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Falcons ‘most likely’ partner if Texans deal No. 1 pick in 2014 NFL draft

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House of Pain

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http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/24/atlanta-falcons-trade-houston-texans-2014-nfl-draft/

I know there is all sorts of scuttlebutt out there about what the Texans are doing with their #1 pick, but I thought I'd ask the question: If the Texans do trade back, what would you think they should get in return? (Assuming the report is true and the Texans would trade with the Falcons)

I would think:

Falcons get--
#1 pick of the 1st Round (2014)

Texans get--
#6 pick of the 1st Round (2014)
#6 pick of the 2nd Round (2014)
#6 pick of the 3rd Round (2014)
#6 pick of the 2014 1st Round (2015)

By all accounts this is a deep draft. The Texans can get their pick at #6. They also pick up much needed extra picks in the first round, not to mention having two 1st round picks in the 2015 Draft. I would feel much better going forward with the Texans picking 5 times in the first 3 rounds.

What do y'all think?
 
House of Pain said:
http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/24/atlanta-falcons-trade-houston-texans-2014-nfl-draft/

I know there is all sorts of scuttlebutt out there about what the Texans are doing with their #1 pick, but I thought I'd ask the question: If the Texans do trade back, what would you think they should get in return? (Assuming the report is true and the Texans would trade with the Falcons)

I would think:

Falcons get--
#1 pick of the 1st Round (2014)

Texans get--
#6 pick of the 1st Round (2014)
#6 pick of the 2nd Round (2014)
#6 pick of the 3rd Round (2014)
#6 pick of the 2014 1st Round (2015)

By all accounts this is a deep draft. The Texans can get their pick at #6. They also pick up much needed extra picks in the first round, not to mention having two 1st round picks in the 2015 Draft. I would feel much better going forward with the Texans picking 5 times in the first 3 rounds.

What do y'all think?
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I like it a lot, but it's even better since Atlanta has the #5 pick in the second round and the #4 pick in the third round this year. The first next year would probably be in the 20's
 
That trade don't make sense. That's just too many picks to give away just to move up 5 spots, come on now. ATL does not have a lot of quality picks. They have TWO 7th rounders and such, and they have a lot of holes to fill. O line, TE ( Tony gonzales replacement ) pass rush....etc

We lucky if they do 1st round + 2nd round + 4th round pick for our 1st.
That's what i would ask if I was GM.
 
honored82 said:
That trade don't make sense. That's just too many picks to give away just to move up 5 spots, come on now. ATL does not have a lot of quality picks. They have TWO 7th rounders and such, and they have a lot of holes to fill. O line, TE ( Tony gonzales replacement ) pass rush....etc

We lucky if they do 1st round + 2nd round + 4th round pick for our 1st.
That's what i would ask if I was GM.
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Agreed. Atlanta's GM would be ran out of town on a rail for making that deal. Atlanta needs to nail this draft as badly as the Texans do and they are also more than a couple of players away.
 
honored82 said:
That trade don't make sense. That's just too many picks to give away just to move up 5 spots, come on now. ATL does not have a lot of quality picks. They have TWO 7th rounders and such, and they have a lot of holes to fill. O line, TE ( Tony gonzales replacement ) pass rush....etc

We lucky if they do 1st round + 2nd round + 4th round pick for our 1st.
That's what i would ask if I was GM.
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It all depends on how bad they want Clowney. When the Falcons made a similar trade for Julio Jones they traded their 1st (27th overall), 2nd (59th), 4th (124th overall) round picks in 2011 and their 1st & 4th in 2012. Moving up to #1 for Clowney for that package doesn't seem outlandish in comparison.
 
uh, yes PLEASE.


swap 1'st. we get their 2nd and 4th. they get our 5th and we get their 1st next year.
 
House of Pain said:
http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/24/atlanta-falcons-trade-houston-texans-2014-nfl-draft/

I know there is all sorts of scuttlebutt out there about what the Texans are doing with their #1 pick, but I thought I'd ask the question: If the Texans do trade back, what would you think they should get in return? (Assuming the report is true and the Texans would trade with the Falcons)

I would think:

Falcons get--
#1 pick of the 1st Round (2014)

Texans get--
#6 pick of the 1st Round (2014)
#6 pick of the 2nd Round (2014)
#6 pick of the 3rd Round (2014)
#6 pick of the 2014 1st Round (2015)

By all accounts this is a deep draft. The Texans can get their pick at #6. They also pick up much needed extra picks in the first round, not to mention having two 1st round picks in the 2015 Draft. I would feel much better going forward with the Texans picking 5 times in the first 3 rounds.

What do y'all think?
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That's all? You forgot to throw in Matt Ryan and Julio Jones. I mean come on. :headhurts:
 
House of Pain said:
http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/24/atlanta-falcons-trade-houston-texans-2014-nfl-draft/

I know there is all sorts of scuttlebutt out there about what the Texans are doing with their #1 pick, but I thought I'd ask the question: If the Texans do trade back, what would you think they should get in return? (Assuming the report is true and the Texans would trade with the Falcons)

I would think:

Falcons get--
#1 pick of the 1st Round (2014)

Texans get--
#6 pick of the 1st Round (2014)
#6 pick of the 2nd Round (2014)
#6 pick of the 3rd Round (2014)
#6 pick of the 2014 1st Round (2015)

By all accounts this is a deep draft. The Texans can get their pick at #6. They also pick up much needed extra picks in the first round, not to mention having two 1st round picks in the 2015 Draft. I would feel much better going forward with the Texans picking 5 times in the first 3 rounds.

What do y'all think?
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If it were only true, but we are all dreaming if we think Clowney can fetch that volume and quality of picks.
 
honored82 said:
That was jumping 27th overall to 6th for Julio.

This is 6th to 1st. Not many spots here.

I believe all these draft pick trades have a formula or points. They all look the same unless you are dealing with Belichick.
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It actually takes a lot more to move from 6th to 1st then from 27th to 6th if you go by the chart points system.
 
Water is wet..


STL is sitting pretty @ #2

Jax isn't making a deal with the Texans being a division rival

Cleveland will have a chance at hitting a home run at #4 where they are already guaranteed one of Clowney , Robinson , Mack or Watkins and probably their choice of at least two of the top 3 QB's.

Oakland has no motive to move up & have more holes to fill than picks.

ATL is the most likely being they have their QB (If they can keep him upright) and adding a guy like Clowney , should he be all that gives them a formidable defensive front for a potential deep playoff run (Again , if they can keep their QB upright). They could also make that same move and take Robinson instead of Clowney.
 
I really wouldnt want to do this trade. The only other players i want besides clowney are mack or bridgewater. And i think Mack will be gone by the 6th pick and I think you can nab bridgewater later in the round.
 
House of Pain said:
http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/24/atlanta-falcons-trade-houston-texans-2014-nfl-draft/

I know there is all sorts of scuttlebutt out there about what the Texans are doing with their #1 pick, but I thought I'd ask the question: If the Texans do trade back, what would you think they should get in return? (Assuming the report is true and the Texans would trade with the Falcons)

I would think:

Falcons get--
#1 pick of the 1st Round (2014)

Texans get--
#6 pick of the 1st Round (2014)
#6 pick of the 2nd Round (2014)
#6 pick of the 3rd Round (2014)
#6 pick of the 2014 1st Round (2015)

By all accounts this is a deep draft. The Texans can get their pick at #6. They also pick up much needed extra picks in the first round, not to mention having two 1st round picks in the 2015 Draft. I would feel much better going forward with the Texans picking 5 times in the first 3 rounds.

What do y'all think?
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By doing the math, that trade is about right.
 
stingray said:
I really wouldnt want to do this trade. The only other players i want besides clowney are mack or bridgewater. And i think Mack will be gone by the 6th pick and I think you can nab bridgewater later in the round.
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You could always move back again and pick up more draft picks in the process.
 
Corrosion said:
Water is wet..


STL is sitting pretty @ #2

Jax isn't making a deal with the Texans being a division rival

Cleveland will have a chance at hitting a home run at #4 where they are already guaranteed one of Clowney , Robinson , Mack or Watkins and probably their choice of at least two of the top 3 QB's.

Oakland has no motive to move up & have more holes to fill than picks.

ATL is the most likely being they have their QB (If they can keep him upright) and adding a guy like Clowney , should he be all that gives them a formidable defensive front for a potential deep playoff run (Again , if they can keep their QB upright). They could also make that same move and take Robinson instead of Clowney.
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I bet that would blow up some draft boards and get some telephones lighting up.

If the original scenario played out, I'd be more than happy take BPA at 1.6
 
DocBar said:
I bet that would blow up some draft boards and get some telephones lighting up.

If the original scenario played out, I'd be more than happy take BPA at 1.6
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Well , Atlanta's biggest issue last season was keeping Ryan upright , what better way to fix it than take the best OT in the draft ??? If Ryan isn't getting hit so often , that team is a real contender.

Or they could take one of Clowney or Mack , whichever they believe makes them the better team.


At 6 The Texans probably have a shot at two of Bortles , Bridgewater or Manziel
 
JCTexan said:
Julio Jones did.
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That's true, but it was a different deal in terms of what was exchanged by each team. Don't get me wrong, it would be great for us to get that deal, I hope they can pull it off or something close to it.
 
stingray said:
I really wouldnt want to do this trade. The only other players i want besides clowney are mack or bridgewater. And i think Mack will be gone by the 6th pick and I think you can nab bridgewater later in the round.
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This draft is so deep that I would jump all over this trade. If our plan is to revamp our defense to fit Crennel's system AND to upgrade our offense to fit OB's system, all those picks are going to come in really handy. Granted, we'd be going in with a really young team next year but we could make some serious upgrades with those picks.

Just going by the Texan's Talk Mock Draft

Pick #6 == Khalil Mack
Pick #37 == Morgan Moses, OT (With Yankey, Amaro, Niklas still on the board)
Pick #68 == Terrence Brooks, FS (With Garopollo, Hyde, Mettenberger, Deone Bucannon still on the board)

If you add that to our own picks... wow. You could do a lot with that draft.
 
I dont know if my math is right but heres a three way trade that would work. Falcons give their 2015 1st round pick(16th), 2014 6th overall pick and 2nd round (37th) to the Texans. Texans then trade the 6th 2014, and next years Falcons or Texans 1st round pick(16th) to the Rams. Texans would end up with the 2nd pick and can draft Khalil Mack and then pick up an the 37th pick just to move down one spot.

The reason for this trade is because im almost sure Mack will not be available at the 6th pick.
 
I feel like a comprehensive study of previous rick Smith trades vs. the draft chart values would make for a GREAT THREAD...but I have personal limitations which prevent me from doing so right now. At any rate, it's always felt like smith settles for less then what the chart demands. I'm not sure if that's a consistent all the time but if we do trade back, I do not expect a haul like the Herschel Walker or Julio Jones trades. Lose those expectations now.
 
stingray said:
I dont know if my math is right but heres a three way trade that would work. Falcons give their 2015 1st round pick(16th), 2014 6th overall pick and 2nd round (37th) to the Texans. Texans then trade the 6th 2014, and next years Falcons or Texans 1st round pick(16th) to the Rams. Texans would end up with the 2nd pick and can draft Khalil Mack and then pick up an the 37th pick just to move down one spot.

The reason for this trade is because im almost sure Mack will not be available at the 6th pick.
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Is Mack going to play Quarterback ?! :bubbles:
 
stingray said:
I dont know if my math is right but heres a three way trade that would work. Falcons give their 2015 1st round pick(16th), 2014 6th overall pick and 2nd round (37th) to the Texans. Texans then trade the 6th 2014, and next years Falcons or Texans 1st round pick(16th) to the Rams. Texans would end up with the 2nd pick and can draft Khalil Mack and then pick up an the 37th pick just to move down one spot.

The reason for this trade is because im almost sure Mack will not be available at the 6th pick.
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I don't think Mack is among the elite prospects in this Draft, who I believe to be limited to Clowney, WR Watkins, & OT Robinson. Mack is an excellent football player who would certainly help the Texans or any team that ends up with him, but he's not a truly elite talent IMO.
 
IDEXAN said:
I don't think Mack is among the elite prospects in this Draft, who I believe to be limited to Clowney, WR Watkins, & OT Robinson. Mack is an excellent football player who would certainly help the Texans or any team that ends up with him, but he's not a truly elite talent IMO.
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Well, thats where we disagree. :cool:
 
Rumor is it's the Texans who are generating these Falcons trade up rumors,

but a rumor about rumors is often rumerroneous. :bubbles:
 
Corrosion said:
Well , Atlanta's biggest issue last season was keeping Ryan upright , what better way to fix it than take the best OT in the draft ??? If Ryan isn't getting hit so often , that team is a real contender.

Or they could take one of Clowney or Mack , whichever they believe makes them the better team.


At 6 The Texans probably have a shot at two of Bortles , Bridgewater or Manziel
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I'm not disagreeing with you, just thinking of all the teams that would be lighting up the Rams telephones because Player X is still on the board.

I'm thinking some teams in the 20's that are one difference maker away from a championship would be willing to part with plenty to take their Player X at 1.2. Maybe I'm buying into some of the Clowney/Mack/Watkins hype, but I just see your scenario as game changing for some reason.
 
DocBar said:
I'm not disagreeing with you, just thinking of all the teams that would be lighting up the Rams telephones because Player X is still on the board.
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Corrosion said:
Water is wet..


STL is sitting pretty @ #2
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^^ My first post in this thread^^


I'm thinking some teams in the 20's that are one difference maker away from a championship would be willing to part with plenty to take their Player X at 1.2. Maybe I'm buying into some of the Clowney/Mack/Watkins hype, but I just see your scenario as game changing for some reason.
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I think it could be the first domino to fall ..... I could see a number of teams wanting to make a move up for one of the premium prospects who could be difference makers to those teams picking at the tail end of the round.

After Clowney & Mack , I think Watkins & Evans are the two players those teams would covet (KC , Carolina , SF , Pitt & Philly) as after them , the talent drops dramatically.

Other teams like Tennessee could surprise us and take a QB.

Yeah , the Rams are in real good position with #2 & #13
 
In the endless chatter about what the texans will do with their 1st overall pick the voice of those who have houston trading down were always in the background.

In the last days the possibility of a trade with atlanta is becoming ever more real.

It's no secret that I would rather a trade down scenario than drafting clowney.

I still am not sure on who to pick at #6 tho.

Anyways having some more picks in the 2nd and 3rd round could be the best help in our situation.

Since this topic has now some "meat" I thought it deserved it's own thread, if this is not the case feel free to merge to others.
 
IDEXAN said:
My prediction ? Texans unable to pull-off a trade for their #1 overall.
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Well they did get a trade for schaub :)

I don't know if pulling-off the trade is the difficult part

Getting a good deal and drafting the right players on the other hand....
 
How many posters in here from Italy ? Shouldn't Italian posters have atleast one thread of their own ?
 
IDEXAN said:
How many posters in here from Italy ? Shouldn't Italian posters have atleast one thread of their own ?
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They can have as many as they want as long as it isn't a repeat of another thread &/or in the right forum.
 
Corrosion said:
^^ My first post in this thread^^




I think it could be the first domino to fall ..... I could see a number of teams wanting to make a move up for one of the premium prospects who could be difference makers to those teams picking at the tail end of the round.

After Clowney & Mack , I think Watkins & Evans are the two players those teams would covet (KC , Carolina , SF , Pitt & Philly) as after them , the talent drops dramatically.

Other teams like Tennessee could surprise us and take a QB.

Yeah , the Rams are in real good position with #2 & #13
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I think Tenn will take a QB, but not in the 1st. They have too many other needs. Locker is adequate if and when he's healthy. If the top QB's slide to the late 1st or 2nd round, I could see them trading up for a QB.

Carolina could be drafting WR in every round cuz they really need some. :boogereater:
 
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