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Who's your quarterback - 2015 v2.0

Is it really that hard to believe OB saw no "real" difference between guys like Bortles, Savage, & Mettenberger, and didn't see Bridgewater, Manziel, & Garoppolo as "his" guys?

Right now, I don't see much difference between Bortles, Savage, & Mettenberger. The only real difference is the opportunity they have and right now, I don't know which is in the better situation.

Being able to start early in a young QBs career can be a blessing, can be a curse. Sitting on the bench & learning a system can be as well.

What does this have to do with the quoted post?

Edit: If you're saying is it really that hard for fan base in totality to assume there was no real difference seen between QB's and therefore restrain themselves from speculation:

1. If course it's that hard to believe - it's freakin' impossible. We're talking football fans here.

2. So what you're asking is folks to say "It's okay that the Texans missed on <fill in the blank>, since I'm sure that their draft board didn't have him rated as high as his performance indicates he should have gone? (Keep in mind, my comment related to drafting as a whole, not just how the strategy was executed).
 
Come on DB, you're not giving the conspiracy theorists :tinfoil: much to work with come here...

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yeah, I know. I figure while waiting for my application to be processed by the Sunshine Club, I'd go ahead and watch our head coach's back in the meantime. I'm still working on the rainbows out my butt technique, I but I know such an advance optimist move takes time to develop with practice.

:butterfly:
 
yeah, I know. I figure while waiting for my application to be processed by the Sunshine Club, I'd go ahead and watch our head coach's back in the meantime. I'm still working on the rainbows out my butt technique, I but I know such an advance optimist move takes time to develop with practice.

:butterfly:

first step is go thru your locker and throw out all the soap... :kitten:
 
What does this have to do with the quoted post?

I'm saying maybe they didn't miss.


Edit: If you're saying is it really that hard for fan base in totality to assume there was no real difference seen between QB's and therefore restrain themselves from speculation:

Well, it's the re-writing of history that I'm talking about. Very few said they would have drafted Bortles in the top 5 much less 1-1.

But now that Clowney (who I didn't want to draft) didn't play all year, now we're talking about "missing" on our QB?

& OB said from day one, he didn't see much difference between them.


2. So what you're asking is folks to say "It's okay that the Texans missed on <fill in the blank>, since I'm sure that their draft board didn't have him rated as high as his performance indicates he should have gone? (Keep in mind, my comment related to drafting as a whole, not just how the strategy was executed).

I'm speaking specifically about the QB position.
 
yeah, I know. I figure while waiting for my application to be processed by the Sunshine Club, I'd go ahead and watch our head coach's back in the meantime. I'm still working on the rainbows out my butt technique, I but I know such an advance optimist move takes time to develop with practice.

:butterfly:

yes... Yessss....
come to the Dark Side
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yeah, I know. I figure while waiting for my application to be processed by the Sunshine Club, I'd go ahead and watch our head coach's back in the meantime. I'm still working on the rainbows out my butt technique, I but I know such an advance optimist move takes time to develop with practice.

:butterfly:

I'm with you. I think Mallet will be our #1.
 
There's only one man for the job. He's tanned, he's rested he's HAMMERED.. BILL!

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and Bill has his own comic strip too

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But now that Clowney (who I didn't want to draft) didn't play all year, now we're talking about "missing" on our QB?

& OB said from day one, he didn't see much difference between them.

That was me, and I stand by it, but it wasn't Bortles the Bum. And I said I didn't believe and/or care what BoB said. We don't take politicians words as gospel and never question them, even though they have more working knowledge of the situations at hand, why should it be any different for a coach?

If you have an opinion and a voice, this is the place to speak it. Unlikely any people that matter will read my post, but maybe, just maybe I can change 1 person's mind, and that person change another person's mind...

Also it's a good place to vent and get educated from "more knowledgeable" fans.
 
That was me, and I stand by it, but it wasn't Bortles the Bum. And I said I didn't believe and/or care what BoB said. We don't take politicians words as gospel and never question them, even though they have more working knowledge of the situations at hand, why should it be any different for a coach?

If you have an opinion and a voice, this is the place to speak it. Unlikely any people that matter will read my post, but maybe, just maybe I can change 1 person's mind, and that person change another person's mind...

Also it's a good place to vent and get educated from "more knowledgeable" fans.

Speak your mind friend. I have no problem with people speaking their mind.

I was just asking a question, "Is it really that hard to believe that OB didn't see much of a difference?"

Remember no one was talking about Blake Bortles until Bill O'Brien was hired as the coach of the team with the #1 overall pick, who also happened to need a QB.

Take Bortles out of the equation & the top QBs, before O'Brien was hired, was Bridgewater, Mettenberger, & Murray (I'd throw McCarron in there too). There was some interest in Carr & Thomas as maybe 2nd/3rd rounders, project guys.

Bill O'Brien mentioned Tom Savage & the next thing you know, he's being talked about as a possible selection at 33.

So if we say that Teddy Bridgewater was drafted where he should have been. Where then should Bortles been drafted?

When was the last time a QB with Blake Bortles resume & "talent" been drafted in the top 10? Maybe Alex Smith out of Utah... maybe Leftwhich out of Marshall... It just didn't make sense to me & I'm not going to lose any sleep because we were the one who didn't reach.
 
Who's "we"? Based upon his performance as a rookie, Bridgewater should have been drafted at least a half round earlier.

I think that is what TK is saying. He was expected to go top 3 but didn't because of his gloves, lack of rap music on his pro-day, and probably his weight.

Man I wish we would have taken him and I wouldn't even be thinking about taking Winston right now.
 
Who's "we"? Based upon his performance as a rookie, Bridgewater should have been drafted at least a half round earlier.

There was the "if" statement preceeding we.... still the point is more about Bortles. If Bridgewater was the best QB in this draft, where should Bortles have been drafted?

So far he looks better than Gabbert, but I'm not worried in the slightest that he'll be leading the Jags for the next two or three years.
 
There was the "if" statement preceeding we.... still the point is more about Bortles. If Bridgewater was the best QB in this draft, where should Bortles have been drafted?

So far he looks better than Gabbert, but I'm not worried in the slightest that he'll be leading the Jags for the next two or three years.

We aren't even allowed to consider this question until three years have passed, right? Isn't that the rule here about rookies?
 
We aren't even allowed to consider this question until three years have passed, right? Isn't that the rule here about rookies?

I don't understand why we're even talking about Bortles/Bridewater in here..

They aren't Texans are they? Not gonna become Texans anytime in the near future?
 
I don't understand why we're even talking about Bortles/Bridewater in here..

They aren't Texans are they? Not gonna become Texans anytime in the near future?

I agree. I could not care any less about Bortles or Bridgewater. This is not a would've/could've/should've thread, or at least it shouldn't be.

It is supposed to be about the Texans QB in 2015, looking ahead, and what is realistically in the picture. On the roster, 2015 draft, trade, or free agency are the options.
 
I agree. I could not care any less about Bortles or Bridgewater. This is not a would've/could've/should've thread, or at least it shouldn't be.

It is supposed to be about the Texans QB in 2015, looking ahead, and what is realistically in the picture. On the roster, 2015 draft, trade, or free agency are the options.

If that's all we are doing here then I think the obvious answer is:

1. Mallett
2. Savage
3. Journeyman Cheap Vet backup whom we will sign for $1-2 MM

Now let's close this thread down, because I am pretty sure that is exactly what is going to happen. Everything else being talked about is very likely not happening.
 
If that's all we are doing here then I think the obvious answer is:

1. Mallett
2. Savage
3. Journeyman Cheap Vet backup whom we will sign for $1-2 MM

Now let's close this thread down, because I am pretty sure that is exactly what is going to happen. Everything else being talked about is very likely not happening.

You may be pretty sure but don't mean you're right or wrong. Don't mean everyone else is sure. It's the start of a very long off season. What else we gonna talk about, Rick Smith and Cal McNair and what's really happening behind closed doors?
 
You may be pretty sure but don't mean you're right or wrong. Don't mean everyone else is sure. It's the start of a very long off season. What else we gonna talk about, Rick Smith and Cal McNair and what's really happening behind closed doors?

You had to go there.

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Wait a minute, did we know this...?

...somewhere west of Fort Worth and east of Amarillo, Fitzpatrick decided to take the Big Tex Challenge at the Big Texan Steak Ranch in Amarillo.

"They have all those teaser billboards," Fitzpatrick said. "Free 72 ounce steak! Free 72 ounce steak! We made the decision to stop, and we were going to attack the 72 ounce steak."

According to Fitzpatrick, and the rules on the restaurants website, the meal consists of the steak, shrimp cocktail, a baked potato, salad, and a roll. To get the meal for free, it must be eaten in less than an hour.

Fitzpatrick said he finished the 4.5 pound steak and sides, as well as three glasses of sweet tea with time to spare.

"I did all of that in 48 minutes," Fitzpatrick said. "You gotta do it all in an hour, and you gotta keep it down. I did it, felt great about it, and got right back in the RV and drove about six more hours."
...
With a little digging, Fitzpatrick's claim was verified. He's listed here in the "72oz Hall of Fame". On page 32 of the PDF file, he's recorded as downing the meal 10 seconds shy of the 50-minute mark, on January 17 of 2012.

After his success the first time around, Fitzpatrick tried it again in 2013...
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...oz-steak/ff74be3c-595a-479c-b124-c5a20f65a346

Maybe he should start. :thinking:

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I am thankful that I was able to record the Cleveland game, as I am able to go back and see Mallett in action before the injury got bad. He showed touch on the TD pass to Watt and he showed poise on the play action passes, and he showed that he has a rifle of an arm on some of his passes to AJ/Hopkins. I hope the Texans can find the right price to bring him back. The starting job would be his to lose in my book.
 
I am thankful that I was able to record the Cleveland game, as I am able to go back and see Mallett in action before the injury got bad. He showed touch on the TD pass to Watt and he showed poise on the play action passes, and he showed that he has a rifle of an arm on some of his passes to AJ/Hopkins. I hope the Texans can find the right price to bring him back. The starting job would be his to lose in my book.
I'm all for re-signing Ryan Mallett if that is what Bill O'Brien feels is the best plan. I'd also be okay looking into Brian Hoyer, who Bill O'Brien briefly coached in New England. He probably already knows who's the better long-term answer at quarterback between Mallett and Hoyer moving forward because he's been around both of them before. We need to sign one of those guys obviously. They are two of the most attractive quarterbacks on the free agent market in relation to the type of system we run.

Had Ryan Mallett not gotten hurt last season he likely would have led us to the playoffs. We'd have beaten the Bengals at home or the Colts on the road (maybe both) if he were healthy. All we needed was one more win to make the playoffs. Mind you, he was already playing injured against the Bengals. That is why we looked so offensively inept in that game. It was a winnable game otherwise. Just like the Colts game on the road. It was also a winnable game but our offense looked atrocious. We scored a defensive Touchdown in that 17-10 loss.
 
Not much new, but hey.. it's the offseason.

At the NFL Combine, football analysts weighed in on the big questions surrounding the Texans this offseason. In Part 1 of this series, national media members discussed Houston’s quarterback situation.

How will the Texans address the quarterback situation in the 2015 NFL Draft?

Rich Gannon (Sirius Radio, NFL on CBS): “I wouldn't be surprised (if the Texans did not draft a quarterback.) I think they'll look at every possible alternative whether it's free agency, with what they already have. They're doing something with Ryan Mallett. I think Bill likes Ryan Mallett, it's unfortunate he got hurt last year. He's got a lot of arm talent, we know about that.

“I don't think they'll leave any stone unturned including looking at this draft class very hard. And if he sees another quarterback he likes, maybe in the third or fourth round, maybe he'll pull the trigger again.”

Sam Farmer (L.A. Times): “It's not a deep quarterback draft. Might be a little early for the Texans to be thinking quarterback. Maybe they can get a guy that can develop, like Brett Hundley from UCLA....

HT.com
 
Maybe they can get a guy that can develop, like Brett Hundley from UCLA....

They already have enough guys that they can develop, don't ya think?

Besides, the 2015 draft crop of QBs sucks balls, so why even go there?
 
Combine Exit Poll: Texans QB situation
Rich Gannon (Sirius Radio, NFL on CBS): “I wouldn't be surprised (if the Texans did not draft a quarterback.) I think they'll look at every possible alternative whether it's free agency, with what they already have. They're doing something with Ryan Mallett. I think Bill likes Ryan Mallett, it's unfortunate he got hurt last year. He's got a lot of arm talent, we know about that.

“I don't think they'll leave any stone unturned including looking at this draft class very hard. And if he sees another quarterback he likes, maybe in the third or fourth round, maybe he'll pull the trigger again.”

Albert Breer (NFL Network): “I would expect it would be a lot like last year. Last year they went to the quarterback class, they didn't see a guy that stuck out and the worst thing you can do, worse than waiting a year or two for the right guy to come along is to gamble on the wrong guy because then you're tied to that guy and your job security becomes tied to somebody you're lukewarm about or you don't feel as great as you possibly could about.

“I think they'll continue to be patient and that may mean taking a quarterback later in the draft.”

Greg Cosell (NFL Films): “(Marcus) Mariota and (Jameis) Winston at the top- they're not in play for the Texans. I don't think Coach O'Brien would take either one, but then it comes down to who he may like as a fourth or a fifth-round pick. As I said, that's in the eye of the beholder; what you expect from the quarterback. What you want to see from that player in your system.

“I wouldn't be surprised if they took one late. They also still have Tom Savage, who is a player I liked coming out last year. I knew he needed work, and now he's had a year in the system. They just have young players who are unproven, and at some point in this league you have to play a young player who's unproven.”

Gannon: “I think a guy that has, obviously, arm talent, a guy that has some mobility; I think Bill likes that in the quarterback position. I think the big thing with Bill, he's looking for a guy with a great toughness, great leadership skills, and highly intelligent.

"It's not an easy system. A lot of responsibilities placed in the quarterback in that offense, change in place and protections and those type of things. So to me, that's what you're really looking for. I don't know they're going to find that in this draft class. I don't think it's a great quarterback class, from top to bottom; you can start looking at those intangibles.”

Cosell: "I'd like to see them bring back Ryan Mallett, if he's willing to come back. I was actually very disappointed that he got hurt, because I was really looking forward to seeing him play the last five or six games. I thought he had a chance. I still think he has a chance to be a pretty good player. He obviously knows Coach O'Brien's offense from his time in New England and then being in Houston. I would like to see Ryan Mallett come back and get the first opportunity as a starter."
 
They already have enough guys that they can develop, don't ya think?

Besides, the 2015 draft crop of QBs sucks balls, so why even go there?
Agreed. I would much rather see those late round picks spent on players that could make Special Teams special in a way not related to the Jerry's Kids "special" we're so used to seeing.
 
Combine Exit Poll: Texans QB situation
Cosell: "I'd like to see them bring back Ryan Mallett, if he's willing to come back. I was actually very disappointed that he got hurt, because I was really looking forward to seeing him play the last five or six games. I thought he had a chance. I still think he has a chance to be a pretty good player. He obviously knows Coach O'Brien's offense from his time in New England and then being in Houston. I would like to see Ryan Mallett come back and get the first opportunity as a starter."

YOU were disappointed!?!
I guess that makes us flat out pissed
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I was disappointed Mallett wasn't in the lineup sooner. I think that was the one, clear mistake O'Brien made in 2014.

A lot of us felt the same way. I understand we were winning & it's hard to change things up, especially at the QB position, when you're winning. We were so close to winning some good games against some good teams (Dallas, Indy, Pittsburgh) with Fitzpatrick, that I can kinda see why OB was reluctant...

Or maybe he wanted Mallett to see those games from the sideline to make sure they were seeing the same thing... who knows?


Still, now it's just like last offseason. I can't think of a good reason why Mallett isn't signed to an extension yet, if OB thinks he is the guy we hope he thinks he is. The longer this goes, the more I feel OB thinks he's better than JAG, but not much more.

If we get to March 7, I'd just as soon forget about him & start hoping that OB sees something in Savage.
 
Still, now it's just like last offseason. I can't think of a good reason why Mallett isn't signed to an extension yet, if OB thinks he is the guy we hope he thinks he is. The longer this goes, the more I feel OB thinks he's better than JAG, but not much more.

This isn't a reason so much as an observation, but look around the league. Almost nothing has been done and pretty much all the reports are teams start talking at or after the combine. I wouldn't read anything into the timing since it seems to be pretty much universal. OTOH OB and Smith went about as all in on their comments about Mallett as they could without saying "we will sign him at any cost." They're working on it, it'll happen.
 
This isn't a reason so much as an observation, but look around the league. Almost nothing has been done and pretty much all the reports are teams start talking at or after the combine. I wouldn't read anything into the timing since it seems to be pretty much universal. OTOH OB and Smith went about as all in on their comments about Mallett as they could without saying "we will sign him at any cost." They're working on it, it'll happen.

In the eyes of most organizations, the combine is the unofficial start for the new year...that's when preliminary negotiations start. I am not worried that a deal is not in place yet.
 
Still, now it's just like last offseason. I can't think of a good reason why Mallett isn't signed to an extension yet, if OB thinks he is the guy we hope he thinks he is. The longer this goes, the more I feel OB thinks he's better than JAG, but not much more. If we get to March 7, I'd just as soon forget about him & start hoping that OB sees something in Savage.
Negotiations began during the Combine...

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2457337#post2457337
 
I was disappointed Mallett wasn't in the lineup sooner. I think that was the one, clear mistake O'Brien made in 2014.

It was probably an error. An alternative is that O'Brien's familiarity with Mallett led him to have some reservations about his ability to be better than Fitzpatrick.
 
This isn't a reason so much as an observation, but look around the league. Almost nothing has been done and pretty much all the reports are teams start talking at or after the combine. I wouldn't read anything into the timing since it seems to be pretty much universal. OTOH OB and Smith went about as all in on their comments about Mallett as they could without saying "we will sign him at any cost." They're working on it, it'll happen.

True.
 
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