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All encompassing Rick Smith thread

Texian said:
BTW it was Bob who lost his temper on the flight home from Jax and fired Kubiak the next morning not Cal. It was also Bob who is responsible for the mess the Texans are in today. At the same press conference where McNair fired Kubiak Bob also said that the Texans were a playoff team capable of winning the Super Bowl and quite adamantly and repetitively said they were not rebuilding.

Had cooler heads prevailed and understood that a new coach, with an average team, aging veterans, a mismanaged salary cap and NO QB, did in fact need rebuilding and a major house cleaning to go with it. Trading AJ last year along with a few other adjustments could've put the Texans over $40 million under the cap going in to the 2015 season. This not hindsight because I was saying the same thing this time last year.
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Instead you got a team that rebounded to 9-7 with momentum going into the following season.
 
JB said:
As it should be... the owner always has ultimate command. It's that way in any business. The man that writes the checks has it his way. If you don't believe it's that way in 32 NFL franchises and millions of business out there, your very naive
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They all are not run the same way and some are much more successful than others. Believe me I am not naive, I owned and operated my own business (over 50 employees). Very successfully I might add. I have walked in those shoes so I know a little about what I am talking about.
 
Ruh-roh the internet dicktape is out.

Nobody said they are all run the same. The statement was all owners have final say.
 
Texian said:
They all are not run the same way and some are much more successful than others. Believe me I am not naive, I owned and operated my own business. Very successfully I might add. I have walked in those shoes so I know a little about what I am talking about.
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Good, then you know what I'm talking about. You also know that you're not the only one. You also know that Cal may have had an input, but in no way did he have sole, or overiding input. And to suggest that because he's sitting at the front of the room with his dad shows that he did have is just ludicrous. You can play on the semantics of control all you want, but we all know (well most of us do) that Cal or Bob McNair controlled the 2014 draft
 
JB said:
Good, then you know what I'm talking about. You also know that you're not the only one. You also know that Cal may have had an input, but in no way did he have sole, or overiding input. And to suggest that because he's sitting at the front of the room with his dad shows that he did have is just ludicrous. You can play on the semantics of control all you want, but we all know (well most of us do) that Cal or Bob McNair controlled the 2014 draft
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I don't think that I ever said that. I believe what I said was, "Cal has as much say and influence, if not more so, than anyone else in that room"

Is ludicrous? uumm no it's not. Make no mistake that Cal will be the next the owner of the Houston Texans. And if you believe that he's only a figure head today then maybe you're the one's that's a little naive.

"we all know (well most of us do) that Cal or Bob McNair controlled the 2014 draft" I have said since day 1 of last year's draft that I believe that it was Bob McNair who made the final decision to draft Clowney.

Have you ever tried listening to learn instead of listening in order to formulate a response?
 
Texian said:
"we all know (well most of us do) that Cal or Bob McNair controlled the 2014 draft" I have said since day 1 of last year's draft that I believe that it was Bob McNair who made the final decision to draft Clowney.

Have you ever tried listening to learn instead of listening in order to formulate a response?
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yeah my typing sux. I meant to say that neither Cal nor Bob McNair controlled that draft.

Haven't you been saying that OB has final say on the 53? You're above statement contradicts that. Try to remember what you say from thread to thread and get over yourself
 
JB said:
yeah my typing sux. I meant to say that neither Cal nor Bob McNair controlled that draft.

Haven't you been saying that OB has final say on the 53? You're above statement contradicts that. Try to remember what you say from thread to thread and get over yourself
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I have said that OB has final say on the 53 man roster, it's in his contract. And that is true for the most part. The exception is when Bob McNair decides to run his selective interference. What is OB going to do? fire McNair or say yes sir may I have another? C'mon man, lets try using a little common sense instead of looking for fight.
 
JB said:
But he can feel good about eventually being right
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Again JB a little common sense please. I'm not 100% sure but I'm I'm fairly confident, 99.9% confident that Cal will inherit his fare share of the Houston Texans and the McNair estate and will become the next CEO of the Houston Texans.
 
Texian said:
I have said that OB has final say on the 53 man roster, it's in his contract. And that is true for the most part. The exception is when Bob McNair decides to run his selective interference. What is OB going to do? fire McNair or say yes sir may I have another? C'mon man, lets try using a little common sense instead of looking for fight.
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Not looking for a fight, you're being contradictory and assertively obtuse
 
JB said:
Not looking for a fight, you're being contradictory and assertively obtuse
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Sometimes that's what it takes to have a conversation with you. You've been very argumentative, even just for the sake of being argumentative. Even when it goes against good basic common sense.
 
Texian said:
Sometimes that's what it takes to have a conversation with you. You've been very argumentative, even just for the sake of being argumentative. Even when it goes against good basic common sense.
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Sorry, I really don't mean to be argumentative.

I just get tired of the random spouting of BS opinion as if it were fact and want some basis to back it up other than "cuz I said so"


edit: I don't mean by just you, it's the offseason, it runs rampant at these times
 
JB said:
As it should be... the owner always has ultimate command. It's that way in any business. The man that writes the checks has it his way. If you don't believe it's that way in 32 NFL franchises and millions of business out there, your very naive
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If you look at other teams draft war rooms you don't find all the owners front and center commanding all the attention. Dallas, Jerry and Stephen are the only ones that come close to Bob and Cal. Many more team pictures, if the owner is even in the picture, are off to the side of the GM and/or head coach who are front and center in the picture. Yes while the owner has the ultimate command and final say some of the more successful owners do a better job of delegating responsibilities while others are better at meddling.
 
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infantrycak said:
Looks to me like Cal got a text his mistress just got a new strap-on in, OB is pissed Cal is making him carry his weasel around, Bob can't believe his son likes being ridden like Seattle Slew and is considering selling off his stables and Rick is pissed the weasel keeps sneaking out of OB's pants distracting him.

But it takes an advanced student of human nature and human behavior to spot that.
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This is so funny!

And the levels of human behavior assessment going on in this statement is admirable.
 
Texian said:
There is symbolism and a message in the picture. The top of the food chain and the main primary decision makers are on the front row. That picture is your Houston Texans Chain of Command

O'Brien looking at Rick says, what are you going to do Rick? And Rick says, I'm going to do what the guys in red ties said to do.
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I think you're on the money, and that was confirmed in a press conference last year with O'Brien.

Straight from the head coach's mouth to the media was the power structure:

Bob McNair
Cal McNair
O'Brien = Rick Smith

How much input Cal has in personnel decisions is anyone's guess because of the historical secrecy on Kirby, but it's not any sort of conspiracy to understand that he's definitely no. 2 in the chain of command. It makes sense, though, because Bob is almost 80 years old and of course he's going to have his son in position to take over should anything happen to him. That is the general nature of family owned businesses.
 
Texian said:
There is symbolism and a message in the picture. The top of the food chain and the main primary decision makers are on the front row. That picture is your Houston Texans Chain of Command
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So I guess Mrs. McNair is in on the personnel decisions too since she's also in the front row.
:vincepalm:
 
ObsiWan said:
So I guess Mrs. McNair is in on the personnel decisions too since she's also in the front row.
:vincepalm:
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Texian said:
You're free to guess whatever you want whether it makes any sense or not.
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Look, while it makes all the sense in the world that R. McNair will turn over the reins of the Texans to Cal when he gets too old, that's why one builds family-run businesses. It's presumptuous (at a minimum) to think that because the McNairs are sitting in the front row, they are controlling the draft (i.e., making draft picks). They have a crap load of folks they pay good money to do that for them. To my eyes, it doesn't look like the McNairs are doing much more than watching events unfold.

But, as you said, you're free to guess whatever you want, whether it makes any sense or not.
 
Gotta give credit where it's due. GM Smith structured a cap friendly deal with Newton and negotiated a slightly cheaper than expected deal with Jackson. 2 guys that he drafted btw.
 
Ryan Fitzpatrick trade fits Texans QB trading tradition
More relevant for the Texans, though, is the fact that this trade will keep with what's become a tradition for the Texans -- getting something for an already-departing quarterback.

In the past 12 months, the Texans have traded away or for five different quarterbacks. They sent Matt Schaub to the Raiders on March 21 and T.J. Yates to Atlanta on June 19. They brought in Ryan Mallett from New England on Aug. 31 and traded Case Keenum to the Rams Tuesday. And don't forget, a trade is how Schaub came to the Texans in the first place.

More narrowly, they've managed to get something for all four of the quarterbacks they shuttled off...
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Gotta give him his props..... that Brian Gaine is a wheeler-dealer. :fingergun:
 
It's a Texans tradition that began during Charlie Casserlys time. He drafted Danny Wuerffel in the expansion draft and then turned around and traded him to Spurrier who was coaching the Redskins. What he got for him I cannot remember. It might have been the proverbial "ham sammich" we're always talking about getting for a worthless player.

Later he drafted Drew Henson with a 6th round pick and turned that into a 3rd round pick.

Casserly then started another Texans tradition by getting absolutely nothing from the pick he got for the worthless QB but that's another story....
 
this franchise is....

I don't know. I'm trying to find a word that describes how I feel about this team.

I'm trying to give bob regime a chance but I'm about done.

I'm Houston to the core but I'll back pocket these guys like the Astros and Dynamo and fair weather dat ass.

This franchise makes so many funky decisions. It's unreal. And it's on every damn level. Ownership, GM (although I'm not sure what his total role is), coaching...

I'm hoping OB makes a difference. If not we're looking at a franchise that just sucks. The end.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
this franchise is....

I don't know. I'm trying to find a word that describes how I feel about this team.

I'm trying to give bob regime a chance but I'm about done.

I'm Houston to the core but I'll back pocket these guys like the Astros and Dynamo and fair weather dat ass.

This franchise makes so many funky decisions. It's unreal. And it's on every damn level. Ownership, GM (although I'm not sure what his total role is), coaching...
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Hervoyel said:
It's a Texans tradition that began during Charlie Casserlys time. He drafted Danny Wuerffel in the expansion draft and then turned around and traded him to Spurrier who was coaching the Redskins. What he got for him I cannot remember. It might have been the proverbial "ham sammich" we're always talking about getting for a worthless player.
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DT Jerry DeLoach. Started for the Texans for 2 years and registered 73 tackles in those 2 years.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
this franchise is....

I don't know. I'm trying to find a word that describes how I feel about this team.

I'm trying to give bob regime a chance but I'm about done.

I'm Houston to the core but I'll back pocket these guys like the Astros and Dynamo and fair weather dat ass.

This franchise makes so many funky decisions. It's unreal. And it's on every damn level. Ownership, GM (although I'm not sure what his total role is), coaching...

I'm hoping OB makes a difference. If not we're looking at a franchise that just sucks. The end.
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It has become a definite pattern of behavior. After 13 years, McNair has .423 winning percentage and (3) #1 picks in the NFL Draft. There is nothing to indicate any change in behavior. If anything expect more of the same. After all the transactions in 2015, so far, cutting Andre Johnson and Chris Myers will be a BIG step back for the 2015 Houston Texans. Your recent observation is now seeing the reality of this ongoing saga. No reason not to expect 7-9 in 2015.
 
Texian said:
It has become a definite pattern of behavior. After 13 years, McNair has .423 winning percentage and (3) #1 picks in the NFL Draft. There is nothing to indicate any change in behavior. If anything expect more of the same. After all the transactions in 2015, so far, cutting Andre Johnson and Chris Myers will be a BIG step back for the 2015 Houston Texans. Your recent observation is now seeing the reality of this ongoing saga. No reason not to expect 7-9 in 2015.
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What was your prediction for 2014.

Sure I am pissed about cutting AJ and Myers, BUT we can upgrade the WR spot still in FA, and in the draft.

I right now am liking how this team is being managed.
 
EllisUnit said:
What was your prediction for 2014.

Sure I am pissed about cutting AJ and Myers, BUT we can upgrade the WR spot still in FA, and in the draft.

I right now am liking how this team is being managed.
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I believe it was 6-8 wins not knowing they would play the 2nd easiest schedule in the league.
 
Texian said:
It has become a definite pattern of behavior. After 13 years, McNair has .423 winning percentage and (3) #1 picks in the NFL Draft. There is nothing to indicate any change in behavior. If anything expect more of the same. After all the transactions in 2015, so far, cutting Andre Johnson and Chris Myers will be a BIG step back for the 2015 Houston Texans. Your recent observation is now seeing the reality of this ongoing saga. No reason not to expect 7-9 in 2015.
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Being a "fan" of a sports team is a funny thing when you consider the business / customer relationship.

It doesn't quite translate to the real world. These sports teams have tapped into something primal in the human spirit, something that causes tribalism and nationalism, to be connected to something bigger than self.

And they obviously make a nice profit from it.
 
Texian said:
I wasn't talking about the Ravens, I was talking about the Texans, stay pertinent to the conversation.
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Well i remember a few years back the Eagles signed all these high profile Free agents, and sucked. The Colts could suck this season, you never know

"Its best not to eat a fish until it's cooked"
 
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