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Teddy Bridgewater

bah007 said:
I think he meant he gives a dummy count to see if the defense adjusts when they think the ball is being snapped. If they do, he adjusts protection again before calling for the ball for real.
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No, No.


He said he gave a "ringo" or "lucky" call after the ball is snapped to "re-direct" his offensive line if he gets unexpected pressure.


The offense I played in, in college was pretty sophisticated...but we didn't have any post snap calls...None...

The way TB explains it, he would make that call almost as soon as the ball was snapped. After he took his first step which is his "read" step. If he sees the safeties rotating, coming down..He knows that he might be getting pressure from that side so he makes the call if he has time.

Seems like a pretty watered down explanation overall, but you can tell he knows his stuff.
 
_King_ said:
No, No.


He said he gave a "ringo" or "lucky" call after the ball is snapped to "re-direct" his offensive line if he gets unexpected pressure.


The offense I played in, in college was pretty sophisticated...but we didn't have any post snap calls...None...

The way TB explains it, he would make that call almost as soon as the ball was snapped. After he took his first step which is his "read" step. If he sees the safeties rotating, coming down..He knows that he might be getting pressure from that side so he makes the call if he has time.

Seems like a pretty watered down explanation overall, but you can tell he knows his stuff.
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After watching it again, you're right. I glossed right over him saying that. I just assumed he meant after a dummy count because I've never heard of that.
 
Teddy Bridgewater or Blake Bortles?

By Bill Barnwell for Grantland
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It will take courage and conviction for a team at the top of the draft like Jacksonville or Oakland to look past Bridgewater’s bad day to draft the guy who looked like he was the best quarterback prospect on most fall Saturdays during the past two years. And even then, that team might be wrong; it may very well turn out that the process correctly reveals Bortles to be a better option than Bridgewater. But I’m very suspicious that the process isn’t asking — or answering — the questions an NFL team should be interested in.
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Playoffs said:
Teddy Bridgewater or Blake Bortles?

By Bill Barnwell for Grantland
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I don't understand articles like these, or opinions that are similar.

"He had a bad pro day, so what, look at the film!"

Well, all the guys look good on film. That's why we're talking about them. They make it sound like Teddy looked good on film & the other guys looked like poo. But that's not the case. They all have good film & at least Bortles so far, had a good combine, & a good pro day as well.
 
thunderkyss said:
You don't think Bortles/Manziel looked good on tape?

Or are you saying I should have said DVR?
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There's a huge difference between over the air broadcasts and coaches film. If you want to see the difference just go find some of the All 22 film of NFL games and compare it to broadcasts. You can find Texans games in this format on a very small subforum on texanstalk if you look hard enough.

As far as I know, coaches film for NCAA games is not available to the average joe like it is for the NFL.
 
OB said he thought TB's pro day was good. He said he saw that he'd worked on his footwork, and tightened up his release. He also said that you shouldn't have balls hitting the ground throwing to WR's you've been working with. But he said he saw some positive things at his pro day.
 
Teddy's strength throughout the process was going to be his knowledge of the game and ability to make smart,quick decisions which I feel will lead to a good career in the NFL.

His shifty approach the combine and lackluster preparation for his pro day made me pump my brakes a bit.
 
I keep reading that TB is likely to have more success early and that manziel has the higher ceiling...

I think the opposite is actually true.
 
_King_ said:
I keep reading that TB is likely to have more success early and that manziel has the higher ceiling...

I think the opposite is actually true.
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It all depends on the coach & the team around him.

We fix our OL, & Arian comes back healthy, any QB we have next year will be set up to succeed.
 
thunderkyss said:
It all depends on the coach & the team around him.

We fix our OL, & Arian comes back healthy, any QB we have next year will be set up to succeed.
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I am talking from an equal standpoint. If both guys were in similar situations.

I think manziel can come in and have a kaepernick type offense in place and have good success. I think TB is more in the mold of a Peyton manning type qb where it's going to take him time to adjust but ultimately if he can adjust has the higher ceiling because if they type if qb he is.

With manziel you often hear "in the right offense". I don't see that caveat attached to tb or bortles. I think they are more traditional. I think like kaepernick and Russell Wilson and to some degree cam newton and rg3..you can win a superbowl with them...

Will they ever be the Andrew luck, Peyton, Drew brees type qb where they can rely on their arm and knowledge of coverage...the traditional type qb.....make receivers better? I don't know. Do they need to be? I don't know.

But I do think tb is more in that mold and it's going to take him some time to adjust to doing that in the NFL. But if he can, I think that's the type of qb with the really high ceiling.

I think manziel is like a less physically gifted Vick. Looks good on paper. Can make brilliant plays. But like this other young qb's in the "Vick mold" with the strong arms and fast legs, will they ever be that truly elite level QB...I don't know.

But I think TB is more likely to become that guy based on his approach to the position.
 
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kiwitexansfan said:
Does anyone believe the talk that TB will fall out of the 1st completely?



If so, why?
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I don't know so much as I believe as I hope it happens so we can get him. There's a good number of teams that are set at QB and wouldn't take one w a high pick. Those of us that are not are picking high. It's possible but I don't know how likely.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Does anyone believe the talk that TB will fall out of the 1st completely?

If so, why?
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I doubt that. But I've been salivating at the thought of a trade down scenario where we could take Mack early. And then package our 2:1 and other picks to move up to get a Bridgewater/Bortles/Manziel if one slips.

Think getting Cleveland's #4 and #26 (problem is they'd probably take a QB off the board at #1)... Take Mack or Robinson and 4, then package the 26 plus our 2:1 to move up around St. Louis 13 territory to snag Bridgewater.

Wow :drool:
 
_King_ said:
I keep reading that TB is likely to have more success early and that manziel has the higher ceiling...

I think the opposite is actually true.
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I'm just about there as well. Manziel could have early success for several reasons. But, as teams adjust, he gets injured, etc. it all could go sideways.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Does anyone believe the talk that TB will fall out of the 1st completely?

If so, why?
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All the TALK this time of year is just that TALK. It comes from writers or so called draft experts who have to constantly update and refresh their big boards in order to create interest/controversy to keep the hits on the company site high, which sells advertisement. If they stayed with the same list as they had at the end of the season, or even a month ago people would get bored with it since there's nothing new and hits on the site would go down, which is bad for the advertising dollars. In actuality these writers/draft experts have no more idea than you or I do or who gets drafted by whom. In fact we probably know the Texans players and needs better than the experts in N.Y. because we concentrate on our team and not on trying to follow the details of all 32 teams. Also much of the info. this time of year is created by the teams themselves in order to create smoke screens.
 
I've considered the fact that the talk might be draft misdirection put out by teams but I'm not sure to what end. Are some of the teams drafting late in the first trying to create doubt to force him down the board to them?
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I've considered the fact that the talk might be draft misdirection put out by teams but I'm not sure to what end. Are some of the teams drafting late in the first trying to create doubt to force him down the board to them?
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Of course, just like the Dolphins might have spread drug rumors about Dan Marino to get him to fall in the draft and the 49ers didn't pass the tapes of Jerry Rice to the other clubs. Teams are going to lie, cheat, and steal to try to get their guys.

They scout all the other teams and try to figure out how they're going to draft and who they're looking for. And then they run mock draft after mock draft trying to simulate as many different scenarios as they can.

As a team, you're putting out every sort of lie you can so that the other teams misinterpret what you're going to do and get all their scenarios screwed up.

And I think that happened to us in Rick Smith's first draft. They didn't think there was any way Amobi Okoye was going to fall to us and they were surprised when he did. They didn't know what to do but...he was the highest ranked guy on their board... so they took him without really getting enough background on him to really know if he was a good fit or not.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Does anyone believe the talk that TB will fall out of the 1st completely?

If so, why?
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I don't. I've been saying all along his value is mid first round, I'll even add early-mid. If he drops out of the top 10, teams will start thinking about trading up to get him. If he makes it past 15, the teams that passed on him will think about trading back into the first to get him.

I like the later round guys.... McCarron, Murray.. but there hasn't been a lot of buzz about them. I think someone is going to see a lot of Value in Bridgewater & they're not going to let him fall to us in the second.
Ole Miss Texan said:
Think getting Cleveland's #4 and #26 (problem is they'd probably take a QB off the board at #1)... Take Mack or Robinson and 4, then package the 26 plus our 2:1 to move up around St. Louis 13 territory to snag Bridgewater.

Wow :drool:
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Actually I forgot they had late 1st round picks in addition to their high 1st round picks. They won't even have to trade back into bottom of the first, they're already there.

If they pass on a QB with their early pick, I think both teams will take a QB with their second.
 
thunderkyss said:
If they pass on a QB with their early pick, I think both teams will take a QB with their second.
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If we pass on QB at 1-1 & Browns pass on QB at 1-4, they would be pressed into selecting a QB at 1-26...

and San Diego might be getting a call from the Texans.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
And I think that happened to us in Rick Smith's first draft. They didn't think there was any way Amobi Okoye was going to fall to us and they were surprised when he did. They didn't know what to do but...he was the highest ranked guy on their board... so they took him without really getting enough background on him to really know if he was a good fit or not.
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Still doesn't justify why they had Okoye rated over Willis. :cutthroat:
 
Texian said:
That might work when you don't have the #1 pick in the draft. Having the #1 pick in the draft you're not fooling anyone with any clandestine moves.
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If plan A is to trade down and get him it does.

Talk the guy down, show no interest and then snap him up.
 
drs23 said:
They were earning while learning. No doubt. I think they've learned a little by now.
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Lets hope so

2-14 should make loyal Texans fans ask questions.

Corrosions posts certainly have made me raise an eyebrow a few times.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
If plan A is to trade down and get him it does.

Talk the guy down, show no interest and then snap him up.
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The problem with that is ain't nobody talking nobody down except Teddy. The general consensus is TB has fallen out of the Top 10 and that was TB's doing, nobody else's.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Dadgum!! I've been tellin' all y'all that I'm old, my knees are bad and I'm having shoulder and hand problems (aka arthritis)!! Don't draft TB!!!
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dont worry bill, some little blue pills errrr performing enhancing drugs, and you'll be ready to perform....after an hour.:aggressive:
 
Texian said:
The problem with that is ain't nobody talking nobody down except Teddy. The general consensus is TB has fallen out of the Top 10 and that was TB's doing, nobody else's.
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You act like you know who is or not in the top 10. One thing I do know is the texans under smith have never tipped their hand. In fact,they don't even bring guys in who they draft in the 1st rd. Stop making stuff up and calling it fact.
 
leebigeztx said:
You act like you know who is or not in the top 10. One thing I do know is the texans under smith have never tipped their hand. In fact,they don't even bring guys in who they draft in the 1st rd. Stop making stuff up and calling it fact.
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I understand that you're are a Teddybot and why you would think I was making things up. The truth of the matter is it was Teddy who was a disappointment at the Combine and it was Teddy who had a poor Pro Day. I had nothing to do with that. And the general consensus since those two performances is Teddy has dropped on most media boards and mocks. Sorry, it ain't me!
 
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Texian said:
I understand that you're are a Teddybot and why you would think I was making things up. The truth of the matter is it was Teddy was a disappointment at the Combine and it was Teddy who had a poor Pro Day. I had nothing to do with that. And the general consensus since those two performances is Teddy has dropped on most media boards and mocks. Sorry, it ain't me!
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So the combine and a pro day does it for you? So why are top 10 teams still bringing him in? No ne to argue with you,but I've had 2 former gms tell me to my face the combine is best for the physical and the pro day means zero. I guess they're Teddy Bots or Clowney Bots or whatever retarded word association you want to mix in. Tell me how many many media people had the texans drafting mario?
 
Texian said:
I understand that you're are a Teddybot and why you would think I was making things up. The truth of the matter is it was Teddy was a disappointment at the Combine and it was Teddy who had a poor Pro Day. I had nothing to do with that. And the general consensus since those two performances is Teddy has dropped on most media boards and mocks. Sorry, it ain't me!
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While I agree with you on him dropping - I don`t really understand it. Every scout says it`s about gametape and the proday is just a very, very small part. At the combine he interviewed great and basically didn`t do anything else. His proday was disappointing because he missed a couple of throws. And all of a sudden some people even have him dropping out of the first round? He was a consensus top 5 pick before the combine. His gametape hasn`t changed. And he was one of the most accurate QBs in college football. True, his competition wasn`t always up to par, but neither did he have elite WRs or an elite o-line. He always played within his game, was great at disecting a defense and making the right decision, all with a bunch of pressure in his face.

Scouts are saying a proday is only a very small part - yet they suddenly act as if it is the decisive part. If it was, then they sure did a bad job at scouting him before, because if the proday was an accurate assesment of his skills, than he has played with these deficiencies before. Yet before he was called easily the best QB of the bunch with only concerns about his size and frame and his deep ball accuracy.
 
leebigeztx said:
So the combine and a pro day does it for you? So why are top 10 teams still bringing him in? No ne to argue with you,but I've had 2 former gms tell me to my face the combine is best for the physical and the pro day means zero. I guess they're Teddy Bots or Clowney Bots or whatever retarded word association you want to mix in. Tell me how many many media people had the texans drafting mario?
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You keep wanting to put me in to the equation, again I had nothing to do with Teddy's poor performances at the Combine and Pro Day. Why are top 10 teams bringing him him? In case he drops to RD 2 or they entertain the idea of trading back up in to the latter part of RD 1. The fact still remains, Teddy is dropping with most all folks following and predicting the draft. And I had nothing whatsoever to do with with it. I'm just the messenger and I feel SMITED!
 
LikeMike said:
While I agree with you on him dropping - I don`t really understand it. Every scout says it`s about gametape and the proday is just a very, very small part. At the combine he interviewed great and basically didn`t do anything else. His proday was disappointing because he missed a couple of throws. And all of a sudden some people even have him dropping out of the first round? He was a consensus top 5 pick before the combine. His gametape hasn`t changed. And he was one of the most accurate QBs in college football. True, his competition wasn`t always up to par, but neither did he have elite WRs or an elite o-line. He always played within his game, was great at disecting a defense and making the right decision, all with a bunch of pressure in his face.

Scouts are saying a proday is only a very small part - yet they suddenly act as if it is the decisive part. If it was, then they sure did a bad job at scouting him before, because if the proday was an accurate assesment of his skills, than he has played with these deficiencies before. Yet before he was called easily the best QB of the bunch with only concerns about his size and frame and his deep ball accuracy.
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It may have to do with the recent news that his playing weight was close to 185. He packed on the pounds for the Combine and then promptly lost many of them by his Pro Day. And before the Combine and Pro Day there were questions about his arm strength and his delivery and he did nothing to dispel those fears. His workout did more to reinforce them. The velocity and zip on his ball speed was not there and his accuracy and ball placement at the his pro day were disappointments. He didn't have much in the way of answers but more in the way of excuses.
 
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