"Eagles Have A Very Talented Player In Connor Barwin"

[Double Barrel]

Meh, there's plenty of teams in this year that would probably be shitloads better on defense with Wade as the DC (Thinking Chicago mostly), and they have a guy as the HC who is probably not getting a second HC job once he is fired. NFL teams make dumb hires for coaching staff all of the time, I don't think it's any slight against Phillips really. Dollars to donuts, he'll be coaching somewhere again, probably 2015.

I would not be surprised if he's back in football next season. He is certainly qualified and has the credentials.

My point was not to disparage Wade. But rather, I was just pointing out that a team has to want his specific defensive scheme because he's not known as a coordinator that is flexible with different types of defenses according to the available talent. He's has a different type of 3-4 defensive scheme than most teams employ (according to his own words), so teams that would hire him must be interested in his specific scheme.

 

[IDEXAN]

In a 3-4 defense, there is a premium for good LBs, especially considering there are four of the on the field. Wade should have been able to figure it out, and that he couldn't/wouldn't speaks volumes about him as a coach and his stubborn attitude about being inflexible with his scheme.

The OLBs are the primary pass-rushers in a 3-4 defense, and that's why we have so much more invested in that position than ILB. Our outside backers include 2 first-rounders, including the #1 overall of the '14 Draft, and a 2nd rounder. DeMecos contract included 21 M guaranteed which is too much
for a part-time player

I know he's a folk hero in Houston, but there is a reason he is not coaching on an NFL team right now. He can blame it on agism, but Dick LeBeau is 77 right now. I like Wade, but he's not perfect, so just being objective about it. Losing Ryans was a mistake for this franchise. Thought it then and still believe it today.

Wade's defense had 2 very successful years in Houston, but the third year was not very successful because the offense was so terrible between it's inability to move the ball/sustain drives and turnovers which time and time again put a fatigued defense back on the field.

 

[Double Barrel]

The OLBs are the primary pass-rushers in a 3-4 defense, and that's why we have so much more invested in that position than ILB. Our outside backers include 2 first-rounders, including the #1 overall of the '14 Draft, and a 2nd rounder. DeMecos contract included 21 M guaranteed which is too much
for a part-time player

You do not seem to understand the differences between Wade's 3-4 schemes and most other 3-4 defenses in the NFL. What does JJ Watt, Bruce Smith, Reggie White, and Bryce Paup have in common?

Then again, you're the guy that does not seem to be able to comprehend JJ Watt's talent, so this is probably a waste of time.

 

[IDEXAN]

You do not seem to understand the differences between Wade's 3-4 schemes and most other 3-4 defenses in the NFL. What does JJ Watt, Bruce Smith, Reggie White, and Bryce Paup have in common?

Mario played OLB (& hand-in-the-dirt DE) in Wade's defense, as did Barwin.
But when Wade was in nickels/dimes I'm pretty sure there was only one inside backer on the field and it wasn't DeMeco Ryans.

Then again, you're the guy that does not seem to be able to comprehend JJ Watt's talent, so this is probably a waste of time.

I think JJ & Ndamukong Suh are the 2 best down lineman in the NFL, and it appears in just a few years JJ has become a perennial all-pro, and that's very high praise, but that's all I got, I'm not ready to call him the second-coming of the Christ child, not yet anyway.

 

[infantrycak]

I would not be surprised if he's back in football next season. He is certainly qualified and has the credentials.

My point was not to disparage Wade. But rather, I was just pointing out that a team has to want his specific defensive scheme because he's not known as a coordinator that is flexible with different types of defenses according to the available talent. He's has a different type of 3-4 defensive scheme than most teams employ (according to his own words), so teams that would hire him must be interested in his specific scheme.

IIRC Wade said he wanted to keep DeMeco but they made the decision on money (after asking him to take a pay cut).

The OLBs are the primary pass-rushers in a 3-4 defense, and that's why we have so much more invested in that position than ILB. Our outside backers include 2 first-rounders, including the #1 overall of the '14 Draft, and a 2nd rounder. DeMecos contract included 21 M guaranteed which is too much
for a part-time player

Put your new toy away. A lump guaranteed money number isn't what you think it is for a number of reasons. It comes in many forms. Signing bonus - already paid so not an ongoing consideration. Base salary - well he's either worth the salary or not, the fact it is guaranteed is not what makes the difference. Look at the structure on DeMeco's contract and they loaded the 1st year and after that left it very reasonable.

 

[paycheck71]

I was livid but pissing into the wind ain't my thing. The company line of he didn't fit was total BS though.

I remember it as being a combination of things. Coming off a major injury, possibly not fitting the scheme, and clearing something like $9MM off the cap the following year.

 

[Texecutioner]

Good grief are people really whining about us not signing Barwin now? What a chicken little hind sight complaint if I ever heard one.

I always liked Barwin when he was here, but I didn't care when he let him go. He was nothing more than an average player at that point. No one in here was shedding tears about that back then, so anyone criticizing Smith about it now is just looking for reasons to bash Smith. And I love bashing Smith, but there are plenty of real reasons to bash that clown other than reaching on some complaint about us not keeping Barwin around here who became a big under achiever.

Glad to see his recent success though.

 

[eriadoc]

Good grief are people really whining about us not signing Barwin now?

No, actually we've taken the opportunity to derail the thread and whine about them trading away Ryans and in general ***** about Rick Smith. Which I'm completely on board with.

 

[beerlover]

Good grief are people really whining about us not signing Barwin now? What a chicken little hind sight complaint if I ever heard one.

I always liked Barwin when he was here, but I didn't care when he let him go. He was nothing more than an average player at that point. No one in here was shedding tears about that back then, so anyone criticizing Smith about it now is just looking for reasons to bash Smith. And I love bashing Smith, but there are plenty of real reasons to bash that clown other than reaching on some complaint about us not keeping Barwin around here who became a big under achiever.

Glad to see his recent success though.

relatively speaking its not new news its old news. crux of matter from beginning is application of talent. Whats news is revelation that someone else can bring consistent results from what was cast away. not indictment of O'Brian but those who came before him & one common thread Rick Smith who doesn't have any accountability or pound table for off season efforts, without instant gratification.

 

[Scooter]

to add a few cents, barwin's work against cam was exactly like wade's use of mercilus as a spy. cam just held the ball for a week as he drifted into barwin's attack range. that's not to discredit barwin, he did his job, but i would like to tone down the love into 'what really happened' status.

this love is similar to the week that brooks reed went unblocked and earned a game ball for not eff'ing that up.