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thunderkyss

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At 16, what are we possibly looking at in this draft, by position?

#1 Running back, I'm sure. No one in their right mind will be drafting a QB this early.

#2 TE... maybe first TE

#2 OG?

#3 CB?

#3 QB... maybe #4?

What do you think?
 
Suppose the OurLads guys are right and by some madness Mariota slips all the way to 20

20
Philadelphia
Marcus Mariota* QB Oregon
6040 215 4.65
We are unclear how Mariota makes it to the City of Brotherly Love, but the high tech quarterback exchanges one green uniform for another and rejoins his old coach, Chip Kelly.
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How pissed would you be if we, too, passed on him?
Or do you think we're set with Mallett?
 
thunderkyss said:
At 16, what are we possibly looking at in this draft, by position?

#1 Running back, I'm sure. No one in their right mind will be drafting a QB this early.

#2 TE... maybe first TE

#2 OG?

#3 CB?

#3 QB... maybe #4?

What do you think?
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Quarterbacks
1. Jameis Winston, Florida State
2. Marcus Mariota, Oregon
3. Brett Hundley, UCLA

Running Backs
1. Todd Gurley, Georgia

Wide receiver
1. Amari Cooper, Alabama
2. Kevin White, West Virginia
3. DeVante Parker, Louisville
4. Jaelen Strong, Arizona State
5. Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma

Tight ends
1. Maxx Williams, Minnesota


Offensive tackles
1. La'el Collins, LSU
2. T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh
3. Flowers, Miami
4. Andrus Peat, Stanford

Guards/centers
1. Brandon Scherff, Iowa
2. Cameron Erving, Florida State


Defensive ends
1. Leonard Williams, USC
2. Arik Armstead

Nose tackles
1. Danny Shelton, Washington
2. Malcom Brown, Texas
3. Eddie Goldman, Florida State
4. Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma
5.

Inside Linebackers
1. Denzel Perryman, Miami (Fla.)

Outside linebackers
1. Randy Gregory, Nebraska
2. Dante Fowler, Florida
3. Vic Beasley
4. Danielle Hunter
5. Alvin Dupree
6. Owamagbe Odighizuwa
7. Nate Orchard, Utah

Cornerbacks
1. Marcus Peters, Washington
2. P.J. Williams, Florida State
3. Trae Waynes, Michigan State

I could see us take any of these guys if available at 16.
 
ObsiWan said:
Suppose the OurLads guys are right and by some madness Mariota slips all the way to 20



How pissed would you be if we, too, passed on him?
Or do you think we're set with Mallett?
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I'd be perfectly content passing on Mariota in favor of keeping Mallett.

He's got world's more experience in not only a pro-style offense, but an OB style offense. And lest people forget he was a first round grade himself by many, then the character bug bit him. Which now is pretty clearly a non issue anymore. Mariota would go straight from the draft to the classroom, for who knows how long and for how well he'll even adapt nobody really knows. And then there's the whole still having a first round talent to add to the roster on top of our bird in the hand.
 
ObsiWan said:
Suppose the OurLads guys are right and by some madness Mariota slips all the way to 20



How pissed would you be if we, too, passed on him?
Or do you think we're set with Mallett?
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Who would be mad if we passed on a kid that's NOT pro ready?!?! But , if Mariota falls to us, I say get Philly on the horn.
 
mussop said:
Quarterbacks
1. Jameis Winston, Florida State
2. Marcus Mariota, Oregon
3. Brett Hundley, UCLA

Running Backs
1. Todd Gurley, Georgia

Wide receiver
1. Amari Cooper, Alabama
2. Kevin White, West Virginia
3. DeVante Parker, Louisville
4. Jaelen Strong, Arizona State
5. Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma

Tight ends
1. Maxx Williams, Minnesota


Offensive tackles
1. La'el Collins, LSU
2. T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh
3. Flowers, Miami
4. Andrus Peat, Stanford

Guards/centers
1. Brandon Scherff, Iowa
2. Cameron Erving, Florida State


Defensive ends
1. Leonard Williams, USC
2. Arik Armstead

Nose tackles
1. Danny Shelton, Washington
2. Malcom Brown, Texas
3. Eddie Goldman, Florida State
4. Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma
5.

Inside Linebackers
1. Denzel Perryman, Miami (Fla.)

Outside linebackers
1. Randy Gregory, Nebraska
2. Dante Fowler, Florida
3. Vic Beasley
4. Danielle Hunter
5. Alvin Dupree
6. Owamagbe Odighizuwa
7. Nate Orchard, Utah

Cornerbacks
1. Marcus Peters, Washington
2. P.J. Williams, Florida State
3. Trae Waynes, Michigan State

I could see us take any of these guys if available at 16.
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Unless Shelton or Kevin White fall to 16, I'm going to go with the few people that think we should trade down
 
Actually, I don't know about you guys, but I like Jaelen Strong at 16 quite a bit. I would give him serious thought. Everyone was concerned about his speed coming in but dude ran a 4.44 and had one of the highest verticals for WRs.
 
The best bang for the buck will be here because a talented player will be pushed down due to depth of position . List are the names of the players I think may be there at #16

Wide receiver

3. DeVante Parker, Louisville
4. Jaelen Strong, Arizona State
5. Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma

Outside linebackers

3. Vic Beasley
4. I don't think Hunter is worth #16 . Dude had 4.5 career sacks
5. Alvin Dupree
6. Owamagbe Odighizuwa

Nose tackles

2. Malcom Brown, Texas
3. Eddie Goldman, Florida State
4. Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma
 
mussop said:
Quarterbacks
1. Jameis Winston, Florida State
2. Marcus Mariota, Oregon
3. Brett Hundley, UCLA

Running Backs
1. Todd Gurley, Georgia

Wide receiver
1. Amari Cooper, Alabama
2. Kevin White, West Virginia
3. DeVante Parker, Louisville
4. Jaelen Strong, Arizona State
5. Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma

According to Walter football.
Sources say the Texans and Eagles have already ruled Green-Beckham out. One general manager estimated they would have Beckham in the third- to fifth-round range because of the off-the-field concerns.

Tight ends
1. Maxx Williams, Minnesota


Offensive tackles
1. La'el Collins, LSU
2. T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh
3. Flowers, Miami
4. Andrus Peat, Stanford

Guards/centers
1. Brandon Scherff, Iowa
2. Cameron Erving, Florida State


Defensive ends
1. Leonard Williams, USC
2. Arik Armstead

Nose tackles
1. Danny Shelton, Washington
2. Malcom Brown, Texas
3. Eddie Goldman, Florida State
4. Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma
5.

Inside Linebackers
1. Denzel Perryman, Miami (Fla.)

Outside linebackers
1. Randy Gregory, Nebraska
2. Dante Fowler, Florida
3. Vic Beasley
4. Danielle Hunter
5. Alvin Dupree
6. Owamagbe Odighizuwa
7. Nate Orchard, Utah

Cornerbacks
1. Marcus Peters, Washington
2. P.J. Williams, Florida State
3. Trae Waynes, Michigan State

I could see us take any of these guys if available at 16.
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These aren't the guys I would pick. They are guys I could see us taking.
I wouldn't take Gurly because of the injury. I wouldn't take Peat becaise he's to inconsistent. I wouldn't take Beasley because he plays soft.
 
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PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
Unless Shelton or Kevin White fall to 16, I'm going to go with the few people that think we should trade down
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I agree. The talent after the top five or so is so close it would be the best thing to do. I would try and trade all the way down to the end of round one or the beginning of round two. Preferably two moves and we still get one of the players on that list. That would be really nice.
 
thunderkyss said:
At 16, what are we possibly looking at in this draft, by position?

#1 Running back, I'm sure. No one in their right mind will be drafting a QB this early.

#2 TE... maybe first TE

#2 OG?

#3 CB?

#3 QB... maybe #4?

What do you think?
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If there is either a good prospect at CD or WR I'd be very happy with that. JJo may not be back and even if he is age is creeping up fast. And Andre is my all time favorite Texan but he's in his twilight so it would be smart to get someone that we can develop to team up with Hopkins. If Mariotta is there - like PhillyTexan said, call Philly but listen to all offers. It would not kill me if he passed on Mariotta.
 
No poll? What kind of question is this?!?

If Mariotta is there, draft him and let him ride the bench and learn the system. As much as I think Mallet is our QB, we can't have too many good QBs. Besides that, I think we'll have a few good guys to choose from.
 
PapaL said:
No poll? What kind of question is this?!?

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I was hoping the answers would come in like, "We could get the 4th best CB, the best OG, or the 4th best edge rusher."

or something along those lines as opposed to the 6th best WR.
 
thunderkyss said:
I was hoping the answers would come in like, "We could get the 4th best CB, the best OG, or the 4th best edge rusher."

or something along those lines as opposed to the 6th best WR.
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In order of who I like, thinking the 3 WR's are gone. I also think Beasley/Fowler/Ray will be gone, Shelton too.

1.Dupree
2. Malcolm Brown
3. PJ Williams
4. Jalen Collins
5. Waynes
6. Jordan Phillips
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
The best bang for the buck will be here because a talented player will be pushed down due to depth of position . List are the names of the players I think may be there at #16

Wide receiver

3. DeVante Parker, Louisville
4. Jaelen Strong, Arizona State
5. Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma

Outside linebackers

3. Vic Beasley
4. I don't think Hunter is worth #16 . Dude had 4.5 career sacks
5. Alvin Dupree
6. Owamagbe Odighizuwa

Nose tackles

2. Malcom Brown, Texas
3. Eddie Goldman, Florida State
4. Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma
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So the positions you're targeting are WR, OLB, and NT, right. And I think that's what the OP was asking: Which position(s) should we be targeting with the #16 pick?
TK, correct me if that interpretation is wrong.

Next question, of those three positions, which is the most important to be filled at #16. I would think NT since this draft is relatively deep at WR.

I also see either you don't like Danny Shelton or you left him off because you figure he'll be long gone. If it's the latter, I'd keep him on our "board" because there's a miniscule chance he may still be there. I mean, you can always strike him off when/if he goes ahead of us.
 
What happens in free agency?

Do we lose KJ?

Do we lose Derek Newton?

Do we lose Brooks Reed?

Do we lose Keenan Lewis?

Do we sigh Mallett?

CB, RT, OLB, S, QB could all become immediate needs.

Do we sign any free agents?

My draft crystal ball
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is murky until most of these ??? are answered.
 
ObsiWan said:
So the positions you're targeting are WR, OLB, and NT, right. And I think that's what the OP was asking: Which position(s) should we be targeting with the #16 pick?
TK, correct me if that interpretation is wrong.
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Close. I'm trying to frame the question in the general sense, of do we want to take the best safety off the board at 16 or the sixth best OLB (I'm just throwing those positions out there).

Or if someone would like to argue that the fifth best WR is a better selection than the best TE
 
steelbtexan said:
In order of who I like, thinking the 3 WR's are gone. I also think Beasley/Fowler/Ray will be gone, Shelton too.

1.Dupree
2. Malcolm Brown
3. PJ Williams
4. Jalen Collins
5. Waynes
6. Jordan Phillips
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Wouldn't feel bad about any of these guys at 16.
 
thunderkyss said:
Close. I'm trying to frame the question in the general sense, of do we want to take the best safety off the board at 16 or the sixth best OLB (I'm just throwing those positions out there).

Or if someone would like to argue that the fifth best WR is a better selection than the best TE
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Those types of questions speak to draft strategy. IHMO, draft strategy comes in two main flavors:
(1) BPA no matter position (so what if we have AJ and D-Hop already, if A. Coop is there you take him)
or
(2) Prioritize team needs, by position, from most dire to we're good here. Then build your draft board that way; i.e., we gotta have a NT (as an example) above all. So even if A. Cooper grades higher, overall, than Phillips or Brown, you still take Phillips or Brown.

Which strategy do folks subscribe to? I'm a BPA guy myself. If there's a stud available at WR, even though that ranks 3rd or 4th as a team need, you still take him thereby making our strength even stronger.

thoughts?
 
True BPA should take need into account. Some people confuse BPA as purely taking the most talented player available.

I don't see it that way. But I also wouldn't just take a less talented guy only because I needed a body at that position (which is what so frequently happens with QBs).

BPA should mean taking whichever player is going to create the biggest positive impact for your franchise. To gauge the value of that you do need to take need into account, but it shouldn't be the deciding factor.
 
bah007 said:
True BPA should take need into account. Some people confuse BPA as purely taking the most talented player available.

I don't see it that way. But I also wouldn't just take a less talented guy only because I needed a body at that position (which is what so frequently happens with QBs).

BPA should mean taking whichever player is going to create the biggest positive impact for your franchise. To gauge the value of that you do need to take need into account, but it shouldn't be the deciding factor.
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To my thinking, that's a third catagory - greatest immediate impact (and I should have included it, my bad). And I agree, that's really the way to go.
 
ObsiWan said:
Which strategy do folks subscribe to? I'm a BPA guy myself. If there's a stud available at WR, even though that ranks 3rd or 4th as a team need, you still take him thereby making our strength even stronger.

thoughts?
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I think you always look at the value positions first. QB, LT, pass rusher, #1 CB. If you don't have one (or if you have one on an expiring contract), and there's one available, you take them. These are the positions that are the most difficult to fill. After that, you look for the player that can most impact your team. The best safety could be on the board. But, the #4 WR in the draft could have the most impact on your team.

No team goes into a draft with a board stacked 1-300 and just takes the top ranked player available. If so, a computer program could run the draft and everyone could stay home in bed and watch it on TV. It's an organic process where talent/need/scarcity/intuition are all intertwined. If it were easy, a caveman could do it. Or Mel Kiper, even.
 
Playoffs said:
What happens in free agency?

Do we lose KJ?

Do we lose Derek Newton?

Do we lose Brooks Reed?

Do we lose Keenan Lewis?

Do we sigh Mallett?

CB, RT, OLB, S, QB could all become immediate needs.

Do we sign any free agents?

My draft crystal ball
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is murky until most of these ??? are answered.
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I think it's unlikely we keep both Newt
and Kareem, matter of fact I'm gonna be real surprised if keep Kareem so I'm hopin we can just retain Newt and then also get Mallet signed.
I would love to use that first round pick on the BPA, but we probably won't have that luxury.
 
ObsiWan said:
Those types of questions speak to draft strategy. IHMO, draft strategy comes in two main flavors:
(1) BPA no matter position (so what if we have AJ and D-Hop already, if A. Coop is there you take him)
or
(2) Prioritize team needs, by position, from most dire to we're good here. Then build your draft board that way; i.e., we gotta have a NT (as an example) above all. So even if A. Cooper grades higher, overall, than Phillips or Brown, you still take Phillips or Brown.

Which strategy do folks subscribe to? I'm a BPA guy myself. If there's a stud available at WR, even though that ranks 3rd or 4th as a team need, you still take him thereby making our strength even stronger.

thoughts?
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BPA

if 2 players are close you go with need.
 
Mollywhopper said:
So you're up and the clear and obvious next best player on your board is a player at a position you're loaded at, you take him anyway?
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Unless a player at a position of need graded close is available. ie... if best player is a 95 and player at need position is 94, you go with need. If need position top guy is 85, go with bpa

I think is what he is saying
 
JB said:
Unless a player at a position of need graded close is available. ie... if best player is a 95 and player at need position is 94, you go with need. If need position top guy is 85, go with bpa

I think is what he is saying
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So not the best player available then or add player who doesn't see much of the field.
 
Mollywhopper said:
So not the best player available then or add player who doesn't see much of the field.
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Don't know what you mean there....

The draft is not black and white fixed resolution tv.

It's and ebb and flow river that's constantly changing.

If you really need a tackle, and project only 5 in the first ,and then 6 go before your pick, your window might open because the value is changing on you. Like the market, supply and demand creates value
 
thunderkyss said:
At 16, what are we possibly looking at in this draft, by position?

#1 Running back, I'm sure. No one in their right mind will be drafting a QB this early.

#2 TE... maybe first TE

#2 OG?

#3 CB?

#3 QB... maybe #4?

What do you think?
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I think the only two QBs worth drafting there are gone, so it doesn't make sense to draft a QB anyway. TE is a second round choice at best.

OG may be addressed with someone listed as OT, but not someone listed as OG in the first.

CB would be a stretch, but it could happen.

The most likely player by position at 16 is WR with either Kevin White or DeVante Parker likely being available there. Each may fall to 16 because of the number of WRs available.

OLB or OT are also possibilities, particularly if T J Clemmings is still there'

I assume the folowing:

QBs Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota are gone.
DT/DEs Leonard Williams and Arik Armstead are gone.
DE/OLBs Randy Gregory, Shane Ray and Dante Fowler are gone.
NT Danny Shelton is gone.
WR Amari Cooper is gone.
OT/OG Brandon Scherff, Andrus Peat and La'el Collins are gone.

If any of the above dozen players fall, they go to number one on our list.

One of these five players are left and maybe more than that:

Kevin White WR
Devante Parker WR
Landon Collins SS
T J Clemmings OT
Vic Beasly OT

Also possible:

Alvin Dupree DE
Malcom Brown DT
Ereck Flowers OT
Shaq Thompson OLB/ILB/SS/RB/Emergency QB - A Renaisance man on the field.

It is certainly an intriguing choice, but I don't think you pass on the above and he won't be there in round 2.

Jordan Phillips NT - We might stretch things to plug up the middle with a quality NT.
 
Marshall said:
I think the only two QBs worth drafting there are gone, so it doesn't make sense to draft a QB anyway. TE is a second round choice at best.

OG may be addressed with someone listed as OT, but not someone listed as OG in the first.

CB would be a stretch, but it could happen.

The most likely player by position at 16 is WR with either Kevin White or DeVante Parker likely being available there. Each may fall to 16 because of the number of WRs available.

OLB or OT are also possibilities, particularly if T J Clemmings is still there'

I assume the folowing:

QBs Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota are gone.
DT/DEs Leonard Williams and Arik Armstead are gone.
DE/OLBs Randy Gregory, Shane Ray and Dante Fowler are gone.
NT Danny Shelton is gone.
WR Amari Cooper is gone.
OT/OG Brandon Scherff, Andrus Peat and La'el Collins are gone.

If any of the above dozen players fall, they go to number one on our list.

One of these five players are left and maybe more than that:

Kevin White WR
Devante Parker WR
Landon Collins SS
T J Clemmings OT
Vic Beasly OT

Also possible:

Alvin Dupree DE
Malcom Brown DT
Ereck Flowers OT
Shaq Thompson OLB/ILB/SS/RB/QB Renaisance man on the field.
It is certainly an intriguing choice, but I don't think you pass on the above and he won't be there in round 2.

We might stretch things with Jordan Phillips NT to plug up the middle.
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I agree with your premise overall, but your forgetting quite a few who may go before us or be available...

NT Goldman?
DB Waynes or Collins?
RB"s Gordon and Gurley?
 
JB said:
Don't know what you mean there....

The draft is not black and white fixed resolution tv.

It's and ebb and flow river that's constantly changing.

If you really need a tackle, and project only 5 in the first ,and then 6 go before your pick, your window might open because the value is changing on you. Like the market, supply and demand creates value
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Just that if you're taking a particular kid because he's next best on your board to a loaded position he may not see the field any time soon. That's too rigid I believe. The other hand of course is that it would be foolish to reach at a position of need just to fill a hole. To which I agree.

I just can't stand the term BPA. It muddies up too much conversation every year at this time.

And thank you, I had been confusing the draft for an antique tv all this time when it was really a river. :kitten:
 
Mollywhopper said:
So you're up and the clear and obvious next best player on your board is a player at a position you're loaded at, you take him anyway?
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There is a talent gradient and groups which fall in each. If four or five players are closely grouped, then you take the player at the position most needed, but you don't take the position player from a lower group. At the top of the draft, you are most likely to find BPA works as the groupings are smaller. But the groups become bigger as you go through the draft. But you must also take into account that some positions are weak and you HAVE to reach to get an even halfway decent one this year. FS and QB comes to mind.
 
JB said:
I agree with your premise overall, but your forgetting quite a few who may go before us or be available...

NT Goldman?
DB Waynes or Collins?
RB"s Gordon and Gurley?
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I agree with Goldman, Waynes and Collins.

Gordon and Gurley are second round choices with a large group of RBs without injury concerns should be available. I'd actually prefer Ameer Abdullah or Tevin Coleman at RB and one or both should be there at 2. Gurley might even still be there and that might be worth consideration to lighten the load of Foster and provide a real 1-2 punch when Gurley eventually returns to form. I'd take more risk with the injury in the second.

There is often a lot made of the best player among a group when the entire group is close. The real key is knowing where the gaps are and beating the falloff in talent.
 
Marshall said:
I agree with Goldman, Waynes and Collins.

Gordon and Gurley are second round choices with a large group of RBs without injury concerns should be available. I'd actually prefer Ameer Abdullah or Tevin Coleman at RB and one or both should be there at 2. Gurley might even still be there and that might be worth consideration to lighten the load of Foster and provide a real 1-2 punch when Gurley eventually returns to form. I'd take more risk with the injury in the second.

There is often a lot made of the best player among a group when the entire group is close. The real key is knowing where the gaps are and beating the falloff in talent.
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ok, we each have our own opinions. I think Gordon will be the top RB out of this class by a wide margin. Enough of a margin to warrant him being the pick at 16. not whom I'd prefer, but a good pick none the less
 
JB said:
ok, we each have our own opinions. I think Gordon will be the top RB out of this class by a wide margin. Enough of a margin to warrant him being the pick at 16. not whom I'd prefer, but a good pick none the less
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Nothing wrong with planning ahead a little. It doesn't make much sense cap wise to dump Foster this year plus if we run Mallett he's inexperienced and having a RB who's knows the system and good at blocking will be a big plus. But one year of overlap so we're not running out a rookie next year would be a benefit too. And after this year Foster will be in the last year of his deal, looking for his last deal and $7 mil in savings to cut.

Another one even if we re-sign KJ is CB. Best not to start a rookie. The number 3 will still play 60%+ of the snaps. If JJo isn't extended then this is the last year of his contract.
 
infantrycak said:
Nothing wrong with planning ahead a little. It doesn't make much sense cap wise to dump Foster this year plus if we run Mallett he's inexperienced and having a RB who's knows the system and good at blocking will be a big plus. But one year of overlap so we're not running out a rookie next year would be a benefit too. And after this year Foster will be in the last year of his deal, looking for his last deal and $7 mil in savings to cut.

Another one even if we re-sign KJ is CB. Best not to start a rookie. The number 3 will still play 60%+ of the snaps. If JJo isn't extended then this is the last year of his contract.
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yep, either direction, or a wr would be of immediate impact plus long term growth. Much to early to lock in on, or exclude, any train of thought
 
JB said:
Unless a player at a position of need graded close is available. ie... if best player is a 95 and player at need position is 94, you go with need. If need position top guy is 85, go with bpa

I think is what he is saying
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^^^^
This
 
infantrycak said:
Nothing wrong with planning ahead a little. It doesn't make much sense cap wise to dump Foster this year plus if we run Mallett he's inexperienced and having a RB who's knows the system and good at blocking will be a big plus. But one year of overlap so we're not running out a rookie next year would be a benefit too. And after this year Foster will be in the last year of his deal, looking for his last deal and $7 mil in savings to cut.

Another one even if we re-sign KJ is CB. Best not to start a rookie. The number 3 will still play 60%+ of the snaps. If JJo isn't extended then this is the last year of his contract.
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Agreed

Good thing/Bad thing is that you can do this at WR/CB/RB. Bad thing is they also have huge needs at edge rusher/NT and to a lesser extent S. Smith really cant go wrong, can he? Hopefully Gaine is running the warroom. I really don't care which direction he goes. But one thing is for sure, this team badly needs to add speed/playmakers.

The reason I advocate David Johnson in the 2nd rd is because he's very versatile. He could play the Shane Vereen role of RB/slot being a former WR. Good thing is he also is a lot bigger than Vereen at 224 Lbs. Or of course they could sign Vereen in FA and fill another hole. Which is probably what I would do, depending on the $$$$.
 
steelbtexan said:
Good thing/Bad thing is that you can do this at WR/CB/RB. Bad thing is they also have huge needs at edge rusher/NT and to a lesser extent S. Smith really cant go wrong, can he? Hopefully Gaine is running the warroom. I really don't care which direction he goes. But one thing is for sure, this team badly needs to add speed/playmakers.
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WR I definitely also would throw into the group that I would rather get 1 year before it being a dire need - rather have overlap.

I've been banging on a true speedy FS too.

I think the very high investment of 1st and 3rd last year has to be taken into account to some degree. How about a play for Terrance Knighton?
 
infantrycak said:
WR I definitely also would throw into the group that I would rather get 1 year before it being a dire need - rather have overlap.

I've been banging on a true speedy FS too.

I think the very high investment of 1st and 3rd last year has to be taken into account to some degree. How about a play for Terrance Knighton?
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If Kendrick Lewisis brought back, I don't think FS is a need. Maybe draft S Jawuiski Tartt to challenge Swearinger
 
I'm mostly leaning towards corner at this point. Regardless of what happens with the guys we had last year...I think the potential value there and our need match up pretty well.
 
infantrycak said:
I want an Earl Thomas/Eric Weddle not a JAG.
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I'm not high on this S class. Although I do like Cody Prewitt. There's not a Thomas/Weddle in this yrs group.

Hopefully Dupree falls to 16, he can play either OLB spot. I wouldn't mind doubling up on OLB's if Hunter is there in the 2nd. The key to great 3-4 defenses is a stud NT and outside rushers.

The Texans probably wont draft like this, they sometimes reach for need over talent. I put pass rushers at a premium and think that Hunter will be a stud in a couple of yrs. Passing on a talent like Hunter would be a mistake. IMHO

How would you feel if the Texans filled the Edge rush position with Dupree/Hunter then in Rds 3-5 filled the WR need (There should be talent there.) and the RT spot? Looks like the Texans have been sniffing around the rd 5-6 OT market. (Donnal/Cofield/D.Miller) You cant fill all of the needs in one draft but fixing the WR/Pass rushing/RT positions would be a great start and much better than the last 3 drafts.
 
I really don't see them going high on pass rush.

Unless Newton isn't re-signed I don't see that as anything but a depth need. Not going to complain if they let him go and attempt to upgrade.

I think they are real well placed to get in no particular order (I really don't believe in stacking specific needs to specific rounds analysis) 3 out of 5 of - CB, RB, ILB, S and WR in the critical 1st 3 rounds.
 
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