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All Encompassing Andre Johnson Thread (Just got some disturbing news about A Johnson)

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houstonspartan said:
Sweet jesus, the "provide a link" gauntlet. Google it. He said that he'd probably trade the number one pick, but that Manziel is an exciting player. No, that is not flat-out saying he wants to play for him, but it's not that hard of a reach.

I love Andre, but, if he wants to go, GO. If he's sick of losing, I definitely respect and understand that, but, he should have made his thoughts known to Gary loser Kubiak.
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Sweet Jesus? Are you dating my gardener? So even though you admit Johnson never said he loved Manziel or wanted to play with him, you want me to Google something that was never said and wade through a bunch of articles that do not contain the information you asserted? Thanks, but I have more important things to do. If you made the assertion, you are responsible for backing it up.

TexansFight said:
Have y'all seen this:

Texans Bias @TexansBias

Word around the league is Andre wants a black quarterback or he won't play for the Texans. Texans will be taking a good look at Vince Young

Texans Bias @TexansBias

Byron Leftwich will be privately working out for the Texans by the end of the week. #Texans #NFL
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Let me guess... @TexansBias is black?

ChampionTexan said:
Wanna see another Andre quote? (Well, okay, technically not another since you didn't actually provide one).

LINK

Now here's "another" Andre Quote:

LINK

I don't see that much difference between them (the first is about Case BTW).

I think reading anything into an athlete's response to one specific question is almost always a reach. If Andre wanted make his love for Manziel known, I don't think you'd currently be making excuses about a fairly standard request (at this board anyway) for a link.
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Great post!

houstonspartan knew he was reaching in the first place and that is why he did not provide a link initially. We all know most players say nice things about each other to the media when asked. Would not make much sense to criticize Manziel since there was a chance, even though it was a small chance the Texans might draft Manziel. Would not have been very smart on AJ's part to start that relationship off with criticism. If he truly loved, and wanted to play with Manziel, he would have been seeking out the media, commenting endlessly about how nice it would be to play with Manziel.

I have changed my mind and now believe that it probably is all about money as some have suggested recently, nothing more. He is not making as much as his peers and he wants more. I say give it to him, make him happy and move on. Don't need distractions like this with a new HC, new system and new players as the season looms. And yes I understand the message it sends to other players, but when they start performing like AJ, they can ask for special treatment too. Until then play football and prove you are worth the money. Who can deny AJ is worth the money?
 
Nitrofish said:
Sweet Jesus? Are you dating my gardener? So even though you admit Johnson never said he loved Manziel or wanted to play with him, you want me to Google something that was never said and wade through a bunch of articles that do not contain the information you asserted? Thanks, but I have more important things to do. If you made the assertion, you are responsible for backing it up.



Let me guess... @TexansBias is black?



Great post!

houstonspartan knew he was reaching in the first place and that is why he did not provide a link initially. We all know most players say nice things about each other to the media when asked. Would not make much sense to criticize Manziel since there was a chance, even though it was a small chance the Texans might draft Manziel. Would not have been very smart on AJ's part to start that relationship off with criticism. If he truly loved, and wanted to play with Manziel, he would have been seeking out the media, commenting endlessly about how nice it would be to play with Manziel.

I have changed my mind and now believe that it probably is all about money as some have suggested recently, nothing more. He is not making as much as his peers and he wants more. I say give it to him, make him happy and move on. Don't need distractions like this with a new HC, new system and new players as the season looms. And yes I understand the message it sends to other players, but when they start performing like AJ, they can ask for special treatment too. Until then play football and prove you are worth the money. Who can deny AJ is worth the money?
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Well he might be worth $10 m base + $1 m roster bonus but how much more? If you want to pay him more to make up for what he was not paid for great seasons well that is one thing but to pay him more for 2014 with our QBs and probable offensive scheme I think that might be hard to swallow. Guarantee money is way to go if you want to sweeten his desire to play.
 
What the hell are you guys talking about? If Johnson was so in love with Manziel then why did he say we should trade out of the number one spot?
 
houstonspartan said:
Sweet jesus, the "provide a link" gauntlet. Google it. He said that he'd probably trade the number one pick, but that Manziel is an exciting player. No, that is not flat-out saying he wants to play for him, but it's not that hard of a reach.

I love Andre, but, if he wants to go, GO. If he's sick of losing, I definitely respect and understand that, but, he should have made his thoughts known to Gary loser Kubiak.
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I think Andre is upset because they're not handing the job to Keenum.

He had a pretty good year with Keenum throwing him the ball for 8 games. He became a scoring threat finally & he's probably been biting his lip this whole time because he was "being a team guy" taking one for the team, again & again & again.

He wants the ball & he wants Keenum to give it to him & the Texans bring in Fitzpatrick supposedly to start?? Then they're talking about maybe replacing him with a 4th round never was??

Shouldn't be a competition. Fix the OL, get Arian healthy, & put Case in the game.
 
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Nitrofish said:
I have changed my mind and now believe that it probably is all about money as some have suggested recently, nothing more. He is not making as much as his peers and he wants more.
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He's getting paid just as much as any receiver out there. He's got a $10M salary coming up this year. $10.5M next & $11.5M in 2016. That's some serious change & not many receivers are getting more salary wise.

But athletes don't care about that. All they care about is guaranteed money.

How much guaranteed money do you want to give him? The more you give him, the more you're going to be tied to him. It takes away the incentive for the team to cut him, it makes cutting him prohibited.

I'm with you, I'd give it to him. I have no intentions of cutting him in the next three years. But I'd be worried about him wanting to retire in the next two. Give him that guaranteed money, go 4-12 in 2014, he decides to retire & you're stuck with a bunch of dead money for 2015.
 
Lucky said:
Tony Banks
Shane Boyd
Quinn Gray
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I think tony banks is the only one to have been on the roster during regular season, the other two were just with the team during off-season or they were on practice squad.

But I could be wrong.

Also, Tony is the only one with a superbowl ring :)
 
Lucky said:
Tony Banks
Shane Boyd
Quinn Gray

Which two of these three QBs do you not consider to be black?
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I have never seen anyone who was actually black ... but then again, I have never arrived at the scene after a fatal house fire either.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think Andre is upset because they're not handing the job to Keenum.

He had a pretty good year with Keenum throwing him the ball for 8 games. He became a scoring threat finally & he's probably been biting his lip this whole time because he was "being a team guy" taking one for the team, again & again & again.

He wants the ball & he wants Keenum to give it to him & the Texans bring in Fitzgerald supposedly to start?? Then they're talking about maybe replacing him with a 4th round never was??

Shouldn't be a competition. Fix the OL, get Arian healthy, & put Case in the game.
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What's with all the Case love? Case was garbage after the first couple of games.
 
sandman said:
3 were in one game. That is 2 TD's in the other seven. Not the best argument to make for Keenum starting.
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I wasnt trying to suggest that his TD's to AJ were a reason for him to start. Starting QB will be determined by how well these QBs handle Bill's offense in training camp. Not on past achievements or statistics.

I was merely pointing out that Keenum at least knows how to get the ball to our best offensive weapon.
 
I think too much is being read between the lines and assumed based on subjective opinions.

The man said he is tired of losing, so why can't it just be that he's tired of losing?

3 winning seasons in 11 years. I'd get tired of that crap, too.

Occam's razor.
 
Blake said:
I wasnt trying to suggest that his TD's to AJ were a reason for him to start. Starting QB will be determined by how well these QBs handle Bill's offense in training camp. Not on past achievements or statistics.

I was merely pointing out that Keenum at least knows how to get the ball to our best offensive weapon.
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Understood. But AJ has not had a double digit TD season in his entire career, so that was more about the system (think Kubes loving TE sets in the RZ) than it was about #8's being able to find him in the end zone. If you look at AJ's career stats (minus the TD's), it pretty clear the #8's knew how to get him the ball. AJ wasn't going to all of a sudden start getting 15-18 TD's a season because of CK. Because... the system.
 
Double Barrel said:
I think too much is being read between the lines and assumed based on subjective opinions.

The man said he is tired of losing, so why can't it just be that he's tired of losing?

3 winning seasons in 11 years. I'd get tired of that crap, too.

Occam's razor.
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Because Schaub is no longer here and the mob needs someone to crucify. JJ Watt's time will one day come.
 
Double Barrel said:
I think too much is being read between the lines and assumed based on subjective opinions.

The man said he is tired of losing, so why can't it just be that he's tired of losing?

3 winning seasons in 11 years. I'd get tired of that crap, too.

Occam's razor.
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AJ knew he was being drafted by an expansion team, and I'm not saying that I know what he is thinking, because none of us do, but I doubt he is holding 2003-06 over the heads of the Texans as much as we as fans are. And I would say that he probably wasn't "tired of that crap" after the last two seasons with divisional titles and playoff wins.

But I do think he is frustrated with the step back that THIS season was compared to the trajectory that they were on, as well as some of the off season decisions that have been made. IMHO, of course.
 
sandman said:
AJ knew he was being drafted by an expansion team, and I'm not saying that I know what he is thinking, because none of us do, but I doubt he is holding 2003-06 over the heads of the Texans as much as we as fans are. And I would say that he probably wasn't "tired of that crap" after the last two seasons with divisional titles and playoff wins.

But I do think he is frustrated with the step back that THIS season was compared to the trajectory that they were on, as well as some of the off season decisions that have been made. IMHO, of course.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. This is almost entirely about the step down we took this season. If we had a winning record this season he wouldn't be saying this stuff, and the only thing that changes is one season.

htownfan32 said:
Le 4chins ebin green arrow text maymay XDDDDDDDDD

I'm just kidding, it was actually entertaining to see it on this board.
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Gutsy for all you /b/ people to be outing yourselves on a forum where you're actually trying to be respected.

:kitten:
 
revan said:
Because Schaub is no longer here and the mob needs someone to crucify. JJ Watt's time will one day come.
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I think I read somewhere in this thread where a poster was all "Pfft! He doesn't even have HOF stats!" as a reason to start unloading on him.

Never mind that one more season of his career averages and he is well within the top 10 all time for both receptions and yards. Never mind the various NFL records that he holds or shares for 1500 yard seasons, 100+ catch seasons, 10/100 games and so forth.

Nope, now that he might not want to play for the hometown team anymore, he is Just Another Guy.
 
sandman said:
AJ knew he was being drafted by an expansion team, and I'm not saying that I know what he is thinking, because none of us do, but I doubt he is holding 2003-06 over the heads of the Texans as much as we as fans are. And I would say that he probably wasn't "tired of that crap" after the last two seasons with divisional titles and playoff wins.

But I do think he is frustrated with the step back that THIS season was compared to the trajectory that they were on, as well as some of the off season decisions that have been made. IMHO, of course.
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I think AJ's comments are based on his perspective of his entire career.

It's not that he's holding anything against the franchise or organization, but the cumulative effect of experiencing so many losing seasons.

The two playoff seasons obviously gave him hope, but then to experience another 2-14 season in his career along with the obligatory regime chance, it sounds like all of it is catching up to him.

That's all I'm pointing out, because this perspective can easily be supported by what AJ actually said. Anything else regarding money, black QBs, Manziel, etc., is purely subjective and is reading into his words things that were never said.
 
Blake said:
I wasnt trying to suggest that his TD's to AJ were a reason for him to start. Starting QB will be determined by how well these QBs handle Bill's offense in training camp. Not on past achievements or statistics.

I was merely pointing out that Keenum at least knows how to get the ball to our best offensive weapon.
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By that logic Schaub won 2 games to Keenum's 0 games won. Does AJ care more about winning or TDs?
 
Double Barrel said:
I think AJ's comments are based on his perspective of his entire career.

It's not that he's holding anything against the franchise or organization, but the cumulative effect of experiencing so many losing seasons.

The two playoff seasons obviously gave him hope, but then to experience another 2-14 season in his career along with the obligatory regime chance, it sounds like all of it is catching up to him.

That's all I'm pointing out, because this perspective can easily be supported by what AJ actually said. Anything else regarding money, black QBs, Manziel, etc., is purely subjective and is reading into his words things that were never said.
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I agree.

It is interesting that 90% of the fan base, when something like this occurs, has to create a narrative to make the person out to be a villain or a hero.

AJ has been a great player, demonstrated unusually high character (especially for a WR), and is struggling to cope with last year's disappointment and the discomfort of change. We don't need to turn this into a war of ethics between AJ and the Texans.

All that being said, I think the Texans should move him if they can get some value for him. As last year illustrated (along with 2011), he is not the key variable for this team's ability to win. Given his age, declining athleticism due to injuries, and expensive cap figure, getting out from under his contract does not seem like a bad idea to me... Not only would we enter next season with extra draft picks from the trade (I'm guessing we could get a 2nd or 3rd in addition to a late round conditional pick), but we will have about $15 million more cap space to work with heading into 2015 and also for 2016.
 
Porky said:
What's with all the Case love? Case was garbage after the first couple of games.
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Trust me, I'm killing Case in other threads.

I'm just throwing out my "silly scenario for things Andre never said" out there. Everybody else is.
 
DBCooper said:
I think I love you Thorn...........
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Ummm.......dude, I troll this board for a lot of things, but not that.

Oh good lord, I was searching for the perfect smilie for that and I found this:
:mcclain:

Which of you mods put a Satan smilie out there?
 
Thorn said:
Ummm.......dude, I troll this board for a lot of things, but not that.

Oh good lord, I was searching for the perfect smilie for that and I found this:
:mcclain:

Which of you mods put a Satan smilie out there?
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What if I was Lauren?
 
DocBar said:
He'd be dry humping your leg. Purely on rep.
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NCTexan said:
Gutsy for all you /b/ people to be outing yourselves on a forum where you're actually trying to be respected.

:kitten:
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HEY!



I browse /tv/

:kitten:

that might actually be worse than /b/ these days, since it's devolved into nothing but 24/7 Bane and TDKR threads
 
Double Barrel said:
I think too much is being read between the lines and assumed based on subjective opinions.

The man said he is tired of losing, so why can't it just be that he's tired of losing?

3 winning seasons in 11 years. I'd get tired of that crap, too.

Occam's razor.
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And got paid after his uncle did a bad deal when McNair didn't have to redo his deal. Sucking up the cap so you cant be competitive in FA and then wanting to walk on your team when things don't work out =

A. Tough Titty
B. Wanting even more $$$$

Either way screw AJ on this one. McNair/Smith (His lackey) are right in holding the line. I can actually see how McNair can feel like AJ betrayed him and that AJ is behaving like a petulant child. Truth is this situation between AJ & McNair comes down to $$$$. Which is what it always comes down to in the professional sports leagues.
 
revan said:
Because Schaub is no longer here and the mob needs someone to crucify. JJ Watt's time will one day come.
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Hopefully after 12 yrs and 100 mil Watt will be a little more appreciatve than AJ.

Watt will make over 100 mil if he stays healthy.
 
dalemurphy said:
I agree.

It is interesting that 90% of the fan base, when something like this occurs, has to create a narrative to make the person out to be a villain or a hero.

AJ has been a great player, demonstrated unusually high character (especially for a WR), and is struggling to cope with last year's disappointment and the discomfort of change. We don't need to turn this into a war of ethics between AJ and the Texans.

All that being said, I think the Texans should move him if they can get some value for him. As last year illustrated (along with 2011), he is not the key variable for this team's ability to win. Given his age, declining athleticism due to injuries, and expensive cap figure, getting out from under his contract does not seem like a bad idea to me... Not only would we enter next season with extra draft picks from the trade (I'm guessing we could get a 2nd or 3rd in addition to a late round conditional pick), but we will have about $15 million more cap space to work with heading into 2015 and also for 2016.
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Agreed

Moral of the story is spending your cap $$$$ on the WR position is never a great idea. regardless of how great the WR is. Name the last SB that the #1 WR in the NFL has won a SB after Rice?
 
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