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$180.00 for jersey.

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"We're talking about pro-day. I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about pro-day, not a game...

not a game....

not a game, but we're talking about pro-day. Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game like it's my last but we're talking about pro-day man."
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~Teddy Bridgewater​
 
Deion Sanders loves manziel. His reasoning made me laugh though.

NFL Network analyst Deion Sanders said he believes the Houston Texans should use the first overall pick in the 2014 draft on Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel.

Appearing on the Tom Joyner Show with Roland Martin, Sanders was asked about the hype surrounding Manziel, the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner projected as a top-10 draft pick.

"Oh, please. I love Johnny Football," Sanders said. "See, the reason people won't accept Johnny Football is because Johnny Football has ghetto tendencies. I love Johnny Football."

That prompted this exchange:

Martin: He's got ghetto tendencies? What are ghetto tendencies, Prime Time?

Sanders: Because he was successful, he made it, and he let you all know he made it, and he was cocky, he was flamboyant, and he let you know.

Martin: So he was a white Prime Time coming out of college.

Sanders: Thank you. And I love him. I love him. They had the music playing when he came in. Put his whole equipment up, who goes out there and do your pro day with all your equipment on? That's some hula stuff, I love Johnny Football.
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24512053/nfl-draft-deion-sanders-cites-ghetto-tendencies-of-manziel
 
Johnny Manziel plays like a "black" quarterback. Deep down, a great deal of the animosity that Manziel has provoked has come for this reason, because lots of white people don't like the way Manziel carries himself both on and off the field. I wrote and talked about this back in September, but most media has been afraid to touch the fault line. Until this morning, when Deion Sanders suplexed the racial fault line on the Tom Joyner Show with guest host Roland Martin. and came out and said, "Oh, please. I love Johnny Football. See, the reason people won’t accept Johnny Football is because Johnny Football has ghetto tendencies. I love Johnny Football,"

Then Prime Time continued, executing a Hulk Hogan leg drop on the racial faul line when he was asked to explain what he meant by "ghetto tendencies."

"Because he was successful, he made it, and he let you all know he made it, and he was cocky, he was flamboyant, and he let you know."

Roland Martin, a fellow Johnny Manziel fan, then stepped in and said, "So he was a white Prime Time coming out of college."

Deion continued, "Thank you. And I love him. I love him. They had the music playing when he came in. Put his whole equipment up, who go out there all do your pro day with all your equipment on? That’s some hula stuff, I love Johnny Football."

There's going to be a ton of hoopla surrounding these comments because there's nothing else going on right now and because Deion mentioned race and quarterbacks in the same breath. (Stop with your Final Four talk. No one cares about the Final Four except when the games are actually being played. And, even then, not really that much.) But the essence of Deion's comments are true -- can you imagine any other quarterback, black or white, showing up for his pro day and rapping along to unedited Drake as he performs for scouts, coaches, and general managers from just about every NFL team? Most guys getting ready for the draft are doing everything they can to avoid upsetting teams; Johnny Manziel put on a damn show.

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Manziel's a creative entertainer, a border-defying, cross-pollinating cultural icon. He's a rich white Texan who identifies more with black culture than with white culture, a polyglot melange in our American mixing bowl, a rap-spewing quarterback who had Aggies in cowboy hats and boot spurs ready to take a bullet for him. But, look out, that still makes some people uncomfortable. As much as America may be a multi-cultural society, we still want to put people in boxes, identify them as one thing or another, create delineated spaces within our culture where some people fit and others don't.

But you ain't putting Johnny Manziel in just one box.

Back in the summer Manziel told me that the two quarterbacks he most looked up to were Mike Vick and Vince Young. Look out, cross-racial sports comparison alert. You ever heard a white quarterback point to two black quarterbacks as his inspiration? I haven't. Beware, you CANNOT compare guys of different races. At least not in the modern football vernacular. White wide receivers have to be hard-working, crafty, possession-types who are great at recognizing zone defenses. Black quarterbacks have to be mobile risk-takers with a flair for the dramatic and inconsistent passers. Of course these stereotypes aren't entirely accurate, they never were. But God forbid we ever have a black possession receiver with suspect deep speed or a white quarterback blaring rap lyrics, tearing up playbooks, and celebrating touchdowns with money gestures.

That's impossible.

It doesn't fit our preconceived notions.

Deion didn't address a racial stereotype, he addressed a cross-racial stereotype, something we actually need more of, not less of. That is, the more athletes break the mold of what's expected of them, the less you can point to any characteristics and align them with any particular race. Deion Sanders said Johnny Manziel's a white guy who plays like a black guy. Meanwhile, Teddy Bridgewater, the actual black quarterback expected to go in the first round, plays the most like a "white" quarterback of anybody in the draft. He's a pocket passer who reads his progressions.

Double cross-racial stereotype destroyers in the same draft.

Both at quarterback?!

Hallelujah.
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http://msn.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/johnny-manziel-is-ghetto.php
 
Johnny Manziel plays like a "black" quarterback. Deep down, a great deal of the animosity that Manziel has provoked has come for this reason, because lots of white people don't like the way Manziel carries himself...
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So somehow not being on board with Manziel is racist because he "plays black"???


I'll just pull out an old, but appropriate idiom for Deion Sanders...
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
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ESPN said:
Former Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel continues to set himself up to cash in on his future. In line to eventually secure a "Johnny Football" trademark, Manziel's team filed for more trademarks recently, including "The House That Johnny Built."

But just like the trademark for "Johnny Football," Manziel is actually second in line, and the person who is first might raise eyebrows among Aggies fans.

Fitch Estate Sales, a company owned by the family of Nate Fitch, Manziel's friend who was with the quarterback at many of the autograph signings that resulted in a half-game suspension, was first to the phrase.

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Fowler said the trademark, an obvious play on the famous Babe Ruth/Yankee Stadium phrase, was a reference to the renovation of Texas A&M's Kyle Field, a $450 million project that will expand capacity to 102,500 and is scheduled to be completed in time for the 2015 season. A Texas A&M official did not immediately return a call seeking comment as to whether Manziel had discussed his trademark filing with the school.
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Stemp said:
http://msn.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/johnny-manziel-is-ghetto.php
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Good stuff.

Playoffs said:
So somehow not being on board with Manziel is racist because he "plays black"???


I'll just pull out an old, but appropriate idiom for Deion Sanders...


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I don't think racism was the point. It's not that people are being racist. They are simply uncomfortable with it.

I'll go so far as to say that if Johnny Manziel were black, he'd probably be the number 1 QB taken. Other than 2 inches and a few pounds, what is really the difference between RGIII and Johnny Manziel? A couple of years ago, I remember seeing many of the very same posters on this board that hate on Manziel creaming their pants for RGIII. There was even talk of taking RGIII over the once in a generation Andrew Luck!

This whole thing is mind-blowing, and it's just like the Texans to screw the pooch and take the safe pick. Yes, Manziel is risky, but the Texans have been making the safe calls for their entire history. What has it gotten them except for two playoff appearances, three #1 draft picks, and a few 8-8 seasons?

As for me, I'm sick of the monotony. I recognize Manziel could be a bust. I also recognize he could be a superstar. The game has changed, regardless of whether the old farts like it or not. It is more of an offensive based game, and smaller guys like Manziel can succeed in today's NFL with all the rule changes.
 
Say Watt said:
Good stuff.



I don't think racism was the point. It's not that people are being racist. They are simply uncomfortable with it.

I'll go so far as to say that if Johnny Manziel were black, he'd probably be the number 1 QB taken. Other than 2 inches and a few pounds, what is really the difference between RGIII and Johnny Manziel? A couple of years ago, I remember seeing many of the very same posters on this board that hate on Manziel creaming their pants for RGIII. There was even talk of taking RGIII over the once in a generation Andrew Luck!

This whole thing is mind-blowing, and it's just like the Texans to screw the pooch and take the safe pick. Yes, Manziel is risky, but the Texans have been making the safe calls for their entire history. What has it gotten them except for two playoff appearances, three #1 draft picks, and a few 8-8 seasons?

As for me, I'm sick of the monotony. I recognize Manziel could be a bust. I also recognize he could be a superstar. The game has changed, regardless of whether the old farts like it or not. It is more of an offensive based game, and smaller guys like Manziel can succeed in today's NFL with all the rule changes.
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Griffin 6' 2" 223, 4.41 40 time, 3 year starter, humble guy. 78/17 TD/INT ratio. More efficient year going into the draft.

Manziel 5' 11.75" 207, 4.68 40 time, 2 year starter, humble? 63/22 TD/INT ratio.

Lots of differences.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Griffin 6' 2" 223, 4.41 40 time, 3 year starter, humble guy.

Manziel 5' 11.75" 207, 4.68 40 time, 2 year starter, humble?
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2 inches is what I said. I'm not going to get into the silliness of .25 inches that Manziel would likely get if he started sporting dreads. ESPN and NFL.com shows RG3 as 217. Even still, Manziel will likely put on weight in the pros. Faster I will give you. Humility is rather subjective but even with that humility, what does that do for you on the field? 3 year starter I will give you as well. That said, Manziel is arguably more accurate than RG3, throws one of the best deep balls of any QB to come out in the last few years, and has as much arm strength as RG3.
 
htownfan32 said:
I'm not sure that's quite set in stone. If anything, RGIII has struck me as trying to shift the blame for last season on everyone but himself.
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RG3 also had many more questions about durability than Manziel as he'd been injured and missed several games in college
 
Griffin also was on the dean's list, graduated early, earned his degree, and was never involved in any off the field issues.
 
Stemp said:
RG3 also had many more questions about durability than Manziel as he'd been injured and missed several games in college
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That too, although I left that part out since that's precisely the biggest concern with Manziel.

Like it or not, RG3 and Manziel aren't all that far apart in potential skill set. But RG3 fits the expect mold of a black QB. Manziel does not fit the mold of a white QB.
 
Say Watt said:
2 inches is what I said. ESPN and NFL.com shows RG3 as 217. Even still, Manziel will likely put on weight in the pros. Faster I will give you. Humility is rather subjective but even with that humility, what does that do for you on the field? 3 year starter I will give you as well. That said, Manziel is arguably more accurate than RG3, throws one of the best deep balls of any QB to come out in the last few years, and has as much arm strength as RG3.
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I used both their combine numbers, which is what people use going into the draft. I would look carefully at their college tape and statistics in regards to their accuracy. I would argue that they are about equal. Both are good deep ball passers. Outside of that, I don't see a lot of other similarities though. Griffin was more efficient in his final year going into the draft. He's also more of a long strider speed guy, while Manziel relies on shiftiness.
 
Dan B. said:
Griffin also was on the dean's list, graduated early, earned his degree, and was never involved in any off the field issues.
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RG3 is a class act. There is no denying that. Get back to me when that matters on the professional football field. Also, post the links to all the off the field issues that occurred with Manziel during the season.
 
Say Watt said:
RG3 is a class act. There is no denying that. Get back to me when that matters on the professional football field. Also, post the links to all the off the field issues that occurred with Manziel during the season.
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Why limit it to just during the season? Robert Griffin doesn't have a mug shot.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I used both their combine numbers, which is what people use going into the draft. I would look carefully at their college tape and statistics in regards to their accuracy. I would argue that they are about equal. Both are good deep ball passers. Outside of that, I don't see a lot of other similarities though. Griffin was more efficient in his final year going into the draft. He's also more of a long strider speed guy, while Manziel relies on shiftiness.
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I watched a ton of RG3 in college and was a huge fan. I'd have loved to have him on the Texans. From watching both of them, I'd give a slight edge to Manziel in the accuracy category. As for their 40 speeds, I really don't care. Shiftiness is much more important in the NFL than how fast a guy can run in a straight line.
 
Dan B. said:
Why limit it to just during the season? Robert Griffin doesn't have a mug shot.
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Like I said, get back to me when that effects his play on a professional football field. I'm sure you'd have no problem drafting Jameis Winston, yet you'd conveniently ignore the fact he raped a girl, allegedly of course...

TexansSeminole said:
Anyway, pointless conversation. Shouldn't have posted the obvious differences between the two to spark a debate.
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You can think of it as a pointless conversation, but there is an argument to be made. Manziel and RG3 are both smaller guys (in comparison to the prototypical QB) with great athleticism, good arm strength, and great accuracy, especially on deep balls.

Nope, no similarities at all...
 
Say Watt said:
You can think of it as a pointless conversation, but there is an argument to be made. Manziel and RG3 are both smaller guys (in comparison to the prototypical QB) with great athleticism, good arm strength, and great accuracy, especially on deep balls.

Nope, no similarities at all...
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Since we're talking about Griffin, I remember "everybody" saying he's a pocket passer. He has the ability to break the pocket & beat you with his legs, but that wasn't "his game."

Then when I see him in Washington, it was his ability to break the pocket & pick up yards with his legs that opened everything up for him. & it's not that he would scan the field then decide to pull it down & go, but they had designed run plays for him that made the difference.
 
I'm not a Winston fan. Don't know where you got that from.

I think Manziel is closest comparison is probably Vick. I'm not comparing them off the field (Whatever Johnny gets into in the NFL I doubt it lands him in federal prison for two prime years of his career). Both are shifty and elusive. They excel in space. They have to be accounted for on the field. They are also fairly small and have a tendency to push the play rather than sliding or throwing the ball away. If Manziel ends up with a career like Vick's (again including the two years that Vick missed) he will be a very successful NFL QB, potentially a Super Bowl champion. But Vick rarely stays healthy for a full year. You need a decent backup to close games or for stretches of games where he needs to rest and recuperate.

They also had similar college careers. Vick redshirted his first year. He was stellar as a redshirt freshman, leading his team to the title game, where they barely lost to FSU. If they had won he was the sure fire MVP, since he was V Tech's only offense. His sophomore year he missed a game or two and his team didn't go quite as far, but he was the bowl MVP and a highly touted recruit the second he declared.
 
thunderkyss said:
Since we're talking about Griffin, I remember "everybody" saying he's a pocket passer. He has the ability to break the pocket & beat you with his legs, but that wasn't "his game."

Then when I see him in Washington, it was his ability to break the pocket & pick up yards with his legs that opened everything up for him. & it's not that he would scan the field then decide to pull it down & go, but they had designed run plays for him that made the difference.
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RGlll started out as a runner as a freshman then blew out his knee . He came back as a pass first guy and the rest is history .

Art Briles and Kevin Sumlin could have a good conversation about Johnny F , RGlll , and Case Keenum .
 
Dan B. said:
I'm not a Winston fan. Don't know where you got that from.

I think Manziel is closest comparison is probably Vick. I'm not comparing them off the field (Whatever Johnny gets into in the NFL I doubt it lands him in federal prison for two prime years of his career). Both are shifty and elusive. They excel in space. They have to be accounted for on the field. They are also fairly small and have a tendency to push the play rather than sliding or throwing the ball away. If Manziel ends up with a career like Vick's (again including the two years that Vick missed) he will be a very successful NFL QB, potentially a Super Bowl champion. But Vick rarely stays healthy for a full year. You need a decent backup to close games or for stretches of games where he needs to rest and recuperate.

They also had similar college careers. Vick redshirted his first year. He was stellar as a redshirt freshman, leading his team to the title game, where they barely lost to FSU. If they had won he was the sure fire MVP, since he was V Tech's only offense. His sophomore year he missed a game or two and his team didn't go quite as far, but he was the bowl MVP and a highly touted recruit the second he declared.
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Very good post man. Rep to you. That is a fair analysis. Where I disagree with the comparison is Manziel's accuracy. Although Vick had one of the best arms to ever sling a football, he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. Manziel doesn't have that problem. He needs to work on his timing routes throwing over the middle of the field, but he has shown great accuracy. If he can tame his natural inclination to run the football and hang in the pocket more, which he did a lot more of this past season and is continuing to improve, then the sky is the limit for Manziel, IMO.
 
Say Watt said:
Very good post man. Rep to you. That is a fair analysis. Where I disagree with the comparison is Manziel's accuracy. Although Vick had one of the best arms to ever sling a football, he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. Manziel doesn't have that problem. He needs to work on his timing routes throwing over the middle of the field, but he has shown great accuracy. If he can tame his natural inclination to run the football and hang in the pocket more, which he did a lot more of this past season and is continuing to improve, then the sky is the limit for Manziel, IMO.
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Thanks. They are also very similar in size (Vick was actually the smallest QB ever drafted #1 overall at 6 feet even). I do think Manziel is more accurate, and their arms aren't that far apart IMO. Vick is much faster, but I don't think either really relies on running past their opponent as much as making them miss.

I do think that if we trade down with Atlanta and Manziel is available at 6 we should take him after Mack and before Bridgewater or Broyles. I wouldn't take him (or any other QB) at 1-1 because I think he'll get pummeled his first year, but with enough picks we could fill in other holes and help protect him.
 
lmao @ "ghetto tendencies". I'm sure that's a quality that both O'Brien and McNair are looking for their face of the franchise. ;)
 
Dan B. said:
Thanks. They are also very similar in size (Vick was actually the smallest QB ever drafted #1 overall at 6 feet even). I do think Manziel is more accurate, and their arms aren't that far apart IMO. Vick is much faster, but I don't think either really relies on running past their opponent as much as making them miss.

I do think that if we trade down with Atlanta and Manziel is available at 6 we should take him after Mack and before Bridgewater or Broyles. I wouldn't take him (or any other QB) at 1-1 because I think he'll get pummeled his first year, but with enough picks we could fill in other holes and help protect him.
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Now there is a scenario that would have me doing backflips. If somehow we were able to trade down AND get Manziel, I don't think I could think of a better scenario. Even more than I want Manziel, I just don't want Clowney. Yes, he is an athletic freak, but I just don't understand the fuss. But anyway, I'll keep my takes on Clowney in the Clowney thread.
 
Say Watt said:
Very good post man. Rep to you. That is a fair analysis. Where I disagree with the comparison is Manziel's accuracy. Although Vick had one of the best arms to ever sling a football, he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. Manziel doesn't have that problem. He needs to work on his timing routes throwing over the middle of the field, but he has shown great accuracy. If he can tame his natural inclination to run the football and hang in the pocket more, which he did a lot more of this past season and is continuing to improve, then the sky is the limit for Manziel, IMO.
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Right. There are three things, I think, that really separates Manziel from Vick. Vick has a much better arm & Vick is much faster. Johnny is more accurate.

I don't necessarily care to keep Johnny in the pocket though. I'd like for him to go through 2 reads, eventually 3, then 4... but starting out, whatever he's comfortable with. If that's two then a check down so be it (I wouldn't put him on the field until he's comfortable with two then a checkdown & reading blitzes & hot routes).... then let him do what he do. Just don't pass the LOS.

My specific instructions to him will be not to run past the LOS. & I'll get on him every time he does (at first). I want him to work his magic outside the pocket & make things happen. I want him to extend plays.

I do not want him tucking & running & getting himself killed. I do not want him getting sacked 20 yards behind the LOS.

Two reads, check down..... extend the play, throw it away.
 
Dan B. said:
I do think that if we trade down with Atlanta and Manziel is available at 6 we should take him after Mack and before Bridgewater or Broyles. I wouldn't take him (or any other QB) at 1-1 because I think he'll get pummeled his first year, but with enough picks we could fill in other holes and help protect him.
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If you're saying you'll reach & take him at 6.... I can understand that. But if you think he's the 6th best prospect in this draft, you gotta take him at 1 & not play any games.

We've only got two holes on the offensive line. RT & LG. & we might have one of the two on the team already.
 
Stemp said:
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absolutely agree on a lot of the flack manziel is getting is because of closet racists trying to pin fake scandals on him and this labeling of "playing black" is just more evidence of it.

i mean we are in texas right?

home of the bigoted republican tea party, jesus freaks, and unabashed racists. A lot of this manziel hate is coming from that area. They want their typical choir boy white guy with the fake perfect citizen act.

I absolutely love cocky, arrogant guys. Those guys are winners.

Usain Bolt
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Muhammad Ali
Lebron James
Floyd Mayweather Jr.

All cocky guys. All winners.


Havent we had enough "humble" qbs that have failed us time and time again?

Its also a generational thing. The older fans want that quiet, robotic, fake humble guy while the younger generation love that flashy, stylish, arrogant player.

Its always been this way since rock and roll.

Manziel fans are prime about to explode led zeppelin fans. While Blake Bortle fans are the old geezers who still cling to the stale old and utterly lame and safe Beatles records.

and LOL at the poster who said RG3 was humble.

loooooooooooooooooooooool

RG3 is the epitome of a fake humble nice guy. a guy who portrays one side to the public and in reality is a utterly selfish, narcissistic attention whore.
 
Texian said:
That's 40% and 100% of them will be learning a new system.
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Let's see... that's two, divided by five times 100..... yep, you're right that's 40%


The point was that we don't need to trade down to get more picks to fix the OL when we already have 11 picks.
 
Johnny Manziel, longtime friend set to battle for trademark rights

The family of Nate Fitch, the longtime friend of Manziel who was involved in the alleged autograph signings that landed Manziel in hot water with the NCAA last year, owns a company that filed for trademark rights to the phrase "The House That Johnny Built." Fitch Estate Sales beat the Manziel camp to the U.S. Trademark and Patent Office by a month
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thunderkyss said:
Right. There are three things, I think, that really separates Manziel from Vick. Vick has a much better arm & Vick is much faster. Johnny is more accurate.

I don't necessarily care to keep Johnny in the pocket though. I'd like for him to go through 2 reads, eventually 3, then 4... but starting out, whatever he's comfortable with. If that's two then a check down so be it (I wouldn't put him on the field until he's comfortable with two then a checkdown & reading blitzes & hot routes).... then let him do what he do. Just don't pass the LOS.

My specific instructions to him will be not to run past the LOS. & I'll get on him every time he does (at first). I want him to work his magic outside the pocket & make things happen. I want him to extend plays.

I do not want him tucking & running & getting himself killed. I do not want him getting sacked 20 yards behind the LOS.

Two reads, check down..... extend the play, throw it away.
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That was something I LOVED about Gruden's QB Camp with Manziel. This was one of the things he focused on the most with Johnny. He pointed out just how often guys like Manning & Brees check down. Those guys have the check down to a science and can beat you not only throwing the ball down field but can also dink and dunk their way down the field as well. You only get a couple of times a game where you really get to sling it deep. We already know Manziel can do that. Now, he has to learn to check down.
 
Lord Bills said:
absolutely agree on a lot of the flack manziel is getting is because of closet racists trying to pin fake scandals on him and this labeling of "playing black" is just more evidence of it.
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What exactly is "playing black"?

Did Warren Moon "play black"?

If they're just hating on Manziel (white guy) because he's too black (yeah, that makes sense), then why do most of the anti Manziel people want Bridgewater (who is actually black)?
 
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