There's the rub. Can Ricky get his guy @1-6? If he has to spend picks to move back up, it's not really worth the effort.
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I´d definetly want the first next year. I´d be ok with just 1-6, 2nd and next years first. I´d probably consider 1-6, 3d and next years first...
At 6 one of those guys is definetly available:
Clowney
Robinson
Matthews
Mack
Watkins
Bortles
Manziel
I´d be ok with any of them - and even with Bridgewater even though his stack has fallen.
Originally Posted by JB
I would want 6, 37, 68 and 2015 first that will likely be mid 20's
I said this a week ago. NO!!! The future pick must be a first rounder IMO.
Why do you expect THAT MUCH ? And if you say Draft Value Chart, why do you think it's relevant this year, what do you base it on ?
I don't know if you are talking to me or Mussop, but if to me then I would have to ask if you had trouble with reading comprehension. I said that is what I wanted, not what was expected. But I wouldn't do it for much less. As far as the Draft Value Chart, I referenced it for just that, so we would have a reference point
Texian
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Why is it not relevant? Jimmy Johnson inventor of the chart says just because rookie salary has changed, player value has not, so the chart is still relevant.
For Me: it's swap 1st in 2014, plus ATL 2nd RD; 2015 1st RD and 2015 3rd RD.
beerlover
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It's too arbitray, too random. Logically we know that draft classes change every year, consequently every one is unique. Some classes have very valuable QB prospects, while other classes don't but might have very deep talent where there's not that much difference between the 3th overall and the 6th overall.
For example the Draft value chart says that last year Eric Fischer was as valuable as both Tavon Austin and Sheldon Richardson combined. That's silly, but on the other hand, there's no doubt that the 2012 top pick (Andrew Luck), was certainly more valuable than both of those players together.
If the draft classes were the same, and evenly balanced throughout the rounds it would mean something, but they are anything but that. If you were to base a DVC on logic, you'd have a different Chart for every year/Draft Class.
Dan B.
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Lots of people have been saying this. Who is the can't miss guy next year? I know Winston and Hundley are basically gone. I don't like Winston's chances to be frank, and I like Hundley but not so much for O'Brien's style of offense. I don't see a potential Luck next year either.
And Mort heard this from who on the Texans' staff??
The Pencil Neck
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Charlie Casserly.
badboy
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I understand what you want but Falcons allegedly shot that down & I am thinking "get what you can Ric" in this deep draft.
nytexan
Waterboy
Mariota out of Oregon, Winston and Petty out of Baylor to begin with, plus Hundley out of UCLA
badboy
Hall of Fame
Beginning of '13 season this draft looked to be super strong at Qb and that supposedly has not turned out.
nytexan
Waterboy
Mariota was expected to come out, no-one could have predicted he'd get hurt during the season and come back to school.
That's no reason not to set ourselves up if we have the chance.
Depends on how you define "Super Strong"
I always heard there were no "can't miss" franchise guys, but several that will have long successful careers. Looks that way to me. McCarron, Carr, Murray, Bridgewater, Mettenberger.... I'm sure two of those guys will be starters & Garoppolo, Bortles, Manziel, Fales, may add another.
I sure hope they make that trade. It seems to be team building suicide, but hopefully they go for it. I'd run to the podium with that trade agreement.
–Texas would get No. 6 overall 2014, No. 37 (second), No. 68 (third) and next year’s No. 1.
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Not gonna happen, no way Jose, not even close. Maybe they could get ATLs first and second and a mid-round 2015 pick, but that's the best deal they'll see if they see that.
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Not gonna happen, no way Jose, not even close. Maybe they could get ATLs first and second and a mid-round 2015 pick, but that's the best deal they'll see if they see that.
DX-TEX
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Nope. Its 1,2,3 this year and #1 next year. If they don't agree....meh, fudge em. You still have the #1 overall pick.
I'd take either of the top two scenarios before playing hardball and getting stuck with the 1st overall pick. Way too deep of a draft to do that.
JMHO, though....
badboy
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I think some are slipping into 'this is what I want for 1.1' syndrome and not remembering the deal has to be accepted. Watkins and Robinson are probably only two "minimal risk" choices. Most now agree none of QBs are solid first pick so if we can get a trade from another team offering a top 8 player + at least two more picks, why refuse deal if 2015 first not offered?
Yeah I want it but let's not cut our nose off to spite face
Yeah I want it but let's not cut our nose off to spite face
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
I agree with this logic. The draft is loaded this year, so why not give a buyer's incentive to secure two more picks in the first 3 rounds? I feel like the draft chart only works when teams are jumping over themselves to get a certain player.
I'm with you guys. I think of it as swapping Clowney (or whoever the Falcons draft @ 1-1) for the chance to fill three spots for the upcoming season.
Next year can take care of itself.
badboy
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yeah a first round is good but you do not know where that team ends up picking or who will be there. Go for most you can get but get something. I'm not sure Browns and Vikings are out of it yet.
If the Browns are in it, what's the price difference, in picks, between taking #4 or #26? Taking #26 is one helluva trade back and would take considerable more compensation, imo, even if they were in rounds 3-4.
What would be acceptable to you?
I would take #4, 26, and a 4th in 2014 plus a 3rd in 2015 and give them our 3:1 this year
Link?
Unless they trade down with a team that doesn't want a qb.
badboy
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We get Browns 1.4 & 1.26, 2.3, 3.7 & 3.19 = both of their firsts, swap seconds and both their thirds.
Cleveland gets 1.1 & 2.1
You have to give them incentive to trade. In this deal, I am unconcerned about points.
Honestly, an epic deal of this nature seems too good to be true...as a Texans fan.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Its a new day in Houston. BOB will lead us out of the darkness and into the light.
ATXtexanfan
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right! especially when they're not chasing a qb
GM of the year!!!
No kidding...I'd hurt myself doing the happy dance!!!
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JCTexan
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Yeah it does. Maybe the Texans actually like Clowney and it would take this sort of package to pass on him? Otherwise, forget the 2016 1st rounder, add a 3rd round pick this year and make it happen. Two 1st-rounders, a 2nd-rounder & a 3rd would seem a tad more realistic.
I hope you're right. Every new regime brings the potential to change the nature of Houston's pro football history.
I'm on the fence....waiting. Grass is always greener yada yada yada, but half the time it's because the grass grows well over a septic tank.
My conditioning as a lifelong H-town football fan has made me jaded and cynical, but I try not to put all that baggage on a new head coach. However, I cannot run from it. It is me, so I sip some koolaid - mainly to make sure it's not poisoned for the rest of you - and wait to react.
If they pull it off, I'll be happy to react in a very happy manner.
Might even put on my dancing shoes with DocBar.
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
If all we do is swap 1's and get a 3 i'll be pissed. I agree our asking price may drop the closer we get but not as much as he thinks. I think there's more then just Atlanta in the trade up camp...let them bid against each other.
Playoffs
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As would I. We need to kill it in a trade or draft our guy.
Troy Chapman
Rookie
I read it as swap firsts this year, get their 1st next year and their third this year. Need something else as it appears Atlanta does not want to give up their 2nd round pick.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
If they wont include this years 2nd in that deal then Rick needs to walk away.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
What if their guy is a player you absolutely know would be there at 6? Why not take the deal and get the extra picks instead of making a reach at 1.1?
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