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I'm curious how much nerves are taken into account here, in the drills especially. It's mildly incredible to watch on a national broadcast 20-year olds go through the biggest job audition of their lives.
Certainly it's not lost on any evaluator that these kids are completely amped up to put on a good show here. But is it more understood, as in accepted, that they'll be pressing and make some mistakes accordingly or is it considered an occupational obligation to be more apt to press through the nerves and perform?
I suppose of course different coaches & GMs will have different expectations, just haven't heard much talk about how that's factored into a final tally of performance.
Certainly it's not lost on any evaluator that these kids are completely amped up to put on a good show here. But is it more understood, as in accepted, that they'll be pressing and make some mistakes accordingly or is it considered an occupational obligation to be more apt to press through the nerves and perform?
I suppose of course different coaches & GMs will have different expectations, just haven't heard much talk about how that's factored into a final tally of performance.
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WR forty times @ combine:
Player School Height Weight 40 time
Nelson Agholor
USC 6'0 198 4.44
Mario Alford West Virginia 5'8 180 4.43
Dres Anderson Utah 6'1 187
Kenny Bell Nebraska 6'1 197 4.40
Da'Ron Brown Northern Illinois 6'0 205 4.54
Kaelin Clay Utah 5'10 195 4.51
Sammie Coates Auburn 6'1 212 4.43
Chris Conley Georgia 6'2 213 4.35
Amari Cooper Alabama 6'1 211 4.42
Jamison Crowder Duke 5'8 185 4.56
Davaris Daniels Notre Dame 6'1 201 4.62
Devante Davis UNLV 6'3 220 4.57
Geremy Davis
Connecticut 6'2 216
Titus Davis Central Michigan 6'1 196 4.51
Stefon Diggs Maryland 6'0 195 4.46
Phillip Dorsett Miami (Fla.) 5'10 185 4.33
Devin Funchess Michigan 6'4 232 4.70
Antwan Goodley Baylor 5'10 209 4.46
Dorial Green-Beckham Missouri 6'5 237 4.49
Rashad Greene Florida State 5'11 182 4.46
Rannell Hall Central Florida 6'0 198 4.60
Justin Hardy East Carolina 5'10 192 4.56
Josh Harper Fresno State 6'1 191 4.64
Chris Jones Alabama 5'10 182 4.63
Dezmin Lewis Central Arkansas 6'4 214 4.58
Tony Lippett Michigan State 6'2 192 4.62
Tyler Lockett Kansas State 5'10 182 4.40
Deon Long Maryland 6'0 192 4.51
Tello Luckett Harding 6'0 211 4.65
Vince Mayle Washington State 6'2 224 4.67
Tre McBride William & Mary 6'0 210 4.41
Ty Montgomery Stanford 6'0 221 4.55
Keith Mumphery Michigan State 6'0 215 4.54
J.J Nelson Alabama-Birmingham 5'10 156 4.29
DeVante Parker Louisville 6'3 209 4.45
Breshad Perriman Central Florida 6'2 212
Devin Smith Ohio State 6'0 196 4.42
Jaelen Strong Arizona State 6'2 217 4.44
Darren Waller Georgia Tech 6'6 238 4.46
DeAndrew White Alabama 5'11 193 4.44
Kevin White West Virginia 6'3 215 4.35
Player School Height Weight 40 time
Nelson Agholor
USC 6'0 198 4.44
Mario Alford West Virginia 5'8 180 4.43
Dres Anderson Utah 6'1 187
Kenny Bell Nebraska 6'1 197 4.40
Da'Ron Brown Northern Illinois 6'0 205 4.54
Kaelin Clay Utah 5'10 195 4.51
Sammie Coates Auburn 6'1 212 4.43
Chris Conley Georgia 6'2 213 4.35
Amari Cooper Alabama 6'1 211 4.42
Jamison Crowder Duke 5'8 185 4.56
Davaris Daniels Notre Dame 6'1 201 4.62
Devante Davis UNLV 6'3 220 4.57
Geremy Davis
Connecticut 6'2 216
Titus Davis Central Michigan 6'1 196 4.51
Stefon Diggs Maryland 6'0 195 4.46
Phillip Dorsett Miami (Fla.) 5'10 185 4.33
Devin Funchess Michigan 6'4 232 4.70
Antwan Goodley Baylor 5'10 209 4.46
Dorial Green-Beckham Missouri 6'5 237 4.49
Rashad Greene Florida State 5'11 182 4.46
Rannell Hall Central Florida 6'0 198 4.60
Justin Hardy East Carolina 5'10 192 4.56
Josh Harper Fresno State 6'1 191 4.64
Chris Jones Alabama 5'10 182 4.63
Dezmin Lewis Central Arkansas 6'4 214 4.58
Tony Lippett Michigan State 6'2 192 4.62
Tyler Lockett Kansas State 5'10 182 4.40
Deon Long Maryland 6'0 192 4.51
Tello Luckett Harding 6'0 211 4.65
Vince Mayle Washington State 6'2 224 4.67
Tre McBride William & Mary 6'0 210 4.41
Ty Montgomery Stanford 6'0 221 4.55
Keith Mumphery Michigan State 6'0 215 4.54
J.J Nelson Alabama-Birmingham 5'10 156 4.29
DeVante Parker Louisville 6'3 209 4.45
Breshad Perriman Central Florida 6'2 212
Devin Smith Ohio State 6'0 196 4.42
Jaelen Strong Arizona State 6'2 217 4.44
Darren Waller Georgia Tech 6'6 238 4.46
DeAndrew White Alabama 5'11 193 4.44
Kevin White West Virginia 6'3 215 4.35
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I'd guess not at all. Compared to football games, with up to 100,000 in the stands... this is just pitch & catch. Player can talk about it in interviews if they think the pressure hurt them.
RBs up next. Will be interesting.
I'd imagine for these kids there right now, who've played in front of huge crowds for years, that the 100 or so in the stands today watching pitch & catch weigh relatively more than past fans at games ever have.
No doubt you're right though about it being something that can come up later in conversation. I just find the pressure aspect of each guys unique situation very interesting and wish I could hear the decision makers give more of their takes on it.
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The biggest impact on the players is the cumulative loss of sleep over their time there. I think max is ~4 hours/night. And sleep deprivation can be a very high stressor on the less sound of mind.
Last year pretty sure a prospect just disappeared from the Combine for weeks.
infantrycak
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I'd imagine it varies. Maybe for most it is nothing, but for some it may occur to them that this ball coming at them is a potential million dollar drop.
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The only thing I think I can equate it to in my life experience is playing guitar.
I'm fine, no nerves, playing a gig in front of thousands of people. That's just a faceless crowd, some people to have fun with, no biggie. I've been fine playing in front of small groups of people.
The worst gig, in terms of turn-out, was when I took a short notice gig at a local club and played for 4 people. When I introduced the band, I had the audience stand up and introduce themselves to us. It was a fun gig, more like a rehearsal, really.
But I played a gig once where I knew some well-respected guitar players were in the audience and I re-discovered stage-fright. It had been years since I'd worried about getting up and playing in front of ANYONE but getting in front of those guys (Steve Morse, Steve Bailey, Ron Eschete) scared the living snot out of me.
I assume it's the same for these kids. They know they're in front of the guys who really count.
OTOH, you want guys who step up under pressure and that's what this is.
Very good comparison. That must have been terrifying. Hope you played more like Chris Johnson and less like Maurice Clarett.
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Adam Muema RB San Diego St. pretty good stats http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/stats/_/id/502951/adam-muema
much more here if interested
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/sto...e-star-adam-muema-ditches-pro-day-nfl-combine
Wonder what made his "switch" trip over to whatever setting it's on now?
Shelton at 5.64
I think 1.88
Didn't the Ravens trade up to get Ngata?
infantrycak
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Good enough for a huge man.
If you like Shelton, then you should also want the Texans to draft Malcolm Brown. They are comparable talents. In fact I think Brown is smother in his movements. Jordan Phillips is another guy with the talent to be as good as Shelton. His injury history would make him not 1st rd worthy if I were drafting.
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Stephone Anthony 4.57, 10 yd of 1.57 <-- love this guy
Paul Dawson 1st forty: 4.95, 10 yd of 1.69 <-- huh? Did you prep?
Alvin "Bud" Dupree 1st forty: 4.57, 10 yd of 1.60
Eric Kendricks 4.66, 1.64
Benardrick McKinney 1st forty: 4.78, 10 yd of 1.74
Denzel Perryman: 40 yd - 4.81, 10 yd - 1.69
Shaq Thompson: 40 yd - 4.72, 10 yd - 1.78 <-- a bit disappointing
Max Valles 1st forty: 4.99, 10 yd of 1.77
Stephone Anthony 4.57, 10 yd of 1.57 <-- love this guy
Paul Dawson 1st forty: 4.95, 10 yd of 1.69 <-- huh? Did you prep?
Alvin "Bud" Dupree 1st forty: 4.57, 10 yd of 1.60
Eric Kendricks 4.66, 1.64
Benardrick McKinney 1st forty: 4.78, 10 yd of 1.74
Denzel Perryman: 40 yd - 4.81, 10 yd - 1.69
Shaq Thompson: 40 yd - 4.72, 10 yd - 1.78 <-- a bit disappointing
Max Valles 1st forty: 4.99, 10 yd of 1.77
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Dawson slowed right before the end like he had felt a twinge. Not a good run for him
I would love either Shelton or Brown in the first. Lots of guys to love in the first this year
Give me Perryman, Anthony or Kendricks in this draft and I'm a happy camper.
Yeah I was impressed with the clips they showed of Shelton. I'd love to add him to our DL. Most mocks I peeped at have him going to the Bears (#7) but a couple have him dropping to between 12 (drafttek) and 17 (Bleacher Rpt). I'm not sure I'd spend the picks to move up to 7 but moving up to 12 is doable.
I like Shelton a lot too, and if he was the one missing piece I'd say do whatever it takes to move to #6 or 7. But I think either Brown or Goldman will be there at 16 and it's not worth moving up
It would really only cost our 3rd, right? We'd be swapping firsts.
Of course but a third is pretty valuable to a team with this little depth. I'm not sure Shelton is actually that much better than Brown.
We'd do better picking off other team's practice squads the way things have been going lately.
I think it would cost us at least a 3rd and 4th, not counting swapping firsts. Or a second next year and a 4th or better this year. It's not worth it imo
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Shelton's very intriguing, indeed. His lower body strength is ridiculous. He seems to be relentless when rested. I've been watching a bit more on him this morning. The only thing I found that he'll need to work on is his rushing. He basically has a bull rush and that's it. But, realistically, how much will he be rushing the QB in the NFL.
In the end, I would not be disappointed if we took him at 16. That said, the problem with taking a NT in the 1st round is the return on investment. The NT will come off the field on 3rd downs a majority of the time. Is drafting a 2 down player in the 1st worth it? Or will his pass rushing improve enough to keep him on the field?
Dunno, but I wouldn't mind finding out
In the end, I would not be disappointed if we took him at 16. That said, the problem with taking a NT in the 1st round is the return on investment. The NT will come off the field on 3rd downs a majority of the time. Is drafting a 2 down player in the 1st worth it? Or will his pass rushing improve enough to keep him on the field?
Dunno, but I wouldn't mind finding out
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I'm sure (about Shelton) if your targeting nose tackle. I think Brown will be a very good five tech 3-4 end.
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Byron Jones obliterates the Combine broad jump record
Watch the guy's reaction in the middle of the frame.
Vertical: https://vine.co/v/OQIhr1QhXTX
Watch the guy's reaction in the middle of the frame.
Vertical: https://vine.co/v/OQIhr1QhXTX
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I'm starting to question my eyes when it comes to Dawson/Hackett. They both appeared to be athletic playmakers with a nose for the ball. What do y'all think of their draft status after the combine?
BTW, I'm not usually a the type that will move a guy more than a rd based on combine performances. I had Dawson in the 2nd and Hackett in the 4th.
Guys like Jones I liked in the 4-5th rd range and would keep him there due to injury concerns. I really don't know much about Conley and watched quite a bit of Georgia games so his combine results were a shocker. Where do you think he goes and what are the consensus opinions on him?
BTW, I'm not usually a the type that will move a guy more than a rd based on combine performances. I had Dawson in the 2nd and Hackett in the 4th.
Guys like Jones I liked in the 4-5th rd range and would keep him there due to injury concerns. I really don't know much about Conley and watched quite a bit of Georgia games so his combine results were a shocker. Where do you think he goes and what are the consensus opinions on him?
Never saw what others saw in Dawson. He does play faster than his forty time. I'm not worried about his speed. I don't think he's physical enough when taking on blocks. Not as bad as Beasley but still not what I want in an OLB.
Looks like he just made himself some money, and moved up and out of our range at #16.
Yep,
I didn't like what I saw of Waynes against Baylor. Maybe he just had a bad game. The talent appears to be there. Probably ran himself into the top 10.
I am sure disappointed in the times PJ Williams put up. He certainly plays much faster than he timed.
I read somewhere that his best fit will be as a 3-4 ILB
bah007
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The broad jump is the truest test of explosive power. You can't simulate it with any other movement. Well, unless you are going to have these guys do a one rep max in the power clean, which will never happen in this environment.
Anybody who uncorks a ridiculous broad jump is going to be the subject of much study. Byron Jones, Chris Conley, and Alvin Dupree shattered the field in that test.
I have already solidified my opinion on Dupree. I already liked Jones but there isn't much tape of him out there. He and Conley are guys I will be digging into.
Anybody who uncorks a ridiculous broad jump is going to be the subject of much study. Byron Jones, Chris Conley, and Alvin Dupree shattered the field in that test.
I have already solidified my opinion on Dupree. I already liked Jones but there isn't much tape of him out there. He and Conley are guys I will be digging into.
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2015 Scouting Combine Results Tracker; http://draftbreakdown.com/2015-scouting-combine-results-tracker/
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Weight-Adjusted 40 Yard Dash Times At 2015 Combine
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Rk First Last P College Weight Exp 40 Act 40 Diff
1 Bud Dupree OLB Kentucky 269 4.92 4.56 0.36
2 Owamagbe OdighizuwaDE UCLA 267 4.91 4.62 0.29
3 Darren Waller WR Georgia Tech 238 4.75 4.46 0.29
4 Dante FowlerJr. OLB Florida 261 4.88 4.6 0.28
5 Kevin White WR West Virginia 215 4.62 4.35 0.27
6 Vic Beasley OLB Clemson 246 4.8 4.53 0.27
7 Chris Conley WR Georgia 213 4.61 4.35 0.26
8 Danielle Hunter DE LSU 252 4.83 4.57 0.26
9 Dorial Green-BeckhamWR Missouri 237 4.75 4.49 0.26
10 MyCole Pruitt TE So Illinois 251 4.82 4.58 0.24infantrycak
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Best fit formula to what data? Looks like a totally made up stat. If you're prediction is for 215 lb NFL WR prospects to be running 4.6+ then it's time to revisit the formula. Also a weight to height ratio looks more predictive.
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Historical data. They use historical numbers to find norms so they can identify outliers. It's analytics... some find useful, other think it's gobbledygook.
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infantrycak
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I understand it's historical (that's kind of definitional with data). The point was historical from what group. I don't believe the average 215 lb WR taken in the NFL draft has run a 4.62 anytime recently.
And I'm not claiming all analytics are gobbledygook. Just this specific metric. It's pretty obvious 5'10" and 6' 4" 250 lbers are entirely different critters. If you're going to do it, make a better stab at it.
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