QB's.
Maybe in 3 years we can trade Savage for Garoppolo?
We could use that money on our other needs, not in
stockpiling the other available Patriot scrap heap QB's.
Maybe in 3 years we can trade Savage for Garoppolo?
michaelm
vox nihili
But I'm sure the exact same scenario would be fine with you if Keenum was one of the two backup QBs involved.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The nature of Hoyer's shoulder and biceps injuries have never been publicly characterized. The biceps injury is probably a proximal tendon tear of some sort. The shoulder injury, by the very nature of being driven into the turf could have been a dislocation, rotator cuff or labrum. There has been no report of Hoyer having undergone any surgeries following his injury. Without knowing the exact injuries and their extent, it would be too difficult to try to figure what his debilities if any might be. As I've said before, barring complications, Mallet should be expected to come back strong as ever.
Especially if Wade was the HC
badboy
Hall of Fame
Maybe we trade Hoyer to Jets for two second rounders after they trade their first to Philly for Mariota? Jets have their own second (#37) and Eagles (#52).
Philly get Mariota for Kelly
Jets get #20 & 2016 first plus Hoyer
Texans get 2015 # 37 and #52.
Houston then has #16, #37, #51 and # 52: WR Strong (or trade down),#37 NT Carl Davis, #51 CB Jalen Collins or Byron Jones, # 52 ILB Stephone Anthony
#16 could bring you TE Max Williams and late second FS Prewitt.
Philly get Mariota for Kelly
Jets get #20 & 2016 first plus Hoyer
Texans get 2015 # 37 and #52.
Houston then has #16, #37, #51 and # 52: WR Strong (or trade down),#37 NT Carl Davis, #51 CB Jalen Collins or Byron Jones, # 52 ILB Stephone Anthony
#16 could bring you TE Max Williams and late second FS Prewitt.
Sounds like a pipe dream
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
badboy
Hall of Fame
Well would Jets give up #37?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Why would the Jets give up anything?
If they want him right now they just need to open the checkbook further.
That could very well be the case. What are the indicators you're looking at?
1) He stuck with Fitz over Mallett so long last year.
2) This one is more about fan perspective. The contract ideas floated for Mallett around here were many times what he signed for. This indicates many Texans fans have a higher opinion of Mallett than NFL coaches, of which O'Brien is one.
3) The need for Hoyer this year. The team already has competent backups, not great but adequate for a team that has so many other holes to fill. Hoyer is almost a luxury unless O'Brien thinks he might need him to start.
speedfreek
All Pro
I've already said what I would do..
#1 Mallet
#2 Keenum
#3 Savage
If Mallet gets hurt this team isn't going to do jack squat next
year playing a much tougher schedule than 2014.
What's the point in paying millions to backup QB's when the
entire point of this is to win championships.
Spend that money intelligently on other needs, and keep
backups that are pennies on the dollar..
As this team is constructed now, we wouldn't be a superbowl
favorite with Luck as our QB..
#1 Mallet
#2 Keenum
#3 Savage
If Mallet gets hurt this team isn't going to do jack squat next
year playing a much tougher schedule than 2014.
What's the point in paying millions to backup QB's when the
entire point of this is to win championships.
Spend that money intelligently on other needs, and keep
backups that are pennies on the dollar..
As this team is constructed now, we wouldn't be a superbowl
favorite with Luck as our QB..
PapaL
Loose Screw
I have yet to use the ignore feature for any poster. Everyone is entitled to air their opinion and have it heard.
About the only thing that could change that will be a potty mouth fool spouting insults.
No place for it here.
That they are. I just don't have to see their foolishness, as I'm entitled to as well. To me, this place is about exchanging thoughts and interacting. Spouting the same garble over and over is worthless to me, thus the ignore list. It's a nice option to have.
As currently constructed .... hell no.
But .... with a couple key additions via FA and the right players in the draft , you'd have a real contender with Luck under center.
In no specific order .... WR , TE , DT/DE , C , ILB & S.
Problem is .... We don't have Luck or the equivalent .....
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Not necessarily. I suggested one which had more money in it. But it was for the stated purposes of (a) making sure (don't pay big until at least 2 years in) (b) getting him on the cheap in the event of success while (c) allowing the Texans to dump him in the event of failure.
The way this one is set up, if he succeeds he'll get a new contract next season and we'll only get 1 cheap year.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
$7 mil a year isnt much for QB position, which is what we would be looking at with Mallett and Hoyer. I think it makes a lot of sense to spend extra for quality depth for the most important position in football.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Of course you don't.
Sorry if you thought I was judging you.
I was only giving my own thoughts about the option.
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Something Witty !
Of course you don't.
Sorry if you thought I was judging you.
I was only giving my own thoughts about the option.
I think Hoyers is not bad , he's a little better than Fitz IMO . I think he did a good job with the Browns . The Brown's TE was a fantasy beast in 2013 as was Josh Gordon . The TE was hurt last year and Gordon was gone .
As currently constructed .... hell no.
But .... with a couple key additions via FA and the right players in the draft , you'd have a real contender with Luck under center.
In no specific order .... WR , TE , DT/DE , C , ILB & S.
Problem is .... We don't have Luck or the equivalent .....
They aren't going to be able to fill all of those needs this offseason in the draft and certainly not in FA given their cap situation. Spending $$$$$ on multiple yrs of Hoyer isn't good business. IMHO
The Texans aren't going to win a SB next yr so I wish they would bite the bullet and cut high paid frequently injured guys like Cushing/Foster. Would it set the team back? Yes. But going into next offseason they would have the cap room to fill the needs you listed and because of the lesser record a higher draft slot. This is long range planning.
For far too long the Texans org has had the philosophy of trying to win now, future be damned and this is why they are always up against the cap and having to fill holes with rookie draft picks and when some of those draft picks cant come in and contribute immediately they are screwed. See: KJ/Swearinger etc.... This season should be about getting Mallett playing time (He's basically a rookie) see what he's got and plan for the FUTURE accordingly.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Of course you don't.
Sorry if you thought I was judging you.
I was only giving my own thoughts about the option.
I guess we did stray from the original post.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Cushing you can make the argument on long range planning to take the bullet now. Arian Foster not so much. His dead money if cut next year is minimal. So might as well play him this year, draft a successor and then cut/trade him next season. That's long term planning on the successor, something I find very lacking in the draft forum where too often the discussion is to wait until you cut someone to draft their replacement.
TexanFan881
All Pro
It's official:
badboy
Hall of Fame
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I guess you are into causing **** storms. There'd be furor even to the point of litigation if the Texans did that. And rightfully so.
My offseason bashing of Hoyer now ends. I thought he was a lousy QB in Cleveland. Ready to see what he's got in Houston. #buying the groceries
badboy
Hall of Fame
Guess I am missing something? What has signing a FA then trading have to do with litigation?