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Texans re-sign Keenum

St Louis cut him to put him on the practice squad. If Kubiak wanted him, he could have got him. & like us, could have got him any time Case was on the practice squad.

Here's the part you missed the first time you read it:

"And no one was going to make a roster change super late in the
season, so it was a calculated risk for STL to PS Keenum when they
did.."

He was cut very late in the season to make room for an injury to
a non-skills player.

No one adds a QB practice squad player to their active roster in week
8 or 10 unless an injury occurs.

The Rams needed the space and felt Keenum would be safe that late in
the season. (they were wrong, because the Texans came calling..)

Also, it isn't Kubiak's decision -- he's just an OC not HC or GM

I bet you that if Keenum wins another game here next week, and the
Texans cut him before camp, he has another gig before the start of
the season next year.
 
actually, some people root for anyone that's at qb. I rooted for fitz, mallet, savage, and now case.

it's called loyalty to our team. Texans only beat the bills and browns who have winning records, with the bills being the only good team, and now beat a hot ravens team. give a little credit case isn't the solution but he most likely go 2-0 with a possibility (small) to go in the playoffs.

for me, at least, the idea that I can root for a player to play his best and for the team to win, but realize that the same player is probably has a better chance of being out of the league than the starter in 2016 is not some contradictory notion. that's what I think of all of 6 dudes the Texans have rostered, and I hope to hell that I wrong about one of them.
 
Why the hate hoss?

Did you want the team to fail today?

He isn't Elway, but #7 played a hell of a game on 5 days notice.

Look at Lindley with AZ -- that was what I was expecting to
see with Case vs. the Ravens..


Proved himself? Hahaha some people have serious addiction problems. Put the pipe down.
 
for me, at least, the idea that I can root for a player to play his best and for the team to win, but realize that the same player is probably has a better chance of being out of the league than the starter in 2016 is not some contradictory notion. that's what I think of all of 6 dudes the Texans have rostered, and I hope to hell that I wrong about one of them.

case goes 2-0 and he extends his chances as a backup for any team would be good for him.

I'm enjoying 2014 and the chance we can get another win and the slim chance of getting in the playoffs.

i'll take this than 2-14 from last year with #80 walking off the field after yelling at schaub.
 
case goes 2-0 and he extends his chances as a backup for any team would be good for him.

I'm enjoying 2014 and the chance we can get another win and the slim chance of getting in the playoffs.

i'll take this than 2-14 from last year with #80 walking off the field after yelling at schaub.

I agree.
 
Case had a bad game. He was inaccurate, missed receivers, threw the easiest interception known to man, had horrible RZ & GTG efficiency percentages, and even threw less TDs than a running back.

But you do have to put it all into context... and when you do that, I give the dude TONS of credit. Less than a week ago, he was on another team. That's just insane, especially for a QB. Change teams and in 6 days start and win the game. Not to mention our top receiver this season didn't practice all week, so they didn't get a chance to work on their timing (which was extremely obvious). Not to mention the Ravens defense has one of the best rush defenses in the league, as well as two of the best pass rushers in the league.

Great game Case, but still lots to work on. Good thing he'll have a practice game next Sunday to simulate live action.
 
Case had a bad game. He was inaccurate, missed receivers, threw the easiest interception known to man, had horrible RZ & GTG efficiency percentages, and even threw less TDs than a running back.

But you do have to put it all into context... and when you do that, I give the dude TONS of credit. Less than a week ago, he was on another team. That's just insane, especially for a QB. Change teams and in 6 days start and win the game. Not to mention our top receiver this season didn't practice all week, so they didn't get a chance to work on their timing (which was extremely obvious). Not to mention the Ravens defense has one of the best rush defenses in the league, as well as two of the best pass rushers in the league.

Great game Case, but still lots to work on. Good thing he'll have a practice game next Sunday to simulate live action.

if case had a bad game, what would you call flaco's? especially if the ravens also needed the win to secure a playoff spot?
 
interesting watching case this game shows me this year that he's actually faster at getting rid of the ball than fitz.


we'll see how he does next week.
 
interesting watching case this game shows me this year that he's actually faster at getting rid of the ball than fitz.


we'll see how he does next week.

Actually, what I saw from Case today, I think it was definitely a mistake to bring in Fitz & cut Case. I can't think of a single game that Fitz won that Case wouldn't have. He might not have gotten 6 TDs against the Jags..... but we'd have won that game regardless.
 
Actually, what I saw from Case today, I think it was definitely a mistake to bring in Fitz & cut Case. I can't think of a single game that Fitz won that Case wouldn't have. He might not have gotten 6 TDs against the Jags..... but we'd have won that game regardless.

I can agree with that. plus, this team would have never gone 2-14 last year. I like how 2 TE and 3 receivers were used today.
 
I liked about half of Case's plays today, but I really have to hand it to O'Brien for his playcalling/gameplanning. Can you imagine if we can squeak in the the gd playoffs???
 
Actually, what I saw from Case today, I think it was definitely a mistake to bring in Fitz & cut Case. I can't think of a single game that Fitz won that Case wouldn't have. He might not have gotten 6 TDs against the Jags..... but we'd have won that game regardless.

Name a Fitz loss that Case would have won. Otherwise, you are just saying that Case is Fitz. And we all know that Fitz is not the answer for this team.
 
The argument about Case never winning a game was complete crap anyway, since he played well enough to win at least a few of those last year. So when he plays poorly in a loss and people pile on, it just underscores what a BS argument it was in the first place.

The worst part about this is the lack of hope. Mallett just doesn't make me think he's the next coming, and this draft class turned out to be a lot worse than we anticipated.
 
Case played ok. Not great, but not bad. He was the definition of a game manager. Nothing wrong with that, but lets keep it in perspective, too many haters and too many homers. It was one start, lets see how he grows as a qb next Sunday.
 
40.2 QBR; LINK
That's 25 out of 30, with 2 left to play. That's what we're calling "not great, not bad"?

Fitz averaged 55.3 QBR and we were ready to chase him and his 6 wins out of town. Imagine that.
 
40.2 QBR; LINK
That's 25 out of 30, with 2 left to play. That's what we're calling "not great, not bad"?

Fitz averaged 55.3 QBR and we were ready to chase him and his 6 wins out of town. Imagine that.

Again, Fitz has been in the league 10 years, having that average his whole career, played with our team from otas to training camp until he got hurt. Case was here for a few months, left for most the season then came back and thrust into a starting role. The two cannot be compared, JUST YET.

Like I said, give Case another week and see if he improves or not. Even you haters have to admit he improved on things that plagued him last season. No one is anointing him the starter next year, but the growth he showed was pretty good.
 
I'm glad you bring up career and starts; LINK. 34.5 is what he averaged last year...after being in that system for a year and a half.

Fitz has been in the league 10 years and he too sucks. He also came into this season not knowing this offense and won 3 out of 4 first starts. All he's done is put us in playoff contention.

Case's best play this week was his scramble and taking a knee to the back; as evident by the RUN EPA and PEN EPA stat. That's what you consider not good, not bad? Yet Fitz is pure garbage. Hahaha. Get out of here with that wishy washy logic.

Both guys have played QB for a long time. Both guys have years experience reading a D and throwing the ball. They both suck. Stop making excuses for one and not the other.
 
I'm happy for the kid. Hopefully he can parlay this win and possibly next weeks win into a long term back up qb gig in the league. Maybe here, maybe elsewhere. I think he's proven he's no worse than any of the McCown's and/or Jordan Palmer and all those guys have been around the league for years.
 
Yep, and for a while he will be cheaper.

He was clearly given some "coaching up" in st. Louis.

..Much better handling the rush and getting the ball out
quickly - whether it was complete or not.

That shows me that he has more room to grow, he just needs
a team that wants to dedicate the time to work with him.

That is always tough to find when you are an UDFA though.


I'm happy for the kid. Hopefully he can parlay this win and possibly next weeks win into a long term back up qb gig in the league. Maybe here, maybe elsewhere. I think he's proven he's no worse than any of the McCown's and/or Jordan Palmer and all those guys have been around the league for years.
 
The argument about Case never winning a game was complete crap anyway, since he played well enough to win at least a few of those last year. So when he plays poorly in a loss and people pile on, it just underscores what a BS argument it was in the first place.

The worst part about this is the lack of hope. Mallett just doesn't make me think he's the next coming, and this draft class turned out to be a lot worse than we anticipated.

I'm a little more upbeat on the QB situation than you are. Mallett and Savage for that matter have the ability to be starting QB's in the NFL. They are just lacking in experience. This will be the same with any QB that BOB drafts in next yrs draft.

After the Cleveland game Mallett while not perfect looked like a starting NFL QB to me and Savage looked better than I thought he would for a 3rd string QB that wasn't supposed to play this yr. I think the QB position despite the unknowns is in better shape than people around here think. QB's like Brady/Manning and Rodgers don't fall off of trees. They surely didn't play as well in their 1st start as they're playing now.

In short, whether the Texans roll with what they have now at QB or they draft a QB there are going to be growing pains at the position. We as fans are just going to have to accept this as fact. Hopefully the growing pains wont last too long and Mallett is the man. Really before the draft this comes down to if BOB thinks Mallett/Savage are the future at QB. My gut tells me that he thinks they are. My gut also tells me you don't think they are. I sure hope you're wrong on this one. Because if you're right the Texans will be wasting 3-5 yrs (the BOB regime will be over) on the QB position and the team will continue the vicious cycle they have had at the QB position since their inception.

BTW, Keenum played well for a guy who was on the street a week ago and I like how BOB called plays letting Keenum throw the ball instead of going into a shell. Although Fitz is a better backup QB than Keenum for the $$$$ I wouldn't have a problem with Keenum being the backup QB next yr. I believe if Keenum sticks on an NFL roster next yr he will qualify for the NFL pension fund and that couldn't happen to a better guy. I'm pulling for Case because of this.
 
I just posted a similar sentiment in the "Who's your QB" thread. For the money, Case should be the guy. Fitz is a better QB, but we need the cap room for LB, WR, etc. etc.
 
Again, Fitz has been in the league 10 years, having that average his whole career, played with our team from otas to training camp until he got hurt. Case was here for a few months, left for most the season then came back and thrust into a starting role. The two cannot be compared, JUST YET.

Like I said, give Case another week and see if he improves or not. Even you haters have to admit he improved on things that plagued him last season. No one is anointing him the starter next year, but the growth he showed was pretty good.

Exactly!! Case has played exactly NINE games in his career. Everyone, whether you had him never taking another snap or being the starter for the next decade, has no clue what his career holds after NINE freaking games.

He comes back for one game in an emergency role and the Texans win. For right now, that's all it is. The Texans win a game they needed to win with a QB who has been here a week relearning everything. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yeah, they couldn't punch it in in the red zone, but I don't think anyone should have been expecting this offense to be a well-oiled machine with their QB situation. They were going to struggle. But they did enough against a GOOD football team, against a good defense, to win, despite their emergency role QB having less than a week to prepare. They did put points on the board at the end of 7 possessions.

Next week, the Texans need to win another game, Case will have been here a 2nd week in the system, and we'll hope for the best. At least I think most of us are hoping for the best.
 
Going into the game, I believe there was a large consensus that we would lose this game - the line was certainly not in our favor. We won.

Case has taken some flak for not putting the ball into the end zone. But not mentioned, Case took the offense down the field on four scoring drives : 1) 10 plays, 63 yds ; 2) 11 plays, 69 yds ; 3) 13 plays, 49 yds ; and 4) xxxxxxx

The knock on Case, going back to last year, was that he hadn't won in 8 games started. That monkey is off his back. And he couldn't handle the blitz. That monkey is off his back.

Getting his timing down with his receivers will come with practice. TD's in the red zone will follow.

We will win next week with Case starting. And then we see how the cards fall.

edit : Oops, that forth play was Baltimore's. Substitute this for Houston's drive : 6 plays, 39 yds.
 
Name a Fitz loss that Case would have won. Otherwise, you are just saying that Case is Fitz. And we all know that Fitz is not the answer for this team.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Case is Fitz.... cheaper too.

Just like it was a mistake to draft XSF... We needed a LG to replace Wade Smith, but Ben Jones was here all along.

The chances of Fitzpatrick playing well enough for us to win (better than he's played in his 10 year career) by week 16 was slim. Chances of Case playing better than he did last year by week 16 was much higher.

Again, I'm not one of those guys saying Case "deserved" or "earned" an opportunity to start this year. I'm saying Fitzpatrick hadn't either. He's been in the league a long time & I'm sure there's something Tom Savage could have learned from that. But not enough, I think, to bring Fitz in for $3M we could roll into next year's cap.
 
Going into the game, I believe there was a large consensus that we would lose this game - the line was certainly not in our favor. We won.

Case has taken some flak for not putting the ball into the end zone. But not mentioned, Case took the offense down the field on four scoring drives : 1) 10 plays, 63 yds ; 2) 11 plays, 69 yds ; 3) 13 plays, 49 yds ; and 4) 9 plays, 76 yds.

The knock on Case, going back to last year, was that he hadn't won in 8 games started. That monkey is off his back. And he couldn't handle the blitz. That monkey is off his back.

Getting his timing down with his receivers will come with practice. TD's in the red zone will follow.

We will win next week with Case starting. And then we see how the cards fall.

Plus, Foster couldn't get into the endzone against that defense. Pretty good game considering the Ravens haven't allowed a 100+ rusher I think the whole season.
 
I messed up on that forth drive, which was actually Baltimore's. I had to edit my post and substituted the correct numbers for our forth drive.
 
Did anybody feel that Newton played really well at RG and XSF was an upgrade over Newton at RT?
 
It made me sad, made me think of how much i liked Kubiak as a person !

Gotta separate Kubiak the coach from Kubiak the person. Kubiak the person is awesome. Kubiak the coach not so much.

After seeing the Ravens offense yesterday I'm glad McNair upgraded at the HC position. Should've happened after the 2010 season.
 
Well, which is it?


If Fitz, Mallet, or even Lewis had that game... we'd all be saying how terrible the QB play was and the defense bailed him out. We'd be talking about the boneheaded interception, low completion percentage, or 6 failed red zone visits.

But if you put everything in context, and consider what Case had to go through this past week, I thought he had a good game.
 
Happy that Case got a W...would be very content with Mallett as the starter, Case as the backup next year.
 
HEAD COACH BILL O’BRIEN
(on what stood out to him about QB Case Keenum yesterday) “He’s a good leader. I mean, he is a good leader. He’s a poised guy. I gave him a lot of credit all week and obviously after the game of, I don’t think that’s an easy thing to walk into a locker room, even though you’ve been in that locker room before, but you haven’t been there for four months. It’s a different team. A lot of things have happened during the year. And you have to walk in there and you’re the starting quarterback and you have to earn back your teammates’ respect, which I think he already had. But I think coming in there and having the recollection of our schemes that he did, was really good. When he got into the huddle, he did a good job. Now he’s got to do it again this week. You’re only as good as your next game. You know what I mean? He’s got to do it again this week, but I give him a lot of credit for the way he carried himself last week.”

(on what stood out to him on tape from QB Case Keenum’s game) “One thing about Case that’s impressed me really from when we had him, I know we released him and brought him back and all those things, just his huddle command: his knowledge, his intelligence, his command at the line of scrimmage. There are some things that we obviously need to improve on just like everybody, coaches and players, we’ve got to do some things better than we did yesterday. I thought with Case, his ability to, I just think it’s hard unless you’re in this business of coaching and playing, for a guy to be able to come in and just go in the huddle and function in the huddle and then get to the line of scrimmage and function at the line of scrimmage, then execute the play having not been here for a while, I think that says a hell of a lot about the guy. I think he did a really good job of all that.”
QUARTERBACK CASE KEENUM
(on what he post game speech to his teammates was like) “You know, I guess first of all I want to start off just saying, I really today have to first and foremost thank my savior Jesus Christ and God. I don’t say that lightly, I want that to be the first thing out of my mouth today. God’s had a plan for my life for a long time, it’s not a coincidence about him guiding me, so I’m extremely thankful to him. I want to make sure that he gets all the glory today. I’m just a pulp sometimes and leaning on him, leaning on God for that sort of stuff. But yeah, today was special man. First of all, the defense played incredible. That’s the best defense I’ve ever seen. The guys around me on offense, that was a lot of fun playing. We had a great plan; the coaches did an incredible job of getting us all ready to go. It was fun. I thought we played well and made the right plays to win. What was that, three turnovers for the defense? That was pretty incredible. After the game I just told the guys, especially the guys that had been around last year, how special, how much this means to me and that I love them.”

(on what he was doing when he got the call from the Texans) “I was in a tree with a bow in my hand, hunting white-tail deer out in a field about 30 minutes outside of Missouri. My wife was texting me actually during the Texans game that Ryan (Fitzpatrick) had gotten hurt and that Tom (Savage) was in there and Shane (Lechler) was warming up. I got a call from my agent and my heart kind of jumped a little bit, and it’s been pretty wild since then.”

(on being away from football when he found out) “Yeah, we had been away on Thursday and had the weekend off, so I was trying to get a few hunts in, and I got one or two but that one was pretty unsuccessful because I was hunting the whole time. I really didn’t care, there probably could have been a 20-pointer walking up and I would have tried, but there were more important things going on at that point.”

(on how it felt to walk off the field a winner for the first time as a Texan) “Like I said on the field, I really can’t put words on it, man. It’s very special. Somebody’s told me before that when you don’t win, that’s what makes winning that much more sweet. It’s very sweet. It feels really, really good.”

(on what it was like to play against his former coach Gary Kubiak) “Yeah, as far as playing against Kub, it really didn’t matter who it was against today. I didn’t think about that, but playing with my guys that I’ve put a lot of time in with, you know training camp and offseason, that was really special. It meant a lot. Pretty much the whole o-line that I played with, Andre (Johnson), DeAndre (Hopkins), Arian (Foster), seeing the defense lining up like that today was pretty fun too.”

(on how difficult it was to come in and learn the offense and the protection from the offensive line) “I think, someone told me a stat that we didn’t have a sack today which was pretty incredible considering the front that Baltimore has and the talent those guys have up there. I don’t remember your question, but it was really pretty incredible protection that we had today, offensive line played incredible.” (on picking up the offense for the second time) “I compared it to taking a couple years of Spanish and if you were to ask me how to say whatever, I wouldn’t be able to tell you, but when you go through and review it again, it comes back. A lot of stuff came back after I reviewed it and went over it again. We had a great gameplan and the coaches did a heck of a job getting us all ready to go.”

(on if he almost ever called any St. Louis plays) “No, I didn’t.”

(on what he was most comfortable with and least comfortable with) “I was comfortable with the offense. If I wasn’t comfortable, the coaches, I told them I wasn’t comfortable with it and we didn’t run it. Every play we ran, I felt good about what was called.”

(on RB Arian Foster saying that Keenum was very emotional after the game) “I’m not the best with me words, so I couldn’t really put it all into words how special it was to me. I know Arian said that he was going to punch me if I cried. No, it means a lot. It’s fun. I love to win. To do it, in the way that it all happened, I go back to God. He’s got a perfect plan and it’s a plan to prosper. I think winning is just kind of a byproduct of how hard we worked. Just being here and playing a game, I’m extremely blessed and honored to be able to do that.”

(on if this was the best football moment of his career) “It’s close, if it’s not. It feels really good. It does. I’ve said it before, I’ve represented the city of Houston for I don’t know how many years and how many games—I know it was 50-something in college and now nine here—I love doing it. I love the fans. It’s been good.

(on if he ever imagined he would be back here when he was with the St. Louis Rams) “I’ve wondered. When Ryan (Mallett) got hurt, I was kind of wondering. But when that didn’t happen, I kind of was like, ‘OK, no. It is what it is,’ so I kind of put it out of my mind.”

(on if he felt the team could’ve executed better in the red zone) “Yeah, you have to give Baltimore credit. They had a heck of a plan down there. But yeah, I like scoring touchdowns. I think Randy (Bullock) was awesome today, but I want to score touchdowns. I’d rather score touchdowns. We definitely need to capitalize on more of those opportunities with the defense getting all those turnovers, especially down there in the red zone.”

(on if he had any input into the offensive gameplan this week) “The coaches, we were in constant communication with what we thought, what the plan of attack was and how we were going to do it. Like I said, if I wasn’t comfortable with something, they weren’t going to run it. We still had an offensive plan and we were able to execute it.”

(on Bill O’Brien’s pregame speech) “I got fired up. I was fired up. That’s probably the most I’ve been fired up in a long time. I didn’t even need it. I was pretty jacked up from the get-go. He brought it to another level.”
 
Bill O'Brien said:
I thought with Case, his ability to, I just think it’s hard unless you’re in this business of coaching and playing, for a guy to be able to come in and just go in the huddle and function in the huddle and then get to the line of scrimmage and function at the line of scrimmage, then execute the play...
Is O'Brien talking to Savage here? "Look, Keenum did this despite being gone all season."

I don't want to get bashed by Keenum lovers (I'm kinda a Keenum lover, too). But, I think Case will be a much better coach than he ever will be a player. I think he'll be a hellava coach one day.
 
One thing that I think that Case did a little better than the other QB's is that he utilized his TE's more. In fact he did a pretty good job of spreading the ball around. But for the TE's, they had an excellent game with five receptions; of course the TD was thrown by Foster and not Case.
 
Is O'Brien talking to Savage here? "Look, Keenum did this despite being gone all season."

I don't want to get bashed by Keenum lovers (I'm kinda a Keenum lover, too). But, I think Case will be a much better coach than he ever will be a player. I think he'll be a hellava coach one day.

i think you might be right. which is probably why i find myself rooting so hard for him. had case been 6'5" and 240lbs with a big arm, he'd probably be settled in as a starter somewhere. as it is, he's a little guy with a passable arm and good accuracy - but his best work is done before the snap. i said earlier in my rant that keenum would work better with o'brien because of the presnap freedom and weekday collaboration, which kubiak builds into the system its self. those things lead me to agree that he may not set the world on fire behind center (though i want him to get a real chance), but he might do a whole lot of good working on the sidelines.
 
Is O'Brien talking to Savage here? "Look, Keenum did this despite being gone all season."

He might have been talking to Fitz... I thought Keenum did a good job mixing between huddling, not huddling, & going into the two minute offense. Things that I think OB has been wanting Fitz to do.
 
He might have been talking to Fitz... I thought Keenum did a good job mixing between huddling, not huddling, & going into the two minute offense. Things that I think OB has been wanting Fitz to do.

You're out of line, buddy...the guy did jack *#$#...it would have been about Fitz's worst game. Fitz had a mid nineties qb rating for the year...Keenum barely cracked 50 and threw 22 incomplete passes. You're posts are getting nonsensical at this point. Anybody who thinks you have any credibility is delusional.
 
You're out of line, buddy...the guy did jack *#$#...it would have been about Fitz's worst game. Fitz had a mid nineties qb rating for the year...Keenum barely cracked 50 and threw 22 incomplete passes. You're posts are getting nonsensical at this point. Anybody who thinks you have any credibility is delusional.

keenum kept the chains moving, doing his job to get in scoring range or at least keep the ravens pinned - something fitz and his rating has failed to do all season. i found it baffling that o'brien would put such a heavy passing load on him in the first place, but keenum did his job and did it with a very weak running attack (and a couple of key drops by hopkins).

TK's a great poster here, and well respected. sure he plays the other side of the fence to stir the pot pretty often lol, but he's a knowledgeable poster and good guy. you might want to tone it down a bit.
 
keenum kept the chains moving, doing his job to get in scoring range or at least keep the ravens pinned - something fitz and his rating has failed to do all season. i found it baffling that o'brien would put such a heavy passing load on him in the first place, but keenum did his job and did it with a very weak running attack (and a couple of key drops by hopkins).



TK's a great poster here, and well respected. sure he plays the other side of the fence to stir the pot pretty often lol, but he's a knowledgeable poster and good guy. you might want to tone it down a bit.


They give up barely anything on the ground and a **** ton in the air. Where would you expect to attack? Kept throwing to loosen the defense. Nothing baffling about it.
 
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