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East/West Shrine Game 2015

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Catchall for E/W Shrine Game (@Shrine_Game) news...

Texans scouting is there in full force minus Maccagnan.

Eric Galko ‏@OptimumScouting
Mike Singletary is not making friends in the scouting community with his #shrinegame practices. It's geared toward winning, not evaluating.

Jeff Risdon ‏@JeffRisdon
The lack of tweeting represents Mike Singletary's ridiculous practice session.

Dan Hope ‏@Dan_Hope
Least surprising news of the day: Singletary is running offense vs. offense / defense vs. defense walk throughs again.
Who thought Singletary was a good idea? :headhurts:


Shrine Bowl preview -- John Harris
Here are some of the next level prospects to watch this week.

East Roster
WR Tre McBride, William & Mary (6’1”, 205 lb.)
McBride is the rock star of the 2015 Shrine Bowl and apparently had a stellar day one in Florida. He does jaw dropping things with the ball in the air as he high points the ball extremely well. He has a massive catching radius for a guy just a shade over 6’1” and wins most 50/50 balls. A smart, crafty route runner, he’ll adjust to the ball in the air. Playing at William & Mary in the Colonial Athletic League, he didn’t, obviously, face top competition but in 2013 faced West Virginia and went over WVU defenders twice for deep downfield, big-time catches. Like Arizona Cardinals star rookie WR John Brown, McBride will be a name you’ll hear a bunch leading up to Draft Day.

WR Devin Gardner, Michigan (6’4”, 216 lb.)
After two years at receiver, Michigan moved Gardner back to quarterback with mixed results. So, the powers that be with the Shrine Bowl invited him to Florida as a receiver. It was clear he wasn’t a next level quarterback candidate, but he did show that he could be dynamic with the ball in his hands. An NFL team may have to go on spec with Gardner but there’s ability there; it’s just a matter of whether he can harness it as a pass catcher at the next level.

CB Cam Thomas, Western Kentucky (6’1”, 200 lb.)
Prototype corner size in today’s NFL, Thomas will draw eyes immediately. Teams seemingly learned not to test him in 2014. He had ten passes defensed and five interceptions in 2013, but only five passes defensed and two interceptions in 2014. With his size and build, a solid week at the Shrine Bowl and a strong 40 time at the Combine, he’s going to be a coveted prospect come May 2015.

DE Darry Waud, Western-University Ontario (6’5”, 290 lb.)
Yes, that’s Ontario as in the Ontario in Canada. Watching his tape is odd, as it is studying all Canadian prospects, as there are players going in motion all over the place and a 55-yard line. But, Waud’s not difficult to find. There’s a clear distinction between the haves and have nots in Canadian college football and Waud was clearly dominant for Western. The NFL will go anywhere to find players and the Shrine Bowl may have helped that process bringing Waud to Florida for this week.

DE Davis Tull, UT-Chattanooga (6’5”, 240 lb.)
I first learned of Tull a year and a half ago, stumbling on him after he had earned All-Southern Conference honors in 2013. I went to see what I could find on Youtube, clicked play and then saw a whirling, relentless dervish was all over the place. He leapt over blockers. He spun around offensive tackles. He ran off the screen and back in chasing the quarterback. The effort and pass rush acumen are there for sure. He’ll need to make the transition to OLB but when he rushes the passer, it doesn’t matter where he lines up, he’ll get there or die trying. A two time FCS 1st team All-American, Tull is a known commodity throughout FCS but it’s time for him to take a step this week in Florida at the Shrine Bowl.

West Roster
The Dakotas’ finest RBs - Zach Zenner, South Dakota State (6’, 220 lb.) & John Crockett, North Dakota State (6’1”, 215 lb.)
Zenner is a three time FCS 1st Team All-American and is without question one of the most intriguing players in this draft class. Don’t be fooled by appearances, this guy can fly and he’s a big, powerful back. The speed is legitimate and he ran away from defenses, including when he faced Atlanta Falcons CB Robert Alford when the Falcon was at SELA in 2012.

Crockett arrived at the Shrine Bowl with four FCS championship rings on his resume. He became the bona fide, number one starter in 2014 and starred. He ran for 1,994 yards and 21 TD and caught 30 passes in addition in 16 games. Crockett has another gear and when he gets to the second level, he’s a true home run hitter.

C Greg Mancz, Toledo (6’5”, 297 lb.)
He was the 2014 Most Valuable Player in the MAC. Not Offensive POY. Not Offensive Lineman of the Year. The conference’s player of the year. That’s an incredible honor and it showed what the coaches in his conference thought about his contributions. This isn’t a great class for centers or interior linemen so Mancz is positioned to be one of the first C/G off the board in April. He’ll need a strong week at the Shrine Bowl to solidify that ranking.

Y/Joker Blake Bell, Oklahoma (6’6”, 260 lb.)
Many remember Bell as the Belldozer, the Sooners’ wildcat power running option at quarterback. But, he moved to tight end in 2014 and may have found his calling at the next level. He’s a willing blocker and will improve, in large part because he doesn’t shy away from the violence at the line of scrimmage. As such, he just needs a ton of technique work. Having played quarterback all his life, he’s got good hands and is athletic. With his athleticism, he could be joker/move guy at the next level. I said this early in the 2014 season, he’s an intriguing prospect and the move to tight end saved his college football career and perhaps gave him a professional one.

DT Chucky Hunter, TCU (6’1”, 307 lb.)
Stout and quick, Hunter reminds me a bit of former Alabama star DE and current Houston Texan Jeoffrey Pagan. The TCU defense had plenty of stars and well-known All-Americans, but Hunter was the engine driving that unit in the middle of the defense. Not sure if he’ll get a chance to show whether he can move out to 3-4 DE and play the 4 / 5 technique, but he’s got the feet and quickness to do it.

DE Martin Ifedi, Memphis (6’4”, 270 lb.)
Not sure what position suits him best to be honest but he can be disruptive in the middle. I don’t think he can be a star edge rusher, but he bends the edge adequately well enough to at least get attention from the NFL scouts on hand. Missed three games this season, yet he still registered nearly ten tackles for a loss. Big week for him in front of NFL personnel.
 
I remember last year RaC was the coach of one of those sides and I had my mock with us taking all these Shrine Game players toward the latter half of the draft...

It didn't really work out that way. I think that late round CB Dre Hal was at the game, but I am pretty sure he wasn't even being coached by RaC. Pretty sure he was on the other side. Can't remember seeing him on the field last year though (not including STs). I'm sure he was, I just don't remember it though.

Hopefully this year there are some more Texans. I know the Pats saw something they liked last year.
 
Chip's there, with Mayock...

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If you plan on watching the game tomorrow then I assume you are already familiar with guys like B.J. Finney, Sean Hickey, Taiwan Jones, Cam Thomas, and Tony Washington. Those guys were already on the mid-round radar coming into this week. So here is a list of sleepers to keep your eye on.....


East
Offense:
QB - Taylor Heinicke (6-1, 210), Old Dominion
RB - Kenny Hilliard (5-11, 230), LSU
WR - Deon Long (6-1, 195), Maryland
WR - Tre McBride (6-1, 205), William & Mary
TE - Wes Saxton (6-4, 240), South Alabama
OL - Jamon Brown (6-6, 328), Louisville
OL - Darian Miller (6-5, 290), Kentucky

Defense:
DE - B.J. Dubose (6-5, 263), Louisville
DT - Derrick Lott (6-4, 298), UT Chattanooga
DE/LB - Deiontrez Mount (6-5, 246), Louisville
LB - Quayshawn Nealy (6-0, 235), Georgia Tech
CB - Justin Coleman (5-11, 190), Tennessee
CB - Craig Mager (5-11, 195), Texas State
S - Dean Marlowe (6-2, 205), James Madison


West
Offense:
QB - Cody Fajardo (6-2, 215), Nevada
RB - John Crockett (6-1, 215), North Dakota State
WR - Austin Hill (6-3, 215), Arizona
WR - Kasen Williams (6-3, 218), Washington
TE - Blake Bell (6-6, 260), Oklahoma
OL - Mickey Baucus (6-8, 305), Arizona
OL - Adam Shead (6-4, 320), Oklahoma

Defense:
DE - Ryan Russell (6-5, 265), Purdue
DT - Xavier Williams (6-2, 308), Northern Iowa
DT - David Parry (6-2, 305), Stanford
LB - Ben Heeney (6-1, 228), Kansas
LB - Zachary Vigil (6-2, 235), Utah State
CB - Bryce Callahan (5-10, 185), Rice
S - Tevin McDonald (5-11, 191), Eastern Washington
 
not really interested in any of these guys except Cam Thomas but I am not mocking corners this year.
 
West
Offense:
QB - Cody Fajardo (6-2, 215), Nevada

NFL.com grades him at 5.0 in their system that means he might make the roster, might not, depends if he can convince someone to invest time & money on him.
STRENGTHS Dangerous with his legs. Effective zone-scheme runner and scrambler. Good pre-snap recognition of blitz and finds hot read. Shows some pocket awareness and will slide to create space. Uses his eyes to move safety. Will take shots over the top against press-man, single-high safety coverage. Accurate, confident thrower on the move. Adequate accuracy to boundary and utilizes back-shoulder throws when necessary. Looked to slide to finish runs rather than allow contact in 2014 after playing hurt in 2013. Two-time team captain. One of only two players in FBS history (Colin Kaepernick) to throw for 9,000 yards and rush for 3,000 yards during career. Wants to be better as a passer. Attended Manning Passing Academy three years in a row.

WEAKNESSES Below-average build for running quarterback. Was banged up for most of 2013. Shuffles to edge of pocket to find clear passing lane to perimeter. Takes extra step into throws at times and is late delivering to receivers. Crowds targets against sideline or leads them into big hits. Spotty footwork in pocket. Inconsistent resetting feet and often off-balance when making quick throws. Confidence shaken by consistent pressure over last two seasons. Rushed reads and defaulted to short, quick throws. Missed receivers running wide open downfield. Anticipation lacking to compensate for below-average arm strength. Noticeable accuracy issues throwing to middle third. Very average reading defender on zone read.

SOURCES TELL US "Those stats look impressive, but he had a losing record while he was the starter and he never got better as a passer after Chris Ault left." -- AFC West scout

NFL COMPARISON Ryan Fitzpatrick

BOTTOM LINE Productive run-pass quarterback who was forced to carry a substantial percentage of the offensive success on his shoulders. His confidence and accuracy dipped in 2014 and he lacks the poise and arm to become a starter in the league. He's a willing learner and has a chance to be a third quarterback with "package" potential thanks to his toughness as a runner.

-Lance Zierlein
 
What is Singletary supposed to be coaching for if not winning the game??

Showcase prospect tools!

Exactly. The game is mostly unimportant. Everyone is there for the practices. They want to see NFL type, hard hitting, fast moving practices, offense vs. defense. One on ones, two on ones, basic skill drills (backpeddle/hip-flip/inside/outside technique/body control/vs. double moves for CBs, for instance). Competitive reps. Most team representatives leave before the game.

The evenings are also filled will interactions between prospects and teams.
 
10 players who impressed Mayock at Shrine Game practices
Virginia Tech S Detrick Bonner: Bonner (5-foot-11, 195 pounds), who has a 38-inch vertical jump, began his Hokies career at cornerback, then was moved to safety as a sophomore in 2012. He started each of Virginia Tech's 39 games the past three seasons. He finished his career with five interceptions and 23 pass breakups, and proved to be an effective blitzer this season with 3.5 sacks.

Louisville OT Jamon Brown: Brown (6-6, 328) is one of the biggest players at the all-star game. He began his college career at defensive tackle and played in two games at that position as a true freshman before moving to guard during the season. He was Louisville's starting right tackle as a sophomore in 2012, then started at left tackle the past two seasons. He was a weightlifter in high school in Kentucky. In addition, he has a nice singing voice, to the point that he performed John Legend's "Ordinary People" at the 2013 Russell Athletic Bowl luncheon.

Rice CB Bryce Callahan: After redshirting as a true freshman in 2010, Callahan (5-10, 185) was a four-year starter for the Owls. He broke his arm during the 2012 season, but returned after missing five games and started the Owls' bowl game. While he lacks ideal size, he has good quickness and ball skills; he finished his career with 13 picks and 33 pass breakups.

Miami G/T Jonathan Feliciano: Feliciano (6-5, 320) doesn't wow you with his athleticism or strength, but he is a hard-working guy who is tenacious and versatile. He started at guard and tackle during his career at Miami, and saw action this season at guard, left tackle and right tackle. Every offensive lineman was cross-trained at other line spots this week, and Feliciano was comfortable at both guard and tackle, though guard seems like his best position at the next level.

Memphis CB Bobby McCain: McCain (5-11, 190) was one of the standouts this week. Mayock points out that when you're a small cornerback -- and McCain's listed height is a bit generous -- "you better have great feet." And McCain does. Mayock calls him an "ideal nickel candidate." McCain never redshirted and was a four-year starter for the Tigers, finishing his career with 15 picks (he returned three for TDs) and 15 pass breakups. He also was a solid return man for the Tigers.

Louisville G John Miller: Miller (6-3, 315) never redshirted and was a four-year starter for the Cardinals. He is physical and can be a road-grader as a run blocker; he also improved as a pass protector this season.

San Diego State OT Terry Poole: Poole (6-5, 310) played two seasons of junior college football and signed with SDSU in 2012; he redshirted that fall, started at right tackle in 2013 and moved to left tackle in 2014. Poole is a good technician who looks as if he also could play guard.

Stanford S Jordan Richards: Mayock noted that Richards (5-11, 210) is not overly gifted athletically but is "very sound" with his fundamentals. He was a three-year starter for the Cardinal and was a first-team All-Pac-12 pick this season, when he had three interceptions, five pass breakups, three forced fumbles and 79 tackles for one of the more physical defenses nationally.

Georgia CB Damian Swann: Swann (6-0, 185) was a three-year starter for the Bulldogs and had eight interceptions, 21 pass breakups and six forced fumbles in his career. He was physical and aggressive in one-on-one drills this week and certainly wasn't afraid to use his hands.

Central Michigan DT Leterrius Walton: Mayock said Walton had a "really good week." Walton (6-5, 305) was a three-year starter for CMU and showed an ability to be disruptive at times, with three sacks and 13 tackles for loss in his final two seasons with the Chippewas.
 
Heinicke had a real strong arm. Now he just needs to work on getting the ball within 10 yards of the receiver.
 
D-Linemen are winning the day right now.

Anthony Chickillo (DE, Miami), Derrick Lott (DT, UT-Chattanooga), and Za'Darius Smith (DE, Kentucky) for the East squad are dominating.

Martin Ifedi (DE, Memphis), Ryan Russell (DE, Purdue), and Xavier Williams (DT, Northern Iowa) are playing really well for the West squad.

The QB play has been pretty horrendous all the way around.
 
Would yall be cool w/ drafting one of those guys to hopefully displace Crick? Or were yall happy enough w/ Crick this season?

It's a big IF that one of these guys would actually displace Crick, I do realize that, but drafting them in the 4th-5th would mean you are probably hoping it could happen. I assume guys like Chickillo probably move themself into that range with this game although Walter is calling him 6th+ right now. Also next year is the last year of Crick's rookie deal so we would have to pay him real money in 2016 if we kept him.
 
Would yall be cool w/ drafting one of those guys to hopefully displace Crick? Or were yall happy enough w/ Crick this season?

It's a big IF that one of these guys would actually displace Crick, I do realize that, but drafting them in the 4th-5th would mean you are probably hoping it could happen. I assume guys like Chickillo probably move themself into that range with this game although Walter is calling him 6th+ right now. Also next year is the last year of Crick's rookie deal so we would have to pay him real money in 2016 if we kept him.

I was satisfied with Crick. He'll never be an all-star but he was a solid starter this year. Those guys are valuable because not every guy on your roster can be a pro bowler. Wouldn't mind some depth though. Chickillo is built very similarly to Crick and could play in RC's scheme. He's a 4th-5th rounder. Would be a 2nd-3rd rounder if he had more pass rush ability.

I'm very intrigued by Xavier Williams (Northern Iowa). 6-2, 325 and he can move. Not sure what his "stock" is because I'm not all that familiar with him, but he looks like a 3rd-4th rounder from what I've seen.
 
The two Louisville OL looked good to me. The Arizona kid got wrecked by Rasco on one play but other than that he looked alright. The rest looked undraftable.
 
Chickillo looked like the best player on the field to me, but that OT he was matched up against is not NFL caliber.

I wouldn't waste my time on Fajardo. I've watched him multiple times and he is the definition of a spread QB who does not have the skills to translate to the NFL. He keeps getting hyped up because he followed Kapernick, but he isn't even close.
 
I think it just boils down to some highly rated Draft prospects who want to avoid some post-season competition that might expose them as being overrated. Frankly I don't blame them a bit because anybody would be well advised to hedge their most valuable assets.
 
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