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Cardale Jones, QB, OSU

nero THE zero

nero THE zero

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Jones lead OSU to an upset win over one of the best defenses in college football, and looked mighty impressive doing it.

It was only Jones' second career start, but at 6'5" 250 lbs, he looked fantastic against Alabama.

Jones is a greyshirt sophomore, which means he is draft eligible, and likely would sit behind Miller at OSU next year.

What are the odds he declares for the draft? And, if so, where does he go?
 
I doubt a QB with three games of experience declares for the draft.

He is a good runner for his size. You can almost see the defensive backs cringing when he is running free in the secondary and bearing down on them.
 
nero THE zero said:
Duly noted. Though, neither Cam Newton nor Aaron Rodgers pass either.
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Lucky said:
Neither did Savage or Mallet
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Cam had 2 years at Florida, 1 year at Blinn, 1 year at Auburn.

Rodgers had 2 years as a starter then sat for 3 years in NFL.

Savage had 2 years at Rutgers and 1 year at Pitt and was a 4th/5th pick who hasn't threatened to take over the league at this point.

Mallett had 1 year at Michigan and 2 years at Arkansas and sat for 3 years.


Jones will have 3 post high school starts, one stint at military school, and this to his name...

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The point is he'd be better served to gain starter experience at OSU or another college than try the NFL with such little education, football and otherwise.
 
Playoffs said:
The point is he'd be better served to gain starter experience at OSU or another college than try the NFL with such little education, football and otherwise.
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The argument that he doesn't have enough starts is certainly valid. He's the paragon of a project QB.

But, his age, coupled with the fact that he's stuck behind an entrenched starting QB (transfer rumors notwithstanding), make his situation unique. Depending on what his projected draft value is (hence the thread), it might make more sense for him to declare and sit behind an NFL veteran for a couple of years (a la Aaron Rodgers).
 
Playoffs said:
The point is he'd be better served to gain starter experience at OSU or another college than try the NFL with such little education, football and otherwise.
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I get your point. But Jones could transfer and never have a game like the Sugar Bowl. His stock may never be higher than right now. Even doing everything you suggested might not make him a better pro prospect. I think Jones would get drafted. And he would likely get a Savage redshirt year, as well. That's a signing bonus + probably 2 years of NFL pay. If I were his adviser, I couldn't tell him to turn that down.
 
Lucky said:
Well, go get one. If you wait until after the combine, they're 50% off at draftniks.com.
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How much room would I need? Would it take up a whole wall of my garage, or can I get player's names on little magnets and run my board on the front of my refrigerator?
 
Runner said:
How much room would I need? Would it take up a whole wall of my garage, or can I get player's names on little magnets and run my board on the front of my refrigerator?
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That's going to depend on how many comp picks the Texans have.

Here's an example (model not included):

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Jones would get drafted based on potential but he's a huge project.

He'd be better off transferring to a FCS school and starting two years or transferring to a smaller FBS school and starting for one.

I really don't think he will beat out JT Barrett next year so he will probably be making a decision in the spring. He's good enough to start somewhere.
 
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...arned-osus-cardale-jones-considering-nfl-jump
His quick rise has been followed by questions as to whether the draft-eligible redshirt sophomore will cut short his stay in Columbus. When asked after the title game whether he will return for another year with the Buckeyes, the affable signal-caller left the door open to capitalizing on his intriguing talents at the next level.

"I'm not going to say 'definitely,'" Jones said. "(The NFL) is something that I'll consider. My most important focus is getting my degree."

Jones attended Fork Union Military Academy for one semester, so he would be the required three years removed from high school to apply for early entry into the 2015 NFL Draft. If he decides to return to OSU, he faces a potentially tough battle at retaining his starting job, despite leading the team to the title, due to the presence of former starter J.T. Barrett and possibly even two-time Big Ten Player of the Year Braxton Miller.

Would Jones accept returning to a backup role?

"Now that's a good question," Jones said. "I don't know."
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I would think this is a decision made with 1 question to the coach - am I the starter next year? If that isn't essentially guaranteed, he should go to the NFL.
 
Sounds like he could challenge Vince Young for the lowest ever Wonderlic score.
 
Mel Kiper just said that Jones could be a 2nd round pick this year or a top five pick next year.

It is hilarious to me that someone would make a projection like that based on three games.

He's obviously talented, but this NFL talk is a huge overreaction. Maybe he does enter the draft but this guy is nowhere near ready. 4th round would have to be his absolute ceiling in this draft.
 
bah007 said:
Mel Kiper just said that Jones could be a 2nd round pick this year or a top five pick next year.

It is hilarious to me that someone would make a projection like that based on three games.

He's obviously talented, but this NFL talk is a huge overreaction. Maybe he does enter the draft but this guy is nowhere near ready. 4th round would have to be his absolute ceiling in this draft.
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You've been one of my favorite posters in the College and Draft forums the past few years, but I'll tell ya, admitting you listened to anything spewed from Kipers face might make me reevaluate things

lol. jk, man
 
HOU-TEX said:
You've been one of my favorite posters in the College and Draft forums the past few years, but I'll tell ya, admitting you listened to anything spewed from Kipers face might make me reevaluate things

lol. jk, man
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Haha forgive me this one transgression.

Trying to watch ESPN and they have this joker on trying to give his evaluation.

Kiper is useful because he does seem to have some pretty reliable contacts in NFL front offices, but anytime he tries to "evaluate" it just makes me shake my head.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
See...jones is the type of mid to late round potential guy I'd rather have drafted vs savage.
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He obviously doesn't have much tape out there, but based on what we've seen so far I would say that his closest comparison in recent drafts would actually be Logan Thomas, who was drafted in the fourth round last year.

So I think you're on point. This is the kind of guy that you use a 4th round pick on and you redshirt him for at least two years. I don't think that's a bad plan at all.
 
bah007 said:
Mel Kiper just said that Jones could be a 2nd round pick this year or a top five pick next year.

It is hilarious to me that someone would make a projection like that based on three games.
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I'm not defending Kiper, but there are 32 GMs out there and at the precise intersection of desperation and insanity you could find the guy who takes Jones that high. If Al Davis were still alive...
 
markn said:
I'm not defending Kiper, but there are 32 GMs out there and at the precise intersection of desperation and insanity you could find the guy who takes Jones that high. If Al Davis were still alive...
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I'm not saying that it's not possible. I just find it to be an extreme kneejerk reaction. In today's NFL climate, if you take a college QB in the 2nd round with only three stars under his belt you are putting your job on the line. Because if that kid doesn't become the franchise QB within 2-3 years you are done.

He does have potential. But there is not enough evidence of that potential on tape for a GM to put his neck out that far, at least in my opinion.
 
bah007 said:
Mel Kiper just said that Jones could be a 2nd round pick this year or a top five pick next year.

It is hilarious to me that someone would make a projection like that based on three games.

He's obviously talented, but this NFL talk is a huge overreaction. Maybe he does enter the draft but this guy is nowhere near ready. 4th round would have to be his absolute ceiling in this draft.
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Thank you! I've been debating a bunch of busters in my office this morning telling them the same thing, but they are convinced he's gonna be a 1st or 2nd rounder and are starting to talk about the Texans drafting him.

ENOUGH! STOP!

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bah007 said:
He obviously doesn't have much tape out there, but based on what we've seen so far I would say that his closest comparison in recent drafts would actually be Logan Thomas, who was drafted in the fourth round last year.

So I think you're on point. This is the kind of guy that you use a 4th round pick on and you redshirt him for at least two years. I don't think that's a bad plan at all.
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Hahaha, I quoted the first thing before reading your 2nd post. I made this same exact comparison, lol. I feel like you, Wolverine, and Texian have some strong Draftnik game so when one of yall says the same stuff I say, I feel kind of vindicated in my stance.

The rest of yall are awesome too, there just wasn't enough room to write everyone's names.
 
bah007 said:
I'm not saying that it's not possible. I just find it to be an extreme kneejerk reaction. In today's NFL climate, if you take a college QB in the 2nd round with only three stars under his belt you are putting your job on the line. Because if that kid doesn't become the franchise QB within 2-3 years you are done.

He does have potential. But there is not enough evidence of that potential on tape for a GM to put his neck out that far, at least in my opinion.
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Totally agree.
 
bah007 said:
I'm not saying that it's not possible. I just find it to be an extreme kneejerk reaction. In today's NFL climate, if you take a college QB in the 2nd round with only three stars under his belt you are putting your job on the line. Because if that kid doesn't become the franchise QB within 2-3 years you are done.

He does have potential. But there is not enough evidence of that potential on tape for a GM to put his neck out that far, at least in my opinion.
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I don't know....

I could see him going in the second round.

Physical ability. Good arm...good showing in these games he played. Teams take chances on guys....I could see some team taking him a round or two before most think he should go.

Especially since he's a qb.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't know....

I could see him going in the second round.

Physical ability. Good arm...good showing in these games he played. Teams take chances on guys....I could see some team taking him a round or two before most think he should go.

Especially since he's a qb.
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Again, not saying it's not possible. But I find it to be very, very unlikely.

If you actually dissect what he's put on film instead of just watching it from a fan's perspective you see that he hasn't really done anything that you would ask a pro QB to do.

He's big, he's put up good stats on a championship team, and he can throw far. That's what you're drafting him on. That's not enough for me to use anything higher than a 4th. He may very well turn into a fantastic pro, but I haven't seen enough to risk my neck on that happening.
 
I don't think you draft this kid in any round and ask him to contribute this year. He needs seasoning on the bench, in the film room, and on the practice field. There's no denying that he faced NFL talent in these last 3 games and he excelled in those games.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
See...jones is the type of mid to late round potential guy I'd rather have drafted vs savage.
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So you've seen enough of Savage to know he wont develop into a QB as good as Jones? All of this after 2 qtrs. of seeing Savage and 3 games of Jones?

I should've taken you to Vegas with me.
 
We didnt come here to play no school!

Not draftable. Dude wont be able to read a NFL caliber defense. But he can ball in college.
 
steelbtexan said:
So you've seen enough of Savage to know he wont develop into a QB as good as Jones? All of this after 2 qtrs. of seeing Savage and 3 games of Jones?
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Even with this limited amount of time, they've probably been seen more than many of the players being graded, ranked, and argued about on the various and sundry draft boards and mock drafts around here. I don't see why people can't discuss them with the same certitude.
 
If I were Jones, I'd declare for the draft. He may go back to OSU and ride the pine where he could be making, worse case, Savage money. If some team is desparate, say Cleveland (we know they aren't exactly happy with JFF) or Tampa, he could go higher.

Suppose he goes back to OSU and Meyer goes with Braxton as his starter. Well that's a year of 4th/5th round money AND a year of learning the NFL way gone to waste.

So if Jones rides the pine behind Braxton Miller and/or J.T. Barrett for a year how the hell would that improve his draft status in the 2016 draft?

Dude should cash in while he has something to cash in on.
 
steelbtexan said:
So you've seen enough of Savage to know he wont develop into a QB as good as Jones? All of this after 2 qtrs. of seeing Savage and 3 games of Jones?.
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I didn't say anything about who'd be what, but simply what type of qb id rather take a late round flyer on.

No need to make things up skippy.
 
what i saw regarding jones:
canon of an arm
incredible agility and speed for a guy his size.
has good pocket awareness
doesnt make dumb decision...i.e when he has to throw it away he does

and i have seen 2/3 of his career so i think i have a pretty good handle on him :kitten:
 
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