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All encompassing Rick Smith thread

TexansSeminole said:
Blake Bortles would have been the starter and a positive player moving forward.

Allen Robinson, Marquise Lee, and Hurns would have been huge upgrades over what we have now.

Telvin Smith would have been a 3 down startig ILB for us, he's playing well for them.

Aaron Colvin would have been solid DB depth, pass rusher Smith would have been a nice addition as well.

Much better than what we got.
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So you just said that O'Brien (who could have drafted him had he wished) would have started Bortles over Fitzy?
And you think that Robinson, Lee, and Hurns would have started instead of Hopkins and AJ?
And you actually believe that T. Smith would be coming in for Cushing on 3rd down... perhaps but I don't see it.

....maybe you're right... I just don't see it.
 
ObsiWan said:
So you just said that O'Brien (who could have drafted him had he wished) would have started Bortles over Fitzy?
And you think that Robinson, Lee, and Hurns would have started instead of Hopkins and AJ?
And you actually believe that T. Smith would be coming in for Cushing on 3rd down... perhaps but I don't see it.

....maybe you're right... I just don't see it.
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nah, he believes T. Smith would have pushed Cushing to the bench... :kitten:
 
ObsiWan said:
So you just said that O'Brien (who could have drafted him had he wished) would have started Bortles over Fitzy?
And you think that Robinson, Lee, and Hurns would have started instead of Hopkins and AJ?
And you actually believe that T. Smith would be coming in for Cushing on 3rd down... perhaps but I don't see it.

....maybe you're right... I just don't see it.
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I'm not sure what O'Brien would have done at the beginning of the season, but I can tell you that Bortles would have been given the opportunity to play, as Mallett was, and based on what I have seen, I don't see him relinquishing the starting job after that.

Robinson, Lee, and Hurns would be excellent 3, 4 and 5 guys. They would also give us flexibility in what we do with Andre going forward. People are talking about drafting a WR #1 next year but with these guys, they wouldn't be.

Yes, T. Smith would be our best LB right now. By far too. He's a good 3 down player for them and we don't even have 1 guy on our roster that should be playing 3 downs. Cushing is barely a 2 down player. Our depth chart at ILB is like looking at dead men walking. Why we decided to go into the season with undrafted players as either starters or #2s is beyond me. Extremely poor planning by the staff that builds the roster.
 
TexansSeminole said:
To be honest, you'd be hard pressed to find a draft class that produced less than what ours did.
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Check the Patriots' draft class or the Seahawks or the Broncos or hell, even the Lions... how many of those teams' 2014 draft class are starters? If you find more than a couple (per team) that have cracked those starting line-ups I'll be amazed.

I provided links for your convenience.

My point is that if you've got a bunch of rookies busting into your starting lineup then your team was really short on talent the previous year.
 
Runner said:
Like, say, the 2-14 Texans?
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No, not at all. We did a poll around here and I think it is the only unanimous poll in the history of the MB. The 2-14 Texans of 2013 were not as bereft of talent as the 2005 2-14 Texans. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Slight aside, I'm in agreement with your theme of take shots to get a QB, higher the better until you get one. I just wouldn't take it quite as far as you do.

This year I think OB has the hand he has selected in Mallett so I don't expect a 1st two rounds QB pick. What's going to piss me off is if they throw a 3rd or 4th at one. Either pick high or go home.
 
ObsiWan said:
So you just said that O'Brien (who could have drafted him had he wished) would have started Bortles over Fitzy?
And you think that Robinson, Lee, and Hurns would have started instead of Hopkins and AJ?
And you actually believe that T. Smith would be coming in for Cushing on 3rd down... perhaps but I don't see it.

....maybe you're right... I just don't see it.
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One of the biggest needs for the Texans is speed at the WR position. So no, I wouldn't have drafted one of the Jags WR's at 2/1 because I would've picked Garappolo. But taking Robinson or Hurns at 3-1 would've been an option. Even trading up a little bit for Robinson. That guy is going to be a stud.

As it is now The Texans have Fideo and still desperately need speed at WR.
 
infantrycak said:
No, not at all. We did a poll around here and I think it is the only unanimous poll in the history of the MB. The 2-14 Texans of 2013 were not as bereft of talent as the 2005 2-14 Texans. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Slight aside, I'm in agreement with your theme of take shots to get a QB, higher the better until you get one. I just wouldn't take it quite as far as you do.

This year I think OB has the hand he has selected in Mallett so I don't expect a 1st two rounds QB pick. What's going to piss me off is if they throw a 3rd or 4th at one. Either pick high or go home.
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I'm in total agreement with this and think if Mallett gets hurt again/doesn't play well then BOB will move on to Savage and depending how Savage plays will determine how big a need QB is in the 2016 draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
One of the biggest needs for the Texans is speed at the WR position.
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I don't know if this is a thread derail or not. Speed at WR is such an ambiguous term and depending on what you mean over-rated. AJ has NEVER been known in NFL circles as a "speed" WR although he was pre-draft reported at 4.27, 100 yd competitor and outran everyone but Green(?) at the pro bowls when they had that competition. Few of the greats, the HoF WRs, were known as "speed" guys. Rice sure as hell wasn't. Frankly I think if you get known as a "speed" receiver it's because that's all you've got and in the NFL that makes you a distraction (Alvin Harper).
 
steelbtexan said:
One of the biggest needs for the Texans is speed at the WR position. So no, I wouldn't have drafted one of the Jags WR's at 2/1 because I would've picked Garappolo. But taking Robinson or Hurns at 3-1 would've been an option. Even trading up a little bit for Robinson. That guy is going to be a stud.

As it is now The Texans have Fideo and still desperately need speed at WR.
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I preferred Garappolo over Savage and I agree, it wouldn't have been bad to grab him at 2-1. But that would have left RG unaddressed. Maybe that's what we could have done with the Fiedorowicz pick.

Actually Hurns was undrafted so we could have picked him up in the 6th... instead of Blue... no... wait
ummm... in the 7th instead of Andre Hal.... hmmm..
Well, maybe with our supplemental pick in the 7th instead of Ballantine.
 
infantrycak said:
I don't know if this is a thread derail or not. Speed at WR is such an ambiguous term and depending on what you mean over-rated. AJ has NEVER been known in NFL circles as a "speed" WR although he was pre-draft reported at 4.27, 100 yd competitor and outran everyone but Green(?) at the pro bowls when they had that competition. Few of the greats, the HoF WRs, were known as "speed" guys. Rice sure as hell wasn't. Frankly I think if you get known as a "speed" receiver it's because that's all you've got and in the NFL that makes you a distraction (Alvin Harper).
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I think a "speed" receiver is needed to compliment an AJ to pull double teams away due to the fear of being outrun deep

edit: also a "quick" guy at slot would be awfully nice
 
JB said:
I think a "speed" receiver is needed to compliment an AJ to pull double teams away due to the fear of being outrun deep

edit: also a "quick" guy at slot would be awfully nice
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I think you need either a speed or a quick guy for the slot...or a speed #2 as the example I gave can work as well.

Route running and pass catching are far far more important.

On D speed (including instinct speed - yes you DeMeco) kills. On offense speed is a useful distraction tool, great if you can get but a luxury.
 
infantrycak said:
I think you need either a speed or a quick guy for the slot...or a speed #2 as the example I gave can work as well.

Route running and pass catching are far far more important.

On D speed (including instinct speed - yes you DeMeco) kills. On offense speed is a useful distraction tool, great if you can get but a luxury.
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agreed
 
infantrycak said:
This year I think OB has the hand he has selected in Mallett so I don't expect a 1st two rounds QB pick. What's going to piss me off is if they throw a 3rd or 4th at one. Either pick high or go home.
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I wouldn't be so strict about it. I'd be upset if they picked a 3rd/4th round guy.... like Garoppolo; not prototypical size, didn't play in a pro system, didn't play for a major program in a major conference. But if a guy like Mallett, 1st round grade, falls to them in the third or fourth, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all.
 
thunderkyss said:
I wouldn't be so strict about it. I'd be upset if they picked a 3rd/4th round guy.... like Garoppolo; not prototypical size, didn't play in a pro system, didn't play for a major program in a major conference. But if a guy like Mallett, 1st round grade, falls to them in the third or fourth, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all.
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Agreed. I was speaking rule rather than exceptions.

I won't kill them if an Aaron Rodgers fell and they make a "value" pick either.
 
Texian said:
IMO the Texans scouting staffs have achieved a below average performance, especially when compared to other teams who consistently perform well. The scouting staffs should be fired along with their boss Rick Smith.
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Who exactly are these other teams that consistently perform well in the draft? And considering you are saying we are "below average", you'll have to name at least 16 teams for me.

There are no GM's that consistently draft well. Ozzie Newsome is considered one of the best GM's in the league, but take a look at his 2013 draft class... not one starter!
 
dream_team said:
Who exactly are these other teams that consistently perform well in the draft? And considering you are saying we are "below average", you'll have to name at least 16 teams for me.

There are no GM's that consistently draft well. Ozzie Newsome is considered one of the best GM's in the league, but take a look at his 2013 draft class... not one starter!
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And to follow up..Ozzie Newsome, virtually undisputed best GM in the league, brought in our outdated, predictable, figured out offense.

Or people had their heads up there asses.

[joe pesci]I'm going with B.[/pesci]
 
steelbtexan said:
Who should the blame be placed on and why is having a GM as a facilitator a good thing. After all Smith facilitated a 2-14 season and put the team in bad cap shape. It might be that I'm jealous that Smith can be terrible at his job, but still not be held accountable. I wish I was held to the same standards as Smith. I could do a crappy job and make a lot more $$$$.
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He also facilitated a 12-4 season just one year earlier. But both personnel and many cap issues are a result of giving the coaches and owner what they demand. He has been successful as a functionary which is what is expected within THIS organization and THIS owner. I believe it is a good system for the long haul, but others disagree. Some prefer the owner stay completely out of the operations of the team other than giving it an unlimited budget.

But this owner is a fan and wants to give the fans what they want. This resulted in over-committing to free agency a few years ago, but also resulted in a greatly improved secondary.

But many think either everything is great or everybody should be fired. I have worked in organizations like this and it doesn't usually result in long term success. I prefer analysis of individual performance rather than throwing the baby out with the bath water because the water is dirty.

I also think it takes more than 6 starts to rationally evaluate a player's potential unlike many here who only want to jump to erroneous conclusions to support preconceived notions. But that would make ME a problem if I had any power. Many would want 31 teams to have a 100% turnover because those 31 teams didn't have the ONLY success that matters.

I just consider this irrational.
 
infantrycak said:
No, not at all. We did a poll around here and I think it is the only unanimous poll in the history of the MB. The 2-14 Texans of 2013 were not as bereft of talent as the 2005 2-14 Texans. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Slight aside, I'm in agreement with your theme of take shots to get a QB, higher the better until you get one. I just wouldn't take it quite as far as you do.

This year I think OB has the hand he has selected in Mallett so I don't expect a 1st two rounds QB pick. What's going to piss me off is if they throw a 3rd or 4th at one. Either pick high or go home.
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I recommend go home. I really don't think any of the QBs in this draft have the potential of either Mallet or Savage, at least over the next three years. But I'm really the wrong guy to ask when it comes to talent evaluation since I'm an optimist when it comes to football to offset my general pessimism and cynicism about politics.
 
Marshall said:
He also facilitated a 12-4 season just one year earlier. But both personnel and many cap issues are a result of giving the coaches and owner what they demand.
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The thing about our "cap issues"

Before the lock-out, everyone knew there were likely three possible scenarios on how the cap was going to be affected afterwards. Some teams like Dallas & Washington opted to take the riskiest approach & really screwed them selves. Other teams, like the 49ers took the more conservative approach. We went with the middle of the line approach, knowing it might cause issues if the cap did not go up immediately after the lock out.

I'm pretty sure Smith, Kubiak, McNair, & Cal all bought in. They had a window that opened for them at the wrong time & then the cap actually went down, which no one expected.

Now if you made took that gamble without your boss buying in, yes, you should get fired. But the way that click was working, I don't see how McNair could hold it against him.

How effective was he in getting us out of that mess, that should be the gauge McNair judges Smith on.
 
Marshall said:
I recommend go home. I really don't think any of the QBs in this draft have the potential of either Mallet or Savage, at least over the next three years. But I'm really the wrong guy to ask when it comes to talent evaluation since I'm an optimist when it comes to football to offset my general pessimism and cynicism about politics.
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You think Tom Brady is barely worth more than Ryan Fitzpatrick.

[No folks, that statement is not a mistake or exaggeration.]

Sorry if I don't give a **** about your QB evaluations. 3 years is an eternity in the NFL.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm pretty sure Smith, Kubiak, McNair, & Cal all bought in. They had a window that opened for them at the wrong time & then the cap actually went down, which no one expected.

How effective was he in getting us out of that mess, that should be the gauge McNair judges Smith on.
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McNair has said from very early on, "We have the money and we're going to spend it." As long as McNair maintains his WIN NOW mentality and plans more for today and not as much for tomorrow the Texans will continue the same performance pattern and will always have the same salary cap issues.

McNair will not be judging Smith on the mess because it was McNair who created the mess. It was McNair's decision to issue early long term contracts for AJ, Brown, Foster, Cushing, Schaub, Reed. Plus he had to restructure contracts for 3 straight years putting the team further in to the salary cap hole. Like he said, he has the money and he was going to spend it.McNair has gotten exactly what he paid for. McNair needs to think smarter instead of throwing money around. Rest assured these were McNair decisions, not Smith's.
 
Texian said:
McNair has said from very early on, "We have the money and we're going to spend it." As long as McNair maintains his WIN NOW mentality and plans more for today and not as much for tomorrow the Texans will continue the same performance pattern and will always have the same salary cap issues.
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I love the conflicting "I hate McNair" fantasies. SOB is either a cheap bastard or stupidly throwing money for instant gratification.

Y'all need a meeting to get on the same page.

"Hi, I'm Ron from Pasadena..."
 
thunderkyss said:
I thought Texian was a chick...
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But she maintains her ruse:

fat-girl-eating-hot-dogs.jpg


Doesn't the belly ring make you want her? OK have to go...
 
infantrycak said:
You think Tom Brady is barely worth more than Ryan Fitzpatrick.

[No folks, that statement is not a mistake or exaggeration.]

Sorry if I don't give a **** about your QB evaluations. 3 years is an eternity in the NFL.
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I'm not sorry. There is a kind of peace when someone you don't respect doesn't care what you think. It becomes a source of humor to some.
 
playa465 said:
:nolisten: Ohh no, big gurls need their shine too...where's chicagotexan2 when you need him
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please.... feel free to start your own thread on the subject.
 
Rick speaking pretty confidently about being busy from now forward "as the baton gets passed from Bill to me".
 
Let's not get our hopes up. Smith will still be the GM in 2015. Probably gets an extension.
 
‘Tis the season for conflicting NFL reports. One of the biggest for Sunday centers on the Houston Texans.

Jason La Canfora of CBS reports that Texans G.M. Rick Smith could be shifted to a different position in the organization, with a new G.M. arriving for 2015. John McClain of the Houston Chronicle disputes that.

“I’ve spoken to the [four] in front office I trust the most and all shot it down,” McClain said via Twitter. One of the four was Texans vice-chairman Cal McNair.......
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and we all know how accurate Johnny Mac is
 
I remember when he said there was "no way" that Matt Schaub, at the time a restricted free agent with the Falcons, would end up with the Texans.

"Restricted free agents don't get traded," he declared.

Wrong.
 
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