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Keenum, is this another case of Chris Myers and KJax?

Hervoyel said:
It should be noted that Schaub became a starter after watching for three seasons behind Michael Vick in Atlanta. That's three training camps, three preseasons, a variety of appearances in 38 games (ranging from no-throwing cleanup-time hand-off duty to a pair of starts (one each in 2004 and 2005).

By the time Matt came to Houston to be a full time starter he'd already attempted 161 NFL passes, completing 84 of them for 1033 yards, and 6 TD's to go with his 6 INT's. About a 55% percent completion percentage.

He'd started out with a 42 passer rating in Atlanta and climbed up as high as 98 before settling back to 71.

Compared to Keenum's introduction to the starting QB job Schaub had it pretty damn good in terms of prep time. Even then he still only played in 11 games in 2007 and threw as many picks as touchdowns (9/9).

In his 8 games starting last year Keenum threw the ball 5 more times per game that Matt did in 2007. Keenum also threw for 9 TD's but only 6 picks. Neither one of them had much in the way of a running game. Schaub's protection was much better but more than that Schaub already knew how to handle being pressured at this level.

Matt won 3 games his first year here. Keenum won none in his. Matt had a passer rating over 100 in each of his 2007 wins. Keenum had a passer rating over 100 twice but both games were losses.

What does it all mean? To me it means the line between being a "success" who gets 7 seasons to run your course and being a failure who's already peaked after 8 games is a very fine line indeed. It probably means nothing really. just pointing out that those two players had completely different paths to their first chance at being the full-time starter on their respective teams.

I really wouldn't wish Keenum's so-called "opportunity" on any promising young QB much less on an UDFA that half the fan base thinks isn't worth the trouble to begin with.
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Great post, Herv! I believe Keenum will get his fair chance to compete for the starting role.......and that is all I would ask for. Last year, Keenum wasn't just simply thrown into the fire...............he was thrown into Hell.

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ArlingtonTexan said:
not fair that the Texans were not a 'perfect' but he made nothing better.
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Nobody is saying they have to be perfect .... just competent. As Cloak said, Keenum wasn't thrown into the fire last year ... he was thrown into hell. So, if you have a scale with 'perfect' on one end and 'hell' on the other, this team was much closer to hell.

I would also say that in his first 3 games, before the team and coaches quit on the season, he did make things better. He certainly held up his end but was betrayed by poor special teams and defense.

Yes, he does have a lot of room for improvement in his game and we'll see if he makes that leap this year.
 
I'm not a UH fan.
I'm not a home town Keenum homer.
I don't care who comes out of camp as the starter, as long as it's the guy that gives us the best chance to win.

Now, having said that, I've stated before that I think Kubiak was Keenum's main problem. I think Kubiak gradually stifled Keenum's natural style of play, and made Keenum think too much, resulting in CK playing tight.
I know I am in a small minority to think this, and I hope O'Brien gives Keenum a fair shot just so I can see if I was correct or not.
I'm not saying that Keenum will ever be an above average QB in the league, but I think he is capable of much better play than he exhibited, especially later in the season.
 
Sorry for all the gibberish.
Typing on a new phone isn't fun.

TK had made most of the points for me.

The number of sacks he took are about the same as Brady in his first year (prorated).

The most important thing; though, is that Brady's defense allowed nearly ten fewer points per game.
If the Texans D had done the same, how many wins would Keenum have?

Brady had a real kicker.
Who did Keenum have?

And we all know that if the Texans were close in games, they would have run the ball more.
Wait.
Keenum was the leading rusher on the team.
Look at what Tate and Foster did in the games Keenum played.
And don't even start on the other guys.
 
Norg said:
Keenum better hope he can make the team

if bob only wants to carry 2 QBS well then Kennum is in reallly big trouble

I'd take Yates over Case has of right now at least he won a PLayoff game and played decent against Balty
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Are you refering to the playoff game?
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T. Yates 17/35 184 5.3 0 3 0-0 13.6 28.8
 
Brady had a better running game to protect him.
His D forced about twice more turnovers to give the ball back.
His special team was better over all.
In fact, aftet punt return, Brady averaged nearly ten yards in better field position than Keenum had to start with.

And who's going to say that Kubiak is a better coach than BB?
 
michaelm said:
I'm not a UH fan.
I'm not a home town Keenum homer.
I don't care who comes out of camp as the starter, as long as it's the guy that gives us the best chance to win.

Now, having said that, I've stated before that I think Kubiak was Keenum's main problem. I think Kubiak gradually stifled Keenum's natural style of play, and made Keenum think too much, resulting in CK playing tight.
I know I am in a small minority to think this, and I hope O'Brien gives Keenum a fair shot just so I can see if I was correct or not.
I'm not saying that Keenum will ever be an above average QB in the league, but I think he is capable of much better play than he exhibited, especially later in the season.
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Being a good qb is as much about being able to make defenses pay with those things you do well as it is about making them pay when they force you to do things you don't do as well....I say that to say that Kubiak handled him the same way most HC's handle qbs...He highlighted things that he did best within the framework of the overall offense...We saw way more spread offensive sets that catered to Keenum & his comfortability. Really that's all you can ask for from your HC.

Early on Keenum had some moments where his best skills shined through..that wasn't just Keenum balling out, that had something to do with Kubiak too. but slowly as defenses began to adjust and force him out of his comfort zone, Keenum had no answers. That primetime jags game was atrocious to watch on offense with Keenum at the helm. & from that end, what was kubiak supposed to do? scrap his whole offense to put more plays in for Keenum?
 
Hervoyel said:
It should be noted that Schaub became a starter after watching for three seasons behind Michael Vick in Atlanta. That's three training camps, three preseasons, a variety of appearances in 38 games (ranging from no-throwing cleanup-time hand-off duty to a pair of starts (one each in 2004 and 2005).

By the time Matt came to Houston to be a full time starter he'd already attempted 161 NFL passes, completing 84 of them for 1033 yards, and 6 TD's to go with his 6 INT's. About a 55% percent completion percentage.

He'd started out with a 42 passer rating in Atlanta and climbed up as high as 98 before settling back to 71.

Compared to Keenum's introduction to the starting QB job Schaub had it pretty damn good in terms of prep time. Even then he still only played in 11 games in 2007 and threw as many picks as touchdowns (9/9).

In his 8 games starting last year Keenum threw the ball 5 more times per game that Matt did in 2007. Keenum also threw for 9 TD's but only 6 picks. Neither one of them had much in the way of a running game. Schaub's protection was much better but more than that Schaub already knew how to handle being pressured at this level.

Matt won 3 games his first year here. Keenum won none in his. Matt had a passer rating over 100 in each of his 2007 wins. Keenum had a passer rating over 100 twice but both games were losses.

What does it all mean? To me it means the line between being a "success" who gets 7 seasons to run your course and being a failure who's already peaked after 8 games is a very fine line indeed. It probably means nothing really. just pointing out that those two players had completely different paths to their first chance at being the full-time starter on their respective teams.

I really wouldn't wish Keenum's so-called "opportunity" on any promising young QB much less on an UDFA that half the fan base thinks isn't worth the trouble to begin with.
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Blake said:
Are you refering to the playoff game?
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
T. Yates 17/35 184 5.3 0 3 0-0 13.6 28.8
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Yeah if we just got average QB play out of Yates we likely walk into New England and play for the AFC championship.
 
If it were up to me, I'd let it be a competition between Fitz/Keenum/Yates for the starting QB and backup positions. Biggest loser of those 3 gets cut. Savage is locked in @ the #3 spot, where he will practice and learn.

We are in a rebuild anyways so the following is how it would work:

Whoever wins the starting job better come out of the gate shooting, and shooting well. Win OR lose, the starting QB will be evaluated based off of his play. Taking way too many sacks will be frowned upon as well as too many INT's, especially of the pick 6 variety!!!! I would not spend too much time this season with a QB that struggles! Bench him for the backup QB and let him have a shot. Repeat if necessary until we either have a confident winning QB at the starter spot, or else we run out of games!!
 
Norg said:
Keenum better hope he can make the team

if bob only wants to carry 2 QBS well then Kennum is in reallly big trouble

I'd take Yates over Case has of right now at least he won a PLayoff game and played decent against Balty
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Yates did not win the playoff game. The Texans did. All he did was hand the ball off and got the hell out of the way. Nothing in that game hung upon his shoulders what so ever. The defense and Foster controlled that one.

And he played like absolute crap against the Ravens so not sure where you got 'decent' from. Well, unless you mean decently bad then yes, I concur.
 
Mr teX said:
Being a good qb is as much about being able to make defenses pay with those things you do well as it is about making them pay when they force you to do things you don't do as well....I say that to say that Kubiak handled him the same way most HC's handle qbs...He highlighted things that he did best within the framework of the overall offense...We saw way more spread offensive sets that catered to Keenum & his comfortability. Really that's all you can ask for from your HC.

Early on Keenum had some moments where his best skills shined through..that wasn't just Keenum balling out, that had something to do with Kubiak too. but slowly as defenses began to adjust and force him out of his comfort zone, Keenum had no answers. That primetime jags game was atrocious to watch on offense with Keenum at the helm. & from that end, what was kubiak supposed to do? scrap his whole offense to put more plays in for Keenum?
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I commented on that very thing last year. I was very interested in how Keenum would do once teams had some film on him. I was disappointed.
 
DocBar said:
I commented on that very thing last year. I was very interested in how Keenum would do once teams had some film on him. I was disappointed.
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I was more interested in how our other offensive players and offensive scheme would adjust...........the type of offensive players left over, either because of injuries or questionable skills, couldn't.........and the offensive scheme wouldn't.
 
HouTx11 said:
If it were up to me, I'd let it be a competition between Fitz/Keenum/Yates for the starting QB and backup positions. Biggest loser of those 3 gets cut. Savage is locked in @ the #3 spot, where he will practice and learn.

We are in a rebuild anyways so the following is how it would work:

Whoever wins the starting job better come out of the gate shooting, and shooting well. Win OR lose, the starting QB will be evaluated based off of his play. Taking way too many sacks will be frowned upon as well as too many INT's, especially of the pick 6 variety!!!! I would not spend too much time this season with a QB that struggles! Bench him for the backup QB and let him have a shot. Repeat if necessary until we either have a confident winning QB at the starter spot, or else we run out of games!!
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I could live with that!
 
deucetx said:
Yates did not win the playoff game. The Texans did. All he did was hand the ball off and got the hell out of the way. Nothing in that game hung upon his shoulders what so ever. The defense and Foster controlled that one.

And he played like absolute crap against the Ravens so not sure where you got 'decent' from. Well, unless you mean decently bad then yes, I concur.
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Yates was certainly a Trent Dilfer-ish "game manager" in that Bengals playoff game. He did not make any mistakes to cost them that game.

That said, his play was important in securing that playoff spot in Cincinnati. He had a solid drive, with a great long run, and capped with a great play and TD pass to Kevin Walter.

TJ Yates Game-Winning Drive

Now, don't get me wrong. This is not trying to make him a starter or even advocate anything, but I think he gets no credit around these parts, so I'm just trying to give him at least a little credit (that he deserves).

The 2011 season will most likely be the peak of his NFL career, so at least give him a little love while he's still a Houston Texan. He might be gone after this summer and be some other franchise's little Yates.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I was more interested in how our other offensive players and offensive scheme would adjust...........the type of offensive players left over, either because of injuries or questionable skills, couldn't.........and the offensive scheme wouldn't.
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Iagree that Kubiak did CK no favors. I hope Keenum comes out of camp the unquestioned starter and turns the NFL on its ear with superlative play. I just don't have very much confidence in that happening.

I'm at a point now where I support the 3 vets pretty much equally. I have no clue how they will perform because I have no clue what kind of offense BO'B is going to employ. I lean a bit towards Fitz because of his intelligence and ability to learn new systems. I have no real idea of CK or TJ's ability to do the same. :goodluck:
 
I just re watched the 6-13 loss to the Jags.
It doesn't take too long with NFL Rewind as you can jump right to each play with a click of the mouse.

Believe it or not, Keenum played well enough to win.
More than enough, actually.
His receivers failed him repeatedly; from Graham to Hopkins; even A.J.
And of course, Martin.
 
Playoffs said:
I dunno, just never got the feeling Gary was all that juiced about Keenum.

And why would Browns dump Hoyer before seeing how injury prone Manziel is?
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I'm thinking Kubiak will scoop up either Yates or Keenum, whichever guy the Texans end up cutting.
It's not easy to find a minimum wage guy that has experience in his offense.
 
76Texan said:
I just re watched the 6-13 loss to the Jags.
It doesn't take too long with NFL Rewind as you can jump right to each play with a click of the mouse.

Believe it or not, Keenum played well enough to win.
More than enough, actually.
His receivers failed him repeatedly; from Graham to Hopkins; even A.J.
And of course, Martin.
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Obviously it is impossible to judge a performance just by the stats, but....

18/34 (52.9%) for 169 yards (4.9 ypa) with 0 TD's and 1 INT (completely on Martin IIRC). He had a QB Rating of 54.7 and a QBR of 14.4 for the game.

Even if the WR's let him down, that performance can't be solely blamed on them can it? He had at least something to do with it. In the 4th quarter of a one-score game he was....

7/14 (50%) for 64 yards (4.6 ypa) and 1 INT (not his fault IIRC).

The defense didn't play great (333 yards, 7/17 on 3rd down, 5.1 yards per play) but they did hold JAX to 13 pts. Enough to win. We scored 6. Not enough to win.
 
WolverineFan said:
Obviously it is impossible to judge a performance just by the stats, but....



18/34 (52.9%) for 169 yards (4.9 ypa) with 0 TD's and 1 INT (completely on Martin IIRC). He had a QB Rating of 54.7 and a QBR of 14.4 for the game.



Even if the WR's let him down, that performance can't be solely blamed on them can it? He had at least something to do with it. In the 4th quarter of a one-score game he was....



7/14 (50%) for 64 yards (4.6 ypa) and 1 INT (not his fault IIRC).



The defense didn't play great (333 yards, 7/17 on 3rd down, 5.1 yards per play) but they did hold JAX to 13 pts. Enough to win. We scored 6. Not enough to win.
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Really? Stats?
 
I hate comparing anyone to Brady, because Brady is a witch.

But here's a difference:
Keenum's first 4 games:
8 TD, 1 Int, 7.87 yards per attempt.

His last four games:
1 TD, 5 int, 6.05 ypa.

Brady 1st four starting:
5 TD, 0 int, 6.78 ypa

Brady last four rookie games:
2 TD, 5 int, 6.86 ypa

Brady did not suffer a significant drop-off with game film. Keenum was godawful.
 
noxiousdog said:
I hate comparing anyone to Brady, because Brady is a witch.

But here's a difference:
Keenum's first 4 games:
8 TD, 1 Int, 7.87 yards per attempt.

His last four games:
1 TD, 5 int, 6.05 ypa.

Brady 1st four starting:
5 TD, 0 int, 6.78 ypa

Brady last four rookie games:
2 TD, 5 int, 6.86 ypa

Brady did not suffer a significant drop-off with game film. Keenum was godawful.
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Brady also had a team going to the playoffs, while the Texans were trying to decide who was going to be the coach next season.

Keenum has one more chance if O'Brien doesn't cut him before preseason. At least then we can see if he learned anything from last year. If not, oh well.
 
No freaking way I would cut Keenum for at least another year. I'd want to see him through this preseason AND the next one. If he can't at least make #2 by then, oh well.
 
santo said:
Brady also had a team going to the playoffs, while the Texans were trying to decide who was going to be the coach next season.

Keenum has one more chance if O'Brien doesn't cut him before preseason. At least then we can see if he learned anything from last year. If not, oh well.
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HJam72 said:
No freaking way I would cut Keenum for at least another year. I'd want to see him through this preseason AND the next one. If he can't at least make #2 by then, oh well.
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BO'B would be crazy to cut a QB before PS is over.
 
DocBar said:
BO'B would be crazy to cut a QB before PS is over.
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I don't think he will. Basically I would keep Keenum if he played just as good as Fitzpatrick. He's cheaper and wouldn't cost much to keep him as a backup, but I don't know if O'Brien will keep him after this year if he plays on par with Yates and Fitzpatrick.
 
76Texan said:
I just re watched the 6-13 loss to the Jags.
It doesn't take too long with NFL Rewind as you can jump right to each play with a click of the mouse.

Believe it or not, Keenum played well enough to win.
More than enough, actually.
His receivers failed him repeatedly; from Graham to Hopkins; even A.J.
And of course, Martin.
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Didn't AJ drop two passes in that game? IIRC one was slightly away but even announcer said he should have got it.
 
santo said:
...Basically I would keep Keenum if he played just as good as Fitzpatrick...
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If Keenum can't show as much as Fitzpatrick, he probably should "get on with his life's work" (to quote Chuck Noll), because the latter is the definition of mediocre.

O'Brien is really a brave man, or else a miracle worker, to go into his first NFL head-coaching season with this group of QBs.
 
santo said:
I don't think he will. Basically I would keep Keenum if he played just as good as Fitzpatrick. He's cheaper and wouldn't cost much to keep him as a backup, but I don't know if O'Brien will keep him after this year if he plays on par with Yates and Fitzpatrick.
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Fitz isn't going anywhere, either. His money is gauranteed. It's either CK or TJ that will be the odd man out. No way there are 4 QB's the roster with as many needs there are at other positions.
 
Jags 13 Texans 6

1st drive
Keenum started the game with a quick 8-yd pass to Hopkins.
Hopkins bobbled the ball, but pulled it back in.
Unfortunately, he also stumbled and fell.
Could have been a first down; and if he can make the defenders miss, even more.


On 1-10, Jags rushed four.
Keenum wanted to go left, but had to pull the ball back when Myers was quickly beaten.
(LG was helping LT.)
Keenum scrambled out of harm way and dumped the ball to Tate for a 3-yd gain.

On 2nd down, Tate lost all of it on a negative 3-yd run.

On 3rd and 10, Jags rushed four.
Texans had six to protect and couldn't get the job done.
At the two-sec mark, Keenum saw AJ open on short slant, but had to take off as Brown got beat quickly.
(Perhaps, he was expecting Tate to help chip the DE?)
He could not step up the pocket as Newton was pushed ten yards deep in the pocket, right between the hash marks
(ie., right where Keenum needs to step up.)
This forced Keenum to scramble to his right (following AJ's route.)
However, on this side, Brooks couldn't stop the looping DT (it was really Newton's fault.
If Newton had done his job, Brook would have been OK.)
Being third down, Case tried to turn back around hoping to make a play.
It does not look like he had time to throw the ball away.
I'm pretty sure of it.
Being in the pocket, you have to throw the ball past the LOS toward AJ.
There's no way Keenum or any QB can do that.
But why throw the ball away on third down?
If he layed down, it's still a ten-to-eleven yard sack.
What with a few more yards?
Lechler is supposed to have a strong leg anyway.
(He only punted 41 yards to the Jags 34 on this one; however.)
 
3rd drive.
After two runs, Keenum tried to connect with Graham on third and four, but the ball was batted away by the DT.
Jags rushed four; Texans protected with six.
Tate delayed his route to see if he needs to help out on the left side or not.
Smith got beat, Keenum couldn't hold the ball any longer.
The sad thing is that the Texans had Myers and Brook on the DT and they let him get to the ball.
I would have liked for Brooks to engage the defender stronger before releasing him to Myers (before looking to help out Newton.)
 
2nd quarter
4th drive.
On first down, Smith got beat again, this time like a rag doll.
Keenum scrambled to his left and found DJ for 4.

After a 3-yd run, the Texans called a pass play.
Keenum was ready to pull the trigger at about the 2-1/2 sec mark but had to pull the ball back as a rusher was closing in on him.
The Jags only rushed 4.
Brown initially allowed the DE to penetrate inside, forcing Keenum to side step to his left.
As Brown lunged too far inside, the interior lineman was able to loop to the outside easily.
With four guys pursuing him - one was hanging onto him and pulling his back jersey - Keenum had to throw the ball away.
 
5th drive.
Keenum attempted a pass to AJ 17 yard downfield.
AJ had both hands on the ball, but couldn't hold on to it as the safety came down with a hit to jar the ball loose.
A good play by the safety.
By the way, Keenum couldn't wait any longer with Myers getting beat to the inside.
The DT's right hand was in his face right before the 3-sec mark.

On 2nd and 10, the Texans wanted a delayed screen pass to Tate, but I had no idea why Myers let his man go so early.
The guys was on Keenum in just a hair over 1 sec; Tate hadn't even made his turn yet.
Tate waited a second, faking like he was helping Brown before releasing.
The ball was right there, but as Tate did not have enough time to focus, he droppped the ball.

On third and 10, the Jags sent a 5-man blitz.
Keenum went quickly to Graham.
Either it was a great play by the defender or he had an arm bar on Graham.
At any rate, there was no separation.
 
6th drive.
After 4 runs, Keenum sneaked for 2 and a first down.
Tate then got stopped for no gain.

On 2nd down, Keenum took a 9-yd sack as he did not realize that the LB was coming up on a blitz off the edge instead of dropping back into coverage.
Perhaps he simply missed it, or just maybe he was expecting Graham to block?
After all, Keenum did signal for Graham to move from left to right when he saw the original LB unlblocked.

On third and 19, the Jags rushed 4.
Keenum couldn't find anybody open downfield so he went with DJ for 9 to get into FG range at the 30.
It's better than holding on to the ball and leaving points on the field.
 
3rd quarterr

7th Drive.
Tate lost 3 yards on a run, but Keenum found Griffin for 37.
Only a shoestring tackle by the LB Hayes prevented a TD.

On the next play, his pass to AJ on the left side line was batted down by the DE.
It was a good individual effort by this guy, as he was pushed back handily by Brown.
Keenum needs to be at least 5 inches taller or he needs to have a longer arm to get that ball over.
The Jags sent a 5-man rush with Tate getting beat quickly.
Keenum got hit right after he released the ball.

On 2nd down, Keenum found Graham for 8 and DJ converted the third down with a 4-yd run.
Another run by DJ netted 12 yards.

On first down, the Texans were in the same 11 formation with Graham on the left.
The Jags sent a 6-man blitz which Keenum beat easily with a quick throw to Graham for 4.

DJ got stop for no gain, but on third down, Keenum connected with AJ for 15 on another 6-man blitz.

2 runs later, Keenum faced third and goal at the 2.
Hopkins, however, couldnt stay in bound on the right side.
He got pushed out of bound by the defender, which is legal with the current rule.
The pass was thrown right off the bat, to a spot.
Could Keenum make the throw a foot closer inside?
Maybe.
Could Hopkins stretch out with both feet together instead of spreading them wide apart?
Surely.
Could Hopkins dominate the CB with his physique to give himself more room to operate?
Definitely; he has the clear size advantage.
This is what he was drafted for.
To win it up high by dominating shorter and smaller CBs.
And this is Gratz, a 5'11 rookie third rounder that Hopkins was facing.
He needs to win this matchup every time.

After a 2-yd run by DJ, Keenum stepped up the pocket and connected with Graham for 7.
DJ tried two runs but came up an inch short of first down.
I wonder why Kubiak didn't use Tate here on third and short and fourth and short???
 
9th drive.
Brown got beat too quickly, Keenum quickly found Tate for 6 on the RB screen.
This time, Tate didn't drop the ball.

On 2nd down, Newton got beat quickly, but Keenum was able to find Tate again for 7 and the first down.

On first down, Keenum's pass was nearly picked off.
I do not understand that throw; it was between Graham and AJ and right to the safety who dropped the ball.
Perhaps Keenum was expecting AJ to continue his route, but AJ sat down instead???
The ball was nowhere near either AJ or Graham.

On second down, Keenum beat the 5-man blitz with a 5-yd pass to Posey.

On third and 5, it was Hopkins' and Keenum's turns to miscommunicate.
As opposed to the pass to AJ earlier, this time the ball was thrown to the inside while Hopkins was looking to the outside.
Again, the ball was thrown before the receiver makes his break.
It was supposed to be thrown to a spot.
This time, with the CB backpedaling then turning his back to face the side line, I would think the inside is a better spot to throw the ball???
(In the back of the defender.)
 
10th drive
Keenum found Graham quickly for 6 as Newton got beat.

He found Graham again, but the TE droppped the pass that would have gained a first down.

On third down, Keenum delivered a pass to AJ for 21 before the pocket collapsed.

A short pass was turned into a 12-yd gain by KMart.

Keenum then spiked the ball to stop the clock at 51 second.

From the Jags 41, Keenum sent an easy pass to Hopkins at the 14-yd line.
Hopkins promptly dropped the ball.

On third down, the pocket disintegrated quickly on a 4-man pass rush.
Myers was pushed into Keenum's lap (9-yd deep).
Brook/Newton lost their battles on a twist designed to draw Newton inside (blocking Brook) while the DT looped around the edge.

Keenum chose KMart to dump the ball to.
This guy is supposed to have good hands and can get some YAC.
He did neither.
Instead, he boblled the ball trying to turn around too soon.
The ball caroomed off his hands and was intercepted by a defender.
Ball game.
 
Tolar's Ghost said:
LaCanfora speculates that Keenum will get a shot.....in Baltimore....

And that the legendary Brian Hoyer could end up with the Texans.

Who knows? But both are plausible.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...makes-veteran-arms-expendable----and-valuable
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Baltimore picked up Keith Wenning (a better Flacco) in the 6th round. They have no need for Case Keenum.

I think we're waiting for Cassel to be cut by the Vikings. Other than that, we're going with what we got.
 
76Texan said:
TK had made most of the points for me.

The number of sacks he took are about the same as Brady in his first year (prorated).

The most important thing; though, is that Brady's defense allowed nearly ten fewer points per game.
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That was not my point about the sacks. Though the numbers were the same, more or less, the amount of yards per sack were way out of wack for Case. Those, imo, are stupid plays. The kind of thing we'll be laughing about JFF doing in Cleveland.

That's poor QB play. Similar to taking a snap in the endzone & holding the ball for more than a second. Case did that. Similar to taking the snap at the two yard line & running back into the end zone... Case did that.

I understand looking for a big play, & I admire QBs that take chances. But the ones that stay in the NFL are the ones that take those chances & come out on top more times than not. I did not get that feeling from Case at any time in those last 8 games.

If you're down a score at the end of the game, with the ball in your hands, you need to get those points, you need to win that game. This wasn't 2010 when we'd have a lead & the defense would blow it. In 2013, we went into the 2nd half of most games with a lead, but with Keenum back there, I knew the chances of winning those games were nil. I knew we wouldn't be able to move the ball, or get defensive stops.

I don't get on Case for not winning, for the most part. I get on him for not giving us a chance to win. If you "know" that you can't move the ball in the second half, if you can't put points on the board in the second half, regardless how many you put up in the first, you have almost no chance of winning that game.

The second half, that's when the game gets real. That's when it counts. The closer you get to 0:00 in the 4th qtr, the more real it gets, the greater the pressure gets. Some people, some teams get better the closer you get to 0:00 (Andrew Luck & the Colts)... some don't.

Our team sucked the closer we got to 0:00. Case was not a shining light on that defense, he was part of the problem.
 
76Texan said:
1st drive
Keenum started the game with a quick 8-yd pass to Hopkins.
Hopkins bobbled the ball, but pulled it back in.
Unfortunately, he also stumbled and fell.
Could have been a first down; and if he can make the defenders miss, even more.


On 1-10, Jags rushed four.
Keenum wanted to go left, but had to pull the ball back when Myers was quickly beaten.
(LG was helping LT.)
Keenum scrambled out of harm way and dumped the ball to Tate for a 3-yd gain.

On 2nd down, Tate lost all of it on a negative 3-yd run.

On 3rd and 10, Jags rushed four.
Texans had six to protect and couldn't get the job done.
At the two-sec mark, Keenum saw AJ open on short slant, but had to take off as Brown got beat quickly.
(Perhaps, he was expecting Tate to help chip the DE?)
He could not step up the pocket as Newton was pushed ten yards deep in the pocket, right between the hash marks
(ie., right where Keenum needs to step up.)
This forced Keenum to scramble to his right (following AJ's route.)
However, on this side, Brooks couldn't stop the looping DT (it was really Newton's fault.
If Newton had done his job, Brook would have been OK.)
Being third down, Case tried to turn back around hoping to make a play.
It does not look like he had time to throw the ball away.
I'm pretty sure of it.
Being in the pocket, you have to throw the ball past the LOS toward AJ.
There's no way Keenum or any QB can do that.
But why throw the ball away on third down?
If he layed down, it's still a ten-to-eleven yard sack.
What with a few more yards?
Lechler is supposed to have a strong leg anyway.
(He only punted 41 yards to the Jags 34 on this one; however.)
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This drive stopped whether Case took a ten yard sack or a nineteen yards sack.
Even if he can magically throw the ball away, it is still a punt.

As it was the punt was downed at the Jags 34.
A better punt by Lechler, who is known for a booming leg would have the Jags at around the 25-29.

Not a big deal of field position to give up.
The risk was worth it to try to make a play.
JMO, of course.
 
76Texan said:
3rd drive.
After two runs, Keenum tried to connect with Graham on third and four, but the ball was batted away by the DT.
Jags rushed four; Texans protected with six.
Tate delayed his route to see if he needs to help out on the left side or not.
Smith got beat, Keenum couldn't hold the ball any longer.
The sad thing is that the Texans had Myers and Brook on the DT and they let him get to the ball.
I would have liked for Brooks to engage the defender stronger before releasing him to Myers (before looking to help out Newton.)
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Keenum was part of the problem, but with six to block 4, the blockers just have to do a better job.
 
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