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badboy said:
Thought Sidbury looked very good in games. I am concerned if Martin makes team he will revert to regular season behavior. We would have to let go of more than 22 if someone comes along we like...
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I paid careful attention to Sidbury this past game, and I didn't think he played too well. I mean it's always hard to evaluate guys from the armchair while watching on TV, so I grant you that, but I thought he was kind of slow - slow afoot, slow to react, and didn't hold the point of attack real well. He was on my cut list after that game.

Now the other guy that they brought in at the same time - Quintin Groves, I think has more than held his own. He still looks like a complimentary edge rusher to me. I think he still has some tread left on the tires and can be the fourth OLB on the roster. In fact, so far I like him better on passing downs than WM who still has yet to reach his potential and may never do so. In any case, I think Groves makes the team.
 
The Kansas City Chiefs, who had the first overall pick last year, signed 11 players using that waiver priority alone between the first round of cuts and Week Four of the regular season. After the cut down to 53 in 2013, the Chiefs brought in a whopping seven new bodies, five of whom ended up being quality contributors.

The Indianapolis Colts claimed 12 players when they were first in line in 2012. Both they and the Chiefs would end up in the playoffs just one season after picking first overall. If Rick Smith and Bill O'Brien pilfer the waiver wire with as much success as Kansas City and Indy, is such a turnaround possible for the Texans? If you believe in Ryan Fitzpatrick being just good enough to not get in the way of a potentially stellar defense, then yes, Houston eliminating Cincinnati in the first round may very well happen once again.
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http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/8...stons-waiver-priority-gives-massive-advantage

Doesn't mean we will...just throwing it out there.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Yeah, it's obviously possible.

I just think that our roster is solid enough that we won't have to do that. I think those teams had even worse depth and talent problems than we do at this point.
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Both of those teams made the play offs that year.

If they had worst depth and talent problems than we do at this point, then we should be in for a very good season.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Both of those teams made the play offs that year.

If they had worst depth and talent problems than we do at this point, then we should be in for a very good season.
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Both had way better QB situations then the Texans currently do. That can cover a lot of roster problems.
 
Errant Hothy said:
Both had way better QB situations then the Texans currently do. That can cover a lot of roster problems.
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Alex Smith. Rookie Andrew Luck.

It's not like they had Brady or Peyton or something.

But if our talent is better than those teams, then it should somewhat balance out with our less than stellar QB play that many people expect to have.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Alex Smith. Rookie Andrew Luck.

It's not like they had Brady or Peyton or something.

But if our talent is better than those teams, then it should somewhat balance out with our less than stellar QB play that many people expect to have.
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Not saying they are, but I think both were better than Fitz is currently. QB play is the great concealer in the NFL, and on the flip side poor QB play can ruin a team no mater how talented they are.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Alex Smith. Rookie Andrew Luck.

It's not like they had Brady or Peyton or something.

But if our talent is better than those teams, then it should somewhat balance out with our less than stellar QB play that many people expect to have.
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I have to admit, I'm just hoping Fitz can be our Alex Smith. If he just doesn't lose us games we might have a chance to make the playoffs. I'm not expecting it, but anything's possible.
 
Errant Hothy said:
Not saying they are, but I think both were better than Fitz is currently. QB play is the great concealer in the NFL, and on the flip side poor QB play can ruin a team no mater how talented they are.
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I disagree with the bolded. If a bad QB can limit turnovers, a talented team can be successful. Good coaching will minimize weaknesses and play to strengths, so there's that to consider.

Turnover ratio, passer differential ratings and PF/PA are what I look at. Be good in those 3 and you'll have a good year.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Alex Smith. Rookie Andrew Luck.

It's not like they had Brady or Peyton or something.

But if our talent is better than those teams, then it should somewhat balance out with our less than stellar QB play that many people expect to have.
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Alex Smith wasn't great but he did have great physical talent to work with and he also didn't turn the ball over ton.

Andrew Luck is also immensely more talented.


Fitz is the exact opposite of both of those guys in those respective areas.

The talent on all teams is about even imo. with that said we shouldn't be looking for anything better than 8-8, 9-7 with this team...will it be enough to make a playoff run...i'm gonna guess no. we won't see a repeat of last year with SD making the playoffs at 8-8.
 
I suspect that since we have a new regime the number from the waiver wire is going to be higher than it normally would be. New management typically likes to bring in "their guys" even if there's no appreciable difference between the old and new.
 
Mr teX said:
Alex Smith wasn't great but he did have great physical talent to work with and he also didn't turn the ball over ton.

Andrew Luck is also immensely more talented.
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Fitz hasn't played this year.

And Andrew Luck being more talented is irrelevant to the actual results of his play. Michael Vick is immensely more talented, but it means nothing if it doesn't translate to results on the field.

Not saying Luck wasn't a big reason they were back in the play offs, but his overall play wasn't elite.

You can look at 8-8 if you want.

I am looking at 10 wins and competing for the division.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Alex Smith. Rookie Andrew Luck.

It's not like they had Brady or Peyton or something.

But if our talent is better than those teams, then it should somewhat balance out with our less than stellar QB play that many people expect to have.
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One had been to the playoffs, the other ended up going and had played in big stage college games - and won.

Yeah, they had a better QB situation than we do now. I mean, do you see a visit to the playoffs behind Fitzpatrick?
 
ObsiWan said:
One had been to the playoffs, the other ended up going and had played in big stage college games - and won.
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What they did in college and in previous years is not relevant to this discussion. Only thing that matters is how they played in that year their team went to the superbowl. Neither were elite.

Yeah, they had a better QB situation than we do now.
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They may have had a better QB situation. Their QB's may end up playing better than Fitz does this year.

I mean, do you see a visit to the playoffs behind Fitzpatrick?
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Yes I do, but that has nothing to do with this.

This is about the talent on the Texans roster vs the talent on the Chiefs and Colts after they had the first pick. PN said that those teams picked up 10+ players because they had a big talent problem.

So a team with a big talent problem was carried to the play-offs because they had Alex Smith at QB?

The Colts with their big talent problem went to the play-offs on the back of rookie Andrew Luck?

Neither of those guys were elite.

I think we have good talent on this team as well and I initially felt like we wouldn't make many wire pick ups. We still may not. I'm not sure.

But if we do, I won't be surprised.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Yes I do, but that has nothing to do with this.

This is about the talent on the Texans roster vs the talent on the Chiefs and Colts after they had the first pick. PN said that those teams picked up 10+ players because they had a big talent problem.

So a team with a big talent problem was carried to the play-offs because they had Alex Smith at QB?

The Colts with their big talent problem went to the play-offs on the back of rookie Andrew Luck?

Neither of those guys were elite.

I think we have good talent on this team as well and I initially felt like we wouldn't make many wire pick ups. We still may not. I'm not sure.

But if we do, I won't be surprised.
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They picked up 10+ players because they had a big talent problem. And by picking up those 10+ players, they went a big way to fixing those talent problems. You're making it sound like they picked up 10+ guys and then they STILL had depth issues.

I think you can find some good depth players getting let loose this last weekend. I don't think you can expect to find a bunch of starters but it all depends on your team's weak spots.

We might be able to nab a good tackle out of this. We might be able to ditch Clabo and push Newton to the swing position. But I'm not expecting to get WRs, TEs, RBs, DBs, or anyone for our front 7 except for POSSIBLY another body for the ILB spot... maybe.

But the most important weakness we have is QB. Normally, if a QB is cut and picked up at this point, they're screwed. They can't start because they haven't had all offseason to pick up the offense and sticking them out there and expecting them to play is crazy.

Unless there's someone who already knows the offense. For us, that could be Mallett. I don't know if he would be an upgrade over Fitz or Keenum, only OB knows that and hopefully he's right with whatever decision he makes on that count.

So, no, I don't see us having the same depth issues that they had and that they probably went a long way to fixing using the waiver wire pickups.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
They picked up 10+ players because they had a big talent problem. And by picking up those 10+ players, they went a big way to fixing those talent problems. You're making it sound like they picked up 10+ guys and then they STILL had depth issues...
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What?

That has nothing to do with anything I've posted. I'm just following some logic, right or wrong.

Those teams went to the play offs. You said they started out at a point having less talent than us. So I asked, do you think that makes us a play off team?

Others brought up the difference in what they believe will be the qb play. I pointed out that in those seasons their qb's were good but they weren't elite or anything.

So...let's round this up...

Two teams with what you believe to have been in a worst position from a talent perspective than we are now, made the play offs. They picked up 10+ players on the wire.

Do you think that the texans, in a better position talent wise, will make the play offs....or at least compete for them? It's just a question.


Side note: I think you're putting too much stock in back end guys knowing the system. If they play at all it will likely be special teams or a few plays where their role is defined. Until they get up to speed.

Only 46 active players on game day, so you could pick up 7 players and not even have to depend on them for anything on game day. You can pick up 3 more and have them in a limited role as I described.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
What?

That has nothing to do with anything I've posted. I'm just following some logic, right or wrong.

Those teams went to the play offs. You said they started out at a point having less talent than us. So I asked, do you think that makes us a play off team?

Others brought up the difference in what they believe will be the qb play. I pointed out that in those seasons their qb's were good but they weren't elite or anything.

So...let's round this up...

Two teams with what you believe to have been in a worst position from a talent perspective than we are now, made the play offs. They picked up 10+ players on the wire.

Do you think that the texans, in a better position talent wise, will make the play offs....or at least compete for them? It's just a question.
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And I never answered that. No. I don't think it makes us a playoff team. Because our weakness is at QB and unless we upgrade that spot through the waiver wire, it will still be our weakness.

Alex Smith is much, much better than Fitzpatrick. A rookie Luck was much, much better than Fitzpatrick.

The strength of our defense and our running game may be enough to get us into the playoffs against a weak schedule. But with a QB like Fitzpatrick, it might not be enough.

Side note: I think you're putting too much stock in back end guys knowing the system. If they play at all it will likely be special teams or a few plays where their role is defined. Until they get up to speed.

Only 46 active players on game day, so you could pick up 7 players and not even have to depend on them for anything on game day. You can pick up 3 more and have them in a limited role as I described.
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The ONLY person I said anything about needing to know the system is the QB. I didn't say anything about back end guys needing to know it.

I don't think a QB can come in without offseason work and learn a system quick enough to be effective without having previous experience in that system.
 
ChampionTexan said:
:mcnugget:
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Exactly.

I wasn't too sure where everyone stood on this. I assumed many people were expecting us to do like the Colts & the Chiefs did & turn over the bottom of our roster.

However, from the replies I've gotten from both of the comments you quoted, it looks like the only people expecting us to do that are not on this MB.

Personally, I think Rick Smith still has a job, because someone likes the work he's done in the past & the bottom of our roster really isn't but a couple of years old.

But, if it does happen, I think it's going to be interesting & exciting.

:popcorn:
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
This is about the talent on the Texans roster vs the talent on the Chiefs and Colts after they had the first pick. PN said that those teams picked up 10+ players because they had a big talent problem.

So a team with a big talent problem was carried to the play-offs because they had Alex Smith at QB?

The Colts with their big talent problem went to the play-offs on the back of rookie Andrew Luck?

Neither of those guys were elite.
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And neither was a hinderance to team success. They were actually a help - especially Luck with his lucky comebacks.

My point was until I see different I feel that Fitzpatrick will be a hinderance to team success. I don't care who we pick up out of other teams' trash piles.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Side note: I think you're putting too much stock in back end guys knowing the system. If they play at all it will likely be special teams or a few plays where their role is defined. Until they get up to speed.

Only 46 active players on game day, so you could pick up 7 players and not even have to depend on them for anything on game day. You can pick up 3 more and have them in a limited role as I described.
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I'm wondering if we are too attached.
 
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 32s

RT @JPalmerCSN: Kicker Chris Boswell was released by the #Texans this morning.
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So that's five cuts so far, right? Opurum, Labhart, Starling, Boswell & Potter? That should put us at 70 right now, with at least 17 more to come.
 
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
Also hearing #Texans plan to keep Ronnie Brown. He'll be a good influence on the younger running backs, which is why I had him in my 53.

Looks like only 3 tight ends for the #Texans' 53. They'd like to keep Anthony Denham for the practice squad
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Boswell, Chris K 6-2 185 R Rice
Denham, Anthony TE 6-4 235 R Utah
Labhart, Travis WR 5-9 182 23 0 Texas A&M
Opurum, Toben RB 6-1 250 23 2 Kansas
Potter, Zach TE 6-7 269 28 4 Nebraska
Starling, Jawanza SAF 6-1 206 23 2 USC
 
I fully expect 4 RB's. You cannot really count on Foster at this point so you don't want to cut the veteran and go into the season with only Grimes/Blue.

O'Brien has said that Foster will play week 1 and I expect that he will, but I'm not counting on him staying healthy at this point. He's been continually dinged up for the last 2 years.
 
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