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Texans 2015 Free Agency

TEXANRED said:
The only way we go after Hoyer is we are trying for a top 5 pick next year.
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I think if we're looking at Hoyer, it is if Mallett decides to sign elsewhere. Hoyer would be an improvement over Fitz
 
Forget all this talk about harvin. If thats the type of player we want why not go after Bush?

One guy I would like to see us go after is Roy Helu.
 
Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock · 36m36 minutes ago
Texans fans waiting for news on QB tonight, go ahead and forward your clock one hour. It'll get you closer to tomorrow. Not coming tonight.

Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock · 33m33 minutes ago
@HouseOfHouston yeah, just reached out. Should know something tomorrow.
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:kitten:
 
One last crazy, way out there idea of why the Texans have made no movement on Mallett:

Texans have a trade in place for Andre Johnson. Just waiting for Andre to restructure his new deal so the trade with the Patriots can be finalized. In return the Texans get Jimmy Garrapollo. Rumor last draft was BOB wanted him at 3.1

Out there but you never know.
 
DX-TEX said:
One last crazy, way out there idea of why the Texans have made no movement on Mallett:

Texans have a trade in place for Andre Johnson. Just waiting for Andre to restructure his new deal so the trade with the Patriots can be finalized. In return the Texans get Jimmy Garrapollo. Rumor last draft was BOB wanted him at 3.1

Out there but you never know.
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I don't see that.

That leaves the Patriots with no one except Brady on the team who knows the offense. They'd either have to go after Hoyer or Mallett or take a chance on some rookie coming in.

Unless we trade them AJ and Fitzpatrick for Garoppolo.

I just don't see it happening, though. That's entering crazy trade-talk land.
 
infantrycak said:
If Harvin can be had for half of Maclin I'd go that route.
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Yeah, because Harvin has done what in his career? If you're going to pay someone at least pay the guy that has achieved and proven things in this league. All Harvin has done is get thrown off of three teams, and shown that he can't be a traditional WR on any of those teams. He also has problems with teammates and coaches. Then you can't forget the potential suspension he could get with another failed drug test. He also gets injured a lot.

Maclin had one season ending injury and came back had a career year making that injury obsolete. Maclin had shown a lot of promise before that injury as well. He finally got his time to shine and he lit up the room this year.

If the injury concerns are the issue, Harvin arguably is a bigger injury concern than Maclin. Maclin has shown more potential as a player and more recently as well. He doesn't have the attitude either.
 
DX-TEX said:
One last crazy, way out there idea of why the Texans have made no movement on Mallett:

Texans have a trade in place for Andre Johnson. Just waiting for Andre to restructure his new deal so the trade with the Patriots can be finalized. In return the Texans get Jimmy Garrapollo. Rumor last draft was BOB wanted him at 3.1

Out there but you never know.
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Patriots wouldn't have the money to trade for AJ. His contract is to high, and that is why we can't trade him. Teams know he'll be a free agent any way once we cut him.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yeah, because Harvin has done what in his career? If you're going to pay someone at least pay the guy that has achieved and proven things in this league. All Harvin has done is get thrown off of three teams, and shown that he can't be a traditional WR on any of those teams. He also has problems with teammates and coaches. Then you can't forget the potential suspension he could get with another failed drug test. He also gets injured a lot.

Maclin had one season ending injury and came back had a career year making that injury obsolete. Maclin had shown a lot of promise before that injury as well. He finally got his time to shine and he lit up the room this year.

If the injury concerns are the issue, Harvin arguably is a bigger injury concern than Maclin. Maclin has shown more potential as a player and more recently as well. He doesn't have the attitude either.
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Maclin has 5 seasons in the league (and 1 lost completely due to injury) and 1 thousand yard season which came in the pass happy 150 more passing attempts than the Texans Kelly O.. and is going to get $11 mil a year. He has good attitude but he also is a high injury risk with not just the ACL but other ankle, knee and hip injuries. I think he’s a giant risk of having had his best season and underperforming on an $11 mil contract.

Yes Harvin has risks, no argument, but I prefaced the suggestion on him being cheap as in $3-4 mil. Lot harder to underperform that and the upside is large.

But perfectly fine to disagree.
 
infantrycak said:
Maclin has 5 seasons in the league (and 1 lost completely due to injury) and 1 thousand yard season ... and is going to get $11 mil a year. He has good attitude but he also is a high injury risk with not just the ACL but other ankle, knee and hip injuries. I think he’s a giant risk of underperforming on an $11 mil contract.

Yes Harvin has risks, no argument, but I prefaced the suggestion on him being cheap as in $3-4 mil. Lot harder to underperform that and the upside is large.

But perfectly fine to disagree.
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There's risks which ever way you go. Think I'd rather have a Cecil Shorts or Harvin type guy AND a Wilfork. Get a solid WR in the draft
 
infantrycak said:
Maclin has 5 seasons in the league (and 1 lost completely due to injury) and 1 thousand yard season which came in the pass happy 150 more passing attempts than the Texans Kelly O.. and is going to get $11 mil a year. He has good attitude but he also is a high injury risk with not just the ACL but other ankle, knee and hip injuries. I think he’s a giant risk of having had his best season and underperforming on an $11 mil contract.

Yes Harvin has risks, no argument, but I prefaced the suggestion on him being cheap as in $3-4 mil. Lot harder to underperform that and the upside is large.

But perfectly fine to disagree.
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Agree and that is why i also want Harvin, we are getting a pretty solid WR at a pretty low cap hit. Leaving us with plenty more $$$ to fill some of our other holes we need to fill with good to solid players in FA.
 
infantrycak said:
That's exactly what I'm angling for - one of Wilfork or McCourty.
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JB said:
I'm greedy, I want both
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What do you guys think Wilfork would cost? I don't see that he has a lot of value as a 34 year old NT in a FA market that is loaded at NT. The 2011 Wilfork, sure. Not now.

McCourty is looking for #1 CB money, which is crazy. He's a typical good player that comes overpriced after a Super Bowl win. To me, cutting guys like AJ and Myers to sign these guys would make zero sense.
 
Lucky said:
What do you guys think Wilfork would cost? I don't see that he has a lot of value as a 34 year old NT in a FA market that is loaded at NT. The 2011 Wilfork, sure. Not now.

McCourty is looking for #1 CB money, which is crazy. He's a typical good player that comes overpriced after a Super Bowl win. To me, cutting guys like AJ and Myers to sign these guys would make zero sense.
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Finally a voice of reason. :goodpost:
 
JB said:
Hoyer would be an improvement over Fitz
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No, Hoyer would not be an improvement. Hoyer has never had a season as good as Fitz' 2014. You know I'm not a Fitz fan. But, he's definitely a better QB than Hoyer. The Hoyer talk is stupefying to me. I'm not that comfortable with him as a backup.
 
Lucky said:
No, Hoyer would not be an improvement. Hoyer has never had a season as good as Fitz' 2014. You know I'm not a Fitz fan. But, he's definitely a better QB than Hoyer. The Hoyer talk is stupefying to me. I'm not that comfortable with him as a backup.
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And even weirder are reports that Billy might want both Hoyer and Mallet in the Texans camp this year ?
 
My guess Bobs scenario is have mallet (4years in the system), Hoyer (I think was in the system for 3years) and savage (going on 2 years) ?
 
IDEXAN said:
And even weirder are reports that Billy might want both Hoyer and Mallet in the Texans camp this year ?
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I wonder if it's Billy or Rick putting this out there? It's never a good idea to have a target acquisition (Mallet) thinking he has you over a barrel going into negotiations. You always make sure you have a plan B and that plan A knows it.
 
IDEXAN said:
And even weirder are reports that Billy might want both Hoyer and Mallet in the Texans camp this year ?
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When you consider the Johnny Football fiasco, the GM texting play calls, and being stuck with Brian Hoyer as your starting QB, Pettine and Kyle Shanahan were miracle workers getting that Browns team to 7-9. If you're going into a season with Brian Hoyer as a starting QB consideration, you're already in trouble.

Wolf said:
My guess Bobs scenario is have mallet (4years in the system), Hoyer (I think was in the system for 3years) and savage (going on 2 years) ?
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Hoyer could be "in the system" for 10 years. But, he would still be Hoyer. This would be worse than bringing back Carr in 2006. At least as bad as not having a viable backup plan to Schaub in 2013. If the Hoyer talk is designed to keep me from saying bad stuff about Fitz, then consider it done. I'm now a member of the Keep Fitz Club.
 
Lucky said:
What do you guys think Wilfork would cost? I don't see that he has a lot of value as a 34 year old NT in a FA market that is loaded at NT. The 2011 Wilfork, sure. Not now.

McCourty is looking for #1 CB money, which is crazy. He's a typical good player that comes overpriced after a Super Bowl win. To me, cutting guys like AJ and Myers to sign these guys would make zero sense.
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If McCourty is over pricing himself then cross him off. About $7 mil as the ceiling.

Wilfork 33 - 2 years $10 mil.

Hoyer I agree would not be an improvement on Fitz. It's possible but he has some catching up to even first. Maybe "runs the system" better but the high end result seems to be smoother running placeholder.

Observation from the KJ contract. The Texans aren't feeling cap strapped for whatever they have planned. They could have done exactly the same deal with the 1st year roster bonus being rolled into the signing bonus and the deal would be $3 mil less on this year's cap. That's great for future cap planning but it doesn't spell needing room for new players this year.
 
IMHO so far Rick and Billy have navigated the challenging waters of FA very well for the Texans. Now I realize it's far from complete since we've still got a big question mark at QB ? By all reports that was a real horse race between the Texans and Chip Kelly/Eagles for Kareem, and that's some pretty formidable competition. I'm liking it so far.
 
infantrycak said:
If McCourty is over pricing himself then cross him off. About $7 mil as the ceiling.

Wilfork 33 - 2 years $10 mil.

Hoyer I agree would not be an improvement on Fitz. It's possible but he has some catching up to even first. Maybe "runs the system" better but the high end result seems to be smoother running placeholder.

Observation from the KJ contract. The Texans aren't feeling cap strapped for whatever they have planned. They could have done exactly the same deal with the 1st year roster bonus being rolled into the signing bonus and the deal would be $3 mil less on this year's cap. That's great for future cap planning but it doesn't spell needing room for new players this year.
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The advantage to writing contracts heavy on Roster bonuses is that they are easily converted to signing bonuses as needed. What player wouldn't take the up front cash? But it keeps the cap space full so you meet spending minimums without mortgaging the future.

This is why I will continue to say we have a lot more Cap flexibility than what is shown. We could even redo the contracts written this year to free up additional space this season.

I'm impressed with the direction of the FO Cap management.
 
infantrycak said:
Wilfork 33 - 2 years $10 mil.
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Right, he'll turn 34 during the season. I still think $5 million a year is too much for a part time, 2 down NT. I don't see the need to allocate resources for a player like that.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I don't see that.

[]bThat leaves the Patriots with no one except Brady on the team who knows the offense.[/b] They'd either have to go after Hoyer or Mallett or take a chance on some rookie coming in.

Unless we trade them AJ and Fitzpatrick for Garoppolo.

I just don't see it happening, though. That's entering crazy trade-talk land.
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Isnt that what they did last year trading Mallet and keeping Garrapollo as the back up?

Texecutioner said:
Patriots wouldn't have the money to trade for AJ. His contract is to high, and that is why we can't trade him. Teams know he'll be a free agent any way once we cut him.
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Why I said Dre is renegotiating a contract and it is holding it up. Why not trade for him if all the talk that the Colts really want him? remove the competition.

It is a crazy idea but it does have its merits.
 
Lucky said:
Right, he'll turn 34 during the season. I still think $5 million a year is too much for a part time, 2 down NT. I don't see the need to allocate resources for a player like that.
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Generally I agree with you on NT. Wilfork is someone I'm willing to make a temporary exception for.

Possible side bonus, maybe he can teach Nix to be fat and motivated at the same time.

Is there a number at which you would feel comfortable bringing him in?

Marshall said:
The advantage to writing contracts heavy on Roster bonuses is that they are easily converted to signing bonuses as needed. What player wouldn't take the up front cash? But it keeps the cap space full so you meet spending minimums without mortgaging the future.
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The conversion from roster to prorated bonus doesn't change the timing for the player. You're thinking of conversion from base salary to prorated bonus.

Contracts cannot be immediately redone (1 year rule iirc) so there's no converting KJ's roster bonus now.
 
infantrycak said:
Because he's 4 years older and a RB rather than a receiver.
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I never said deign him to a long term contract. Neither one deserves anything over a three year deal that could be terminated early without dead money. And Bush can be used in the slot. There were experts saying he should be drafted as a WR when he was coming out. He has his warts but nothing like Harvin.
 
mussop said:
I never said deign him to a long term contract. Neither one deserves anything over a three year deal that could be terminated early without dead money. And Bush can be used in the slot. There were experts saying he should be drafted as a WR when he was coming out. He has his warts but nothing like Harvin.
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There is still buzz that Bush's name is connected with the Jamie Sharper drug rape allegations. No way in hell the Texans even consider him
 
Harvin's reputation as a "locker room cancer" is well-establish and well-deserved......dating back to high school and never letting up........not a matter of a specific one or two incidents.

A look at Harvin's history of transgressions:

•Harvin might have sealed his fate with the Seahawks in last week's loss to the Dallas Cowboys, refusing to play late in the game, the Seattle Times reported. He played 26 of 48 snaps on offense but didn't play 11 of the final 17. He touched the ball six times for minus-1 yard.

•Curiously, this story didn't break until Friday, but several media outlets reported that Harvin had an altercation with fellow receiver Golden Tate leading up to the Super Bowl last February. Tate ended up with a black eye.

•In the preseason, Harvin and teammate Doug Baldwin were involved in a scuffle that resulted in a gash on Baldwin's chin, the Times reported. Both players were excused from practice that week.

•Harvin's time in Minnesota, 2009 to 2012, was filled with a number of incidents. One played out on national television, with Harvin screaming at then-coach Leslie Frazier on the sideline during a game in Seattle in 2012. Weeks later, Harvin reportedly got into another argument with Frazier that was witnessed by some players and staff members.

•Harvin also had disputes with Frazier's predecessor, Brad Childress. One such altercation occurred in 2010, when Childress questioned Harvin's effort in practice. Harvin, limping with an apparent ankle injury, took exception, and the two had to be separated by players and coaches, according to reports. Another time, they got into a shouting match in the weight room, which included Harvin throwing a weight at Childress. It put a hole in the wall.

•In 2009, Harvin reportedly tested positive for marijuana at the NFL scouting combine. That didn't stop the Jets from showing interest. In fact, they flew to Florida the week of the draft to spend private time with Harvin. After trading up for quarterback Mark Sanchez, they tried to trade back into the first round for Harvin, but then-general manager Mike Tannenbaum deemed the price too steep.

•Harvin also had problems in college at Florida. He tested positive for marijuana, refused to run the stadium steps with other teammates during a conditioning session, and attacked wide receivers coach Billy Gonzales, according to The Sporting News. Harvin threw Gonzales to the ground by his neck, according to the report.

•Harvin is regarded as one of the greatest high school athletes from the Virginia Beach, Virginia, area, but Harvin encountered trouble in his early years. He was suspended twice, once for unsportsmanlike contact and another time for contacting an official and using inappropriate language. In the spring of his senior year, when he ran track, he was banished by the local high school sports association, reportedly stemming from a fight during a basketball game.
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If that's not enough to consider, you might look at his injury history.

Harvin's had physical ailments that have repeatedly impacted his football career. As a Florida freshman he sat out a week with a neck sprain. As a sophomore he missed time with a sinus infection. His junior year, he underwent arthroscopic surgery on his heel, which had caused other injuries dating to high school, and late in the season suffered an ankle injury.

There were the migraine headaches that he had dealt with since childhood and that caused him to miss games in his first two NFL seasons with the Vikings. But with help from the Vikings, he said when he joined the Seahawks in 2013 that he hadn't had a migraine in two years.

Then there was the hip surgery that Harvin needed in August 2013 after the trade to Seattle. It was an arthroscopic procedure that took him all season to rehab from. He finally returned for the Seahawks' NFC Divisional Round win, missed the NFC title game with a concussion, then was one of the 'Hawks' Super stars.

Last year, his injury-affected mechanics led to a recurrence of his heel and ankle problems which he dealt with over half of the season, while dealing with a quad strain/tear over the other half of the season.

My vote.........PASS at ANY price.
 
Lucky said:
When you consider the Johnny Football fiasco, the GM texting play calls, and being stuck with Brian Hoyer as your starting QB, Pettine and Kyle Shanahan were miracle workers getting that Browns team to 7-9. If you're going into a season with Brian Hoyer as a starting QB consideration, you're already in trouble.


Hoyer could be "in the system" for 10 years. But, he would still be Hoyer. This would be worse than bringing back Carr in 2006. At least as bad as not having a viable backup plan to Schaub in 2013. If the Hoyer talk is designed to keep me from saying bad stuff about Fitz, then consider it done. I'm now a member of the Keep Fitz Club.
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At one point he Browns were 7 and 4. Then Alex Mack got hurt, Gordon came back and the whole offense seemed to lose all continuity. Not saying Hoyer is anything special but at least he has a real nfl arm. Something Fitz has never had. The real miracle worker was OB having to work with A QB who has a weaker arm than a lot of high school QBs
 
IDEXAN said:
And even weirder are reports that Billy might want both Hoyer and Mallet in the Texans camp this year ?
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I dunno but the only regular reports I've seen regarding Texans interest in Hoyer has been ESPN. Outside of that has anyone else reported or verified the FO's interest?
 
Goldensilence said:
I dunno but the only regular reports I've seen regarding Texans interest in Hoyer has been ESPN. Outside of that has anyone else reported or verified the FO's interest?
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yeah they are all over Twitter.

I still feel Mallet signing being delayed has something to do with Dre's status.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Harvin's reputation as a "locker room cancer" is well-establish and well-deserved......dating back to high school and never letting up........not a matter of a specific one or two incidents.



If that's not enough to consider, you might look at his injury history.

Harvin's had physical ailments that have repeatedly impacted his football career. As a Florida freshman he sat out a week with a neck sprain. As a sophomore he missed time with a sinus infection. His junior year, he underwent arthroscopic surgery on his heel, which had caused other injuries dating to high school, and late in the season suffered an ankle injury.

There were the migraine headaches that he had dealt with since childhood and that caused him to miss games in his first two NFL seasons with the Vikings. But with help from the Vikings, he said when he joined the Seahawks in 2013 that he hadn't had a migraine in two years.

Then there was the hip surgery that Harvin needed in August 2013 after the trade to Seattle. It was an arthroscopic procedure that took him all season to rehab from. He finally returned for the Seahawks' NFC Divisional Round win, missed the NFC title game with a concussion, then was one of the 'Hawks' Super stars.

Last year, his injury-affected mechanics led to a recurrence of his heel and ankle problems which he dealt with over half of the season, while dealing with a quad strain/tear over the other half of the season.

My vote.........PASS at ANY price.
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MSR!!!!!!
 
DX-TEX said:
yeah they are all over Twitter.

I still feel Mallet signing being delayed has something to do with Dre's status.
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Maybe that was just hopeful thinking on my part. I have no interest in Hoyer signing in Houston and best case he'd be another stop gap QB. I think Mallet has a lot more upside and could be a quality NFL caliber QB.

Of course it's going to come down to numbers.
 
DX-TEX said:
Isnt that what they did last year trading Mallet and keeping Garrapollo as the back up?



Why I said Dre is renegotiating a contract and it is holding it up. Why not trade for him if all the talk that the Colts really want him? remove the competition.

It is a crazy idea but it does have its merits.
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Trade Andre for Garapolo and then send Foster to Minnasota for Peterson. Become a power running team with a good young QB and build the defense up with the draft. :drool:

Sorry went into dreamland for a minute.
 
mussop said:
At one point he Browns were 7 and 4.
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That's exactly my point. The Browns were winning in spite of Hoyer. Not because of Hoyer.

I've heard a lot of talk about how O'Brien loves accuracy. Well, sure. What coach likes inaccuracy? The coach that plays Brian Hoyer, that's who. He can't hit the broad side of a barn.

Again, I don't really like Fitz. I remember you jumping all over my suggestion of benching him in the Giants game and putting in Mallett (still think that was the right thing to do). I just really, really, really don't want to see Brian Hoyer playing QB for the Houston Texans.

DX-TEX said:
There is still buzz that Bush's name is connected with the Jamie Sharper drug rape allegations.
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Wait...Sharper raped Reggie Bush? I didn't even know they were dating?
 
DX-TEX said:
Like I have said just something that ran through my head, nothing concrete.
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I've thought about the same thing. not that it os going to happen but could it happen. Maybe if we got dre to restructure or if we added a draft pick????
 
Lucky said:
That's exactly my point. The Browns were winning in spite of Hoyer. Not because of Hoyer.

I've heard a lot of talk about how O'Brien loves accuracy. Well, sure. What coach likes inaccuracy? The coach that plays Brian Hoyer, that's who. He can't hit the broad side of a barn.

Again, I don't really like Fitz. I remember you jumping all over my suggestion of benching him in the Giants game and putting in Mallett (still think that was the right thing to do). I just really, really, really don't want to see Brian Hoyer playing QB for the Houston Texans.


Wait...Sharper raped Reggie Bush? I didn't even know they were dating?
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Are you sure that was me?????
 
Lucky said:
Wait...Sharper raped Reggie Bush? I didn't even know they were dating?
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mussop said:
I've thought about the same thing. not that it os going to happen but could it happen. Maybe if we got dre to restructure or if we added a draft pick????
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Give them the 7th rounder we gave up for Mallett. Everybody wins.
 
DX-TEX said:
Isnt that what they did last year trading Mallet and keeping Garrapollo as the back up?
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But they only traded Mallett after training camp was over and they were able to see what they had with the rookie. By making a trade this early, they'd be jumping in with both feet without having any indication if the rookie would step up or not.

This is too early for them to make that trade.
 
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