Who's your quarterback - 2015 v2.0

[infantrycak]

curious as to who to count on being here next year?

Well the statement just doesn't make sense to me. Two are under contract - Fitz and Savage. Keenum is ERFA so he is their's if they want him. So I guess Tolar's was saying Mclaim said they are unlikely to re-sign Mallett in which case did pancakes say the Texans weren't interested or Mallett would prefer somewhere else?

 

[JB]

Well the statement just doesn't make sense to me. Two are under contract - Fitz and Savage. Keenum is ERFA so he is their's if they want him. So I guess Tolar's was saying Mclaim said they are unlikely to re-sign Mallett in which case did pancakes say the Texans weren't interested or Mallett would prefer somewhere else?

Yeah I know what you meant and I agree. Just playing on pancakes known veracity

 

[infantrycak]

Yeah I know what you meant and I agree. Just playing on pancakes known veracity

Actually my main point was did anyone else hear this?

 

[dream_team]

It was strange to hear McClain say that they're unlikely to re-sign him. Given his low cost, it seems like a no-brainer.

Well if you think about it, BOB already chose Fitz, Mallet, & Savage over Keenum once. If we re-sign Mallet, most likely Keenum would be the odd man out again.

Also, when Mallet went on IR, BOB opted to bring in Thad instead of Case. Not a good sign that BOB has a strong desire to have Case on this team.

Case played admirable, considering the circumstances, but the only way I see Case on this roster next season is if we cut Fitz and don't draft a QB.

 

[thunderkyss]

You mean they would ask him to rush the passer more with better results?

That's not his primary job

I'd hate to think the only time he's ever got a sack was when they asked him to. Or a tackle for a loss, or a pass defensed. I thought he had two good games all year. I think we should expect more.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Blind faith causes you to waste the best years of your talent on the field and close your fleeting super bowl windows blindly following guys like Kubiak or Mike Smith (Kubes 2).

That's just complete and utter BS.

Why?

Because whether we have blind faith or not doesn't make any difference. WE aren't in a position to make a decision. We have 0 power to influence anything.

I could be totally and completely aware that the coaching staff is making the wrong decision; I could know more than our coaching staff knows about our players... but that wouldn't stop them from wasting the best years of players careers or keeping guys like Kubiak or Mike Smith while a Super Bowl window closes.

Someone bitching about how bad this position is or how bad that position is accomplishes exactly nothing.

Now, if you think the guys we have running things are blithering idiots or not, fine. If you think you know what's going on behind the scenes, fine.

But don't think for a moment that anything you or I or anyone on this board things actually matters to anyone but ourselves.

Now... I think OB wanted Mallett from the start and I think Mallett heard about this (which lead him to make his "Free at last" tweet right after OB got hired.) But I think Mallett got caught in a friendly game of one upsmanship between Belichik and O'Brien and Belichik held onto him hoping to drive up his price. Ultimately, O'Brien didn't blink and we got Mallett for a song... but we didn't get him soon enough to unseat Fitzpatrick.

I think O'Brien went into the season thinking he could have a winning, semi-successful with Fitzy. He stuck with Fitzpatrick even after acquiring Mallett because he'd made Fitzpatrick a promise. He wanted to keep his word in order to maintain his reputation among the players.

And he was kinda right, he basically did have a semi-successful season with Fitzpatrick and Fitzpatrick played some of his best football as a starter for us.

But that's just want I think. It might be true and it might not.

What is true is that we were in the playoff hunt right up until the last quarter of the last game. That was a pretty good job of coaching. So I'm going to trust OB to make whatever decision he's going to make.

But even if I thought he was a complete idiot, my thinking that wouldn't keep McNair from sticking with the wrong coach for too long or keep anyone on the Texan's staff from making whatever mistakes they're going to make.

 

[JB]

I'd hate to think the only time he's ever got a sack was when they asked him to. Or a tackle for a loss, or a pass defensed. I thought he had two good games all year. I think we should expect more.

And I'm saying that those who matter thought he had more than just 2 good games... I know I'm not going to change how you think, but don't expect those that know to think like you do.

You'd be a millionaire with a job associated with the NFL otherwise

 

[ObsiWan]

Well the statement just doesn't make sense to me. Two are under contract - Fitz and Savage. Keenum is ERFA so he is their's if they want him. So I guess Tolar's was saying Mclaim said they are unlikely to re-sign Mallett in which case did pancakes say the Texans weren't interested or Mallett would prefer somewhere else?

No. I heard the 610 spot with McClain myself.

McClain said it's unlikely Keenum will re-sign here given that O'Brien wants Mallett and Mallett wants to stay here so a deal will be struck. And if so, then he's likely your #1 QB; at least going into T/C he will be. Fitzpatrick is still under contract and so is Savage so there's your #2 and #3. Maaaaybe they'll bring someone else in to push Savage (either to a higher level of play or out the door).

So if Keenum did stay here, what's he fighting for? ...to be the backup? McClain said that doesn't really make sense, why wouldn't Keenum go someplace where he can compete for at least a solid #2 job if not a #1?

 

[Tolar's Ghost]

...So I guess Tolar's was saying Mclaim said they are unlikely to re-sign Mallett in which case did pancakes say the Texans weren't interested or Mallett would prefer somewhere else?

McClain was on the 610 midday show Tuesday and talked about the QB situation at some length. He:

- Doesn't expect the Texans to offer Keenum a contract. And if they do, like ObsiWan said above, Keenum and his agent might feel they can do better elsewhere.

- Thinks they'll draft a QB high, possibly in the first round.

- Will bring back the other three QBs, with Mallett likely to be the starter.

- Thinks Fitzpatrick could end up being trade bait.

 

[Marshall]

Good analysis. I guess I am just a bitter, blue in the face, little troll. I guess I should just eat all the crap on the plate I am fed and not question it, then maybe I can become a "true fan" like you.



Awesome, will you serve it to me?



Change, in all facets of life, rarely happens when everyone quietly eats the the crap on the plate they are fed. It generally requires people standing up and calling for it. Otherwise you have Schaub and Kubiak for 7 years. I don't even want change though, I just don't want to marry into a long term relationship with Mallett. I don't think that's too much to ask. That 3 year / $12 MM contract that everyone suggested would be pretty cool if it existed though, but I don't believe it's anything more than a pipe dream.



I guess when Hoyer was taken from the Patriots by former Patriots personnel to the Browns that had nothing to do with comfort and a working relationship either. At least the Browns found their franchise QB in Hoyer though. He looked good out there in those last 5 must win games of the season.

This is life. You individually, are not important to the human powers that be. Any thought otherwise is either arrogance or gullibility. You and a small group are initially pests to be squashed without thought. You and a larger group are threats and you and a sufficiently large group are rebels to be defeated.

The only thing you are doing is crying like a baby about the only ones who might change your conditions because THEY have the same needs that you have. Peace and quiet.

 

[TexansFTW]

What is the title of this thread then? Who's YOUR QB - 2015.

That, to me, implies, who do I want, or not want to be my team's QB in 2015. I'm pretty sure I prefaced my post with something like "this is what I WANT, or this is MY OPINION".

I didn't understand the thread implied who I EXPECTED to be the QB in 2015 and be happy and blindly follow that decision in silence even if I don't agree.

If we aren't here to talk about other scenarios what are we doing here? Circle jerking BoB and Ryan Mallett? I didn't know that's what this has become. Sorry if MY OPINION doesn't fall in line with the consensus. My last name is Sheppard, I will never be a sheep, if you hate me then block me, I will lose zero sleep.

I called Ryan Mallett a loser and have been told how pitiful and sad I am. If none of you are Ryan Mallett's father or brother you should probably relax. Keep attacking me though, pump yourselves up, and internet high 5 each other, but don't go complaining in a Ryan Mallett needs to go thread 2 years later and condemning those who back him.

 

[TexansFTW]

I don't believe the Houston Texans won 9 games because of their QB play. I don't believe they won 9 games due to their offense. I don't believe they won 9 games because of the "QB Whisperer" or whatever he has become BoB.

I believe RC's defense and the ability to generate so many short fields and turnovers against poor NFL teams by the defense played the biggest factor into our 9 win season. I also believe JJ Watt playing out of his mind was a huge contributing factor. Go look at his PFF rating, it's like a +109.0 or something like that. I've never seen a ranking that high, it's unreal. And finally I believe that BoB not settling for game tying 64 yard field goals with 2 time outs and 3 minutes on the clock on 3rd down, helped this team as well (that's an exaggeration of how I felt about the Kubiak regime for those that will pick this post apart).

I feel like Case Keenum, Ryan Mallett, Ryan Fitzpatrick, or some journeyman like Matt Hasselbeck could have got us to a 9 win season. But at the end of the day, for the most part we just beat up on bad teams, and we had a lot of them on our schedule. Our only quality win of the season (IMO) was the Ravens game at the end where our RB throwing the football on a trick play was responsible for our only TD. This team, even if we snuck into the playoffs wasn't making any noise despite all the Mighty Ducks and Rudy chants we want to believe so what's the big deal with rolling out a plethora of QBs on 6 game try outs to hope we find something?

If we pay Ryan Mallett "upside starting QB FA money" I believe the search ends and dies with him. He's our guy, and we continue to be the 7 to 9 win team praying that JJ Watt continues to get an (IMO unreplicatable) +108.0 PFF rating and we probably won't be able to advance our search for 2 more years, at which time, the only key member of this dominant defense I can be sure of still being here is JJ Watt.

Let Mallett go unless he takes a 3 year / $12 MM where we can cut him in year 2 (he won't), Let Fitzpatrick go (no real dead money hit and we know what he is), collect 3 untested QBs that include Savage and give them 6 and 4 game tryouts in the 2015 season. During the 2015 draft begin replacing key figures such as Andre Johnson, Derek Newton, and Jonathan Joseph then hope you find a QB that can play football with those guys that you give extended tryouts too. All just my opinion obviously and it likely won't happen, but it's what I'd want.

I can't tell if you're serious. There were no Patriot people in Cleveland. Hoyer bounced around the league a little before ending up in Cleveland. The only reason they were excited about him was that Cleveland is his home town. He's pretty much their Case Keenum.

Nah, Mike Lombardi was an adviser and worked closely with the Patriots over the years. He was the single reason Hoyer was brought to Cleveland.

He talked about his working relationship with Hoyer frequently during his stint on the NFL Network and kept saying if he was a GM he would immediately get Hoyer from whatever team he was on because of their work in New England... and he did.

 

[Vinnie]

FWIW, TexansFTW was the one that called Mallett a loser early in the thread for those that were asking.

Mallett flashed enough promise that I would be willing to take a gamble on him as starting QB. Letting Mallett and Fitz go and going into next year with three unknowns with very limited to no NFL experience is asinine. You don't follow up a nine win season with an experiment. You build on it. One of these QB's has to be a building block. I think Mallett's the guy. Second and third string QB's, experiment all you like.

 

[TexansFTW]

FWIW, TexansFTW was the one that called Mallett a loser early in the thread for those that were asking.

Mallett flashed enough promise that I would be willing to take a gamble on him as starting QB. Letting Mallett and Fitz go and going into next year with three unknowns with very limited to no NFL experience is asinine. You don't follow up a nine win season with an experiment. You build on it. One of these QB's has to be a building block. I think Mallett's the guy. Second and third string QB's, experiment all you like.

When do you experiment with them if you've already made Mallett or Fitzpatrick your guy? Tom Brady doesn't see the field if Bledsoe doesn't go down and maybe gets away from the Patriots. Practice is just not the same as the actual game and some guys are made on Sundays, that's just the way it is.

We were a 9 win team last year, with glaring weaknesses at the QB position. It doesn't improve without fixing the problem. This is our peak IMO. How do you build upon this 9 win team to make them a 12 win contending team? You ask JJ Watt to do even more unhuman things? You ask Fitz or Mallett to become what they are not? You tell Andre and JJoseph to get younger and Arian to still have 3 more good years in him? I don't see the solution. I guess we can get a better RT in the draft and get depth at LB and a better RDE, but in my opinion, I don't think that's enough to make us a contender.

I only want my franchise building 2 teams, a team that is going to be playing for a championship or a team that is building and finding the pieces to win the championship. In the latter you generally have a couple of 2-14 or 4-12 seasons which are rewarded with high draft picks. The latter doesn't make a long term commitment to guys that are "just the best we have available to us" and they commit to them.

Those teams are teams that have Derek Newton as the right tackle for 10 years or Jared Crick as the RDE for 10 years. Those teams keep around inferior QBs without finding the right QB to get them where they need to go. I want to exhaust all resources finding the pieces to be a 12-4 Super Bowl Contender and not becoming a 4-12 team that is capable of winning 8 games, which is what I currently see for the Houston Texans.

IMO, We are far closer to the Pretender side than we are Contender and once we lose more and more parts of this team (Dre, JJoseph, Foster) we are gonna be staring at 2-14 again with or without JJ Watt's +109.0 PFF rating.

 

[ChampionTexan]

McClain was on the 610 midday show Tuesday and talked about the QB situation at some length. He:

- Doesn't expect the Texans to offer Keenum a contract. And if they do, like ObsiWan said above, Keenum and his agent might feel they can do better elsewhere.

- Thinks they'll draft a QB high, possibly in the first round.

- Will bring back the other three QBs, with Mallett likely to be the starter.

- Thinks Fitzpatrick could end up being trade bait.

If the Texans offer Case a contract, as an exclusive rights free agent, his only other option would be to sit out the season. I agree that they very likely will not offer him a contract, but if they do, his choices are limited to sign it, or not play.

 

[Runner]

If the Texans offer Case a contract, as an exclusive rights free agent, his only other option would be to sit out the season. I agree that they very likely will not offer him a contract, but if they do, his choices are limited to sign it, or not play.

I doubt the Texans would play hardball with Keenum. If he told them he wants to pursue other opportunities, I don't know why they would offer him a contract just to sit the bench behind Mallett and/or whoever else.

 

[Number19]

I can't see them not signing Keenum. You're going to go into the season with three QB's, but you're going into TC with four as insurance against injury. Even if you have it in the back of your mind that the three you'd like to have, to start the season, are Mallet, Fitz and Savage, Case has the experience in your offense to be that number four. The franchise has to extend a contract to Case by March 10, which is before the draft. so again you have reason to extend. If you then end up drafting a QB, you release Case.

Only if OB knows, without a doubt, by March 10, that he is going to select a QB in the draft will there be reason not to sign Case. So, signing, or not signing, Case by March 10 will be our first indication of the direction that OB may be taking on the QB situation.

Now, the one thing that I don't know is how this would all work out for the salary cap - say you sign Case before March and then release him a few months later.

 

[ChampionTexan]

I doubt the Texans would play hardball with Keenum. If he told them he wants to pursue other opportunities, I don't know why they would offer him a contract just to sit the bench behind Mallett and/or whoever else.

Well, somebody's got to sit the bench behind Mallett and/or whoever, and Case would be cost effective option to do that. I just don't think they want him around next season (and FWIW, I agree with that viewpoint), so it's very likely moot.

 

[TexansFTW]

I think Case has earned a look as a backup in the NFL winning those last 2 must win games, even if the RB was throwing the TD in one of them.

I can't envision the best offer he gets is as the 4th string QB of the Houston Texans. The guy is gone and good for him, but having him on the squad is more trouble than it's worth. And I say this with a heavy heart being a UH Alumn, but he's not a starting NFL QB, just a controversy machine here in Houston.

 

[JB]

- Thinks Fitzpatrick could end up being trade bait.

 

[infantrycak]

McClain was on the 610 midday show Tuesday and talked about the QB situation at some length. He:

- Doesn't expect the Texans to offer Keenum a contract. And if they do, like ObsiWan said above, Keenum and his agent might feel they can do better elsewhere.

- Thinks they'll draft a QB high, possibly in the first round.

- Will bring back the other three QBs, with Mallett likely to be the starter.

- Thinks Fitzpatrick could end up being trade bait.

If McClain said all this he just added another pancake to the stack.

 

[thunderkyss]

Now, the one thing that I don't know is how this would all work out for the salary cap - say you sign Case before March and then release him a few months later.

Everything counts.

He most likely won't have any kind of guaranteed money, so whatever we pay him up 'til he is cut would count against the cap.

Like you mentioned, we'll want several bodies in camp for insurance. At the same time last year they mentioned how difficult it was to get them all snaps in camp, when we only had four.

I wouldn't have a problem if they drafted a QB, I just don't think it's going to happen. I think Mallett was their guy from the get go & they look at Savage as a bonafide prospect.

 

[Number19]

...I wouldn't have a problem if they drafted a QB, I just don't think it's going to happen. I think Mallett was their guy from the get go & they look at Savage as a bonafide prospect.

This is my position, with one caveat. I'd rather them not take a QB in the first three rounds. Considering FA loses, players let go for cap reasons and positions we need to upgrade; I'd like the first three picks to go to filling these needs.

Releasing Fitz would save us approx $4M. Resigning Keenum would cost maybe $.75M or a mid-round QB about the same. Releasing Fitz gives us a large chunk of the cash to sign Mallet.

I'd be willing to go into TC with only three QB's if the medical staff is confident in Mallet's rehab. If we resign Keenum and draft a QB, we could release Keenum a week or two into camp if Mallet is 100% good to go. This would give Case the opportunity to sign on with another club and give the remaining three QB's more reps.

If I was the coach, this is how I would approach the off season.

 

[infantrycak]

This is my position, with one caveat. I'd rather them not take a QB in the first three rounds.

If they don't take one in the 1st 2 rounds they shouldn't do it at all.

 

[Double Barrel]

Good analysis. I guess I am just a bitter, blue in the face, little troll. I guess I should just eat all the crap on the plate I am fed and not question it, then maybe I can become a "true fan" like you.

lmao! Get on outta' here with that stuff. I do not sit in judgement of other fans. I see no degree of fandom, but if that's you're thing, that's your thing. I never implied that you were a troll. But, you can call yourself whatever you choose.

As far as eating crap, if that's the way you choose to perceive it, then I guess you're eating crap for dinner.

As for me, football is nothing more than entertainment diversion at the end of the day. It serves no other purpose in my life.

Awesome, will you serve it to me?

Sure, man. I'd hazard a guess that you like it bitter?

Change, in all facets of life, rarely happens when everyone quietly eats the the crap on the plate they are fed. It generally requires people standing up and calling for it. Otherwise you have Schaub and Kubiak for 7 years. I don't even want change though, I just don't want to marry into a long term relationship with Mallett. I don't think that's too much to ask. That 3 year / $12 MM contract that everyone suggested would be pretty cool if it existed though, but I don't believe it's anything more than a pipe dream.

We have no say in the matter. We cannot control or influence anything.

What we can choose and influence is our own perceptions of things.

And while it does not bother me if my fellow Texans fans are not buying into O'Brien, I do not get why that same level of respect cannot be given to other fans that are optimistic right now.

I'm looking forward to next season. I'm not going to apologize for finally having a slightest hint of optimism for the moment. I have rarely felt it after Texans seasons. Once at the end of 2011, and the team actually fulfilled some of the hope with another playoff season. I tried it again at the end of 2012, but we all know how that turned out.

So this is the third time in 13 seasons that I have some positive thoughts and look forward to next season. Why would that bother you so much?

Rant away, man. Just make the object of your rant the organization and the ones that actually control things, and not at other fans who are powerless to change a damn thing.

I guess when Hoyer was taken from the Patriots by former Patriots personnel to the Browns that had nothing to do with comfort and a working relationship either. At least the Browns found their franchise QB in Hoyer though. He looked good out there in those last 5 must win games of the season.

I'm not 100% convince that Mallett is the QB of the future. All I can do is try to put together some hints and chat about it.

And while I hope Mallett is the guy that takes this franchise to the promise land, I'm not stubbornly stuck with my support that I cannot be objective about it. I hope he is because it would be one of the quickest routes from
A to B. That said, who knows what the future holds? That's part of the fun of being a fan. We can only be spectators to all of it.

 

[dream_team]

I think Case has earned a look as a backup in the NFL winning those last 2 must win games, even if the RB was throwing the TD in one of them.

I can't envision the best offer he gets is as the 4th string QB of the Houston Texans. The guy is gone and good for him, but having him on the squad is more trouble than it's worth. And I say this with a heavy heart being a UH Alum, but he's not a starting NFL QB, just a controversy machine here in Houston.

You bring up a good point. If I was BOB, I wouldn't bring him back for that reason alone. Considering we don't have a sure-fire #1, as a coach, I'd prefer not have to deal with constant pressure from fans to play Case.

 

[JB]

You bring up a good point. If I was BOB, I wouldn't bring him back for that reason alone. Considering we don't have a sure-fire #1, as a coach, I'd prefer not have to deal with constant pressure from fans to play Case.

As a coach, I wouldn't give the first thought to what the fans thought. That's for the front office to deal with. I'm interested in what helps the team the most

 

[thunderkyss]

You bring up a good point. If I was BOB, I wouldn't bring him back for that reason alone. Considering we don't have a sure-fire #1, as a coach, I'd prefer not have to deal with constant pressure from fans to play Case.

I wouldn't care what the fans think.

If I were OB, Savage is my future QB, until I find a better prospect, most likely through the draft.

In the mean time, I intend to win games & for that, I need Mallett, Fitzpatrick, or Keenum until Savage is ready. I feel he might be ready in 2015, but in the NFL, you don't know until you know. So I won't be starting Savage unless I have no better option.

My first choice is Mallett. He's been in this system much longer & demonstrated to me, in one game, that he gets it. My second choice is Keenum, like Mallett there is a slim chance he might have that special quality that separates a starter from a franchise QB. My third choice is Fitzpatrick. I believe we can win games with him. Maybe not as many as I'd like, he may be holding the team back in the win column, but he won't hold them back from developing & getting better.

I only want one of those three, if I'm OB & I think Savage is ready. If not, then I'll take two.

 

[TexansFTW]

Yall can say what you want about fans having zero say and just sitting down and shutting up, but there was a reason that Case Keenum started 8 games for us last year and it wasn't Kubiak's decision.

Fan pressure is real and when enough cry out or speak out the voices get heard. Whether they are responded to or not is another question, but here in Houston we saw first hand what fans screaming did. I won't sit here and defend it cause it was a "feel good story" more than a quality decision (which is all that I bring to the table), but we saw first hand Kubiak was ready to yank Case every time he screwed up and threw in Schaub only to pick 6 himself back to the bench.

 

[Double Barrel]

As a coach, I wouldn't give the first thought to what the fans thought. That's for the front office to deal with. I'm interested in what helps the team the most

I would figure that any effective head coach would not listen to fans. Too many opinions and most are uneducated and biased. And I mean that in a good way, just honest about it. I wouldn't want the coach listening to ME, so it's not like I consider myself special in that regard.

I only use deductive reasoning to assume that Mallett will be penciled in, but that said, I honestly believe in O'Brien and whatever decision he ultimately makes. Obviously subject to final results, but going into it, I'm not going to bitch and moan about everything until we see how it pans out.

 

[Double Barrel]

Yall can say what you want about fans having zero say and just sitting down and shutting up, but there was a reason that Case Keenum started 8 games for us last year and it wasn't Kubiak's decision.

Do you have anything substantial to prove that point? Kubiak was the ONLY head coach in the NFL to even look at Keenum, so it was not a surprise that he got chances when it was obvious that Schaub had lost his mojo.

I'm not calling you out, but I've heard this for a year and have yet to see any sort of viable proof to back it up.

Fan pressure is real and when enough cry out or speak out the voices get heard. Whether they are responded to or not is another question, but here in Houston we saw first hand what fans screaming did. I won't sit here and defend it cause it was a "feel good story" more than a quality decision (which is all that I bring to the table), but we saw first hand Kubiak was ready to yank Case every time he screwed up and threw in Schaub only to pick 6 himself back to the bench.

If they listened to fans, then both Vince Young and Johnny Manziel would have been Houston Texans.

 

[TexansFTW]

Originally Posted by TexansFTW View Post
Awesome, will you serve it to me?

Sure, man. I'd hazard a guess that you like it bitter?

That was solid, well played.

As for all this internet fighting stuff, it's stupid and we shouldn't engage in it, it's a bigger waste of time than me trying to guess Rick Smith's 2nd round pick. I guess we will just each be fans our own way, I don't expect you to change and I know I will not change, but I guess we will respectfully disagree.

I will tell you a quick story though... Astros 2nd straight 100 loss season, I'm there 2nd day of the 2nd season in 2013. I show up as seen below. I start a rockus and eventually our section starts booing the Stros bullpen after they blow another game. I'm thrown out of the game by security, but as I'm escorted out I was taken through some ground floor exit area where Nolan Ryan was on the back of a golf cart with some other big wigs. They absolutely saw me in my mask and I know it hit them. This offseason we spent a bunch of coin on the bullpen.

You're welcome.

 

[Lucky]

If I were OB, Savage is my future QB, until I find a better prospect, most likely through the draft.

In the mean time, I intend to win games & for that, I need Mallett, Fitzpatrick, or Keenum until Savage is ready. I feel he might be ready in 2015, but in the NFL, you don't know until you know. So I won't be starting Savage unless I have no better option.

How long to you wait on a 25 year old "prospect"? I think the guy has to be one of the top 2 QBs next year. Else, I wouldn't keep him around. By the end of training camp, Savage either will figure it out or he won't. He needs to earn his spot on the roster from here on. Not get another redshirt season.

 

[infantrycak]

Do you have anything substantial to prove that point? Kubiak was the ONLY head coach in the NFL to even look at Keenum, so it was not a surprise that he got chances when it was obvious that Schaub had lost his mojo.

I'm not calling you out, but I've heard this for a year and have yet to see any sort of viable proof to back it up.

If it gets repeated enough, it becomes fact even if it makes no sense. Kubiak went out of his way in the off-season to talk up Case to the point of creating a backup controversy. I don't think he had anything against Case at all. He just kept hoping beyond hope that good Schaub would return and save the day.

If they listened to fans, then both Vince Young and Johnny Manziel would have been Houston Texans.[/QUOTE]

 

[thunderkyss]

Yall can say what you want about fans having zero say and just sitting down and shutting up, but there was a reason that Case Keenum started 8 games for us last year and it wasn't Kubiak's decision.

Fan pressure is real...

I think McNair was trying to secure the #1 pick for Clowney, those Gamecocks stick together.

 

[thunderkyss]

How long to you wait on a 25 year old "prospect"? I think the guy has to be one of the top 2 QBs next year. Else, I wouldn't keep him around. By the end of training camp, Savage either will figure it out or he won't. He needs to earn his spot on the roster from here on. Not get another redshirt season.

Agreed. If OB doesn't feel like he's the #2 when the season starts, I don't think it looks good for Tom Savage.

 

[thunderkyss]

If they listened to fans, then both Vince Young and Johnny Manziel would have been Houston Texans.

We've got people here saying both Bortles & Bridgewater would look a lot better if they were on our team with our coach.

If Gary Kubiak can get Jake Plummer to the AFC Championship Game, he could get the Texans to the play offs several times over with VY or JFF.

 

[infantrycak]

We've got people here saying both Bortles & Bridgewater would look a lot better if they were on our team with our coach.

If Gary Kubiak can get Jake Plummer to the AFC Championship Game, he could get the Texans to the play offs several times over with VY or JFF.

A) that was a DB statement.

B) so? That has nothing to do with the point. I happen to think VY would have had a different and better career with Kubiak as coach, to what ultimate outcome I don't know. But that's irrelevant to the fact that the Texans did not give in to fan pressure far, far greater than anything ever mustered for Case in their decisions on both VY and JFF.

 

[thunderkyss]

B) so? That has nothing to do with the point. I happen to think VY would have had a different and better career with Kubiak as coach, to what ultimate outcome I don't know. But that's irrelevant to the fact that the Texans did not give in to fan pressure far, far greater than anything ever mustered for Case in their decisions on both VY and JFF.

True. My bad.

 

[dream_team]

As a coach, I wouldn't give the first thought to what the fans thought. That's for the front office to deal with. I'm interested in what helps the team the most

I'm with you 100%... but if the FO is getting pressure, wouldn't it be plausible that pressure gets passed down to the coaching staff?

I have ZERO evidence to back this up, and I typically don't like to theorize on certain things... but if I had to guess, I don't think Kubiak wanted to start Case. I think McNair really wanted Case to workout in Houston, just like he really wanted Kubiak to be the guy to succeed in Houston. I admit, though, no evidence behind that.

 

[JB]

I'm with you 100%... but if the FO is getting pressure, wouldn't it be plausible that pressure gets passed down to the coaching staff?

I have ZERO evidence to back this up, and I typically don't like to theorize on certain things... but if I had to guess, I don't think Kubiak wanted to start Case. I think McNair really wanted Case to workout in Houston, just like he really wanted Kubiak to be the guy to succeed in Houston. I admit, though, no evidence behind that.

If it does, there's problems in the organization. I'm sure suggestions may get passed down, but if there is pressure applied then this will never be a successful franchise

 

[steelbtexan]

Every argument that starts or involves "BoB or Rick Smith have much more insight into these players for X reasons and therefore know more than we do" are IMO just blind faith posts.

I've been a Houston fan long enough to forego any blind faith. I like to question things I don't agree with, that's why I personally come to these forums. To question, vent, and become educated.

Blind faith causes you to waste the best years of your talent on the field and close your fleeting super bowl windows blindly following guys like Kubiak or Mike Smith (Kubes 2).

Screw BoB's insight as it pertains to Mallett. He's just comfortable with the kid, but the kid is a loser and we are about to marry into another unhealthy 4 year relationship because of comfort.

Just my opinion... I'd love to be wrong though.



Then they drafted Savage, lol. He's looking for size.

How do you know Mallett is a loser?

 

[PapaL]

How long did we sign Thad Lewis for? I see lots of talk about arms for camp but no mention of him.

 

[Norg]

I think we are going into rebuilding year #2

 

[The Pencil Neck]

How do you know Mallett is a loser?

Because he's a fan and fans know everything. They've got tons more info and insight on these players than the coaches do.

 

[steelbtexan]

Last year the pre-draft talk on the board was that they shouldn't take a quarterback in 2014 because the 2015 draft was loaded with quarterbacks, and a good one could be found anywhere the Texans happened to be picking in the first round. What happened? Did all of these guys suck in college last season? Was that 2015 projection just fan rationalization to back their favored pick Clowney? Is it simply that all of the draft projecting, talent evaluating, game tape analyzing posts aren't worth the paper* they are printed on?


*I know they are on computer screens and not paper. That's my point!

Nope, it's just that guys like Petty/Winston/Hundley/Hogan regressed for different reasons.

 

[JCTexan]

How long did we sign Thad Lewis for? I see lots of talk about arms for camp but no mention of him.

He's not signed and he would probably be the 5th QB if Mallett stays.

 

[Thorn]

Because he's a fan and fans know everything. They've got tons more info and insight on these players than the coaches do.

You just nailed the reason why I'm always right. Thanks, Bro.

 

[Marshall]

If they don't take one in the 1st 2 rounds they shouldn't do it at all.

But if a guy they like, say Garrett Grayson, has fallen far beyond where their board indicates he should, why not take the plunge. There is nothing to indicate a player drafted higher than that same player drafted lower plays better.

 

[infantrycak]

But if a guy they like, say Garrett Grayson, has fallen far beyond where their board indicates he should, why not take the plunge. There is nothing to indicate a player drafted higher than that same player drafted lower plays better.

People don't fall for no reason. What's the reason?

But yes, if like the Patriots they had a 1st round grade on Mallett and he fell for off field issues then OK taking him in the 3rd may be a good risk.

So yay, a rare exception to a rule I would otherwise stick by for the Texans this offseason.