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Texans re-sign Keenum

Scooter said:
keenum kept the chains moving, doing his job to get in scoring range or at least keep the ravens pinned - something fitz and his rating has failed to do all season. i found it baffling that o'brien would put such a heavy passing load on him in the first place, but keenum did his job and did it with a very weak running attack (and a couple of key drops by hopkins).

TK's a great poster here, and well respected. sure he plays the other side of the fence to stir the pot pretty often lol, but he's a knowledgeable poster and good guy. you might want to tone it down a bit.
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oooh...k. How did he keep the Ravens pinned? The performance by Flacco was one of the worst I've ever seen in my life. The Texans started what, 6 times inside the 50? If Fitz has that performance, you guys are all over him...the lack of rationality on this board is beyond belief. And I should tone it down a bit?? Not on your life, my friend...
 
NYTexansFan said:
oooh...k. How did he keep the Ravens pinned? The performance by Flacco was one of the worst I've ever seen in my life. The Texans started what, 6 times inside the 50? If Fitz has that performance, you guys are all over him...the lack of rationality on this board is beyond belief. And I should tone it down a bit?? Not on your life, my friend...
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We didn't start inside the 50 that often. But we moved the ball to the red zone often enough while taking boatload of time off the clock. We ended with just under a 10 minute advantage in TOP, but it was even more dominant before the 4th quarter. It was the kind of dominance which doesn't show up on the scoreboard, but is demoralizing to the other team none-the-less.
 
PapaL said:
They give up barely anything on the ground and a **** ton in the air. Where would you expect to attack? Kept throwing to loosen the defense. Nothing baffling about it.
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which is why i thought the opening script made a lot of sense. we went deep on the first play of the game and kept it up tempo, taking several shots in the first half to open the field. as the game wore on however we never attempted to give keenum enough support on the ground. that was most noticeable in the red zone. our pass-run call ratio was around 50-35. for having a guy show up on monday to learn the gameplan, i just felt it was a heavier load than you'd want to put a quarterback into. that's just my opinion though.
 
NYTexansFan said:
You're out of line, buddy...the guy did jack *#$#...it would have been about Fitz's worst game. Fitz had a mid nineties qb rating for the year...Keenum barely cracked 50 and threw 22 incomplete passes. You're posts are getting nonsensical at this point. Anybody who thinks you have any credibility is delusional.
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It's "your posts"

& who the heck has any credibility here? It's a freaking message board. I'll give you a hint... my name isn't really thunderkyss. It's an alias.

& the only thing nonsensical about my posts is that reading comprehension is required.

I did not say Case played better than Fitz. I said he did all the tempo stuff better, managing the tempo of the offense the way OB has said again & again & again that he wanted.
 
NYTexansFan said:
oooh...k. How did he keep the Ravens pinned? The performance by Flacco was one of the worst I've ever seen in my life. The Texans started what, 6 times inside the 50? If Fitz has that performance, you guys are all over him...the lack of rationality on this board is beyond belief. And I should tone it down a bit?? Not on your life, my friend...
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If we cut Fitzpatrick before the season started (something I suggested multiple times) & he was in a deer stand last Sunday, then got called in & played the game he did yesterday, I'd have beat you to his nutsack.

But he wasn't. He's been here for 15 weeks & the only play our coaches have put in to take advantage of his skills is the QB sweep. Think about that for a minute.
 
thunderkyss said:
It's "your posts"

& who the heck has any credibility here? It's a freaking message board. I'll give you a hint... my name isn't really thunderkyss. It's an alias.

& the only thing nonsensical about my posts is that reading comprehension is required.

I did not say Case played better than Fitz. I said he did all the tempo stuff better, managing the tempo of the offense the way OB has said again & again & again that he wanted.
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O'Brien is the one who chose Fitz as his QB and cut Case. If Fitz had the wrong tempo all year, why on earth did he stick with him so long. If you have great tempo, yet are completing less than half your passes, something is very amiss. And if you know anything about Fitz, he is known for getting rid of the ball fast and making quick reads. That has been a strength.
 
Has it been mentioned that Keenum was allowed to call audibles this time. Kubes never let him call audibles.

Did Kubes let any Texan QB call audibles?
 
Scooter said:
keenum kept the chains moving, doing his job to get in scoring range or at least keep the ravens pinned - something fitz and his rating has failed to do all season. i found it baffling that o'brien would put such a heavy passing load on him in the first place, but keenum did his job and did it with a very weak running attack (and a couple of key drops by hopkins).

TK's a great poster here, and well respected. sure he plays the other side of the fence to stir the pot pretty often lol, but he's a knowledgeable poster and good guy. you might want to tone it down a bit.
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I 2nd this post.
 
Jesus Christ, he was in a deer stand because his team already played. Stop with the foolishness already. He didn't come in cold like Favre. He's been playing football all year long.
 
NYTexansFan said:
O'Brien is the one who chose Fitz as his QB and cut Case. If Fitz had the wrong tempo all year, why on earth did he stick with him so long. If you have great tempo, yet are completing less than half your passes, something is very amiss.
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Still doesn't change my belief that Keenum managed the tempo of the game better than Fitz all year.


NYTexansFan said:
And if you know anything about Fitz, he is known for getting rid of the ball fast and making quick reads. That has been a strength.
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That's not the guy we've seen outside of the Jags game. He's been one ball holding sungun all year long. I'd have loved for The gunslinging Fitzpatrick to have showed up this year. That guy that got Buffalo off to a 6-0 start a while back. With Aj, Hop, Foster, our defense & punter..... we may very well have been 10-5 right now.

But that Garden gnome we had all year..... gots to go.
 
NYTexansFan said:
And if you know anything about Fitz, he is known for getting rid of the ball fast and making quick reads. That has been a strength.
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Don't have to know anything about his past. Watched the games he played here and here he frequently was slow getting the ball out.
 
Keenum's best play was taking a knee to the back! Get outta here. If by moving the chains you mean throwing incompletions and setting up the FG team then yes, that was accomplished.
 
NYTexansFan said:
oooh...k. How did he keep the Ravens pinned? The performance by Flacco was one of the worst I've ever seen in my life. The Texans started what, 6 times inside the 50? If Fitz has that performance, you guys are all over him...the lack of rationality on this board is beyond belief. And I should tone it down a bit?? Not on your life, my friend...
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Fitz has been here, running this offense as the starter, all season long. More should be expected of him than a guy who just got back in this locker room on Monday or Tuesday.
 
ObsiWan said:
Fitz has been here, running this offense as the starter, all season long. More should be expected of him than a guy who just got back in this locker room on Monday or Tuesday.
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The guy had 19 TD's to 8 INT's and a mid 90's QB rating...I think more was delivered!!! My God, can someone be that dense???
 
I think what is the most blatantly obvious "stat" is how much worse the Titans are this year without Fitz. That horrible abomination of a team was actually in the playoff race in December last season with Fitz at the helm. Even many Bills fans say they wish they had Fitz back.
 
NYTexansFan said:
The guy had 19 TD's to 8 INT's and a mid 90's QB rating...I think more was delivered!!! My God, can someone be that dense???
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against junk teams, and STILL needed foster and the defense to carry him. redskins, raiders, bills, titans (x2) and jaguars. fitz's highest point totals were against the raiders and titans - in which the defense combined for 8 turnovers. i guess i can be that dense, especially since every number is super-inflated by one game. fitz has been bad all year, the key part of our 24th ranked 3rd down conversion percentage.
 
NYTexansFan said:
The guy had 19 TD's to 8 INT's and a mid 90's QB rating...I think more was delivered!!! My God, can someone be that dense???
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Fitz's stats are 17 TDs against 8 INTs. Six of those TDs (and a 147 QBR) came against a weak Tennessee squad. Take the Tenn. game stats away from his totals and we're back to mediocre.

But the point was that we expect Fitz to perform at the level we saw from Keenum yesterday (actually I expect better) because he has been here - as the starter - all season long.

To get anything like what a starter like Fitz is EXPECTED to do from a guy who just rejoined the team on Monday speaks to one heck of a coaching job and pretty good (no, not great) play from Keenum.
 
NYTexansFan said:
The guy had 19 TD's to 8 INT's and a mid 90's QB rating...I think more was delivered!!! My God, can someone be that dense???
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You really need to cool it with the insults.

& try to keep the conversation in context. If Fitz had 19 TDs & 8 INTs in that one game, of course we'd think he was the god you apparently worship.

But he didn't. You stated if Fitz played like Keenum in that game we'd want to run him out of town & that's what ObsiWan was referring to.
 
PapaL said:
Keenum's best play was taking a knee to the back! Get outta here. If by moving the chains you mean throwing incompletions and setting up the FG team then yes, that was accomplished.
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Better an incompletion than a 20 yard sack.
 
NYTexansFan said:
I think what is the most blatantly obvious "stat" is how much worse the Titans are this year without Fitz. That horrible abomination of a team was actually in the playoff race in December last season with Fitz at the helm. Even many Bills fans say they wish they had Fitz back.
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You're hilarious. Bills fans want Fitzpatrick back...... lol. Come & get him.

The Titans have $875K of dead money on their cap because they decided to cut Fitzpatrick instead of letting him play out his contract. They've got a $1.5M cap hit for the guy they replaced him with & they're not even letting him play.

But because they want him back, we're supposed to believe that's a good thing.

One stupid decision after another concerning the QB position & we're supposed to believe that they want Fitz back, it's a good thing.

You're hilarious.
 
NYTexansFan said:
I think what is the most blatantly obvious "stat" is how much worse the Titans are this year without Fitz. That horrible abomination of a team was actually in the playoff race in December last season with Fitz at the helm. Even many Bills fans say they wish they had Fitz back.
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Have you seen their QBs?
 
Why can't we be a fan of every QB who has played this year? Each has strengths and weaknesses and each has room to improve. I don't think any of them is past the point of improving nor are any of them incapable of winning.

Fitz - Yeah!
Mallett - Yeah!
Savage - Yeah!
Keenum - Yeah!
Lewis - ?
 
LOL at StinkyPete(tm) fanbois..

Just savor his awesome performances against NY
and Pitt -- hell any team with a defense that had a pulse..

The guy magically disappeared for entire quarters!
 
If Texans win this Sunday, and it's a good game for Keenum, all the haters are going to say the Jags suck.

We'll see if Case can win twice or fail. If he fails miserably, we know he doesn't need to be on the Texans next year. It's that simple.
 
NYTexansFan said:
I think what is the most blatantly obvious "stat" is how much worse the Titans are this year without Fitz. That horrible abomination of a team was actually in the playoff race in December last season with Fitz at the helm. Even many Bills fans say they wish they had Fitz back.
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How about some free agents that have performed poorly and some really bad drafts? you thought rick smith was bad?

titans last year were 7-9. Playoffs were talked about because the division was so bad not because Fitz was so good.
 
legacy_gt said:
If Texans win this Sunday, and it's a good game for Keenum, all the haters are going to say the Jags suck.

We'll see if Case can win twice or fail. If he fails miserably, we know he doesn't need to be on the Texans next year. It's that simple.
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Define a good game. Less than 50% accuracy. Under 200 yards. Under 4.5 per attempt. 8 drives starting at the Houston 45 or better but settling for 6 FG's and a trick play TD. Those are stats that I would expect from a guy just signed a few days before from another team's PS. But those are the stats that got Fitz benched for Mallet. If he has those same stats next week against Jax, and the defense dominates again to create a blowout, are we going to call it a good game?

He did an admirable job of setting Bullock up again and again and again and again while the defense played the best game in at least two years. The reality is that the Ravens offense all season has been much better than what they showed yesterday. Case should be buying everyone on the defense a big steak dinner with his game check.
 
sandman said:
Define a good game. Less than 50% accuracy. Under 200 yards. Under 4.5 per attempt. 8 drives starting at the Houston 45 or better but settling for 6 FG's and a trick play TD. Those are stats that I would expect from a guy just signed a few days before from another team's PS. But those are the stats that got Fitz benched for Mallet. If he has those same stats next week against Jax, and the defense dominates again to create a blowout, are we going to call it a good game?

He did an admirable job of setting Bullock up again and again and again and again while the defense played the best game in at least two years. The reality is that the Ravens offense all season has been much better than what they showed yesterday. Case should be buying everyone on the defense a big steak dinner with his game check.
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So it's not sacrilege to admit that the QB play doesn't always determine the outcome of the game? ~I'm not sure anyone can really be convinced of that here. We must do everything possible to get a 1st round QB because that will make him better than if we wait til the second, third, fourth or even a FA QB. It's not about performance, it's all about the draft pick used to acquire a player.~
 
Thorn said:
That, and a good QB. We gotta get ourselves one of those QB thingies other teams have.
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Just tell us who YOU think we can get that becomes that FRANCHISE QB. And be realistic. I think the players we have are as good as the players in the draft.
 
Marshall said:
So it's not sacrilege to admit that the QB play doesn't always determine the outcome of the game? ~I'm not sure anyone can really be convinced of that here. We must do everything possible to get a 1st round QB because that will make him better than if we wait til the second, third, fourth or even a FA QB. It's not about performance, it's all about the draft pick used to acquire a player.~
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Understanding the hyperbole, you don't pass up a can't-miss guy. Unfortunately for the Texans, the one year where their greatest need was QB, there wasn't a can't-miss in the draft. Just look at the rookie performances this year.

Last year, the Texans could not win with mediocre QB play. This year, they have had three different QB's get a win. Seems that BOB is putting together a team that doesn't need a once-in-a-generation QB. And I'm OK with that, with the Flacco's and Wilson's of the world winning a Lombardi.
 
legacy_gt said:
If Texans win this Sunday, and it's a good game for Keenum, all the haters are going to say the Jags suck.



We'll see if Case can win twice or fail. If he fails miserably, we know he doesn't need to be on the Texans next year. It's that simple.
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Are they good? What's their record?

So what if we win based on defense and ST again? Does the QB get the credit or like the losses it's not on him?
 
PapaL said:
Are they good? What's their record?

So what if we win based on defense and ST again? Does the QB get the credit or like the losses it's not on him?
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QB Talking Points:

Fitz throws 6 TD's against the Tacks = no big deal because they suck

Mallett tears pectoral muscle and out for season = injury prone & unreliable

Savage thrust into play as a rookie against Indy on the road, has decent second half to help keep game close = never should have come off the practice squad

Case doesn't lose the game against the Jags = compete for starting QB next season
 
sandman said:
Understanding the hyperbole, you don't pass up a can't-miss guy. Unfortunately for the Texans, the one year where their greatest need was QB, there wasn't a can't-miss in the draft. Just look at the rookie performances this year.

Last year, the Texans could not win with mediocre QB play. This year, they have had three different QB's get a win. Seems that BOB is putting together a team that doesn't need a once-in-a-generation QB. And I'm OK with that, with the Flacco's and Wilson's of the world winning a Lombardi.
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The biggest difference between 2012 and 2013 was the turnovers with the schedule a distant second. It made a huge impact. But the overall talent hasn't changed significantly as we lost some talent and others, like Watt, have turned it up. QB play could stand improvement, but so could other positions.

I'm just glad our FO isn't as QB centric as some on this board. There really aren't that many franchise QB's and those that are rarely win it all more than 1/4 of their prime years.
 
legacy_gt said:
If Texans win this Sunday, and it's a good game for Keenum, all the haters are going to say the Jags suck.
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We're all saying the Jags suck now. Haters & Homers alike.

Regardless, the haters are going to continue to say the Jags suck.

The homers... the irrational homers are going to say the Jags defense played better than they had all year.
 
sandman said:
Last year, the Texans could not win with mediocre QB play. This year, they have had three different QB's get a win. Seems that BOB is putting together a team that doesn't need a once-in-a-generation QB. And I'm OK with that, with the Flacco's and Wilson's of the world winning a Lombardi.
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Those QBs still had to come up big to win it all. Add Eli to the list. Mediocre, but step up big in big situations. The Giants, Ravens, & Sea hawks don't win those Super Bowls without them & that was more than "mediocre QB play" that got them from Wild-Card to Lombardi.
 
thunderkyss said:
Those QBs still had to come up big to win it all. Add Eli to the list. Mediocre, but step up big in big situations. The Giants, Ravens, & Sea hawks don't win those Super Bowls without them & that was more than "mediocre QB play" that got them from Wild-Card to Lombardi.
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Didn't mean to insinuate that Flacco or Wilson were mediocre. Just that they are not one of those once-in-a-generation type QB's. I would take either one of them on my team! I'll take Eli about every 3-4 years when he is due to get a hot SB run! ;)
 
The only thing Keenum did was not screw up what the defense and Flacco gave him.

Flacco couldn't hit the broad side of a barn

The performance the D has put up the last couple weeks has been impressive to me
 
legacy_gt said:
If Texans win this Sunday, and it's a good game for Keenum, all the haters are going to say the Jags suck.

We'll see if Case can win twice or fail. If he fails miserably, we know he doesn't need to be on the Texans next year. It's that simple.
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It isn't worth blowing a game just to find that out, if Savage is able to play.
 
The Ravens were/are 3rd in sacks in the NFL with 45. Keenum wasn't sacked once. The Jaguars may be no powerhouse, but whatever you want to say about them, they have a pretty decent front 7........they're only 3 behind the Ravens in total sacks with 42 (#5 in NFL [Texans are #23 with only 33]) . This will be yet another test of Keenum's ability to lose last year's reputation of not being able to handle the rush.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The Ravens were/are 3rd in sacks in the NFL with 45. Keenum wasn't sacked once. The Jaguars may be no powerhouse, but whatever you want to say about them, they have a pretty decent front 7........they're only 3 behind the Ravens in total sacks with 42 (#5 in NFL [Texans are #23 with only 33]) . This will be yet another test of Keenum's ability to lose last year's reputation of not being able to handle the rush.
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I give you exhibit A
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The Ravens were/are 3rd in sacks in the NFL with 45. Keenum wasn't sacked once. The Jaguars may be no powerhouse, but whatever you want to say about them, they have a pretty decent front 7........they're only 3 behind the Ravens in total sacks with 42 (#5 in NFL [Texans are #23 with only 33]) . This will be yet another test of Keenum's ability to lose last year's reputation of not being able to handle the rush.
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The Texans have only given up 23 sacks all season, which is 5th best in the NFL. That wasn't all Keenum.
 
sandman said:
The Texans have only given up 23 sacks all season, which is 5th best in the NFL. That wasn't all Keenum.
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Of course not. But if he had taken sacks, you can bet your last dollar that the narrative would be about how bad Keenum did in the face of the rush. The critics can't have it both ways.
 
eriadoc said:
Of course not. But if he had taken sacks, you can bet your last dollar that the narrative would be about how bad Keenum did in the face of the rush. The critics can't have it both ways.
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True. It would technically be a fair critique considering that this is an area of strength for the team this year, but it would have been unfairly analyzed. Because we are all coming to the message board with bias.
 
eriadoc said:
Of course not. But if he had taken sacks, you can bet your last dollar that the narrative would be about how bad Keenum did in the face of the rush. The critics can't have it both ways.
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So he missed 22 passes in face of no pass rush?
 
eriadoc said:
Of course not. But if he had taken sacks, you can bet your last dollar that the narrative would be about how bad Keenum did in the face of the rush. The critics can't have it both ways.
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Depends, a sack for 3 to 8 yards, I wouldn't have thought twice about it unless he held the ball for 5 seconds.

A sack for 10 plus yards on anything but a bootleg.... that's his ass.
 
HOU-TEX said:
The only thing Keenum did was not screw up what the defense and Flacco gave him.

Flacco couldn't hit the broad side of a barn

The performance the D has put up the last couple weeks has been impressive to me
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I guess we watched different games. Flacco AND his receivers were off for good reason. Keenum was definitely mediocre, not horrible as you suggest.
 
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