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Just throwing this out there.... how hard would it be to get you draftniks to put together one big board? Asinif you were scouts working for one team with the goal to come to a consensus.

I know it sounds impossible to come to a consensus, but the 32 NFL teams have to one way or the other. We can hash out how we'll manage & go from there.

Any of you game?
 
thunderkyss said:
Just throwing this out there.... how hard would it be to get you draftniks to put together one big board? Asinif you were scouts working for one team with the goal to come to a consensus.

I know it sounds impossible to come to a consensus, but the 32 NFL teams have to one way or the other. We can hash out how we'll manage & go from there.

Any of you game?
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Ill throw my two cents in.
 
You're talking about a Texan draft board, right? Not one for the entire NFL?
 
Alright..... so first question we need to answer is how do we come to a consensus?

Mollywhopper, mussop, Corrosion, JB, & htownfan32 are in.

Lucky, & Marshall are on the fence. I'm going to assume beerlover, badboy, steelbtexan, Wolf6151, & the other regular draftniks will be chiming in soon.

Do we want to elect a GM, & his word is final? Do we want a three man committee & let their vote be final word?

I'm thinking we'll probably take bah007's top 100 thread & start with that. What do y'all think?
 
Three person committee sounds good. This gives a final authority so as to not have us going round circles for every decision, but also gives a wider degree of opinion as to not have an Al Davis situation.

bah's list is fine, unless someone has a better suggestion. The idea is to mold the thing to a Texans specific board so any template is just a jumping off point.

Might I suggest some deadline of sorts for final suggestions or tallies. This mustn't be decided right away or anything, but I figure the goal is to have something in place for D-day and that shnit will be in here quicker than a hiccup relative to a task like this.
 
As one who worked with two other board members for years to accomplish a joint mock, I would like to warn that it takes a bit more compromise than you might think. The three of us forming 3 Amigos were Beerlover, RMartin 65 and myself. Not bragging but we were able to have some pretty serious discussions and critiques of each other without getting angry or hurting feelings. So keep that in mind. It can be fun and very rewarding but frustrating also. It can also lead to personal slams & I'm not being part of that.

Having said that, I'm in at least initially. Suggestions...


Will the "board" be set up as to how we think Texans will draft or what we want them to?

Should not the picks be reasonable in being available at each pick? Picking a guy #82 (third) that most think will be long gone is not very fruitful just because we like a guy.

I think stats and info like off field issues (Marcus Peters, DGB and Winston) should be noted as not all are aware. Age, positions and skills should be noted like 40 time for WRs/DBs and hip swivel, knee bend, verticals, arm length is important. Let's establish guidelines before jumping in.
 
thunderkyss said:
Alright..... so first question we need to answer is how do we come to a consensus?

Mollywhopper, mussop, Corrosion, JB, & htownfan32 are in.

Lucky, & Marshall are on the fence. I'm going to assume beerlover, badboy, steelbtexan, Wolf6151, & the other regular draftniks will be chiming in soon.

Do we want to elect a GM, & his word is final? Do we want a three man committee & let their vote be final word?

I'm thinking we'll probably take bah007's top 100 thread & start with that. What do y'all think?
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I do appreciate the invite and personal mention but I'm going to pass. I'll follow the thread and read with interest but I'm not a big board type of person. I don't like comparing apples and oranges and then saying one player is better than another when they play different positions. Thanks.
 
Just an idea. We could do this in blocks of 5. Each day each of us could turn in a ballet of our top five guys with the top guy garnering 5 points, the second guy 4, third-3, fourth-2 and 5th-1. at the end of the day after a deadline some we elect or that volunteers could tally the votes and post the top five guys with the highest votes. This will speed up the process and allow us to get a top 50 by the time the combine starts. Other wise I fear we will be just disagreeing with each other till we are blue in the face. :slapfight:

after the combine each of us that had a vote could petition to move someone up or down and we could all vote on it.

of course we need to make it absolutely clear what exactly this board reflects. Is it who we want the texans to take? Is it who we think they will take? Is it just a who best overall?

Anyway just a suggestion. Feel free to shoot it down or adjust it any way you guys want. :runaway:
 
mussop said:
Just an idea. We could do this in blocks of 5. Each day each of us could turn in a ballet of our top five guys with the top guy garnering 5 points, the second guy 4, third-3, fourth-2 and 5th-1. at the end of the day after a deadline some we elect or that volunteers could tally the votes and post the top five guys with the highest votes. This will speed up the process and allow us to get a top 50 by the time the combine starts. Other wise I fear we will be just disagreeing with each other till we are blue in the face. :slapfight:

after the combine each of us that had a vote could petition to move someone up or down and we could all vote on it.

of course we need to make it absolutely clear what exactly this board reflects. Is it who we want the texans to take? Is it who we think they will take? Is it just a who best overall?

Anyway just a suggestion. Feel free to shoot it down or adjust it any way you guys want. :runaway:
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That's a good idea. Maybe we could do a POLL on positions of need ... :kitten:
 
mussop said:
Just an idea. We could do this in blocks of 5. Each day each of us could turn in a ballet of our top five guys with the top guy garnering 5 points, the second guy 4, third-3, fourth-2 and 5th-1.
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Good idea.



mussop said:
of course we need to make it absolutely clear what exactly this board reflects. Is it who we want the texans to take? Is it who we think they will take? Is it just a who best overall?
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Exactly. It's up to the group of course, but I was thinking best overall, excluding players the Texans absolutely would not take. Like say I believe Winston is the best player in this draft, but even at 16 the Texans wouldn't take him. Regardless the reasoning. Doesn't matter if we feel like we've got a QB, or that he's got character issues. One reason or another, it's just not going to happen (to be clear, if he's there at 16 I don't see us passing, so I would advocate putting him on the list even though I don't expect him to be there).
 
JB said:
That's a good idea. Maybe we could do a POLL on positions of need ... :kitten:
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This isn't my gig but from the cheap seats instead of 1-100 (which is not the way teams do it IMO) having a board set in tranches would be much more interesting. just a thought.
 
infantrycak said:
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This isn't my gig but from the cheap seats instead of 1-100 (which is not the way teams do it IMO) having a board set in tranches would be much more interesting. just a thought.
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I thought they were set in tiers...
 
OK, so do we list the top 5 guys in the draft that we would like or the top 5 that we realistically expect to be there when we draft?
 
JB said:
:mcnugget: wtf is as tranch? Isn't that another term for a skank? :kitten:
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The term tranche is used in fields of finance other than structured finance (such as in straight lending, where multi-tranche loans are commonplace), but the term's use in structured finance may be singled out as particularly important. Use of "tranche" as a verb is limited almost exclusively to this field.
All the tranches together make up what is referred to as the deal's capital structure or liability structure. They are generally paid sequentially from the most senior to most subordinate (and generally unsecured), although certain tranches with the same security may be paid pari passu. The more senior rated tranches generally have higher bond credit ratings (ratings) than the lower rated tranches. For example, senior tranches may be rated AAA, AA or A, while a junior, unsecured tranche may be
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranche
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This is where the term gained it's most notoriety, so to those who might recognize it, from the subprime mortgage crises, an it's application in this context is very interesting. But why not, huh ?
 
JB said:
OK, so do we list the top 5 guys in the draft that we would like or the top 5 that we realistically expect to be there when we draft?
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I think bah007 has already done a lot of the leg work in his top 100 thread tomorrow, I plan on bringing a list of one of the positions here & those who want to participate can confirm his list, regrade his list, add or delete players & what not. Then I'll go through consolidate the list & that will be our list for that position (or tranch if you will).

We'll do every position like that, hopefully we'll be through them all by the combine. After the combine, we'll discuss our lists, make changes as necessary, then we'll start building the big board. I believe that's where we'll list the top 5 guys, consolidate, then do the next group of 5, so far & so on until we're "through" should be finished before the draft.
 
JB said:
OK, so do we list the top 5 guys in the draft that we would like or the top 5 that we realistically expect to be there when we draft?
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I think it will be the top 5 most realistically there. For instance I believe Parker will end up with TB in Minny at worst so he cant among the 5 candidates.

My 5 candidates for instance are Collins/Malcolm Brown/Dawson/Gordon/P.J. Williams

Would love input.
 
steelbtexan said:
I think it will be the top 5 most realistically there. For instance I believe Parker will end up with TB in Minny at worst so he cant among the 5 candidates.

My 5 candidates for instance are Collins/Malcolm Brown/Dawson/Gordon.

Would love input.
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ok, my reading is sucking lately so which one am I missing? ot/dt/ilb/rb

I can only find 4

:cow:

edit: and why not list Parker? It's unlikely but not impossible that he'll be there
 
IDEXAN said:
The term tranche is used in fields of finance other than structured finance (such as in straight lending, where multi-tranche loans are commonplace), but the term's use in structured finance may be singled out as particularly important. Use of "tranche" as a verb is limited almost exclusively to this field.
All the tranches together make up what is referred to as the deal's capital structure or liability structure. They are generally paid sequentially from the most senior to most subordinate (and generally unsecured), although certain tranches with the same security may be paid pari passu. The more senior rated tranches generally have higher bond credit ratings (ratings) than the lower rated tranches. For example, senior tranches may be rated AAA, AA or A, while a junior, unsecured tranche may be
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranche
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This is where the term gained it's most notoriety, so to those who might recognize it, from the subprime mortgage crises, an it's application in this context is very interesting. But why not, huh ?
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Thanks! So tranche is a tier for richy folks? Or is that ritzy?
 
JB said:
ok, my reading is sucking lately so which one am I missing? ot/dt/ilb/rb

I can only find 4

:cow:

edit: and why not list Parker? It's unlikely but not impossible that he'll be there
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I edited my previos post adding PJ Williams.

I just don't think Parker will make it to 16. You know Bridgewater will be lobbying Speilman to pick Parker. Hope I'm wrong.

Anyways that post was meant to start the discussion.
 
steelbtexan said:
I edited my previos post adding PJ Williams.

I just don't think Parker will make it to 16. You know Bridgewater will be lobbying Speilman to pick Parker. Hope I'm wrong.

Anyways that post was meant to start the discussion.
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and it did. Good job!

At this early stage, I'm not giving up hope that either Parker or White might be there... doubtfully both.

We'll see a lot of movement between now and the draft of players up and down the rankings and projections.

btw, you have a great list. Mine will be similar I'm sure
 
I'll partake, although my knowledge of the overall group this year is limits. I can give some details opinions on ACC guys though as usual.
 
I thought this was an overall big board.

from OP.


how hard would it be to get you draftniks to put together one big board? Asinif you were scouts working for one team with the goal to come to a consensus.


There is the possibility that we trade up. Don't think we should pass on anyone unless they aren't a scheme fit.
 
mussop said:
I thought this was an overall big board.

from OP.


how hard would it be to get you draftniks to put together one big board? Asinif you were scouts working for one team with the goal to come to a consensus.


There is the possibility that we trade up. Don't think we should pass on anyone unless they aren't a scheme fit.
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Say you want Parker, how do you reconcile where the Texans pick and how far you would have to trade up and take Parker?
 
mussop said:
I thought this was an overall big board.

from OP.


how hard would it be to get you draftniks to put together one big board? Asinif you were scouts working for one team with the goal to come to a consensus.


There is the possibility that we trade up. Don't think we should pass on anyone unless they aren't a scheme fit.
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My understanding was that it was a Texans specific big board.
 
mussop said:
Thats why I said "There is the possibility that we trade up. Don't think we should pass on anyone unless they aren't a scheme fit."
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Trading up is a possibility, but unlikely. We don't have the depth to be giving up picks.
 
JB said:
Trading up is a possibility, but unlikely. We don't have the depth to be giving up picks.
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No doubt but I doubt the Texans or any other team leave guys off their big board because they think they will go before they pick. If we are going to this why not do it right? Either way is fine with me but I would rather be thorough.
 
mussop said:
No doubt but I doubt the Texans or any other team leave guys off their big board because they think they will go before they pick. If we are going to this why not do it right? Either way is fine with me but I would rather be thorough.
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Totally agree. I don't think you exclude anyone by where they may go within reason.
 
mussop said:
This isn't a mock draft just a big board of all prospects.
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^^^
This

now, will it be one big board with all positions considered or several positional big boards?
In either case, I figure you guys will assign a "round grade/assessment to each prospect, right? By that I mean, you'll say "player whatshisface is worth no more than a X round pick"...?

this should be fun to watch.

and props to TK for coming up with this game.
:)
 
Alrighty then... let's get this thing rolling. We'll start with DE.... discuss, submit your rankings, bang the table...

I truly hope bah007 doesn't mind, I never asked.

bah007 said:
DE
1. Randy Gregory – DE/OLB, Nebraska* 6-6 245 1st
2. Shawn Oakman – DE, Baylor* 6-8 275 1st
3. Arik Armstead – DE, Oregon* 6-7 296 1st
4. Alvin Dupree – DE/OLB, Kentucky 6-4 267 1st
5. Shilique Calhoun – DE/OLB, Michigan St* 6-4 257 1st
6. Trey Flowers – DE/OLB, Arkansas 6-4 267 2nd
7. Za’Darius Smith – DE, Kentucky 6-5 264 3rd
8. Preston Smith – DE, Mississippi St 6-5 267 3rd
9. Bronson Kaufusi – DE, BYU* 6-7 263 3rd
10. Cedric Reed – DE, Texas 6-6 271 4th
11. Lynden Trail – DE, Norfolk St 6-6 260 5th
12. Ray Drew – DE, Georgia 6-4 276 5th
13. Ishaq Williams – DE/OLB, Notre Dame 6-4 271 5th
14. Anthony Chickillo – DE, Miami 6-4 277 5th
15. Corey Crawford – DE, Clemson 6-5 270 6th
16. Frank Clark – DE, Michigan 6-2 270 6th
17. B.J. Larsen – DE, Utah St 6-5 275 7th
18. Brian Mihalik – DE, Boston College 6-9 288 7th
19. Owamagbe Odighizuwa – DE, UCLA 6-3 270 FA
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DE's -
1 Randy Gregory Nebraska 6'6" 245 rJr 3
2 Shane Ray Missouri 6'3" 245 rJr 8
3 Dante Fowler Jr. Florida 6'2" 261 Jr 11
4 Alvin Dupree Kentucky 6'4" 267 rSr 14
5 Eli Harold Virginia 6'4" 250 Jr 22
6 Arik Armstead Oregon 6'7" 296 Jr 26
7 Nate Orchard Utah 6'4" 255 Sr 37
8 Owamagbe Odighizuwa UCLA 6'3" 270 rSr 38
9 Danielle Hunter LSU 6'6" 240 Jr 45
10 Mario Edwards Florida State 6'3" 294 Jr 55
11 Lorenzo Mauldin Louisville 6'4" 243 Sr 62
12 Preston Smith Mississippi St. 6'5" 270 Sr 65
13 Hauoli Kikaha Washington 6'3" 250 rSr 66
14 Trey Flowers Arkansas 6'4" 267 Sr 68
15 Markus Golden Missouri 6'3" 260 rSr 75
16 Henry Anderson Stanford 6'6" 295 rSr 81
17 Za'Darius Smith Kentucky 6'5" 264 Sr 134
18 Cedric Reed Texas 6'6" 271 Sr 150
19 Corey Crawford Clemson 6'5" 270 rSr 173
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OLB's -
1 Shaq Thompson Washington 6'2" 231 Jr 13
2 Vic Beasley Clemson 6'2" 235 rSr 36
3 Paul Dawson TCU 6'2" 230 Sr 41
4 Kwon Alexander LSU 6'2" 227 Jr 57
5 Max Valles Virginia 6'5" 240 Jr 86
6 Jordan Hicks Texas 6'2" 244 rSr 88
7 Zach Hodges Harvard 6'3" 235 Sr 106
8 Martrell Spaight Arkansas 6'1" 231 Sr 125
9 Lynden Trail Norfolk St. 6'6" 260 rSr 139
10 Geneo Grissom Oklahoma 6'4" 252 rSr 146
11 Tony Washington Oregon 6'3" 250 rSr 175
12 Xzavier Dickson Alabama 6'3" 268 Sr 189
13 J.R. Tavai USC 6'2" 250 Sr 198
14 Jake Ryan Michigan 6'3" 238 rSr 210
15 Aaron Davis Colorado State 6'0" 220 Sr 212
16 Davis Tull Chattanooga 6'2" 242 rSr 240
17 Alani Fua BYU 6'5" 228 rSr 257
18 Edmond Robinson Newberry 6'4" 230 Sr 288
19 Mark Nzeocha Wyoming 6'3" 239 Sr 290
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By Matt Miller , NFL Draft Lead Writer Feb 9, 2015
 
beerlover said:
DE's -


OLB's -


By Matt Miller , NFL Draft Lead Writer Feb 9, 2015
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A lot of those DE's will also be playing 3-4 OLB. For instance Gregory/Orchard will be playing OLB if a team like Atl/SF picks them.

3-4 OLB's

1. Beasley
2. Dawson
3. Gregory
4. Fowler
5. Ray

DE's

1. Armstead
2. Dupree
3. Beasley
4. Gregory
5. Odidhizuwa
 
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thunderkyss said:
Alrighty then... let's get this thing rolling. We'll start with DE.... discuss, submit your rankings, bang the table...
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The list you had from bah007 included guys who are clearly not 34 DEs or aren't in this draft. He likely meant that as an all inclusive DE list, regardless of scheme. I copied this from the combine invite list, and removed prospects that were clearly edge players, nose tackles, or strictly 43 DEs. In my opinion. I'm not suggesting that all of these players can be or should be 34 DEs, or that there aren't others that can be 34 DEs. Just a jumping off point for discussion.


Henry Anderson (DE), Stanford
Arik Armstead (DE), Oregon
Tavaris Barnes (DE), Clemson
Michael Bennett (DT), Ohio State
Angelo Blackson (DT), Auburn
Malcom Brown (DT), Texas
Xavier Cooper (DT), Washington State
Christian Covington (DT), Rice
Corey Crawford (DE), Clemson
Carl Davis (DT), Iowa
B.J. Dubose (DE), Louisville
Mario Edwards (DE), Florida State
Marcus Hardison (DE), Arizona State
Martin Ifedi (DE), Memphis
Derrick Lott (DT), Tennessee-Chattanooga
Joey Mbu (DT), Houston
Leon Orr (DT), Florida
David Parry (NT), Stanford
Jordan Phillips (DT), Oklahoma
Cedric Reed (DE), Texas
Bobby Richardson (DT), Indiana
Preston Smith (DE), Mississippi State
Leterrius Walton (DT), Central Michigan
Leonard Williams (DT), USC
Gabe Wright (DT), Auburn
 
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