CloakNNNdagger
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If he retired and wanted to come out of retirement, the Texans would still hold his rights.
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All Encompassing Andre Johnson Thread (Just got some disturbing news about A Johnson)
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If he retired and wanted to come out of retirement, the Texans would still hold his rights.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
He will retire, Texans will be 5-0, then he'll come back. Right?
I offered you a contact, but with your current attitude there's no chance you would've been hired. (My brother was doing the hiring.) How's that job hunt going for you?
I would love to meet you at a tailgate. Since there will be no children around. Just so you know I'm far from a p****. If you saw me you would know that. Look forward to meeting you soon.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
What the **** makes you think anybody from Texas wants your sorry *** to come to our beautiful state in the ******* first place? Keep your sorry *** in the Granola state, cause all the fruits, flakes and nuts reside there, and stay the **** out of Texas!
As for the cussing, it's called respect and no I wouldn't invite you over, mainly for the fact you come from a sorry *** state...
But that's just me....
drs23
Veteran
100% verified. Thanks again mussop.
Well said. Deserves way more reps than I can give.
I just saw AJ being interviewed tonight, and listened to his comments. Put that together with what Mussop just revealed, there's no doubt in my mind he's done here. It isn't a matter of "blowing off steam" or whatever.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
This pic is more telling now...
mattieuk
All Pro
I completely get where you are coming from, and after last season, and Texans history in general, I can understand why you're blue about their chances of getting away without bringing in a marquee quarterback.
I don't see a fourth round QB pick as a 'half court shot' - I think there is a real possibility that he turns out to be a starting QB for the Texans, and means that we have some backup if the Fitzpatrick experiment doesn't work.
I'm just bored with being glum about the Texans after last year - I'm taking some optimism and running with it until football time comes around again - I think there is more than enough talent to see a strong upside for the team over the next couple of years!
drs23
Veteran
Mr. Soothsayer, how do you know for a fact that that's not exactly what happened?
You know THAT MUCH MORE than the folks paid to run the show? They met with the guy and WERE NOT IMPRESSED. Obviously NOT AT ALL. They had several chances to snag him and passed, as did every other team in the NFL except the hapless Brownies, @ #22!. 1-1 you say?!
IF AND WHEN he turns that franchise around I'll eat a newspaper.
'Till then you're the biggest Manzielotidt on this forum.
Very safely in the lead.
How much is a #2 Brownie jersey. Just axin'. Just sayin'.
fiasco west
All Pro
Why though?
Haven't the last two years alone proved that you can win with a above average QB? As long as the guy isn't throwing INTs all over the place your team can make up for a average offense.
I hope Andre gives this team a chance. I really feel like BOB knows what he's doing
I, for one, would not understand it.
Andre made his choices & he decided to stay here. It's not like the Texans haven't stood by him. He let his uncle work a deal, found out he didn't like it, asked to redo it, & it was done. No muss, no fuss on the Texans' part.
He's had his injury issues, he still got paid. He's over 30 years old & they decided to pay him outrageous salaries... no muss, no fuss. They're not blaming him for the state of the Texans & he should shoulder some of that responsibility. He is after all the most senior Texans & the defacto leader.
He's not the QB but he's got influence, he needs to use it with the guys he's playing with, not the guys he's playing for.
That said, I've never had a problem with players like Andre skipping OTAs. Older guys who've played their hearts out & produced like champions. But to whine about the state of his team, upset with the leadership of this team... sorry, I don't care for it.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
I've had a job for a year and a half. It's a good job, good gig but it's 25 miles each way so that kinda sucks. I'm up for potential positions in Houston with another company. Should know more about that this week. I'd love to move there and will probably ask for advice on the board if that indeed comes to fruition. I don't know about meeting you, though. You just used a cuss word and cuss words make me nervous :-/
I agree with you about California. That's why I'm bound to leave. I wouldn't want to come over anyway, because you use big, bad curse words and those make me scared :-/
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
You have really been keeping your cursing down these past few posts Matrix. I'm ****ing proud of you.
False Start
On # 69
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Now that I know who I'm dealing with, I wouldn't dare offend the delicate sensibilities of females that comprise the population of this here message board.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Here are couple respected web sites to get pretty accurate contract info:
overthecap.com & spotrac.com
Any team getting AJ in trade pays his base only. 2014 $10 m 2015 $10.5 m 2016 $11m = $31.5
Lord Bills
Destruction
Im telling you right now,
if andre johnson leaves you can blame that on this years draft where they did not really address the most glaring weakness of the team:
the quarterback.
They had a chance to get the pick of the litter but waited until the 4th round and they got some dude that's already balding.
I mean i dont blame dre at all, he has restructured his contract several times and what thanks does dre get?
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Ryan Mallet
Tom Savage
The texans had the first overall pick in every round yet they wait till the 4th round. Why would you wait that long to pick a player in a position that is the most glaring weakness on your team?
It just reeks of stupidity and i dont blame dre one bit for not wanting to be part of it anymore.
if andre johnson leaves you can blame that on this years draft where they did not really address the most glaring weakness of the team:
the quarterback.
They had a chance to get the pick of the litter but waited until the 4th round and they got some dude that's already balding.
I mean i dont blame dre at all, he has restructured his contract several times and what thanks does dre get?
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Ryan Mallet
Tom Savage
The texans had the first overall pick in every round yet they wait till the 4th round. Why would you wait that long to pick a player in a position that is the most glaring weakness on your team?
It just reeks of stupidity and i dont blame dre one bit for not wanting to be part of it anymore.
I don't have a problem with that. But what he said publicly & what the way it has been reported makes him sound disgruntled, which is out of character for the guy I've come to respect.
From that, I think it's OB's job to sell Andre on his vision & his ability to get there quickly.
Craig.
Nosebleeds
WAT
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
This is why you probably spend many nights disciplining your primate .
Agreed. Losing is a habit. Guys like Aj & JJ may not ever fall into that trap, but it's hard for one or two guys to fight that kind of mentality on a whole team.
We're finally in a position where people on the outside look at a 2-14 season & see it as an anomaly & most of them expect us to be winning again, sooner rather than later.
I was surprised to see segments on NFL AM this morning talking about the Texans. Not only were they talking about us, but they were talking about how they feel we're going to turn this around fast.
Lord Bills
Destruction
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
This is a defining moment for Bill O'Brien in how he handles it .
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
I think that's a very interesting point. Most people on the outside were blown away by our fall and have no doubts about it being an anomaly. I happen to agree with them, given the fact that we lost so many close games and so much had to go wrong at once for everything to crash. When you lose, what, 7 games by 7 points or less, it's not as hard to "correct."
If Bill O'Brien is as good as everyone thinks he is and if our draft class is as good as everyone thinks it was, we'll be back to where we were and 2013 will quickly be a distant memory.
Also interested in seeing how Bill O'Brien handles this. He's the new sheriff and Andre Johnson is the greatest Texan in history. He has to handle this well, otherwise it's going to be very, very off-putting.
I don't believe in disciplining my primate. That would be quite the racist endeavor.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
i love dre. but if he decides to leave so be it. yeah the team is headed in a new direction. with or without him
Lord Bills
Destruction
i havent read the entire thread so i dont know if this subject has been mentioned:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...nson-on-texans-is-this-still-the-place-for-me
one of the comments on the dre video.
any truth to this?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...nson-on-texans-is-this-still-the-place-for-me
one of the comments on the dre video.
any truth to this?
Did you forget the
smiley? If not, feel free to stay in California.
As bad as Derek Newton was, I thought Wade Smith was worse. Replacing him with a second round talent, arguably the best OG in the draft, has me just as excited about the offense as I am about the defense.
& heck, Keenum & Aj seemed to get along just fine. In fact, I thought I saw Andre glowing after a few of those games (maybe he was red hot angry, kinda hard to tell after a 3 TD game).
3rd & short, 4th & shorter, red zone scoring... fixing those could have possibly won us 5 games last season. Winning begets winning, so who knows how we would have finished?
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
I wAtched that video and to me he seemed very uncomfortable talking about this situation. Kind of like when you have to explain to your parents why you got detention or suspended. He didn't sound like he wanted to talk about it imho
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Did you forget the
I never use sarcasm smileys. I feel that any individual who reads one of my posts should be able to discern whether I am being sarcastic or not with a high degree of accuracy. Is that too much of a responsibility to bestow on the group? If so, that is quite unfortunate.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
They'll probably go ahead and move him.
Ob has been all about the future.
Last thing you want is to have Dre here when he doesn't want to be. And even if he decided to give it a go here, you have to wonder if the team hits a rough stretch or loses some games if Dre is going to start thinking here we go again and I should have left.
If Dre is going to stay he needs to be fully commuted to what's going on here. If he's not, then it's in both parties best interest to part ways.
Ob has been all about the future.
Last thing you want is to have Dre here when he doesn't want to be. And even if he decided to give it a go here, you have to wonder if the team hits a rough stretch or loses some games if Dre is going to start thinking here we go again and I should have left.
If Dre is going to stay he needs to be fully commuted to what's going on here. If he's not, then it's in both parties best interest to part ways.
I'm a big AJ fan and completely understand where he's coming from.
If I was Bob McNair, I'd have a hard time not granting him a trade if he requested it. I know it's not the business savvy thing to do, but the man has been the consummate professional his entire career and represented the city and team in such a way that I would feel like I owed him that much. I seriously doubt AJ reached this point over night.
One thing though. If this was common knowledge to the team before the draft, and there was even a 50-50 chance AJ would be traded or retire, wouldn't WR have been addressed a little more in the draft? I mean, we have DHop, Posey ( still not sure of him with the Achilles injury), Martin and Bonner. Does BO'B really feel confident going with that group? I know NE did a whole lot with equal or less talent at WR but they had Tom freaking Brady tossing the ball for them. The Texans have
at QB this season.
If I was Bob McNair, I'd have a hard time not granting him a trade if he requested it. I know it's not the business savvy thing to do, but the man has been the consummate professional his entire career and represented the city and team in such a way that I would feel like I owed him that much. I seriously doubt AJ reached this point over night.
One thing though. If this was common knowledge to the team before the draft, and there was even a 50-50 chance AJ would be traded or retire, wouldn't WR have been addressed a little more in the draft? I mean, we have DHop, Posey ( still not sure of him with the Achilles injury), Martin and Bonner. Does BO'B really feel confident going with that group? I know NE did a whole lot with equal or less talent at WR but they had Tom freaking Brady tossing the ball for them. The Texans have
at QB this season.
Lord Bills
Destruction
Dre should request a trade just on the fact that the texans waited till the 4th round to get a quarterback.
that was just so stupid.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
So if AJ is done should the team go ahead and drop the other big money vets and clear massive amounts of cap space for 2015?
And is AJ even tradable due to the amount left on his contract and his age? Because I'd I'm the front office the only way I'm paying AJ is if he is suiting up for the Texans.
And is AJ even tradable due to the amount left on his contract and his age? Because I'd I'm the front office the only way I'm paying AJ is if he is suiting up for the Texans.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Honest question.
How important is the WR position?
Given the investment we have in Johnson, is it money well spent?
Obviously he is the best player the franchise has ever had, but emotion aside, is he value?
Fair enough, even if you do overestimate your ability to effectively communicate the tone of your comments online.
Where in Cali are you? I've been in SoCal for the last 18 months. You California guys could use more than a few lessons in manners and showing respect. Especially where the ladies are concerned. I open a door for a lady and say yes ma'am a couple of times, she damn near throws her panties at me. On second thought, don't change a thing.
derail over.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Well, the team went 2-14 with him ... a couple times. 6-10 a couple times, 5-11 ... If you argue that the team has lost despite him (which would be my assertion), then you'd have to conclude that he's not very valuable to this team. Perhaps a team that just needs that final nudge over the top would find him very valuable. If you argue the team has lost because of him ... well, I can't even entertain that thought, sorry.
WRs are luxury items beyond a certain point. You need a couple good ones, but you don't need a superstar unless you're right on the edge of greatness as a team, IMO.
Wolf
100% Texan
We have too many holes to fill. All of us wanting a wr or qb earlier in the draft..what would we would have done with the DE, NT , TE, and guard positions? Or guard? We lost our starters there and yes qb was another hole. But what good is it to have a qb if your line cant block...like Vinny stated ..(somewhat paraphrase) if you want to be the jagviketitanbrowns. You pick the QB before you get your ducks in a row.
B'ob, as we should know ,likes to build inside out and that shouldn't be a surprise. Heck AJ shouldn't be surprised. With all the FA leaving and cap hell we are in right now
B'ob, as we should know ,likes to build inside out and that shouldn't be a surprise. Heck AJ shouldn't be surprised. With all the FA leaving and cap hell we are in right now
Who exactly is going to take $12M, 16M, 14M cap hits in consecutive years on a 32 year old WR?
Depends on what you call business savy. We'll gain $3.6M on this years salary cap. $16M on next years & $14M on 2016.
With the money we saved from trading Schaub, we could start next year with more than $33M (depending on how much we eat up this year with our draft picks & other FAs tbd).
If we can get a 3rd & a 4th, even better.
If he wants to be traded bad enough, he can work that out with them.
badboy
Hall of Fame
They don't. A team getting AJ pays only the base salary as he already got the bonus. Roster bonus will not be paid UNLESS the new team wants to. He avgs $10.5 next three seasons.
Pickspatrick, no #1TE, RB, MLB coming off injuries. No #2 DE, new NT, new FS and your #1 WR (potential HoF candidate) isn't sure this is the place for him?....naah, I can't imagine why anyone would think the Texans were rebuilding.
Meet the quote above yours. ^^^ Everybody thought Barry was holding out for more $$.
Then you either believe the Texans F.O. contains miracle workers or you haven't studied NFL history. Half-court shots might be higher %.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Fair enough, even if you do overestimate your ability to effectively communicate the tone of your comments online.
Where in Cali are you? I've been in SoCal for the last 18 months. You California guys could use more than a few lessons in manners and showing respect. Especially where the ladies are concerned. I open a door for a lady and say yes ma'am a couple of times, she damn near throws her panties at me. On second thought, don't change a thing.
derail over.
I live in Los Angeles, regrettably. I concur regarding your opinion on men here. I do not feel it is accurate to even use the word "men" to describe these shallow, sycophantic troglodytes. Though many of the feminist types do not agree with opening doors for ladies and pulling chairs for them, I do believe that is the only way to treat a lady. My lady appreciates my actions immensely. If only more men were like us, perhaps the preconceived notions about men would finally wither away in the not-so-gentle Santa Ana winds.
I hate the fact that I'm responding to something you posted. Just wanted to get that out of the way.
If the Texans graded this years' QB's as closely as reported, I'm more than happy that they waited until the 4th round to pick one. My grandmother knew the Texans need a QB. She's been dead since 2001.
Just because you need a QB doesn't mean you need to draft one with a high draft pick just because you need one. Draft position doesn't equate to success. If all of the QB prospects grade out to the 4th round on your board, taking one in the 2nd isn't going to improve his chances of being successful in the NFL. It just means you passed on a different player that did have a better chance.
In all seriousness, this simply wasn't a great QB class. There are a ton of QB's that could be good or great, but there was no Luck or Manning in this draft that just blew the rest of the competition away. There is an NFL graveyard full of NFL careers with "He had a ton of potential" on their headstones.
In 3 years, I'll bet the Texans 1-3 picks will have had better careers than the QB's picked instead of them.
I'll freely admit that I would've moved back up in the 3rd and taken McCarron or possibly
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
His demeanor in the video reminds me of a man trying to gently prepare his wife for an inevitable divorce.
"I'm not saying I want a divorce, I'm just wondering if this marriage is right for us."
"I just look at the past twelve years, and we were only happy for three."
"I won't be coming home for a while. But we'll see what happens."
"I'm not saying I want a divorce, I'm just wondering if this marriage is right for us."
"I just look at the past twelve years, and we were only happy for three."
"I won't be coming home for a while. But we'll see what happens."
The cap space gained doesn't equal the talent lost is what I mean. I couldn't care less about cap space with AJ. In my mind, he transcends that. He's special in ways that JJ, hopefully, won't be. JJ hasn't dealt with the adversity AJ has or had to restructure his contract, yearly, as AJ has done. JJ is THE TEXAN, but he's still on his rookie contract. Let's see how TEXAN he is in two.
Good answer. I was in southern Long Beach for 6 months in 2013 and have been in El Centro ever since.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
Nah man just fun and games. I just wanted to use * to curse. Your **** 's don't bother me. Get out of that damn state ASAP before it stank rubs of on ya...
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