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No QB and I'm not even the least bit upset

The chance of a 3rd or 4th round QB becoming a top line started doesn't justify overreaching for one on draft day. Our QB situation makes me nervous and after the whole "kubiak: qb guru" stuff I don't really trust a coach to turn a lump of cat doodoo into a candy bar worth eating. I just think we're going into the season with fitz and some career backups and have to wait for the franchise guy. After Teddy went in the first I didn't think we'd go for a qb.

I like the picks we've made so far...we still have a lot of holes though. Maybe the fastest way to turn a team around is by building a nutty defense.
 
Corrosion said:
I like Smith .... But think you can get him UDFA.

He spent a lot of time running for his life behind that terribad OL in Wyoming but made a lot of plays. I was surprised he wasn't invited to the combine.

McCarron is the guy I'd like to see slide to them at their next pick which is 4:35 (a comp pick) since they traded away 4:1 & 5:1 for 3:19 and Nix.

Murray would be my next choice behind Katherine Webb .... errr McCarron.
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You know how much I like Smith.

At 4-35 these would be my QB;s of choice. All have as much ability as the big 3 QB's and 1 should be available. Smith has played this draft perfectly. I never thought I would say that. Strange things are happening on Kirby. (Intelligent draft picks are being made.)

1. Savage
2.Smith
3. McCarron
4. Murray
5. Mettenberger
 
steelbtexan said:
You know how much I like Smith.

At 4-35 these would be my QB;s of choice. All have as much ability as the big 3 QB's.

1. Savage
2. Smith
3. McCarron
4. Murray
5. Mettenberger
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For me its:

McCarron
Murray
Smith
Mettenberger


I want no part of Savage , I'd take Boyd before him.
 
Completely agree with the OP, I would have loved Teddy B at 33, but we don't want to be like the Browns, taking QB after QB with upside and never giving him any tools/weapons to succeed at the NFL level.

Better off having Fitzpatrick/Keenum behind a fixed Oline, and getting someone better next year, than to throw a rookie to the wolves without fixing the reasons why our QB last year couldn't get it done.

Time to start swatting up on next years QB prospects. :koolaid:
 
I am going to respect the hell out of them if they resist the urge to waste a pick on a QB they don't believe will be the one.
 
Corrosion said:
No QB in the first 4 picks , biggest hole on the roster still to be filled .... and I'm thrilled with the first 4 picks.

Purely on talent , this might be the best draft in the history of the franchise .... even if they didn't fill the biggest need.


Watt , Nix , Clowney , Mercilus & Cushing ..... QB's have to be concerned.
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Patience amigo :d:
 
Corrosion said:
No QB ?? ..... No Problem.

One of the three on the roster gets run out there. With the front seven they have constructed , that QB doesn't have to win the game , he just has to avoid making mistakes that lose it.
Find another corner with this comp pick @ 4:35 then a DE for depth .... they still have moves to make in FA.


Sh!t this team may surprise the hell out of us and make the playoffs .... with one of the QB's already on the roster. They made significant upgrades to crucial positions.
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Having a strong OL will make all the difference in the world. It may even make one of our present quarterbacks look like world beaters when they don't have to run for their life before being planted in the ground.

The trenches on either side have been bamboo walls for way to long.........nice to see that THEY are the priority now.
 
welsh texan said:
Completely agree with the OP, I would have loved Teddy B at 33, but we don't want to be like the Browns, taking QB after QB with upside and never giving him any tools/weapons to succeed at the NFL level.

Better off having Fitzpatrick/Keenum behind a fixed Oline, and getting someone better next year, than to throw a rookie to the wolves without fixing the reasons why our QB last year couldn't get it done.

Time to start swatting up on next years QB prospects. :koolaid:
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The life a of a Houston sports fan :(
 
I am not upset either. I think this has been a fantastic draft so far. There is such a different feel about this year's draft and the players they are drafting. All A-1 prospects. Was a little concerned with Nix still there with the TE pick. But if you have any inkling of the offense OB will run, this was a fantastic pick and we still get Nix.

Without a top-flight QB in this year's draft, we have to fix our other problems with the BPA and we are doing just that. Throw any rookie QB in last years team and it is Carr all over again. I don't think they had any plans of starting a rookie QB this year anyways and with so many remaining, there is still the opportunity to get one they believe will develop into a starter.

I am not going to complain about who we pick or do not pick. With a new coach and coaching staff, they get the benefit of the doubt - at least this year.

:fans::fans::fans:
 
I am really stoked about our potential OL this year..........and I wouldn't at all be surprised if OB doesn't find some additional nuggets in the UDFA group. That being said, although I remain hopeful, I still have questions about how much we can depend on Ques who had an uncharacterized fracture of the foot---------a more benign Jones fracture vs. a Yoa Ming type of recurrent chronic degenerative fracture? Or how much we can depend on Brennan Williams after a microfracture surgery of the knee? Believe it or not, I probably have at least as much hope for Derrick Newton, after he's finally had an entire offseason to heal and rehab from his patellar tendon rupture surgery. When it's all said and done, I believe we will be pleasantly surprised with this year's Texans OL transformation.
 
Grams said:
I am not upset either. I think this has been a fantastic draft so far. There is such a different feel about this year's draft and the players they are drafting. All A-1 prospects. Was a little concerned with Nix still there with the TE pick. But if you have any inkling of the offense OB will run, this was a fantastic pick and we still get Nix.

Without a top-flight QB in this year's draft, we have to fix our other problems with the BPA and we are doing just that. Throw any rookie QB in last years team and it is Carr all over again. I don't think they had any plans of starting a rookie QB this year anyways and with so many remaining, there is still the opportunity to get one they believe will develop into a starter.

I am not going to complain about who we pick or do not pick. With a new coach and coaching staff, they get the benefit of the doubt - at least this year.

:fans::fans::fans:
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Sounds like my thoughts back when Kubes first arrived.
 
OK, we haven't gotten our franchise QB yet. But we got four starters in the first three rounds. BoB can't fix every single position in one year.

And for those that said you build a team in the trenches, you are my guys. It's the truth. I totally love this draft so far.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Believe it or not, I probably have at least as much hope for Derrick Newton, after he's finally had an entire offseason to heal and rehab from his patellar tendon rupture surgery. When it's all said and done, I believe we will be pleasantly surprised with this year's Texans OL transformation.
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I didn't like Newton at RT prior to the injury. I still would like to see him at guard. Between Quessenberry and Williams, hopefully they will get something. And I think one of the 6 remaining picks could be spent on the o-line. But, I would like a sure thing at RT. Maybe someone will become available?

I'm not upset about QB, because I think the Mallett deal gets done. Which would put even more emphasis on RT. Mallett isn't a Schaub type statue. But, he's not Russell Wilson, either. He needs protection.
 
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Why is everyone so high on the Mullet QB? Obviously Belicheck doesn't think much of him, or he wouldn't have taken Gaparo...whatever.

I don't even want Mallet. I hope they don't trade anything for him.
 
Vance87 said:
Am I the only one not completely giving up on Keenum at this point? I mean it's an outside shot I know.
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Right now I hope we don`t get another QB and give Keenum another chance. But a very different chance.

This team has to be a running team now. We have the O-Line for it. I don`t want Keenum to throw the ball more than 20 times a game. But when he throws, the defense should be expecting run.

This team is much more QB friendly than last years team. And we finally should be able to stop the run as well. All we need now is another great ILB (got my eye on Shayne Skov) and another bruising and we are good to go. I´d go ILB in the 4th and then HB, CB, S after that. Great draft!

We´ve gotten 3 players with a first round grade so far and a TE that gets compared to Gronk. And we might be able to get Mallet for a late rounder - I don`t like Mallet that much, but I´d much rather take a chance on the guy with the strongest arm in the NFL that got to learn from Brady and Bellichik in the last 3 years, than with any of the remaining QBs. If it doesn`t work out, he can walk next season.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I get the impression that O'Brien is trying to build a team, O-line and D-line, prior to finding a QB to lead that team. I agree with this method of team building. I don't think this is a 1 yr. plan, I think he's on a 2-3 yr. team building plan. And 2-3 yrs. from now I think we'll all be thrilled with the team we have that O'Brien built. I'm fine with the lack of a new QB until O'Brien gets a real chance to evaluate what we already have.
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But, but, but McNair said we're not rebuilding... :clown:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Believe it or not, I probably have at least as much hope for Derrick Newton, after he's finally had an entire offseason to heal and rehab from his patellar tendon rupture surgery.
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sorry doc, but i dont think health was newton's issue. it may have been AN issue, but it wasnt THE issue. dude has poor read, poor bend and poor hands. his feet were exceptionally bad, but even if he had the best wheels ever after injury, he's still bad. he doesnt have the best wheels ever - injured or not.
 
gtexan02 said:
The true philosophy of the Texans has always been patience, strength in the trenches, and building slowly through the draft.
Because of that, we've always been "a year away"

Everyone who says our QB will be there in 2015 is the perfect Texans fan. "We are built for the long haul and will be contenders in just a few years."

I can see the excuses for passing all the QBs in next year's draft as well. "You don't force a need pick. You take BPA. We need more defensive lineman."

Sometimes you ignore needs and take the best player at the position. When your need is the most important player on the team, it's hard to see how that strategy is going to lead to success in the immediate future
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Yeah, there'll be QB's in 2015, but we'll be too far down in the draft order to land a top one, unless we're going to tank this season as well.
 
Vance87 said:
Am I the only one not completely giving up on Keenum at this point? I mean it's an outside shot I know.
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You're not alone. I don't think we are right but we're not alone. It's a variation of the same bug that infects the Vince and Johnny Football fans. There's no cure for us but it can be treated. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

Hi everybody. My name is Hervoyel and I am a Case Keenum fan.
 
I still believe Keenum CAN TAKE THIS TEAM TO WHERE IT WANTS TO BE. If he can get a coach who works with his strengths instead of trying to turn him into someone he is not like kubiak was then the boy has a chance.

Keenum will never be you basic pocket passer, it amazes me that when Keenum was in we never saw any boot leg passes it was always a 5-3 step drop. It almost seems to me Kubiak was wanting keenum to fail.
 
Hervoyel said:
You're not alone. I don't think we are right but we're not alone. It's a variation of the same bug that infects the Vince and Johnny Football fans. There's no cure for us but it can be treated. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

Hi everybody. My name is Hervoyel and I am a Case Keenum fan.
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Right on Herv! I'd rep ya if I could. And I'm right there with ya.
 
EllisUnit said:
It almost seems to me Kubiak was wanting keenum to fail.
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It would certainly appear that way. I don't know if it's true or not considering Kubiak was fighting for his job, but if nothing else, it did show Kubiak wasn't playing to Case's strengths.
 
I'm actually over it EllisUnit. Lets say we all looked at 2013 and all the reasons why Case didn't take the next step up are out of his control/hands and not his fault. Total benefit of the doubt given got it? It's still over. The NFL isn't "fair" and the NFL moves fast. A lot of guys never get much of a chance anyway. The reason teams can pick up street free agents who step in and play well all the time is because good players go home at the end of training came all the time. You have this tiny window to show what you're made of and then somebody has to make a decision about you because standing still is professional suicide. Case got signed. Case got to go to training camp. Case spent a year on the practice squad and Case shined in preseason earning him a spot on the 53. Case got to play and looked good, then OK, and then not very good at all in a bunch of starts. That's an extended look. That's more of a look than most prospects ever get.

Despite the terrible way 2013 played out I think Case's luck continues. No, I don't think he'll be the starter and/or lead us to any promised land. I'm over that. I think that his luck has continued because he wasn't sent packing immediately when OB began shaping his team. He's getting to go to offseason training with the team and work with OB. That's an opportunity. He's most likely going to impress him because he's got a high football IQ, good attitude, and soaks up coaching. That will probably get him an invite to camp where he'll get to compete for a roster spot.

But it will be as a backup almost certainly and all of that's assuming the Texans don't trade for Mallet or draft a QB at all. If they grab McCarron, Mettenberger, or Savage then Case will be fighting for the 2/3 spot with Yates.

It's almost certainly over for him after that. At least here.
 
I love this draft so far, but I'd be completely psyched if the rest of thevdraft went:
#135- Shayne Skov...... big, nasty, smart ILB. Surprised he's still on the board actually.
#177- Logan Thomas...... The guy had a lot of people thinking 1st or 2nd round QB until this past season. He has GREAT size for the position (6'6" & 260lbs.), an absolute bazooka of an arm, he's mobile for a guy his size. I think his problem is betWeen the ears, and if Coach is as good with QBs as advertised, then he can work with that.
#181- Isaiah Crowell...... Might be the most talented RB in the draft. I think it's definitely worth the risk at this point for someone who could be your starter at the position soon.
 
rmartin65 said:
The crazy thing is, he apparently is not.

Only here would a 26 y/o QB with an 0-9 record and a 54% completion rate, and who can't read a blitz to save his life, be supported as a possible solution at QB.

Must be nice to be a local boy.
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Circumstances clouded the issue and I wish that hadn't happened (though it's par for the course in football being a team sport). Makes it hard to look at one guy you like and be objective about him.

It's like this, Say for instance the Texans had won a couple of those first few starts of his, where he looked pretty good and seemed to give the team a real spark we might be talking differently about him. They didn't though and truthfully, absolutely truthfully they didn't lose all of those games because of Case. That's a fact (kind of common fact throughout the league playing a team sport. Rarely does one guy cost the team a game all on his own). People who like Case (I'm among them) tend to point to that and say "He isn't the reason we lost".

Problem here is that he also isn't the reason we overcame whatever cost us the game and won either because well, we didn't.

It's tough to be objective when you like the guy but it's time to put the infatuation away and get on with things.
 
Lucky said:
I didn't like Newton at RT prior to the injury. I still would like to see him at guard. Between Quessenberry and Williams, hopefully they will get something. And I think one of the 6 remaining picks could be spent on the o-line. But, I would like a sure thing at RT. Maybe someone will become available?

I'm not upset about QB, because I think the Mallett deal gets done. Which would put even more emphasis on RT. Mallett isn't a Schaub type statue. But, he's not Russell Wilson, either. He needs protection.
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Scooter said:
sorry doc, but i dont think health was newton's issue. it may have been AN issue, but it wasnt THE issue. dude has poor read, poor bend and poor hands. his feet were exceptionally bad, but even if he had the best wheels ever after injury, he's still bad. he doesnt have the best wheels ever - injured or not.
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I'm also looking for Newton at G (but wouldn't totally rule out RT). Keep in mind that Newton was dealing with patellar tendonitis early into his rookie season (his pre-rupture period was not the same as his pre-injury period). This condition is progressive. Under these circumstances, he likely would not have had a decent time to develop to begin with, as patellar tendonitis can be quite debilitating with a negative effect especially on a lineman who consistently has to move against great resistance. I'm not saying Newton come back as a barn burner, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he surprised some people.
 
gtexan02 said:
The game has changed too much since then. You cant make that comparison anymore
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Not comparing Johnson/Dilfer to Russell Wilson, BUT pointing out that it was done through killer Defense last season. Wilson didn't do anything more than a Johnson/Dilfer performance to hoist the lombardy. I'm not saying SB for us this season, but the D is starting to have a FEARFUL look even if half the picks play as 1st rd talent. We could be sitting in the catbird seat this time next season, which is the best I can hope for in a team overhaul.

I hope this D-line has a positive effect on the 2ndary. The next 2 picks will be telling.
 
Anyone who says they are excited to see the QB prospects in 2015 just seems to have already given up on this season. That makes me sad
I'm inpatient. We've been building "the right way" for 10+ years now and where has it gotten us? 2-14.
 
gtexan02 said:
Anyone who says they are excited to see the QB prospects in 2015 just seems to have already given up on this season. That makes me sad
I'm inpatient. We've been building "the right way" for 10+ years now and where has it gotten us? 2-14.
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Another problem with that line of thinking is that people were excited about this year's crop of QBs until a couple months into the season. The grass always looks greener.

That said, I really like the Texans' draft. They are getting talent, and not reaching for a QB that has significant question marks.
 
BigBull said:
Seahawks did it this year. They put the clamp on the best offense in the NFL.


Sent from the future...
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They also put up 43 points.

Anyone who thinks Russell Wilson is another Trent Dilfer... well let's just say I'm amazed they can manage to string together enough cogent thoughts to even manage to get on the internet.
 
midway said:
They also put up 43 points.

Anyone who thinks Russell Wilson is another Trent Dilfer... well let's just say I'm amazed they can manage to string together enough cogent thoughts to even manage to get on the internet.
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The offense didn't put up 43 points, they got 9 from the defense and 7 from the ST and were given great field position all game long due to turnovers forced by the defense.
 
rmartin65 said:
Another problem with that line of thinking is that people were excited about this year's crop of QBs until a couple months into the season. The grass always looks greener.

That said, I really like the Texans' draft. They are getting talent, and not reaching for a QB that has significant question marks.
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I don't recall much press about this group of QBs back in September. Of course, at the time I thought the Texans had a QB and I wasn't really following everyone from that point of view.

I think if Mariota, Hundley, or Winston were in this year's draft they'd all have gone before Bortles.

The Texans can still have a good year without getting a top flight QB. The defensive and O-line improvements could net 4 extra wins. The coaching change could net another 2. Even average QB play could add 2 more.

Draft a McCarron, Savage, Murray, Thomas in the next few rounds and let Fitz start. He was going to be the starter anyways unless the team took someone at 1.1. If the rookie isn't looking like he's picking up the offense then you make a move to get one of the 3 coming out next year.

I like what they've done. They're shoring up holes with top notch low risk guys. Get these positions set and it's a lot easier to find that QB. Getting better players can make good QBs look great.
 
It's obvious that this draft IS all about getting a QB. We're making our DL so nasty, that opposing QBs will be flocking to us in free agency in order to avoid going up against our defense.

Savvy move, O'Brien.
 
I think I know who we covet...but if I told you I'd have to kill you. A bunch of you. So it ain't worth it.
 
I love what we have done so far. The past few years we have seen our front 7 on defense depleted in free agency and we saw the same thing in the oline/father time. This team was not going to bounce back to contention in one year no matter who we drafted at QB. The people who said that are friggin blind because this team had too many holes all across the board.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I'm also looking for Newton at G (but wouldn't totally rule out RT). Keep in mind that Newton was dealing with patellar tendonitis early into his rookie season (his pre-rupture period was not the same as his pre-injury period). This condition is progressive. Under these circumstances, he likely would not have had a decent time to develop to begin with, as patellar tendonitis can be quite debilitating with a negative effect especially on a lineman who consistently has to move against great resistance. I'm not saying Newton come back as a barn burner, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he surprised some people.
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Didn't Newton have knee surgery in the off season last year, Doc?

I don't know if the Texans can count on either of the three guys at RT.
I hope they draft another one today.
 
76Texan said:
Didn't Newton have knee surgery in the off season last year, Doc?

I don't know if the Texans can count on either of the three guys at RT.
I hope they draft another one today.
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But having three possibilities increases the odds that one of them will pan out... It is a reasonable gamble.
 
gtexan02 said:
Anyone who says they are excited to see the QB prospects in 2015 just seems to have already given up on this season. That makes me sad
I'm inpatient. We've been building "the right way" for 10+ years now and where has it gotten us? 2-14.
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There are different way to build a team.
Nobody can deny that the Texans had problems on both sides of the ball last year.

The LG and the RT positions were deficient. The TEs spent more time in the tub than on the field, and the running game was never there to carry it's own load.
The pass rush was nonexistent but for Watt.
The D couldn't get off the field; instead, they helped prolong drive for opponents.
And our LBS also joined the other guys in the tub.

It is ludicrous to ask any QB to perform well under those circumstances.

What we know for a fact is that Keenum had leapfrogged Yates in the pecking order.
That's improvement, whether people want to admit it or not.
The team did not use their five (of their top six) spots to draft a QB.
These facts ought to tell something.

If the Texans are going to make a blockbuster move to trade for a legit QB, they will get back to square one. This is highly unlikely.

I wish people just realize this and move on.
 
rmartin65 said:
The crazy thing is, he apparently is not.

Only here would a 26 y/o QB with an 0-9 record and a 54% completion rate, and who can't read a blitz to save his life, be supported as a possible solution at QB.

Must be nice to be a local boy.
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Local has absolutely nothing to do with it. If he was from Saskatchewan University I'd feel the same.
 
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