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So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?
- Thread starter Corrosion
- Start date
Are you speaking strictly of wasting a pick @ 1.1? It wouldn't hurt my feelings to pass on a QB @ 1.1 and take one in a later round, if that QB was BPA at the time.
LOL
You're having way too much fun with this.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Does it really matter? At the end of the day Fitzpatrick has kicked our ass whether a Titan or a Ram.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I agree, I would rather them try to get the franchise guy next season when better prospects should be available. Doesn't mean I want to watch a train wreck like last season, but if it happens so be it. I have been meaning to catch up on my string theory anyway.
I am sure UPS will be delivering your new Fitzpatrick jersey very soon. Be sure to post a pic when you get it.
He was just trolling trying to get me to go on a Schaub rant. Anyone who thinks the Texans have upgraded the QB position with Fitzpatrick needs to check themselves into a psychiatric ward immediately.
By the way, why are we discussing Wilson anyway? He is not going to be drafted by, nor traded to the Texans so what's the point?
kingtexan
All Pro
If we were to keep either of the leftovers from the former era, I think it would be Case. He has shown flashes of real talent. Was it the system? Was he just limited in ability? Or was it that every time he dropped back he seemed to have defenders all over him? I think he may have a chance to get the QB3 spot.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
I like the Pickspatrick...Man I hope we don't have to see THAT again. Had enough of that with the last sucktastic QB.
Then again, Fitzpatrick can't do any worse, the last QB didn't set the bar very high...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Damn get over it. Schaub had a horrible year. Everyone knows it. Why the incessant need to keep bashing? Dude is gone.
This is getting old:
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Time to let the little guy get some rest.
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Yeah , its getting old and most seem to forget that prior to last seasons collapse , Schaub was one of the NFL's most productive passers .... well , at least outside of the redzone.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
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I'm sorry, did I hurt your feelings? Do you need a whabulance for your hurt feeling? didn't read in the rules that "bashing" a former or current player was against forum policy...
I didn't even mention they dude's name, could have been talking about Keenum, he sucked just as bad. I just made a statement that Fitzgerald can't do any worse that what happened last year or the QB that was under center...
You'll have to forgive me, I forgot theto go with your whine...
Seems you go out of your way to antagonize
BullNation4Life
All Pro
Texas Nomad
Practice Squad
As long as it is an actual camp competition and the best candidate starts I'll be supportive. I have never believed Keenum was starter stock but I could be proven wrong. I wish most of all that Yates would come out on top. Never believe he was afforded the shot he deserved.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
I always felt the same way but I think Bill O'Brien will walk out of camp with the best QB as starter. Yates hasn't ever shown much improvement over the season where he finished the job to take us to the playoffs, though.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
correct me if I am wrong, doesn't Yates fit O'Brien's criteria for prototype QB?
6'4" 220lb, decent arm...
Yates shows something in the preseason and training camp running this offense, he could damn well come out of this as the starter. He has just as good a chance as any QB still on this roster...
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
He has been my wildcard the last couple months. he even stated he was upset because he is never mentioned. I just question his commitment to the game at times because of some twitter comments. Sophmoric jokes etc....especially with Ben Jones.
kingtexan
All Pro
Not sure why but I never realized he was that tall.
I still think Case played better last year, but that is OB's prototype size.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Yates only played one half of a game in which we were already down and without any energy IIRC.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
This.
As already mentioned there should have been "some" semblance of a competition for the #1 QB spot after Yates lead us to the playoffs. Guy was just completely forgotten after his one half last year.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
Do you think O'Brien feels he may already have his QB in Yates, should have enough film on him and he is an O'Brien prototype, to let him, Fitzpatrick and Case battle it out for #1?
This would mean Texans trading back and/or taking Clowney at #1...
Does Yates have enough to offer more than any of the three QB's in the draft that O'Brien bypasses a QB this year? OR draft a QB in the later rounds and let him sit for a year or two...
Haso...the plot thickens...
Throughout last season, I was saying the best thing that could happen for Keenum, was that Kubiak doesn't lose his job. I thought Kubiak took a liking to the kid & was wowed just as much as we were when we saw the plays that he made.
With another coach coming in though & with what we saw from our QBs in 2013, I can't imagine not drafting a QB in the first or second round of the draft. If that happens, then Case's time in Houston has passed.
Same for Tj. OB is going to bring in his own guy & while it might be a fair competition to see who starts for us in 2014, Case/Tj are on their way out. Best thing for either of them now, is that they earn the starting job (which I do believe is up for grabs) & make the most of their opportunity. It might be six games, it might be eight games, if they're lucky & we're beating up on the chumps we've got on our schedule, maybe they can get a whole season out of it.
But they're just a place holder for whoever we draft in 2014... that's if we get someone in the first two rounds. Like I said, I can't see us not drafting a QB in the first two rounds, but if we draft someone in the third, or later, I can see a Case Keenum, Tj Yates, or even Fitzpatrick sticking around a little longer.
With another coach coming in though & with what we saw from our QBs in 2013, I can't imagine not drafting a QB in the first or second round of the draft. If that happens, then Case's time in Houston has passed.
Same for Tj. OB is going to bring in his own guy & while it might be a fair competition to see who starts for us in 2014, Case/Tj are on their way out. Best thing for either of them now, is that they earn the starting job (which I do believe is up for grabs) & make the most of their opportunity. It might be six games, it might be eight games, if they're lucky & we're beating up on the chumps we've got on our schedule, maybe they can get a whole season out of it.
But they're just a place holder for whoever we draft in 2014... that's if we get someone in the first two rounds. Like I said, I can't see us not drafting a QB in the first two rounds, but if we draft someone in the third, or later, I can see a Case Keenum, Tj Yates, or even Fitzpatrick sticking around a little longer.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
and pretty much every fan in Houston agrees with that, but starting Keenum was more a McNair decision to spark a down fan base. McNair has this infatuation about hometown boys becoming hometown heroes and the reality is they end up being more pumpkin than hero...
I could see Yates and Fitzzy battling it out for the #1 and Rookie is #3, meaning what you said, Keenum on his way to probably Cleveland or Baltimore...
I thought McNair wanted Case to start to lock in that #1 overall pick.
Seriously.
Pitbull 56
Practice Squad
I think the starter will be Fitzpatrick or Case.
This. And Case goes 8-0 to make his NFL record 8-8
Norg
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Well
Fitz could be the Stop gap vet starter
Case only chance is if he lights it up in PS
TJ is the WC IMO hes gonna have to work hard to prove hes better then case or at least be a 3rd stringer
NEW Rookie Draft QB ...well hes gonna have it made
IDK if BOB will keep 2 QB's or 3 if he keeps 2 well then TJ and CASE are going to have to be lights out IMO
Fitz could be the Stop gap vet starter
Case only chance is if he lights it up in PS
TJ is the WC IMO hes gonna have to work hard to prove hes better then case or at least be a 3rd stringer
NEW Rookie Draft QB ...well hes gonna have it made
IDK if BOB will keep 2 QB's or 3 if he keeps 2 well then TJ and CASE are going to have to be lights out IMO
PS means nothing. Next to nothing. If OB likes what he sees in practice, Case has got a shot. The preseason will be treated like games that don't count. We'll be vanilla, if the QB can only handle vanilla (being the first season in this system, we'll most likely be vanilla).
It'll be about seeing our offense vs whatever vanilla defense our opponents play against us. It's an opportunity to get it on film so they'll something "real" to talk about on Monday. They'll identify mistakes, opportunities, and a slew of other possibilities, there will probably be a lot of, "In a real game, we'll do this...." & stuff like that.
Fans are the only ones looking for anyone to "light it up" in the preseason. If I were a coach, I'd rather see a mistake, get it on film, instead of seeing some Johnny Football highlight real. One offers a coaching opportunity, something to build off of, the other offers nothing of any value.
You'll probably win the preseason, but you won't be prepared for week 1. Then you're playing catch up for week 2, & you're further behind the rest of the league in week 3.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
Man and that is a train that is hard to get back on track. I agree, lighting it up shows nothing really, especially playing against bubble players.
That is how everybody started buzzing about Keenum, he lit it up in preseason, started strong when h got the start, then fizzled when DC had enough on tape to plan against.
Scooter
Funky
from all i've seen and heard, yates's greatest asset is between his ears ... and that hasnt seemed to have developed as well as many have hoped. he's got a much weaker arm than schaub, and while mobile, doesnt move inside or out of the pocket very well. "size is a talent" as phil simms says, but worthless if there's nothing to it.
dont get me wrong, i'd love to see yates turn it on, but i havent seen any progression at all. if anything i think he's regressed, and lost the mental acumen that made him special.
This i something I haven't heard before, I knew it wasn't much stronger, but a lot weaker?
Scooter
Funky
from what little we've seen on the field he's not close to schaub, from what i've heard through camps side by side it's even further apart. schaub gets a lot of negative publicity for his arm because he underthrows deep balls, but that isnt accurate to his true arm strength. nobody's going to mistake schaub and stafford, but he can drive the ball as much as he wants to. yates doesnt have that ability to plant and drive it when needed, at least as far as i can tell.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'd say all three of last year's QBs were in the same non-exceptional bucket on arm strength. Over discussed topic IMO and greatly exaggerated. Schaub hucked one 65 yards in the air in the last game. His under throwing deep balls was an accuracy/decision making problem rather than arm strength.
Texas Nomad
Practice Squad
I'm not sure how one could possibly have a "weaker arm" then Schaub. I would never contend Yates has a rocket but from my observation it's certainly not weaker then Schaub's.
I dont know how much he has developed or digressed because the sample sizes we get are tilted. There was a big debate split between who looked better in preseason between Yates and Keenum last year. I was on the Yates side. The unit as a whole has always looked more energized to me when he is in the game. He has always had a solid connection with Dre and it just appears to me that the offense wants to play for the kid. And most important of all he has shown the ability to stand in a pocket, under control, go through his progressions, is willing, and actually looks to extend the field vertically. Case can play the vertical game but he seems to always be under duress and on the edge of panic.
We pretty much know what your gonna get with Fitz and Case. I dont know if Yates could be a day one starter but I sure would like to see what he might have to offer after a pre-season with real competition and preparation.
Scooter
Funky
first bold - i dont feel it's even close, but i've already made that point
second - he did. and this is where i feel he's regressed. yates as a rookie had the most spectacular "devil may care" calm and quickness in both the huddle and in the pocket. i had the highest hopes because of that poise and quick decision. i dont see it anymore, not in preseason where he's taking the first option, nor his near panicked showing in relief of schaub last year. he's not handling pressure at all.
michaelm
vox nihili
I still think Kubiak had more to do with Keenum's decline that any opposing DC or game plan.
I think Kubiak's risk tolerance was well below Keenum's playing style, and he muzzled Case to the point he started playing tight. I think Kubiak might have done the same to Schaub.
Now, don't get me wrong, I am not one of the people who think Kubiak's offense was bad. Quite the opposite. I think Gary's offense gets receivers open better than virtually any offense in the league.
I just think he is too conservative by nature and chokes his QBs ability to create things on their own.
It's ironic, because Kubiak talks the talk of someone who places a high value on being able to make plays "off schedule", but his actions are those of a man who is afraid of his own shadow.
michaelm
vox nihili
Sounds like Yates was a victim of Kubiak too, in the way I described about Keenum and Schaub in my previous post.
Kubiak is the common denominator.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
(in bold) ooooh you said a dirty word....
I am curious to know how many deep balls Brady threw in this offense. I don't recall too many deep when the Texans played them. I think O'Brien's scheme is more about precision rather than arm strength.
hitting the seem, wheel and under routes, ton of screens then over the top for a big gain when the safeties creep up. At least that is what I recalled.
I think Yates arm would be fine in that kind of system, but who knows...
Scooter
Funky
i disagree. keenum progressed by leaps each year while yates flat-lined. keenum's biggest flaw is playing. he absolutely wasnt ready. i firmly believe that he is or would've been by 2014, assuming he got first team reps in the offseason, but he wasnt prepared in 2013. yates on the other hand was the stick in the mud, he didnt pass schaub and was quickly passed by a wholly unprepared keenum.
i can see blaming kubiak, but IMO yates is maxed out. same as kubiak couldnt turn a turd into gold with outaboundsky or lionhart.
kingtexan
All Pro
Scooter
Funky
as i can tell, those are the true tells of arm strength. floating a deep ball is something all quarterbacks drafted can do. some like brees (and keenum) do it better by landing that rain-maker in stride. driving a 15 yard zone beater between the linebacker and safety is where the arm matters - something few did better than schaub and one of the areas that brady makes his money. i dont think yates's arm is fine in that regard. i've not seen him drive a ball the way he needs to the way keenum can and schaub was good at.
as i've said repeatedly, the deep ball is NOT a measure of arm strength. dave in the parking lot after the game can chuck it 60 yards. that doesnt mean he can add touch to a line drive on an 18 yard out.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well, we'll get to test this hypothesis out with the results on whether Flacco/Ravens get better or regress. I'm betting both improve.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
kingtexan
All Pro
Matt!!!!! Looking good ...
michaelm
vox nihili
I get your point, and you might end up being correct, but I don't think we will be able to draw a strong conclusion one way or the other, even after a couple of seasons. Too small a sample size, and too many variables in the two scenarios (Kubiak in Houston vs in Baltimore).
As I said, I think the Kubiak offense is a good one, but I think he gets in his own way more often than not, specifically at play calling. It seems to me that Kubiak has a tendency to try and force aggressiveness at the exact wrong time.
The thing about Case, was that he never "got into" our play book. Not like Schaub & Tj did, not until he was named the starter. Outside of that, he ran the scout team, meaning he simulated the opposing teams QB (best he could).
Case was great, off schedule. But when he got pulled & Schaub came in, it was hard not to see all the throws Case was leaving on the field.
You could see it in the preseason too. Schaub & Yates came out.... three steps, five steps, bootleg... Case came out & he might hit one or two as designed, but a lot of stuff you know Kubiak didn't draw up.
This year, he'll have as much experience as anyone else with the play book, let's see how he manages.
Yeah, I think Flacco is about to put this "elite" QB crap to bed.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
until he finds out he can't "audible" at the line of scrimmage...
If I am not mistaken, Flacco was one of a few QBs in the NFL that call his own plays at the line, wonder how THAT is gonna go over with Kubiak...
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Totally disagree. I think people figured Keenum out, that his success was mostly through deep passes and when he was able to scramble. When teams started to come after him, he folded. It's not difficult to stop a quarterback when they can't handle the blitz and the offensive line isn't exactly stellar.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
This. Keenum had a horrible inability to pick up the blitz and throw to the open man. He was great for the big play but he couldn't hit the short and intermediate stuff to move the offense down the field.