Ummm... I dunno about that. The Tampa / St. Louis game looks like a field goal fest to me. Both teams have serious QB issues. I can see our game being in the 24-20 or 27-17 range if our Def/ST forces some Oakland turnovers.
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Week 2 VS Raiders....Lets Predict ;)
- Thread starter EllisUnit
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I think you can put the Texans and Raiders in that category.
If you say so....
Our defense against a rookie QB...
not to mention A.J. and Hopkins against the Raiders' secondary...?
If Fitzy just can get them the damned ball, they should have a field day.
...yeah, I know... that's kind of a big IF.
I think we're going to see a lot of turnovers, short fields, & easy scoring. Turnovers are huge to Dennis Allen.
Is there a contrasting group of NFL head coaches that think turnovers are no biggie?
Not all coaches teach forcing turnovers the way Allen does.
xtruroyaltyx
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Raiders suck.
MEGA SWATT
All Pro
half right aint too shabby.
xtruroyaltyx
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Hey, I thought there was some rule that said if you stepped out of bounds you couldn't be the first person to touch the ball or some such thing...?
Any closet Zebras out there? What's the ruling?
infantrycak
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The retired ref addressed that and said because he reestablished himself in the field of play it was OK.
I think what made it ok was that he was forced out of bounds. If he went out on his own then reestablished himself, he couldn't be the first to touch it.
infantrycak
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Maybe so, but that wasn't part of the explanation.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Apparently they know more than you, dipshit
Obviously, goodness, they were bad
I tried Googling an answer to that and the closest response was that if the offensive guy was running a pass route and was forced out of bounds by the defender, he could make the catch AFTER he re-established himself by placing both feet back in bounds.
However...
He had already caught the pass and was then a runner who fumbled. That doesn't sound like the same scenario as being a potential receiver.
Where's Mike and Mike (Pereira and Carey) when you need 'em?
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
haha you tell him, i mean yourself.
The Pencil Neck
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If you step out of bounds, the QB can't throw you the football. But in this case, the guy had already been THROWN the football. All he had to do after stepping out of bounds was to get both feet in to re-establish himself in-bounds and then he could recover the ball. Which he did.
That may be... after the catch was made, there was no change of possession, so after stepping back in he's not the "first" person to touch it ...
I don't know.
The Pencil Neck
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The "first person to touch it" is with punts and kick-offs, not fumbles.
A receiver got flagged for it yesterday... can't remember which game. One foot went out of bounds but he got back in to catch the ball. Pretty play, would have been a first, but he got flagged. I think it was Minnesota. I can't remember.
Basically, he becomes an inelegible receiver.
That's different from the Texans scenario where an eligible receiver makes the catch, loses the ball while still in the field of play, then steps out of bounds, reestablishes himself in the field of play, recovers his own fumble, advances it, loses possession again in the field of play where it is then recovered by the opposing defense.
It ought to be a case study.
Crap. I was thinking at least one of those underlined things was a link to the right part of the rule book.Basically, he becomes an inelegible receiver.
That's different from the Texans scenario where an eligible receiver makes the catch, loses the ball while still in the field of play, then steps out of bounds, reestablishes himself in the field of play, recovers his own fumble, advances it, loses possession again in the field of play where it is then recovered by the opposing defense.
It ought to be a case study.
The Pencil Neck
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Like I said in the FIRST response I made, if you go out of bounds, the QB can't throw the ball to you. That's not the "first to touch it" rule, that's the "ineligible receiver" rule.
If you're a gunner on the kick return team and you go out of bounds, at that point, you can't be the first to touch it.
I guess this is what I was thinking about. Jones was basically a player coming in from out of bounds trying to recover a fumble, I thought someone else had to touch the ball before could... unless being the fumbler makes some sort of exception for the ball carrier.
The Pencil Neck
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Nah, that's a totally other thing.
If you go out of bounds on a kick and then come back in-bounds and the ball is laying there, you can't be the first to touch it. Has nothing to do with fumbles or with regular plays.
If there's a fumble, you just have to get both feet in-bounds to be considered in-bounds. if you've only gotten one foot in-bounds and you touch the ball, then the ball is considered out-of-bounds so whoever had possession gets it back at that point.