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Ryan Mallett

In what way?

in the sense that if we want him, we've got to commit with still little to no sense of how good he really is......& with him coming off an injury..which are generally 2 big no no's when offering contracts to FA's. The FA qb market is terrible so he will command a pretty penny and short of the contract having no guaranteed money..this has Schaub extension blow-up-in-your-face potential.
 
Because basically all we have is just one complete football game with Mallett in
healthy and good physical condition to evaluate his abilites and potentially be our starting QB for hopefully multiple seasons. Just one game IMO is inadequate to make a thorough evaluation, don't you think ?

So your injury questions didn't make any difference. All we were going to have no matter what before a contract decision was one healthy game.
 
Because basically all we have is just one complete football game with Mallett in
healthy and good physical condition to evaluate his abilites and potentially be our starting QB for hopefully multiple seasons. Just one game IMO is inadequate to make a thorough evaluation, don't you think ?

Okay, I was thrown off by the inclusion of the injury.

Godsey has been Mallet's QB Coach for 4 straight years.

O'Brien was his OC for 2 years: NE rookie & last year.

Mal was with the team all season, taking reps in practice for much of it and teaching the finer points of the offense to FitzBeard and Savage.

So I think there's a good enough evaluation of Mallett to sign him to the 1-2 year prove it deal that NFL people expect. I'd be surprised if Mallett goes for anything longer, because it's really selling himself short... not getting $40 million guaranteed/$17 million average deal at this point imo.
 
Given the timeline provided, no he will not be fully recovered before they extend him a contract. But the prognosis is for full recovery from Doc, who if anything can be described as pessimistic.
You just can't bring yourself to say CONSERVATIVE, even when describing Doc's prognosis. It's not a dirty word, as if that really matters.
 
You just can't bring yourself to say CONSERVATIVE, even when describing Doc's prognosis. It's not a dirty word, as if that really matters.

No it's not a dirty word, but in this context, I think it is less accurate.

If it was about treatment rather than prognosis, I'd use conservative.
 
Yes that is the question isn't it ? But there are teams, including in our own division, with tons of cap (far more than us) who are in a position to be extravagant and even a bit reckless. And Billy isn't going to gaurantee Mallet a starting job, I'm sure he will make it clear to Mallet that's it's going to be a competitive situation.

You mean like last season's "QB Competition"? Give me a break. There was no competition last season, or at least not in that manner. O'Brien was going with Fitz from jump street and only a stand out camp by someone else was going to change that, and the odds of that happening were minimal. Except for you Keenum fans who were sure he was going to light it up in camp.

Mallet is O'Brien's choice much more so than Fitz was IMO. I'm just surprised it took him so long to get him in there. It's not like Fitz did'nt give him enough reason for the swap. I think we'll know soon enough.
 
OK then so I appreciate that, and it's what I suspected and feared which is to some extent we will still be buying a pig in a poke if we offer Mallet a contract.

Okay, there is a degree of unknown regarding Mallett (although not as much as you like to pretend, and none of it related to the injury), but who is available that is both more of a known quantity, and more attractive?

We know more about Case and Fitzpatrick as NFL starters than we do about Mallett, but that knowledge only increases the appeal of Mallett and his upside. If there is an available FA who you feel has shown he's the guy to lead the Texans for the next five years, I'd like a name, and if some degree of probable success is what you're looking for, then we'll forego any discussion of the draft.

Also, as to your comment on competition for the job, I've said before that if O'Brien and Co. genuinely believe he's got a decent shot to be the long-term answer, I've got no problem with Mallett essentially being given the job.

Think about this - assuming he resigns with the Texans, he'll either get a contract that's easy to get out of after one or two years (most likely), or he'll get a deal that cements him as the Texans QB for years to come (highly unlikely IMO). In the unlikely event of the latter of those two, it's a given that they're going to make him the starting QB from day one. If it's a "prove-it" type of deal, then they should see what they've got shouldn't they? Folks were clamoring for Mallett to start last season from virtually the day he was acquired so we could see what we've got. Under the "prove-it" type contract, wouldn't the urgency be even more since there's more money, and higher expectations on the line. Yeah, someone (obviously Savage as the most likely candidate) could dazzle in camp and pre-season ala Russell Wilson in his rookie year, but given they've seen Savage for a full year, I believe they'd have some idea if that were even an outside possibility (and perhaps they do and are playing it close to the vest). And as unlikely as it is that Savage will be that guy, it's less likely that Keenum, Fitzgerald, Thad Lewis or anyone not on the 2014 roster will be that guy.

Finally, you've got Savage under contract for three more seasons, so if you sacrifice one of those to more thoroughly evaluate Mallett, and continue to develop a guy who was a 5th round pick because, at least in part, of his limited college playing time, I don't see any problem there at all.
 
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Think about this - assuming he resigns with the Texans, he'll either get a contract that's easy to get out of after one or two years (most likely), or he'll get a deal that cements him as the Texans QB for years to come (highly unlikely IMO). In the unlikely event of the latter of those two, it's a given that they're going to make him the starting QB from day one. If it's a "prove-it" type of deal, then they should see what they've got shouldn't they? Folks were clamoring for Mallett to start last season from virtually the day he was acquired so we could see what we've got. Under the "prove-it" type contract, wouldn't the urgency be even more since there's more money, and higher expectations on the line. Yeah, someone (obviously Savage as the most likely candidate) could dazzle in camp and pre-season ala Russell Wilson in his rookie year, but given they've seen Savage for a full year, I believe they'd have some idea if that were even an outside possibility (and perhaps they do and are playing it close to the vest). And as unlikely as it is that Savage will be that guy, it's less likely that Keenum, Fitzgerald, Thad Lewis or anyone not on the 2014 roster will be that guy. ....
Texans have a history of awarding long, opulent contracts to players whose future was in grave doubt (Cushing, Schaub). Do you think they have corrected their mistakes?

Could they slap a franchise tag on Mallett?
 
Texans have a history of awarding long, opulent contracts to players whose future was in grave doubt (Cushing, Schaub). Do you think they have corrected their mistakes?

Could they slap a franchise tag on Mallett?

You want to pay $17 mil just to call it 1 year deal?

Again, the structure is what matters not the maximum potential length.
 
Texans have a history of awarding long, opulent contracts to players whose future was in grave doubt (Cushing, Schaub). Do you think they have corrected their mistakes?

Could they slap a franchise tag on Mallett?

I don't think there was any "grave doubt" about either of those players. Cushing was expected to ( and was ) recover fully.

There was doubt about Schaub's Lisfranc Injury but he played really well after the injury and had the team with one of the best records in the league. It wasn't just Schaub that was exposed at the end of 1012. NO ONE predicted 2013.

Get over your hate and move on
 
Are you implying that conservative and pessimist are interchangeable?

They are certainly different though frequently used interchangeably. Other frequently used terms are cautious, realistic and clinical. Each is slightly different, but the difference is lost in common usage.
 
Texans have a history of awarding long, opulent contracts to players whose future was in grave doubt (Cushing, Schaub). Do you think they have corrected their mistakes?

Could they slap a franchise tag on Mallett?

No. It's waaaaay too much for an unproven player.
 
I don't think there was any "grave doubt" about either of those players. Cushing was expected to ( and was ) recover fully.

There was doubt about Schaub's Lisfranc Injury but he played really well after the injury and had the team with one of the best records in the league. It wasn't just Schaub that was exposed at the end of 1012. NO ONE predicted 2013.

Get over your hate and move on

Not only that, Schaub's contract had an out after two years. It was a prove that you're healthy contract. For all anyone knew, he could have been the next Drew Brees.
 
I don't think there was any "grave doubt" about either of those players. Cushing was expected to ( and was ) recover fully.

There was doubt about Schaub's Lisfranc Injury but he played really well after the injury and had the team with one of the best records in the league. It wasn't just Schaub that was exposed at the end of 1012. NO ONE predicted 2013.

Get over your hate and move on
The reason for doubt about Cushing was his history, which was a litany of injury from start to finish. The record will show I deplored the huge contract at the time.

Just stating the facts as a prelude to my question (to somebody else.) I don't hate anybody. Not even you.
 
The reason for doubt about Cushing was his history, which was a litany of injury from start to finish. The record will show I deplored the huge contract at the time.

Just stating the facts as a prelude to my question (to somebody else.) I don't hate anybody. Not even you.

What exactly is this litany of injuries you're talking about?
 
Yeah. Seegara thought Cushing was injury prone after his 1st injury.

Pessimistic after this last injury and Doc's prognosis I get but before that...

Ahhh, that explains why he thinks Mallett will be a one game wonder...

He must think Foster is a wasted case and AJ a complete and total loss
 
And that's why their here and not real GM's

edit: I should say why just wannabes

I'm not a wannabe, but I will point out mistakes that the org makes.

You've got to be in the loop to have the opportunity to kiss the McNair's butts. Obviously being good at your job isn't the main requirement to be the Texans GM.
 
Reported: Mallett Staying in Houston

Doesn't look official to me. I was told there was something on HT.com, but I couldn't find it.

I'll just say it...

Dude's going to be 27 by next season. He's been a career backup in the NFL and has very few snaps under his belt. I don't think he's a hidden gem. He's a back-up for a reason, and he's going to continue to be a career backup QB. I'm just not as excited about him as some are on this board.

I don't want to throw rumors out there, but I have heard from many students at Arkansas that he wasn't exactly the brightest guy in the world. He has the intangibles, the arm strength...he just can't get on the field because he lacks the ability to read defenses/understand the offense.
 
I'll just say it...

Dude's going to be 27 by next season. He's been a career backup in the NFL and has very few snaps under his belt. I don't think he's a hidden gem. He's a back-up for a reason, and he's going to continue to be a career backup QB. I'm just not as excited about him as some are on this board.

I don't want to throw rumors out there, but I have heard from many students at Arkansas that he wasn't exactly the brightest guy in the world. He has the intangibles, the arm strength...he just can't get on the field because he lacks the ability to read defenses/understand the offense.

He looked pretty good running the offense vs a good Browns defense. Very Brady-like at times getting them to the line and catching them off guard.
 
I'll just say it...

he just can't get on the field because he lacks the ability to read defenses/understand the offense.

Well, he did get on the field in 2014, and prior to that, you think if he'd been the best reader of defenses on the planet he would have been named Patriots starter?
 
I'll just say it...

Dude's going to be 27 by next season. He's been a career backup in the NFL and has very few snaps under his belt. I don't think he's a hidden gem. He's a back-up for a reason, and he's going to continue to be a career backup QB. I'm just not as excited about him as some are on this board.

...to Tom Brady. Kind of makes all the difference in the world.

Seriously, put that whole sentence together and try to say it with a straight face as a negative.

I don't want to throw rumors out there, but I have heard from many students at Arkansas that he wasn't exactly the brightest guy in the world. He has the intangibles, the arm strength...he just can't get on the field because he lacks the ability to read defenses/understand the offense.

Some people are turned off by him talking like a whigger. Those who actually talk to him about football such as Gruden say he has a high football IQ. And obviously Godsey and OB who have worked with him his entire time in the NFL don't agree he is a dim bulb. Kind of willing to trust their judgment more than rumors and speech patterns.
 
I'll just say it...

Dude's going to be 27 by next season. He's been a career backup in the NFL and has very few snaps under his belt. I don't think he's a hidden gem. He's a back-up for a reason, and he's going to continue to be a career backup QB. I'm just not as excited about him as some are on this board.

I don't want to throw rumors out there, but I have heard from many students at Arkansas that he wasn't exactly the brightest guy in the world. He has the intangibles, the arm strength...he just can't get on the field because he lacks the ability to read defenses/understand the offense.

Doesn't this completely contradict what OB has said?
 
...to Tom Brady. Kind of makes all the difference in the world.

Seriously, put that whole sentence together and try to say it with a straight face as a negative.

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This guy understands why Mallett was a backup in New England...

I'm not comparing players, but even the great Aaron Rodgers was a backup QB for several seasons. That, in and of itself, says very little about a player without context.
 
I believe that this is a reflection of Drew Dougherty's recent live chat on HT.com, where he stated that he believed that come Day 1, Mallett would be the Texans starter.

Exactly!! Nothing more than what many have been saying. This Browns insider has also said it is expected that Fitzpatrick gets released.
 
I'll just say it...

Dude's going to be 27 by next season. He's been a career backup in the NFL and has very few snaps under his belt. I don't think he's a hidden gem. He's a back-up for a reason, and he's going to continue to be a career backup QB. I'm just not as excited about him as some are on this board.

I don't want to throw rumors out there, but I have heard from many students at Arkansas that he wasn't exactly the brightest guy in the world. He has the intangibles, the arm strength...he just can't get on the field because he lacks the ability to read defenses/understand the offense.

He partied a lot in college and had the "dumb jock" stereotype but no one questioned his football IQ

it's not like he did terrible on the wonderlic
 
I'll just say it...

Dude's going to be 27 by next season. He's been a career backup in the NFL and has very few snaps under his belt. I don't think he's a hidden gem. He's a back-up for a reason, and he's going to continue to be a career backup QB. I'm just not as excited about him as some are on this board.

I don't want to throw rumors out there, but I have heard from many students at Arkansas that he wasn't exactly the brightest guy in the world. He has the intangibles, the arm strength...he just can't get on the field because he lacks the ability to read defenses/understand the offense.

Anyone behind Tom Brady is not going to get starts. He might be what you say or he could be better than Tom who is entrenched as the starter. He started as soon as OB felt he might be a better option than Fitz with about 10 weeks in OBs version of the system, so I wouldn't say he has failed to win a starting job as much as he hasn't had the opportunity to win a starting job.

But one thing about being a backup. He has less wear and tear on his body than a kid who started immediately and absorbed the punishment that the NFL dishes out.
 
I believe that this is a reflection of Drew Dougherty's recent live chat on HT.com...
...
What Texans players have you seen lately around NRG Stadium?
via·6 days ago

Drew Dougherty
Ben Jones, Xavier Su'a-Filo, Ryan Mallett, Ryan Fitzpatrick, just to name a few, over the last month.​

Hey Drew what players do you see the Texans getting in Free Agents
via·6 days ago

Drew Dougherty
I think they'll sign a QB in free agency (most likely Mallett), and they'll likely bring in a pass-rusher type.​
Which QB on the roster or Free agent do you believe will be the would be best for the texas? which QB do you think will actually be here come week one starting. thanks sir
via·6 days ago

Drew Dougherty
I think Mallett will likely be the guy under center in Week 1.​

Then RW picked it up: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6470/ryan-mallett
 
All I know is this, the offense ran like a machine during that Cleveland game. He knew exactly what he was doing on every play.

The Fitz ran it slow and sloppy

The coaching staff had to re-adjust the offense entirely when Keenum stepped in, almost like a college type offense

Whether he's the answer is yet to be determined, but given our (and his) options, it'd be dumb for both parties to part ways.

Personally, I'd re-sign Mallett, whack Fitz and Keenum and draft a Petty-type QB on day 2.

Mallett
Savage
Day 2 QB
 
...to Tom Brady. Kind of makes all the difference in the world.

Seriously, put that whole sentence together and try to say it with a straight face as a negative.

It took him 10 games before he could even start before Ryan Fitzpatrick. And it took a terrible game from Fitzpatrick for that to even happen. He couldn't even win the starting position here.
 
All I know is this, the offense ran like a machine during that Cleveland game. He knew exactly what he was doing on every play.

The Fitz ran it slow and sloppy

The coaching staff had to re-adjust the offense entirely when Keenum stepped in, almost like a college type offense

Whether he's the answer is yet to be determined, but given our (and his) options, it'd be dumb for both parties to part ways.

Personally, I'd re-sign Mallett, whack Fitz and Keenum and draft a Petty-type QB on day 2.

Mallett
Savage
Day 2 QB

I'd rather not draft a late round qb. Rather let keenum try to beat out fitz for the last roster spot. Probably won't happen. But those two maybe among others should be fighting for last roster spot. However they get those end of the roster/back up qb's... I'd rather they not waste any more picks there on qbs at this stage in our development as a team.

Spend a late round pick on someone that at least has a chance to contribute on special teams in a winning situation.
 
It took him 10 games before he could even start before Ryan Fitzpatrick. And it took a terrible game from Fitzpatrick for that to even happen. He couldn't even win the starting position here.

I wanted Fitz gone as much as anyone here but Fitz had by far his best year as a pro and spotted a 95.5 QB rating which is nothing to sneeze at.

He did win the starting position here and what they very clearly waited for was the bye week.

You tell me what's a bigger stretch in reasoning - wait to the bye week v. couldn't start over Tom Brady?

Yeah, it really is that obvious.
 
He looked pretty good running the offense vs a good Browns defense. Very Brady-like at times getting them to the line and catching them off guard.

All I know is this, the offense ran like a machine during that Cleveland game. He knew exactly what he was doing on every play.

It wasn't perfect and he probably should have had at least 1 pick, but it was the best-looking hurry-up Offense I've seen the Texans pull off since the OT Loss to the Ravens in 2010.
 
It took him 10 games before he could even start before Ryan Fitzpatrick. And it took a terrible game from Fitzpatrick for that to even happen. He couldn't even win the starting position here.

Couldn't win the starting position ? He flew in on a plane and then the season started, he had no time to win the starting Job.

Lord why are some giving the guy so much grief ? He played really well in his first start, was hurt and struggled in his 2nd.

The kid has the ability and i think he can be what this team has been looking for !
 
Was he here for OTA's and TC to have a chance to win it?

~Don't let little things like facts get in the way of predetermined conclusions. He has decided that anyone can step in without knowing the system and start day 1 while operating at peak efficiency. That's the way is works on the games, right? After all, there is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between the New England OFFENSE under Beliarcheat and the Texan OFFENSE under OB.~

I know it's difficult to deal with uncertainty, but that is where we sit no matter who we acquire or who remains.
 
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