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The Johnny "Football" Manziel NFL thread

Dan B. said:
What would you tell him if he was your son?
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I'd say, Son I've been in trouble with the law all of my life for all kinds of things that weren't my fault. Your Grand daddy did a spell for selling cocaine that was a frame job by the cops. As a matter of fact, most of your relatives have been profiled by the poe-lease and jailed by judges we couldn't buy...

So do all yer crime close to home, boy, where we can buy you out of it. If you want some powder, ask us -- duh, we all sell the stuff. And while you're here, got a spare ten grand or so for daddy? I wanna new bass boat.

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Dan B. said:
Be a little ironic if Josh Gordon's agent sets the precedent and it blows back on Manziel.
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Indeed it would be......don't be surprised if this comes to be. Most people will probably not remember Travis Henry who was found by the NFL to test marijuana positive and was to be suspended for one year. Claiming that he had experienced a false positive test, he asked the Broncos/Shanahan to allow him to take a lie detector test and a hair test to prove his innocence. He was tested with both and the results for marijuana was submitted to the NFL, which reversed their suspension...........Of course, 10 months later, he was arrested for dealing cocaine. He himself was found to have tested positive for cocaine and was sentenced to three years in the penn. Hair testing positive for cocaine was purported to be on the basis of the original hair sample (also tested for cocaine) and the basis upon which he was initially placed on surveillance in the first place leading to the arrest. There's some irony! :choke:
 
Dan B. said:
What would you tell him if he was your son?
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"Pull your head out of your 4th point of contact (airborne term for ass).

Or you will be cut off from your trust fund and have to live off of your meager NFL contract."


I'm thinking Johnny doesn't take this stuff to seriously. Because unlike 99% of the men in the NFL he doesn't have to worry about finances if he washes out. Football is a hobby/past time to him - that he happens to be good at. Another way to be in the spot light. If he does wash out he still get's to live the playboy life. Hell he can go back to Kerrville or College Station or Austin or Houston and still be treated like a celebrity.
 
I'm rather surprised by comments here. This board has a lot of liberal, pot smoking, recreational drug users who advocate everyone's right to be gay, have abortions, etc. and still no support for Johnny's obvious use of a little powder to liven things up. I would expect more from the "people have the right to do whatever they want" crowd...
 
Pollardized said:
I'm rather surprised by comments here. This board has a lot of liberal, pot smoking, recreational drug users who advocate everyone's right to be gay, have abortions, etc. and still no support for Johnny's obvious use of a little powder to liven things up. I would expect more from the "people have the right to do whatever they want" crowd...
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He has the right to do whatever he wants.

Doesn't look like a guy that wants to be a great NFL player though.
 
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Marcus said:
I'm not proclaiming guarantees of success about anything.

But you apparently are. :shades:
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Nope, just pointing out that the Texans are gambling on Fitz and didn't roll the dice when it fell in their lap. For some reason this makes you pout, but unable to articulate any particular support for any potential QB.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled Manziel bashing.
 
Stemp said:
What's a plausible scenario?

He's messing with a bill in a bathroom before he puts in his wallet or pocket. Maybe a chick gave him her digits on it. Maybe he prepping the cash to slip to a bouncer or a hot chick.
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I agree with your point that there is no actual proof of wrongdoing.
Personally, having seen many, many dollar bills rolled up for the purpose of snorting coke, I am 99.99% sure that is what is happening in the picture. The bill in question actually looks like it has been rolled before since the bottom end is curled up. This is obviously conjecture on my part, but it is a very educated guess, trust me.



Stemp said:
Frankly, it doesn't look like the bill is actually between his fingers since there is either a glare or something else in his hands that is white (like a lighter or something else).
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The above sounds like nothing more than a homeristic defense of JFF. It does actually look like the bill is firmly in his fingers and he is quite obviously in the act of rolling it. Your point about no proof of him doing coke is still valid, but you severely undermine the credibility of your position with nonsense like the above.

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Pollardized said:
I'm rather surprised by comments here. This board has a lot of liberal, pot smoking, recreational drug users who advocate everyone's right to be gay, have abortions, etc. and still no support for Johnny's obvious use of a little powder to liven things up. I would expect more from the "people have the right to do whatever they want" crowd...
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I'm rather surprised that you would support a coke-sniffing womanizing heathen celebrity demon like Johnny Manziel.

Guess that maroon runs deep, 'eh? :fingergun:

Kinda' reminds me of this rant:

“Here’s what I think’s funny about the Johnny Football story, Texas is a really conservative state. We all know that, nothing wrong with that, it’s a very conservative state,” Cowherd said.

He then continued in a redneck voice, “Man, in Texas they don’t like those loose-liven, pot-smoking, never accountable liberals. Those liberals, they break laws, and they lie through their teeth, and they do drugs when they shouldn’t be doing drugs. Those liberals.”

“Yet the state of Texas is defending Johnny Football,” Cowherd noted, “who once spent time in jail for lying to cops.”

“‘Well it’s all a matter of time, and he’s a young stallion,’” he continued in the same redneck voice. “Hypocrite. Come on Texas, you defend conservative values: police, laws, guidelines, borders. That’s who you are. All those A&M hypocrites, lined up, defending, [the man who] lied to cops. ‘Well I mean who doesn’t want to drink in college?’ I think we all probably did, but I wouldn’t have ever lied to cops. Especially if I’m the quarterback for my football team.”

“There’s only one side of the argument to be on: Johnny Football created this whole entire mess.”

“Tough talkin’, rigid, all-about-cops-and-laws Texas, all lining up today, defending a law-breaker, [who] lied to his coach, lied to his teammates, lied to the cops — I thought you were all about accountability in Texas? … And it makes you look like hypocrites,” Cowherd said.

Source
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A tiger cannot change his stripes. :kitten:
 
Pollardized said:
I'm rather surprised by comments here. This board has a lot of liberal, pot smoking, recreational drug users who advocate everyone's right to be gay, have abortions, etc. and still no support for Johnny's obvious use of a little powder to liven things up. I would expect more from the "people have the right to do whatever they want" crowd...
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Again: I have zero issues with him doing cocaine. His life, his business.

I just think he needs to be more discrete about it, and I also think the media needs to stop putting him on a pedestal like he's some war hero and stop making excuses for the things he does.

The guy was a massive drinker in college. No big deal. But, there was no word on the fact that he was underage drinking.

The guy gets a pass on way too much stuff.
 
ESAD2-14 said:
"Pull your head out of your 4th point of contact (airborne term for ass).

Or you will be cut off from your trust fund and have to live off of your meager NFL contract."


I'm thinking Johnny doesn't take this stuff to seriously. Because unlike 99% of the men in the NFL he doesn't have to worry about finances if he washes out. Football is a hobby/past time to him - that he happens to be good at. Another way to be in the spot light. If he does wash out he still get's to live the playboy life. Hell he can go back to Kerrville or College Station or Austin or Houston and still be treated like a celebrity.
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Agree 100 percent. That's what I've been saying: the guy is already a billionaire. If he doesn't make it in football, eh, who cares? That's his attitude. He truly, honestly, does not care about the game of football.
 
houstonspartan said:
Agree 100 percent. That's what I've been saying: the guy is already a billionaire. If he doesn't make it in football, eh, who cares? That's his attitude. He truly, honestly, does not care about the game of football.
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That's a big leap. That's like saying anyone who goes out and parties a lot just don't care about their job. He's not missing practices or workouts. He's still making his appointments to various football related functions. So what, other than the public is inundated with pictures of him everything he goes out, gives evidence he doens't care about football? Anyone who has actually met the guy and talked to him has said the exact opposite: That's he's a partier and likes to have a good time, but when it's time for football he's completely focused.
 
Double Barrel said:
I'm rather surprised that you would support a coke-sniffing womanizing heathen celebrity demon like Johnny Manziel.

Guess that maroon runs deep, 'eh? :fingergun:

Kinda' reminds me of this rant:



A tiger cannot change his stripes. :kitten:
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Not supporting him at all. But I am jealous of the life he gets to live!
 
Playoffs said:
This part I don't agree with. He may not eat/sleep/breath football 24/7 like many of the greats, but I do think he loves the game part of the game. He is a competitor.
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Seem to remember Josh Gordon being quoted to the same. Manziel's inability to stay away from alcohol has been chronicled since his high school days, when having started drinking day one of high school, his father got him a brand new expensive car (and he really wanted that car badly) in exchange for a promise that he would not drink alcohol during his junior or senior year. That lasted ~ 2 months. His dad picked up that car and dropped off an old broken down pick up in exchange. With more money now and lots more affordable temptations (especially IF one is cocaine), Daddy (an upstanding person himself) will not be able to keep him out of trouble regardless of how well he performs on the field..........if you can't stay on the field, even fantasy football does not offer any value.
 
Stemp said:
That's a big leap. That's like saying anyone who goes out and parties a lot just don't care about their job. He's not missing practices or workouts. He's still making his appointments to various football related functions. So what, other than the public is inundated with pictures of him everything he goes out, gives evidence he doens't care about football? Anyone who has actually met the guy and talked to him has said the exact opposite: That's he's a partier and likes to have a good time, but when it's time for football he's completely focused.
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David Carr made all his appointments, practices and workouts. Was he dedicated to being the best QB he could?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Seem to remember Josh Gordon being quoted to the same. Manziel's inability to stay away from alcohol has been chronicled since his high school days, when having started drinking day one of high school, his father got him a brand new expensive car (and he really wanted that car badly) in exchange for a promise that he would not drink alcohol during his junior or senior year. That lasted ~ 2 months. His dad picked up that car and dropped off an old broken down pick up in exchange. With more money now and lots more affordable temptations (especially IF one is cocaine), Daddy (an upstanding person himself) will not be able to keep him out of trouble regardless of how well he performs on the field..........if you can't stay on the field, even fantasy football does not offer any value.
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A buddy of mine had a son at the Manning football camp that Manziel was asked to leave. My friend was there when Manziel showed up, reeking of booze, bloodshot eyes, and clearly feeling the after effects of a long nigh of drinking.

Alcohol is one of those slow but deadly vices. It is rarely a matter of "if", but usually "when" it catches up to you. However, one thing is certain, even elite athletes are not immune from it's potential damaging effects to the mind and body.

With the Manning camp debacle, what should be even more concerning is Manziel's lack of respect for it and his apparent inability to control his partying for even a short period. I have no problem with young dude partying, but there appears to be a compulsiveness associated with Manziel.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
...Manziel's inability to stay away from alcohol has been chronicled since his high school days...
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When you go for treatment for addiction you build something called a genogram, which in this case is a "family tree" that highlights drug & alcohol abuse/addiction, mental illness, criminal histories, and other intra-family abuses. You draw squares & connecting lines and then "fill in" the squares with hashmarks or dashes or shading or horizontal/vertical/angled lines that correspond to the above indicators.

It paints a pretty clear picture for you to see why you may have the potential to have a problem with addictive substances. I don't have the time or information to build JFF's genogram, but from the little I've read it would be informative in this regard. One of the ways you can short-circuit the cycle is to avoid alcohol/drugs before you're 18 years old -- doing so dramatically reduces your chances of later addiction. (But that doesn't appear to be the case here, per your post.)

[IMGwidthsize=600]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1NCQVqaL-i0/TSiqNjSsppI/AAAAAAAAFN8/HBs5oj8DOaE/s1600/Genogram.png[/IMG]

We used to laugh with each other about who had the "darkest" genograms. :barman:
 
Double Barrel said:
A buddy of mine had a son at the Manning football camp that Manziel was asked to leave. My friend was there when Manziel showed up, reeking of booze, bloodshot eyes, and clearly feeling the after effects of a long nigh of drinking.

Alcohol is one of those slow but deadly vices. It is rarely a matter of "if", but usually "when" it catches up to you. However, one thing is certain, even elite athletes are not immune from it's potential damaging effects to the mind and body.

With the Manning camp debacle, what should be even more concerning is Manziel's lack of respect for it and his apparent inability to control his partying for even a short period. I have no problem with young dude partying, but there appears to be a compulsiveness associated with Manziel.
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I dont know if Manziel has a legitimate problem and is an alcoholic. I'm starting to believe that he is either so arrogant that he thinks he can still deliver onthe field despite his partying or he's just plain dumb and immature.
 
Playoffs said:
When you go for treatment for addiction you build something called a genogram, which in this case is a "family tree" that highlights drug & alcohol abuse/addiction, mental illness, criminal histories, and other intra-family abuses. You draw squares & connecting lines and then "fill in" the squares with hashmarks or dashes or shading or horizontal/vertical/angled lines that correspond to the above indicators.

It paints a pretty clear picture for you to see why you may have the potential to have a problem with addictive substances. I don't have the time or information to build JFF's genogram, but from the little I've read it would be informative in this regard. One of the ways you can short-circuit the cycle is to avoid alcohol/drugs before you're 18 years old -- doing so dramatically reduces your chances of later addiction. (But that doesn't appear to be the case here, per your post.)
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Very interesting, Playoffs. It reinforces my gut instinct about addiction cycles and supports my choice to abstain from drinking both as an example as a father, as well as to avoid, you know, an early death.

I come from a long line of alcoholics, and have been on the edge of falling off in my life. But I did not want to repeat my family's mistakes and made a choice.

Johhny Manziel has the world at his fingertips, but it remains to be seen if he controls the "Johnny Football" personae or if Johnny Football controls him. If it is the former, he might be brilliant with regards to marketing, because from where I sit, it appears the latter. And greater players than him have gone down that path and ruined their careers because they were too immature and ignorant to realize what they had before they lost it.

I honestly hope for his sake that he's in full control and this is just part of an act to sell his brand. I'm no fan of the player (see Beiber reference), but as a human being that doesn't seem like a bad guy, I hope he knows what he's doing and doesn't fall off his own edge into the abyss of addiction.
 
Playoffs said:
When you go for treatment for addiction you build something called a genogram, which in this case is a "family tree" that highlights drug & alcohol abuse/addiction, mental illness, criminal histories, and other intra-family abuses. You draw squares & connecting lines and then "fill in" the squares with hashmarks or dashes or shading or horizontal/vertical/angled lines that correspond to the above indicators.

It paints a pretty clear picture for you to see why you may have the potential to have a problem with addictive substances. I don't have the time or information to build JFF's genogram, but from the little I've read it would be informative in this regard. One of the ways you can short-circuit the cycle is to avoid alcohol/drugs before you're 18 years old -- doing so dramatically reduces your chances of later addiction. (But that doesn't appear to be the case here, per your post.)

[IMGwidthsize=600]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1NCQVqaL-i0/TSiqNjSsppI/AAAAAAAAFN8/HBs5oj8DOaE/s1600/Genogram.png[/IMG]

We used to laugh with each other about who had the "darkest" genograms. :barman:
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MSR. Genograms have been recognized for years as quite a useful tool in identifying "problems."
 
Double Barrel said:
Very interesting, Playoffs. It reinforces my gut instinct about addiction cycles and supports my choice to abstain from drinking both as an example as a father, as well as to avoid, you know, an early death.

I come from a long line of alcoholics, and have been on the edge of falling off in my life. But I did not want to repeat my family's mistakes and made a choice.

Johhny Manziel has the world at his fingertips, but it remains to be seen if he controls the "Johnny Football" personae or if Johnny Football controls him. If it is the former, he might be brilliant with regards to marketing, because from where I sit, it appears the latter. And greater players than him have gone down that path and ruined their careers because they were too immature and ignorant to realize what they had before they lost it.

I honestly hope for his sake that he's in full control and this is just part of an act to sell his brand. I'm no fan of the player (see Beiber reference), but as a human being that doesn't seem like a bad guy, I hope he knows what he's doing and doesn't fall off his own edge into the abyss of addiction.
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If "Johnny Football" doesn't die, Johnny Manziel will.
 
EllisUnit said:
That's a very scary chart, i don't think i would have enough patience to do mine, to many lines and to much grey :kitten:
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That's not mine, fyi, just a sample. We scribbled them out by hand back when I did mine.

I had to make some calls back home to get all the info, and first heard about my long lost great Uncle "Bunny"... who ran a whorehouse in Kansas.
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I don't think that JFF is stupid enough do drugs in a public restroom, omg I hope not anyway. However the level of reckless arrogance is unbelievable either way. In this day in time even if he turns out to be a super star, the Kenny Stabler, Jim McMahon, Michael Irvin days of hard partying are no more acceptable than business people doing the three martini lunches except for all afternoon on Fridays of yesteryear.

I was uncomfortable about his behavior when he was excused from the Manning camp last summer and the PR coated explanation. Then fast forward to draft day and all the teams that passed on him. Then at round 16 he fell into the ever gambler Jerry Jones lap. I was connected to an online draft party and the fan who set it up was standing and probably everyone else was anticipating the obvious. Then the Cowboys announced that with the 16th pick, the Cowboys select Zack Martin. After recovering from shock, super fan John Shango replied in a surprised tone, good pick. I agreed, but even with Romo's huge contract wondered what did Jerry know that he passed on JFF after he had been an invited suite guest at at least one of our games. At this point I'm not disappointed with the choice or being spared the distraction and negative publicity that's happening now.
 
If Johnny was under under the influence of something (even liquor) he may not have been thinking straight.

I've been high, drunk before.

Even though you might realize that the actual drugs are not something you want to broadcast, you may not be thinking clearly enough at the time to realize that even if the drugs aren't visible, something like rolling up a dollar bill is going to raise eyebrows.

Also, Ted Johnson said that when he was going through his 'problems' the drugs removed his inhibitions.

I think we all can relate to that on some level. Even if you've just been tipsy...

So yeah...If Manziel had been drinking (or doing drugs), I could totally see him doing drugs in a restroom. Young, white guy, lots of money, lots of fame, currently one of the hottest names out there, lots of women, lots of groupies (male and female), in vegas...Living that life...
 
I love how everyone seems to have formed an opinion on his play before he even takes a snap in a real game.
 
b0ng said:
I wish Broadway Joe was a QB now. Would probably put Manziel to shame with how many headlines he'd grab in the offseason.
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I believe it would be just as likely that if media were as invasive then as it is today, most of the old NFL playboy QBs would have been advised and been smart enough to reassess their decision-making and tether their "ill-advised" activities accordingly.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I believe it would be just as likely that if media were as invasive then as it is today, most of the old NFL playboy QBs would have been advised and been smart enough to reassess their decision-making and tether their "ill-advised" activities accordingly.
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Im not entirely sure Joe Namath would've been the guy to take that sort of directive under advisement. Who knows though, media today is so not what it once was that I don't think either opinion we have is invalid or vice versa.
 
b0ng said:
Im not entirely sure Joe Namath would've been the guy to take that sort of directive under advisement. Who knows though, media today is so not what it once was that I don't think either opinion we have is invalid or vice versa.
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You're probably right, we'll probably never know..........but with today's salaries, bonuses and endorsements, there is much more $$$$$$$ on the line...........a hell of a lot more incentive for a smart player to keep his Sh*t together.......or, at least for the most part, out of sight.

It would also be important to note that there was no NFL Substance Abuse Policy until the early 70's.......and that was to disseminate information only......there was no punitive component. It wasn't until 1982 when drugs became a national sports issue that came to light in public forums that bare bones urine testing was instituted under Rozelle. Then it wasn't until 1986 that there was a more defined extensive drug testing plan instituted. However, it wasn't until 1989 that a comprehensive policy, including defined disciplinary measures were put into place.

For anyone interested in the evolution of the NFL Substance Abuse Policy, I came across this great historical review from the Marquette Sports Law Review that would satisfy any NFL history junkie:

The National Football League's Substance Abuse
Policy: Is Further Conflict Between Players and
Management Inevitable?:
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
You're probably right, we'll probably never know..........but with today's salaries, bonuses and endorsements, there is much more $$$$$$$ on the line...........a hell of a lot more incentive for a smart player to keep his Sh*t together.......or, at least for the most part, out of sight.

It would also be important to note that there was no NFL Substance Abuse Policy until the early 70's.......and that was to disseminate information only......there was no punitive component. It wasn't until 1982 when drugs became a national sports issue that came to light in public forums that bare bones urine testing was instituted under Rozelle. Then it wasn't until 1986 that there was a more defined extensive drug testing plan instituted. However, it wasn't until 1989 that a comprehensive policy, including defined disciplinary measures were put into place.

For anyone interested in the evolution of the NFL Substance Abuse Policy, I came across this great historical review from the Marquette Sports Law Review that would satisfy any NFL history junkie:

The National Football League's Substance Abuse
Policy: Is Further Conflict Between Players and
Management Inevitable?:
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If I were a multimillionaire that wanted to live it up I would hire a personal assistant to scout places before I go in. He'd find me a spot in the corner of the club, stay sober, and keep an eye out for star****ers trying to snap photos. If I wanted to take a leak he'd go in first and make sure no one else is in there, then watch from outside while I do what I want.
 
Cleveland news crew is going to be in kerrville today. They are going to go out to his parents ranch plus goung over to a sports bar and interview people. I was going to go to see how tactful some people will be.

As long as people keep it to his on the field accomplishments i guess
 
Dan B. said:
If I were a multimillionaire that wanted to live it up I would hire a personal assistant to scout places before I go in. He'd find me a spot in the corner of the club, stay sober, and keep an eye out for star****ers trying to snap photos. If I wanted to take a leak he'd go in first and make sure no one else is in there, then watch from outside while I do what I want.
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But, you're not a publicity attention whore like Johnny Manziel, who by many accounts has a publicist that travels with him (according to McClain) and makes sure that TMZESPNNFLN gets a constant feed of information about his "brand".

Many of these players party, but they understand discretion as it pertains to their professional life. Apparently, Johnny Manziel did not stay awake for that part of the rookie symposium.
 
Double Barrel said:
Many of these players party, but they understand discretion as it pertains to their professional life. Apparently, Johnny Manziel did not stay awake for that part of the rookie symposium.
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AJ parties with teammates every Thursday night (and at other times I am sure) and in all his time in Houston we have heard one disgruntled comment about a tip and that's it. Jacoby Jones was regularly in his Thursday night group along with Leach as well.
 
Johnny Not Pro Football has signed an endorsement deal with Snickers. Man i hope this kid fails worse than VY did
 
infantrycak said:
AJ parties with teammates every Thursday night (and at other times I am sure) and in all his time in Houston we have heard one disgruntled comment about a tip and that's it. Jacoby Jones was regularly in his Thursday night group along with Leach as well.
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I can tell you for a fact that Texans players party. But they are very, very, discrete about it.
 
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