I agree
Fitz money could be spent better elsewhere. Hopefully they can trade him for a late rd pick to a team that needs a backup QB.
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Who's your quarterback - 2015 v2.0
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I agree
Fitz money could be spent better elsewhere. Hopefully they can trade him for a late rd pick to a team that needs a backup QB.
What rookie is that?
And Fitz has that thing called contract. He's not gone because of what you and I want
They can just cut him as only $625k of his salary for next season is guaranteed.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/ryan-fitzpatrick/
Scooter
Funky
1st round or 7th round, just throwing the possibility out there because we are in a state of flux.
as far as i understand it (which isnt far), we owe little or nothing guaranteed to fitz for 2015 but it would cost us $3.5+ to keep him. releasing fitz would pay for keenum, savage and at least a second round pick at the position - with money left over.
keenum is (RFA?) and will be tendered the lowest if at all. he's shown he can play here, and will play here for peanuts. and believe you me, andre johnson is politicking to keep keenum in the conversation. that might not mean much to o'brien, but mcnair seems to be quite the homer.
I would rather trade him to a QB needy team.
If not then I'm all aboard the cut Fitz tomorrow train.
Considering they can wait till he's cut if he isn't in the Texans plans , I doubt any team would give up a thing for him.
If he's in the Texans plans they aren't going to be listening to offers for him.
It was a miracle to get anything for Schaub but there is a difference between the two - at one point Schaub was a quality starting QB , Fitz has always been a backup / subpar starter. Teams may take a chance on one , not the other.
Scooter
Funky
what's crazy is that we might have put enough talent around him that someone may trade an end of draft pick for fitz to be their backup. unlikely, but within the realm of possibility.
Scooter
Funky
what's his crap from the jags got traded for a pick, i wouldn't put it past anyone to want a backup who can at least manage a game.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Despite what you & I think of Fitz, BOB obviously likes him. He brought him in during the offseason, he named him the starter going into training camp, he had him as the starter much longer than most fans wanted, and he remained the starter after Mallet was injured. So why is Fitz still being mentioned? Because for some reason, our coach thinks highly of him. IMO, I think it is safe to assume he will still be on this team next season.
No to mention, Mallet & Savage are still unknowns, and Keenum is a long-shot to make this team. What does this all equate to? Fitz still being on this team next season. I truly believe, that BOB believes, we can be a playoff team w/ Fitz.
Scooter
Funky
o'brien i believe brought fitz in as his stamp. drop the previous regime's guys, get my veteran installed and go from there. like him or not, it's bad football and bad management to keep fitz. fitz, by any rational argument, brings nothing to the table that is required or desired ... and will bring that nothing at 3x the cost of everyone else.
if o'brien were to support such a decision it would make him nothing more than stubborn and short sighted. we beat 2 teams with a winning record. the bills and the ravens ... one of which just made it to the divisional round. in the other our offense put up 17 points (1 touchdown).
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
~sarcasm thingy~
There's s team more QB needy than the Texans?
speedfreek
All Pro
I'm definitely on the cut Fitzpatrick train. He's too pricey,
isn't an upgrade of any note over Keenum, and we already have
a camp arm in Thad Lewis.
Mallet _clearly_ looks to be the predestined starter next year anyway..
(and I doubt that, with our draft spot, we get a guy more ready
to play in our specific system than "The Texas Hammer")
isn't an upgrade of any note over Keenum, and we already have
a camp arm in Thad Lewis.
Mallet _clearly_ looks to be the predestined starter next year anyway..
(and I doubt that, with our draft spot, we get a guy more ready
to play in our specific system than "The Texas Hammer")
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Fitz is an ideal backup QB. No way I would cut him... Comparing Keenum to Fitz is absurd.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
He's not ideal because he's expensive.
My feelings as of right now (early January):
If a really good QB drops to the Texans in the draft I would not be opposed to the idea of snatching him up. I don't know who that would be right now though lol.
Try to bring back Mallett through a reasonable deal. If possible do the same for Fitz, Keenum and Savage.
Let them battle it out in TC and preseason for the starter job, but going in, it will be Mallett's battle to lose, as he will get the early nod. The other 2-3 battle it out for the backup position. If a QB was drafted in rounds 1-2, he gets 3rd string by default, so the remaining guys will be battling for the backup position. The losers are cut before week 1.
Subject to change, of course. I really would like to see Mallett pan out!
If a really good QB drops to the Texans in the draft I would not be opposed to the idea of snatching him up. I don't know who that would be right now though lol.
Try to bring back Mallett through a reasonable deal. If possible do the same for Fitz, Keenum and Savage.
Let them battle it out in TC and preseason for the starter job, but going in, it will be Mallett's battle to lose, as he will get the early nod. The other 2-3 battle it out for the backup position. If a QB was drafted in rounds 1-2, he gets 3rd string by default, so the remaining guys will be battling for the backup position. The losers are cut before week 1.
Subject to change, of course. I really would like to see Mallett pan out!
TexansFTW
Veteran
Why weren't you defending me earlier, lol.
QBs with upside don't get these penny stock contracts like most are believing / hoping for.
Unwise and the Texans front office go hand in hand. Salary cap space will very much dictate what it is we are able to do though, and we won't have any / much after all is said and done with free agent resignings.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Certainly not Matt Stafford... It's not that he can't win. It's that he can't catch a break (i.e. the PI flag that was inexplicably and inexcusably picked upped).
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Which raised a good question:
Is Matthew Stafford a franchise QB?
Or is he that "almost" QB who's good enough to keep hope alive but won't deliver? The one that you wished got away.
He has value if you're expecting to go on a deep play off run next season. If something were to happen to Mallett, Fitz can step right in (well, when he gets to stepp'n again that is).
& while I would like to win & go on a deep play off run, I'd much rather do it while answering the QB question.
Mallett should start. Hopefully he's the answer for us in the near future. Savage should be #2 on our depth chart, or whoever we get in the draft.
If we can't sign Mallett, I have no problem going with Fitz, try to win a few games & put a manageable bar ahead of our young QBs.
If not Fitz, then Case. I really don't care. But Case is cheaper.
I like Hundley as a prospect. He has good size , a strong enough arm , good mobility , is relatively accurate and takes snaps from under center. He has no real physical limitations , his success would come down to what's between the ears.
I think he's close to Mariota as a prospect who may or may not be a product of the system. It's really hard to evaluate those spread QB's and figure out how they translate to the NFL game. It's not often Mariota has to thread the needle with his throws , those receivers are usually wide open because that system is damn near impossible to defend.
You'd likely have to move in front of the Jets to get him in the second round unless they take one in the first.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I thought you told me when he was signed he was not expensive?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I said when he was signed that he was getting a deal similar to Henne and Cassel to be overpaid backups playing starter while young QBs were brought along. As a pure backup he is overpaid dramatically. And that's why his deal was structured to make him painless to cut after the 1st year.
Norg
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He might be good but IMO hes not a o brein type of QB
I think he likes QB's like savage but savage X's 50
Do you take the best player at the position or do you pigeonhole yourself into taking an inferior player who fits your description ?!
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Unfortunately for the Texans the following teams who draft in front of us also need a QB:
Tampa
Tennessee
Washington
NYJ
St Louis
Cleveland
Walter Football has only 5 QB's rated in rounds 1-2, Winston, Mariota, Prescott, Grayson, and Hundley.
The Texans are in a tough spot. Do we sign Mallett and hope he is what he was in Cleveland? Do we make a push for Mark Sanchez in FA? How about a trade? What would the Texans be willing to give up for a Kaepernick or an RGIII? Nick Foles might also be available for a trade.
If those options don't excite you how about a trade with the Raiders to move in front of Washington? It will cost us. Move up 12 spots in the first round to #4 overall. Then the question is who would be worth the #4 overall pick?
I will tell you who I don't want as my starting QB in 2015, that's Fitzpatrick and Savage. Say what you want to about developing a QB but when Savage was called on he was unprepared and crumbled under pressure.
Tampa
Tennessee
Washington
NYJ
St Louis
Cleveland
Walter Football has only 5 QB's rated in rounds 1-2, Winston, Mariota, Prescott, Grayson, and Hundley.
The Texans are in a tough spot. Do we sign Mallett and hope he is what he was in Cleveland? Do we make a push for Mark Sanchez in FA? How about a trade? What would the Texans be willing to give up for a Kaepernick or an RGIII? Nick Foles might also be available for a trade.
If those options don't excite you how about a trade with the Raiders to move in front of Washington? It will cost us. Move up 12 spots in the first round to #4 overall. Then the question is who would be worth the #4 overall pick?
I will tell you who I don't want as my starting QB in 2015, that's Fitzpatrick and Savage. Say what you want to about developing a QB but when Savage was called on he was unprepared and crumbled under pressure.
Yet if it weren't for a phantom holding call. A play where a dirty hit hurt his knee the Texans could've won in Indy for the 1st time ever. They were in the game at the 2 min warning with a rookie QB getting his 1st playing time.
Norg
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I think we need to go WR is andre leaves
Tackle if Newton leaves
maybe the best center if Myers leaves
if we want or all 3 stay then I wouldn't mind getting a QB even if it is a reach to were hes really graded has a 2nd round pick
such as? And don't you think we would be better served on someone ready to start or contribute quite a bit barring injury (like Clowney)? An ILB or FS maybe? Certainly WR if the right guy is there. But QB?
I've come to the conclusion if you draft a QB (which I don't think will happen anyway unless Mariotta, Hundley or Petty really drop) that you are sending a message that you have no confidence in the current group. If they resign Mallett before the draft we'll know. If they don't we'll know. Either way we'll know their thinking.
Give me Parker, Prewitt or Perryman in the first.
Yeah wanting the P...
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I agree with this. Not sure why people want to hang on to Keenum. He looked better than 2013 in these last two starts, but that's not saying much. He didn't do anything that would make me keep him over Fitz. And the fact that he is cheaper means nothing. You get what you pay for.
You get what you pay for. Keenum is garbage.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
You forgot, "and NOTHING will change my mind. It's made up."
TEXANRED
Texan-American
True but that was only because of the defense scored a TD and and played lights out. We have a defense, or had a defense, Rick Smith will spend the offseason letting all of our players go else where because of his inability to manage the cap.
We need a QB and that QB is not signed for 2015.
The more I think about it the more signing Mallett is our best bet. O'Brien does not strike me as the type of guy that would start a rookie QB. So yes, we should draft one, IMO it should be in the later rounds and have him sit for a season or two. We have big holes in at the OL/WR/ILB that need filled.
We just need a QB that is better than Fitzpatrick.
I cant agree with this .... If we were looking for a backup at the position , I'd say take one late but when you don't have a starter (who knows if Mallett is that guy or not) you have to start with the best prospect you possibly can.
We have no shot at one of the top two and they are all that should go in round one.
We do have a shot at the second tier ... who aren't far behind the top two if at all.
I'd be looking to take one in the second round.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
The problem I see waiting for second tier is we still have 4 QB hungry teams sitting in front of us. Either they over reach in the 1st round or if they don't, we over reach in the 1st round. However if they wait for the second and we wait for the second the problem remains that those same 4 teams draft ahead of us.
But who the hell knows, it's all a crap shoot.
speedfreek
All Pro
Yep, it is absurd. StinkyPete(tm) has been in the league for 10
years and our current system for an entire season.
Keenum has had exactly 10 starts, and before the Jags game had
worked with the starters for less than 2 weeks.
_YET_ Keenum had a better game against the same team and did not
have Foster to help him out..
So I agree with you, it is absurd. 3 million for a guy that has absolutely
no chance of being anything better than a .500 QB is a tremendous
waste of resources.
Gary had Case playing safety with the scout team a week before his
first start last year. When you have a guy willing to do stuff like that
for the bare minimum cost, you keep him.
Let some other team spend bank on Stinky.. I've kicked the tires on
him and decided to go with a newer, more cost effective, model..
speedfreek
All Pro
Wow, then I guess we're going to run zone read, because Hundley
is a big-time runner.
He had some major inaccuracy issues in the bowl game this year.
I can remember one shot he skipped about 10 feet short of the
receiver when he threw back to the opposite sideline.
Not sure if he would be an upgrade over "The Texas Hammer"
BullNation4Life
All Pro
I think the Texans stick with Mallet next year in order to fill holes this year. He might be the guy or just another hole but Mallet will fill the QB hole for at least one more year while they address other areas...
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Well, he could have changed my mind if he had done anything. The only thing he did in my mind is stop taking 20 yard sacks and get rid of the ball when there was nothing there. Other than that you would have to point out to me anything special he did, aside from playing for UofH. I am not Fitzpatrick fan, but he is far and away a better backup than Keenum.
$3.7M of garbage is still garbage.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Yeah I am sure it had nothing to do with the last game of the season for a team that had nothing to play for, and the fact that Foster had 5 carries for 23 yards right? Keenum had to throw it because he had no running game. Keenum also played with these guys last year for 8 games, so it's not like he does not know them.
Keenum was playing for a chance to play for the Texans next season or another team so he had every motivation to play better than he normally does, the Jags didn't. Nothing special to write home about in that game on Keenum's part.
Good thing all that matter is what O'Brien thinks and not you and your tire kicking. Keenum is a newer model, but he is a lemon. Let's not forget, he is still 2-10. I'd say that is significantly less than .500.
Kgbmedic
M1 Tanker
I got a good feeling about Mallet and hope he pans out. He seemed to have a good solid working knowledge and command of the team. Even when he was throwing the ball all over the place in the second game. We have an idea of why that happened.
Even though I have a strong inclination that he will be the one to run our offense in the future. I hope that they don't put all our eggs in the Mallet basket until we see more from him.
Even though I have a strong inclination that he will be the one to run our offense in the future. I hope that they don't put all our eggs in the Mallet basket until we see more from him.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
In your opinion. All that matters is O'Briens opinion. And listening to him, I would say he has a different opinion than yours regarding Fitzy. If Fitz is garbage, then Keenum is burning garbage.
TexansFTW
Veteran
This is all just my opinion, but I don't think anyone can honestly argue Case is better than Fitztragic or even has more upside. Case is what he is. He's a journeyman that is not fit to be an NFL QB (for a franchise going places). With that said Fitztragic is what he is, a journeyman that is not fit to be a starting NFL QB (same regards as Case).
Fitz is better, but what's the point of having him around? To go 8-8, barely miss out on the playoffs, and get a mediocre draft pick? Fitz is good enough to save a coaches job, but not good enough to save a franchise. Save the money and move on, but we saw Case for 8 games last year and to believe that 8 game 0-8 tryout meant nothing is foolish also. He showed me nothing different in these 2 wins than he did the 8 losses except that RaC had our defense looking pretty badass.
As for the QBs in this crop, they are all bad if Cook doesn't declare, and after watching his bowl game I am starting to like him less and less. Do NOT waste a pick on Hundley, that guy will only set our franchise back for 4 years. We need to just keep our QBs on roster currently, pray we can get a team favorable deal on Mallett WHEN we resign him and spend 2015 doing two things:
A) Seeing that Mallett is the truth and can take us where we need to go
B) Seeing Mallett is just a pipe dream and rolling out Savage and whoever else to fail so we can close the book on their chapters and spend that high draft pick on a QB in 2016.
Please don't waste any more draft picks on "project" QBs or guys that can't climb a pocket, read a defense, go through progressions, or play QB at the NFL level.
Fitz is better, but what's the point of having him around? To go 8-8, barely miss out on the playoffs, and get a mediocre draft pick? Fitz is good enough to save a coaches job, but not good enough to save a franchise. Save the money and move on, but we saw Case for 8 games last year and to believe that 8 game 0-8 tryout meant nothing is foolish also. He showed me nothing different in these 2 wins than he did the 8 losses except that RaC had our defense looking pretty badass.
As for the QBs in this crop, they are all bad if Cook doesn't declare, and after watching his bowl game I am starting to like him less and less. Do NOT waste a pick on Hundley, that guy will only set our franchise back for 4 years. We need to just keep our QBs on roster currently, pray we can get a team favorable deal on Mallett WHEN we resign him and spend 2015 doing two things:
A) Seeing that Mallett is the truth and can take us where we need to go
B) Seeing Mallett is just a pipe dream and rolling out Savage and whoever else to fail so we can close the book on their chapters and spend that high draft pick on a QB in 2016.
Please don't waste any more draft picks on "project" QBs or guys that can't climb a pocket, read a defense, go through progressions, or play QB at the NFL level.
Speaking of which, do you think Derek Carr showed promise in 2014 even though he didn't get a single win in his first 8 starts?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'm no Keenum fan. The only reason to consider keeping him on the team next year is familiarity and price. But this 0-8 thing is dumb. Put this year's D in those games last year and he gets 4-5 wins. It's a team game.
throw in this year's Arian Foster & he's 8 for 8. We'd have gotten into the Play-offs at 10-6, beat the Bengals, & give the Patriots a run for their..
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Norg
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such as? And don't you think we would be better served on someone ready to start or contribute quite a bit barring injury (like Clowney)? An ILB or FS maybe? Certainly WR if the right guy is there. But QB?
I've come to the conclusion if you draft a QB (which I don't think will happen anyway unless Mariotta, Hundley or Petty really drop) that you are sending a message that you have no confidence in the current group. If they resign Mallett before the draft we'll know. If they don't we'll know. Either way we'll know their thinking.
Give me Parker, Prewitt or Perryman in the first.
Yeah wanting the P...
I hope im wrong but the vets like
Brown
Andre
Myers
Fitz/Keenum
Garrett
foster
will all be gone for us to really make a SB push that's the old regime players
I think we over achived this year im think we are lookin at another 9-7 8-8 I hope not but yeah
my point is we will see more overturn