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Texans hire Bill O'Brien as HC

thunderkyss said:
I'll believe it when I see it. Anything less than 8-8 against this schedule would mean all this is the honeymoon chatter. I'll believe the culture has been changed when we win those tough close games.

Until then, they're still soft. All this yak about tough & culture change reminds me of the letterman jackets without the props.
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TK, have a hard day Buddy? It may be just chatter, we'll all see it when/if the implosion occurs. He's certainly a hard ass, right now. That's what I personally have been concerned about but I think right now it's a big front. He'll always have a hard edge but I think you'll see a different guy and get different feedback on him.

Just guessin'.
 
It would certainly be nice if someone made a suggestion that when OB has a conference, the Texans would shell out for a microphone arrangement that would allow the watcher/listener to hear the questions presented by the reporters.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It would certainly be nice if someone made a suggestion that when OB has a conference, the Texans would shell out for a microphone arrangement that would allow the watcher/listener to hear the questions presented by the reporters.
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Yeah, that would just be unheard-of-nice. :smiliepalm:
 
thunderkyss said:
I'll believe it when I see it. Anything less than 8-8 against this schedule would mean all this is the honeymoon chatter. I'll believe the culture has been changed when we win those tough close games.



Until then, they're still soft. All this yak about tough & culture change reminds me of the letterman jackets without the props.
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Fair point. But, at the very least, we will see some kind of hardening of this team. Teams tend to take on the personality of its head coach. The way O'Brien comes off, I'm looking forward to a no-bs football team.
 
I'm trying to temper my expectations for O'Brien, but I have to say I like the way he operates. Even if he flames out tragically, he has a vision, a plan and a well thought-out and serious approach to it.
 
houstonspartan said:
Fair point. But, at the very least, we will see some kind of hardening of this team. Teams tend to take on the personality of its head coach. The way O'Brien comes off, I'm looking forward to a no-bs football team.
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Me too... I just think all this reporting about changes to our team's culture is more wishful thinking than actual reporting.

Andre hasn't even shown up yet.
 
thunderkyss said:
Me too... I just think all this reporting about changes to our team's culture is more wishful thinking than actual reporting.

Andre hasn't even shown up yet.
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Andre not showing up yet hardly has anything to do with the change of the team. AJ is one man, and he made his mind up before OTAs. I think we will see a more physical team on Sundays than we saw in the past.
 
EllisUnit said:
Andre not showing up yet hardly has anything to do with the change of the team. AJ is one man, and he made his mind up before OTAs. I think we will see a more physical team on Sundays than we saw in the past.
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There is no doubt the team will be different from what we've been seeing the last few years of the Kubiak regime. I think physical is one of those things, I think a much more aggressive and risk taking defense and a more basic by-the-books offense is in store for us this season.
 
thunderkyss said:
Me too... I just think all this reporting about changes to our team's culture is more wishful thinking than actual reporting.

Andre hasn't even shown up yet.
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I really don't think the culture is that much different. We had a culture of hard work set by the owner and it's still there. Now there is optimism under OB which was also there only one year ago under Kubiak with the exception of those anticipating failure at every turn because of their own personality.

That will continue under any coach because it's not about the coach or the team. It's about the different natures of fans. Some are always optimistic, some are always pessimistic and some fall in the middle to varying degrees. I lean toward the optimistic myself, but not blindly so.
 
Thorn said:
There is no doubt the team will be different from what we've been seeing the last few years of the Kubiak regime. I think physical is one of those things, I think a much more aggressive and risk taking defense and a more basic by-the-books offense is in store for us this season.
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I always wondered why the debate has been between working harder vs working smarter. I prefer working harder AND smarter.
 
EllisUnit said:
Andre not showing up yet hardly has anything to do with the change of the team. AJ is one man, and he made his mind up before OTAs. I think we will see a more physical team on Sundays than we saw in the past.
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We were pretty physical when Kubiak's team was healthy... think way back to Duane Brown cracking James Harrison's skull. Eric Winston mauling folks on the right side. & Arian leading the league in rushing TDs.

The next year, there were some growing pains, but we still ran the ball when we wanted to run the ball, all the way up to a 12-4 season. We were a very physical team on both sides of the ball until Newton got hurt in Detroit & Cushing got hurt, again.

Just getting a healthy Newton & replacing Wade could very well make this the physical team we used to be....... & finally finding a replacement for Vonta Leech.

Remember all the, "We're not soft!!" talk? They don't need to get more "physical" they were already a physical team, that's what I'm trying to say. Meet the new team, same as the old team.

OB will have done something when they win more of those 7 point or less games than not, or when they're not embarrassed in Prime Time, or when they hand someone their arse when they start talking about, "My house"
 
Marshall said:
I really don't think the culture is that much different. We had a culture of hard work set by the owner and it's still there. Now there is optimism under OB which was also there only one year ago under Kubiak with the exception of those anticipating failure at every turn because of their own personality.

That will continue under any coach because it's not about the coach or the team. It's about the different natures of fans. Some are always optimistic, some are always pessimistic and some fall in the middle to varying degrees. I lean toward the optimistic myself, but not blindly so.
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If the culture of the team is the same then why did McNair want a HC that would bring a tougher team. Why is it last offseason McNair said he wantedcthe team to be tougher meantally and physically.

The differences in these HC's philosophies is Kubiak was from the Walsh tree, (Mentally sharp, very little hitting) vs the Parcells,BB tree. BOB (Lots of hitting and an emphasis on ST's)
 
steelbtexan said:
If the culture of the team is the same then why did McNair want a HC that would bring a tougher team. Why is it last offseason McNair said he wantedcthe team to be tougher meantally and physically.

The differences in these HC's philosophies is Kubiak was from the Walsh tree, (Mentally sharp, very little hitting) vs the Parcells,BB tree. BOB (Lots of hitting and an emphasis on ST's)
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They're still in shorts... ain't no culture change.

Hopefully there will be, but little league lockers is all we've got so far.
 
ObsiWan said:
That quote says that we had no real leaders in the locker room to demand that type of effort/discipline/toughness during last season. Perpetual winners have that discipline and drive to excel from within themselves.

And since O'Brien hasn't really brought in anyone of note...
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Sounds more to me the prior staff didn't hold the team to the highest standard. Leadership starts at the top, and player-friendly decisions might not be in the best interest of the team.

One thing you read over & again from new players on SEA & NE is comments on how hard they practice....
“They work their butts off in New England,’’ Revis told the Tampa Tribune. “As soon as you get into the offseason program, it’s non-stop."
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JD on OB...
He's very different than any coach I've ever had...

He's the first coach to ever challenge me to be greater than what I already am. All the other coaches that coached me knew I was good as a player, but they just let me do my own thing. He challenged me to be greater than what I am. I love it, man.

He pushes me every day... to take a leadership role. Something I really haven't did coming up.... just do everything the right way. I couldn't ask for a better coach. I like it. He's hard, he's tough, but he's a good coach.
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http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...s-Impact/cd1b58d1-72f2-4eb8-ab4b-2a7858bcaf9b
 
ObsiWan said:
That quote says that we had no real leaders in the locker room to demand that type of effort/discipline/toughness during last season. Perpetual winners have that discipline and drive to excel from within themselves.

And since O'Brien hasn't really brought in anyone of note (and that's stretching it) but Fitzpatrick....
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Yep. I saw all I needed to see when this team's coach had a stroke, and instead of rallying back for the coach they claimed to loved, they blew it. That Indy game told me all I needed to know about the 2013 Texans.
 
I really hate this guy for all his "team first, winning is everything" mentality. Kubes come back please :kitten:

^^^^
That was a joke so i do not get crucified by the TT cult
 
So is Foster saying everything about the Kubiak regime wasn't about winning and if so what other agendas were there?

I think Foster is just spouting off more crap. When it's late in the 4th qtr of a close game if the Texans can stay disciplined and win the game then these statements will be more than words. A situation the Texans failed at many times last yr.

Foster also said he understood why AJ wanted to leave. (To be on a winner) So Arian are you saying the Texans are going to be losers next yr? Which is it Arian? More of Foster's pseudo intellectual BS. IMHO

Shut up and prove it on the field.
 
steelbtexan said:
So is Foster saying everything about the Kubiak regime wasn't about winning and if so what other agendas were there?

I think Foster is just spouting off more crap. When it's late in the 4th qtr of a close game if the Texans can stay disciplined and win the game then these statements will be more than words. A situation the Texans failed at many times last yr.

Foster also said he understood why AJ wanted to leave. (To be on a winner) So Arian are you saying the Texans are going to be losers next yr? Which is it Arian? More of Foster's pseudo intellectual BS. IMHO

Shut up and prove it on the field.
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That whimsical pr!k! Dust 'im now!

steelb, I think he was just speaking his mind. I didn't have a problem with what he said really. I didn't find it contradictory nor inflammatory.

You did? If so, why?
 
Playoffs said:
http://www.csnhouston.com/football-houston-texans/talk/foster-believes-texans-mentality-has-changed
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Foster, who has played his entire career with the Texans, claimed he’s been in bad NFL locker rooms in the past. But also said he believes the new coaching staff has brought new life to the Texans. Foster said Bill O’Brien has a saying that contains an explicative, but basically states, “Everything we do is pointed toward winning”.
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Hmmmm......wonder when that was?
 
steelbtexan said:
So is Foster saying everything about the Kubiak regime wasn't about winning and if so what other agendas were there?

I think Foster is just spouting off more crap. When it's late in the 4th qtr of a close game if the Texans can stay disciplined and win the game then these statements will be more than words. A situation the Texans failed at many times last yr.

Foster also said he understood why AJ wanted to leave. (To be on a winner) So Arian are you saying the Texans are going to be losers next yr? Which is it Arian? More of Foster's pseudo intellectual BS. IMHO

Shut up and prove it on the field.
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One agenda was doing all he could to make his draft picks look good when they obviously weren't, we also have the Kubiak and Schaub love fest. I think his biggest agenda was trying to piss us Texans fans off, and he was quite good at it :kitten:
 
drs23 said:
That whimsical pr!k! Dust 'im now!

steelb, I think he was just speaking his mind. I didn't have a problem with what he said really. I didn't find it contradictory nor inflammatory.

You did? If so, why?
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I think that saying BOB is bringing a new winning attitude in one breath and saying AJ wants to play on a winner in the next breath is being quite contradictory.

If he was just speaking his mind what was he saying? He went on to speak about the Texans having a bad lockerroom and I would think being a clubhouse lawyer that Foster obviously is could be a big part of these problems.

Besides I thought one of Kubiaks strengths was having a great lockerroom. I guess Foster disagrees with that sentiment. Or Foster could just be full of it.
 
steelbtexan said:
I think that saying BOB is bringing a new winning attitude in one breath and saying AJ wants to play on a winner in the next breath is being quite contradictory.

If he was just speaking his mind what was he saying? He went on to speak about the Texans having a bad lockerroom and I would think being a clubhouse lawyer that Foster obviously is could be a big part of these problems.

Besides I thought one of Kubiaks strengths was having a great lockerroom. I guess Foster disagrees with that sentiment. Or Foster could just be full of it.
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I would think that a locker room with Ed Reed critiquing the coaches is kinda bad.
How about after the game in which Schaub lashed out at AJ?

How about 2010, when the D kept inventing new way to blow a game?

For sure, the Vols locker room wasn't conducive to winning at the time.
 
steelbtexan said:
I think that saying BOB is bringing a new winning attitude in one breath and saying AJ wants to play on a winner in the next breath is being quite contradictory.
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AJ has experienced three winning seasons in 11 years. He sees the Texans in rebuild mode right now, and understanding McNair's cat-like patience, he knows this could be a 4-5 year plan. AJ does not have that kind of time left in his career.

Foster is just keeping a positive attitude about his new coach. He's not living in the past, but looking ahead simply because what else can he do? He hopes O'Brien is bringing a "winning attitude" to the Texans, but we all know that the proof is in the pudding. They have to actually win games for it to truly be a "winning attitude".

I do not see how these things are incompatible. You've also got to factor in individual players will have different perspectives. AJ wants to win NOW, like in 2014. O'Brien has a much longer time frame because of the obvious rebuild. A 7-9 season is an improvement over last year, but it is certainly far from what AJ most likely wants in his last years of his career.
 
steelbtexan said:
Foster also said he understood why AJ wanted to leave. (To be on a winner) So Arian are you saying the Texans are going to be losers next yr? Which is it Arian? More of Foster's pseudo intellectual BS. IMHO

Shut up and prove it on the field.
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That's how I feel about all this "new culture" "bringing toughness" "being more physical" talk is. The whole thing has seemed overly cliche to me since OB got here.

I love the Texans, will root for them every day, continue to buy my season tickets, etc... etc...

But so far, I think they're all talking too much.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's how I feel about all this "new culture" "bringing toughness" "being more physical" talk is. The whole thing has seemed overly cliche to me since OB got here.

I love the Texans, will root for them every day, continue to buy my season tickets, etc... etc...

But so far, I think they're all talking too much.
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The simple fact is that it's all just talk until 12:00 p.m. on September 7th.
 
steelbtexan said:
Foster also said he understood why AJ wanted to leave. (To be on a winner) So Arian are you saying the Texans are going to be losers next yr? Which is it Arian? More of Foster's pseudo intellectual BS. IMHO
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What do you think?
Do you believe the Texans will have a winning record in the 2014 season?
yes or no?
 
ObsiWan said:
What do you think?
Do you believe the Texans will have a winning record in the 2014 season?
yes or no?
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I wouldn't put $$$$ on it

But YES I do think the Texans can have a winning record if the get everbody back healthy and playing at 100% and avoid the injury bug.
 
steelbtexan said:
I wouldn't put $$$$ on it

But YES I do think the Texans can have a winning record if the get everbody back healthy and playing at 100% and avoid the injury bug.
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See, here's the thing. A.J. believes the answer is "no". So he wants outta here.
Foster is more positive in saying that if the team doesn't get down at the first bump in the road, the answer is "yes". We can get back to being a winning team again.

but I didn't ask you about what "CAN" happen...
I asked you what do you honestly think WILL happen?

Do you believe they WILL have a winning record?
yes or no?
:)

and in the interest of full disclosure, I say "no".
Don't misunderstand me. I'm not wishing for a losing season in any way. I'm predicting a losing season.
Why?
- the history of coaches from the Belichick tree gives me no reason for optimism.
- Fitzpatrick is our QB.
- RAC is putting in an entirely new defense and I'm not sure he has all the pieces he needs to make it work. Especially at ILB.

I ain't saying that we will be drafting in the top five again; I just see another season under .500. Say 6-10 or 7-9.

I'll be elated if I'm wrong.

...and I used to be a card-carrying Sunshine Club member.
 
I'm in agreement with you Obiswan, for all the same reasons. I'd add, I don't feel O'Brien is our coach of the future, nor do I feel his style of offense is the future of the NFL. We can't keep tying our team to others ideas and concepts, we need an innovator, not the same old crap regurgitated from someone else's scheme. From Denver South, to New England South (minus Tom Brady)... how about we be the team with the new ideas for once?
 
FirstTexansFan said:
I'm in agreement with you Obiswan, for all the same reasons. I'd add, I don't feel O'Brien is our coach of the future, nor do I feel his style of offense is the future of the NFL. We can't keep tying our team to others ideas and concepts, we need an innovator, not the same old crap regurgitated from someone else's scheme. From Denver South, to New England South (minus Tom Brady)... how about we be the team with the new ideas for once?
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I would atleast wait to see how his first season goes before dismissing him.
 
I've been through many years of warmed over crap, always optimistic, always a sunshine pumper.... I hope I'm wrong, but maybe if I'll just dismiss him now, I won't be disappointed then... we all handle GRIEF differently LOL
 
EllisUnit said:
Yes me as well, and i think we win the division also. I know it sounds crazy with a new coach, fitzmagic, no Andre as of now but i am really positive about this up coming season.
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Call me crazy but with Andre we have had two, 2-14 seasons, and two playoff appearances, so having or not having AJ in the line up doesn't matter to me.

Lets go Texans1
 
TEXANRED said:
Call me crazy but with Andre we have had two, 2-14 seasons, and two playoff appearances, so having or not having AJ in the line up doesn't matter to me.

Lets go Texans1
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Very true, i never thought about it like that. Maybe or offense will be better because then the defense wont know 100% where we are going with the ball :kitten:
 
If we win 6 games I will probably be satisfied with the first season. After that there should be improvement or BOB will have to answer for it.

Conversely fewer wins and I think BOB still gets a pass his first year (unless we lose every game or something) but his seat is much hotter. More wins (7+) and my optimism will begin to grow. If we pull 9-7 or 10-6 I will consider it a significant achievement by BOB... not to mention that could be enough for a wildcard entry into the playoffs.
 
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