Manziel

[badboy]

Weird, never heard that angle before.

Why is their any Boselli Bitterness if he was the tax to pay for getting Walker and Payne?

"Fortunately for the Jaguars' cap situation, three of those roughly 12-18 players the Texans select today will likely be from Jacksonville. Jaguars offensive tackle Tony Boselli and defensive tackles Gary Walker and Seth Payne were flown to Houston yesterday to appear at the draft, all with the assurance they will be chosen by the Texans.

Boselli, the first pick in Jaguars history seven years ago, appears likely to be the first player taken by Houston. The Texans don't plan to choose wide receiver Keenan McCardell or offensive lineman Zach Wiegert, the other two players on the Jaguars' expansion list."
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/021802/jag_8648931.html


"selli, 31, who never played a down for the Houston Texans after being their top pick in last year's expansion draft, addressed the local media for the first time since word of his decision to retire was made public earlier this week. He said he believes the November 2001 surgery by team doctors with his former team, Jacksonville, was the beginning of the end.

"I have a lot of questions and concerns about how that was handled because my left shoulder was better before I went into surgery than it ever has been since," said Boselli, adding that treatment and a follow-up procedure by Texans team surgeon Dr. Walter Lowe a year ago has helped, but the shoulder hurts "24 hours a day."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/news/2003/07/18/boselli_reax_ap/

 

[TexansSeminole]

The penis measuring around here is sometimes unbearable.

 

[_King_]

In fact, the link you provided would actually be a good argument that the defenders should be reading the QB more often than the OL.

If they did that, then when it was an actual run play, they'd get gashed. And it still wouldn't help them against the pass.

(Not saying this in an insulting way for you sensitive folks but...) That makes no sense.

You're looking at the QB and then this guard comes and wipes you out?

If you want to re-write football techniques and schemes, go ahead. But you should first learn how some current ones work.

Different coaches will tell their guys different things as to how to sniff out the play fake...Maybe the offense isn't as well disciplined and the coach has found a tell...Maybe they don't run it the "exact" same way...Maybe there is a dissimilarity in the play.

The reason that the Texans stretch play action fake was so successful is because the stretch run and the bootleg looked exactly the same. I wasn't on the field and I wasn't in the meeting rooms to see if there were any slight tells, but just from casually watching them and knowing what I know, I'd say that they were very well coached in this aspect as a team.

And seeing the game from an OL perspective, and being told several times how important it was to sell it and being explained the reason for it by college coaches, former and current NFL players...I know that Schaub wasn't "the main reason" that the play action was so successful here.

Again, if you want to learn something...I'm happy to explain. But seriously I'm tired of all this

 

[_King_]

I do happen to know what the defenders are reading. As a LCB, my first key was the RG. My second key was the QB. And then I lock onto my WR. You seem to be under the impression that the defense only reads one key, as if what the QB does is unimportant as long as his line makes the play look like a run. That is simply untrue.

You're creating a narrative in your head.

Probably should go back and re-read.

I have not said anything about anyone NOT being important.

I simply said that if you think Schaub was THE MOST important aspect. You're wrong. The end. For real this time.

And honestly, the Corner making his initial read the guard sounds like a middle school or highschool technique. But I'd honestly be interested in hearing more about that...pm me

 

[infantrycak]

Again, You are wrong on both accounts.

Well you've done nothing to show or even effectively argue either. See bah007 for how to make an attempt if you would like.

The reason I gave the break down of the zbs was to outline why the QB wasn't THE key piece. Why it's more scheme based, and why no one player has to be extra special or in your words "elite" at faking the pass.

You played with crayons. You didn't break anything down. You made a generalization about ZBS, one with an implication applied in your analysis that any appearance of being above average was the product of the system. To call a spade a spade - that's friggin' moronic. Name the QB you think has the best play fake ever. Stick him in ZBS he doesn't become a product of the system. I didn't say any position had to be extra special or elite. Watch closely and read it a little more slowly - the QB is the (in case needs explanation, not only but most important) key piece in the equation. If he fails everything everyone else is doing is for naught. AND Schaub didn't have to be elite, but he was at building the whole picture which makes play action work which an expert like you should know involves more than just the fake handoff.

You should stop looking for reasons to have your football intelligence insulted and just be open to learning.

LOL. I am not one of those who said you were being insulting although you most certainly were condescending. Trust me, I'm not insulted by you. At the moment just more than a little amused because I think you have been and are going to continue to dig yourself deeper into the crap you have laid down. Carry on.

 

[_King_]

2+2 = 5

 

[bah007]

If they did that, then when it was an actual run play, they'd get gashed. And it still wouldn't help them against the pass.

Wasn't your link making the argument that keying on the OL was a reason the defenses were getting gashed by the pass? You have multiple keys. Offensive minded coaches and fans always seem to see the defense as simplistic, when actually it is quite often the opposite.

Offensively, unless you were calling for a half-field read you wouldn't want your QB to only look at one safety and ignore the other while he was going through his progressions, would you? So why do you assume that the defenders only look at one single thing? A good defensive coaching staff would teach you to back up your first read by confirming it with your second read. That is precisely why the CB goes from OG to QB, and precisely why it is important for the QB to be good at play action. Because if I read run from the OG but pass from the QB I'm locking on to my WR.

(Not saying this in an insulting way for you sensitive folks but...) That makes no sense.

You're looking at the QB and then this guard comes and wipes you out?

If you want to re-write football techniques and schemes, go ahead. But you should first learn how some current ones work.

In the reverse, should you just look at the OG while your WR runs right past you and the QB throws it over your head?

You quick read from OG to QB. You don't stare them down. As a CB, all I want to see from the OG is whether he comes forward or stands up. That tells me all I need to know from him. Then I move on.

I'm not re-writing anything. This was a common technique when I last played, and that was quite some time ago. Defense is reactionary. The offense dictates the action which means that the defender can only put himself in the right spot by reading his keys. Why would you limit yourself to only reading one person when there are 11 on the field? And if all defenses only key on the OL I would like to think that play action would work 100% of the time. Why does it not?

Different coaches will tell their guys different things as to how to sniff out the play fake...Maybe the offense isn't as well disciplined and the coach has found a tell...Maybe they don't run it the "exact" same way...Maybe there is a dissimilarity in the play.

This is true. But right here you are acknowledging that the scheme is not always the most important part in diagnosing the play.

The reason that the Texans stretch play action fake was so successful is because the stretch run and the bootleg looked exactly the same. I wasn't on the field and I wasn't in the meeting rooms to see if there were any slight tells, but just from casually watching them and knowing what I know, I'd say that they were very well coached in this aspect as a team.

They were very well coached. And Schaub was very good at his part of the design.

And seeing the game from an OL perspective, and being told several times how important it was to sell it and being explained the reason for it by college coaches, former and current NFL players...I know that Schaub wasn't "the main reason" that the play action was so successful here.

And having played and watched the game from the DB perspective, and having conversations with numerous college coaches and former coaches over a number of years, I can assure you that the QB's part in the design of the play action pass is just as important as the blocking assignments, and probably more so.

 

[_King_]

And that's why I wasn't going to go into it. Message board is just a time sink for me when I'm bored..not doing much... Not going to get too in depth with long posts, screen shots, videos and such.

No harm not foul. Believe what you want. It's all good.

 

[NitroGSXR]

 

[JB]

Nice!

 

[disaacks3]

You should probably be asking to learn something instead of being so obtuse.

http://smartfootball.com/passing/a-...-you-better-pull-a-guard#sthash.6DVv4oRd.dpbs


If you don't know what the defenders are reading then of course you'd think the QB was "The most important" aspect of the play action success.

But you guys seem to be rejecting any education on the matter, so I'll let you wallow. Conversation has been fun though.

Hmm. You might want to find a better article to support your hypothesis.

While much is rightfully made about whether a quarterback does an effective job of selling a run fake on play-action, the reality is that the offensive line plays just as big of a role in convincing a defense that a play is a run.

Let's see if we can simplify this, and the assertion you were making earlier. If line = QB in importance, and said line is composed of 5 players, and the QB is only one guy, then he's 5 times as important as anyone else.

So yes, the article supports the idea that QB is THE most important cog.

 

[Playoffs]

"I think if you liked Johnny before, you like him more now. And if you didn't like Johnny coming in, you still don't like him," one NFC assistant coach who was in attendance said, after a few days to digest. "Johnny's his own guy. ... But there was energy, he took command of the group, it was well planned-out, he got them out of the huddle; the shoulder pads and helmet were a nice touch. And he threw the ball well. He threw the (expletive) out of the deep ball."

"He did good," said one NFC area scout who's evaluated him for two years. "He did struggle to the left, and the ball fluttered when he'd try and force it in. Also, we didn't really see him drive it downfield."

"I'd like to see him hitting more moving targets -- the crossers, the seam throws," one AFC college scouting director said. "It's not like he was throwing full-speed seams. A lot of it was a placement thing, and that's what he does well. You didn't see the full-speed crossing routes, dig routes. Even the one dig they ran, it wasn't really fast. I'd say the one thing I'd want is more of that.

"But even if he threw that stuff and did it well, his weakness is seeing the defense and delivering the ball over the middle of the field. Even if he did it there, that shouldn't change your opinion, because there aren't 11 defenders out there."

"If you're bringing him in, start throwing protections at him, then spend an hour or two passing him around the building to different people," the AFC college director said. "Then bring him back and see what he retains. ... You want to go over his (college) offense, too: What protection is this? What's this, what's that? Athletically, he's very good; his arm is plenty strong; accuracy is good enough. But you have to make sure he'll be able to perform and execute the offense you want him to run."

"This process is exhaustive," Smith said. "And so, the more information you can obtain on a player about who he is -- not only as a football player, but as a man, so that you can project what you are adding to your organization -- the better. That's the part of the process that we're dealing with with all of these prospects."

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap2...-proday-circus-nfl-evaluators-provide-context

 

[Mr. White]

Surprised I haven't seen this yet in this thread. Looks like Zimmer has the same concerns that I have.

Mike Zimmer on Manziel: There are some flags that come up
Posted by Josh Alper on March 31, 2014, 3:11 PM EDT

In Sunday morning’s one-liners, there was a link to Vikings coach Mike Zimmer talking about his feeling that Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel’s pro day workout last week was a “sideshow.”

Zimmer shared some more of his thoughts about Manziel during an appearance on 104.9 The Horn in Austin, Texas on Monday. Manziel met with the Vikings on Friday for a workout and a dinner and Zimmer said that he tried to get some information to clear up some “question marks” he had about whether Manziel was going to do what it takes to be a great player or if he wanted to be “the celebrity man guy.”

“We asked him all kinds of questions. … There are some flags that come up. All of the things that happened out in Los Angeles, the commercials and all that stuff; the position of quarterback in the NFL is such an important position and the reason these guys need to be a totally football-minded guy is the pressure of the position and being the face of an NFL team and doing everything right,” Zimmer said, via the Minneapolis Star Tribune. “That’s the thing you want to know about him — will he be into work early every single day? Will be the last to leave? Will he be the guy that is working the hardest to get better?”

Zimmer cited Peyton Manning and Drew Brees when talking about the kind of focus — “eats, breaths, and sleeps football” — on the game that he wants to see from a quarterback and that the team has to figure out if Manziel will put in the same kind of time. There’s been a variety of opinions offered on that front since Manziel decided to enter the draft, but we don’t expect any teams to share their full opinion until Manziel’s name is called in May.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

The penis measuring around here is sometimes unbearable.

Ummmm...

I think your in the wrong thread.

Actually you might be on the wrong forum.

 

[thunderkyss]

Surprised I haven't seen this yet in this thread. Looks like Zimmer has the same concerns that I have.

Mike Zimmer on Manziel: There are some flags that come up
Posted by Josh Alper on March 31, 2014, 3:11 PM EDT

Not surprising really. You look at this draft & he's the only one with "real" star potential, yeah I'd be concerned. But if he's the only one with "star potential".....

 

[Mr. White]

Not surprising really. You look at this draft & he's the only one with "real" star potential, yeah I'd be concerned. But if he's the only one with "star potential".....

I'm surprised that Zimmer is taking his opinion public considering all the smokescreening that goes on before every draft....I might even be inclined to think this might be a smokescreen but Zimmer just doesn't strike me as that kinda guy.

 

[Say Watt]

I do not think Pro Days are as influential as the media circus makes them out to be.

Every single talent evaluator talks about film. What matters is what players can do in games, not how great they can work out without opposition.

What a great Pro Day - and it's alleged "pressure with lights on" - tells me is that a specific player will be good at shooting television commercials.

I would lose respect for any franchise that values Pro Day and/or combine performances over actual game film.

Different type of player, but same media and fan driven overhype as that UT kid everyone wanted in 2006.

When you look at the film , all the kid does is make plays .... against the very best competition the NCAA has to offer.


That other guy everyone wanted in 2006 .... was his own worst enemy.


You are right , film > pro day. But you have to understand that pro day is a pressure packed situation as its basically an interview for their future - Bridgewater flunked that test , Bortles made a C- and Manziel passed with flying colors.

I liked the analogy someone else made (can't remember if it was in this thread or not): look at the pro day like a job interview. The most important attribute is past success. Don't get so wrapped up in combines & pro days that you ignore the game tape. But at the same time, don't completely disregard the job interview. Does it have as much weight as past performance? Of course not! But if the guy totally lays an egg in the job interview, then perhaps he isn't the guy you want as part of your organization.

Look at the tape, and Manziel blows you away. Look at the job interview (pro day), and Manziel blows you away. Only decisions I am ok with are Manziel at 1 or a trade down. The same questions with Manziel (mostly based on him being a project player) are the same questions surrounding Clowney. Bortles nor Bridgewater should even be in the discussion. It really comes down to Manziel or Clowney and at that point, I believe you'd have to be a fool to take Clowney.

 

[Texn4life]

The penis measuring around here is sometimes unbearable.

Now you're just being ridiculous...... My penis is much bigger than everyone here.

 

[Corrosion]

The penis measuring around here is sometimes unbearable.

Yeah , this thread went from football discussion to ... I skipped 4 pages.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

Now you're just being ridiculous...... My penis is much bigger than everyone here.

Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[matts290]

Bill the GOAT seems to agree with King, at least in regards to his system

http://bostonherald.com/sports/patr...belichick_explains_the_art_of_the_play_action

Although the quarterback and the back can certainly help the play -- I’m not saying that -- but no matter what they do, if it’s not tied in with the line of scrimmage: the pad level of the offensive linemen, the aggressive nature like it would be in a running play then I think that the two just don’t mesh and a good defensive player will be able to recognize that. It’s a combination of all those things.

 

[infantrycak]

Bill the GOAT seems to agree with King, at least in regards to his system

http://bostonherald.com/sports/patr...belichick_explains_the_art_of_the_play_action

That doesn't disagree with a single person in this thread.

 

[_King_]

Bill the GOAT seems to agree with King, at least in regards to his system

http://bostonherald.com/sports/patr...belichick_explains_the_art_of_the_play_action

Some people are going to believe and think what they want to man.

At the end if the day, if someone wants to believe Schaub was the most important aspect if the play action and he was some elite guy at it, who cares.

I know what I'm talking about. I'm giving facts based on experience and being taught and talking to several people that have played or still play or still work for nfl teams.

It's just funny, but it's like a kid who believes in the tooth fairy. Schaub was the most important part of our play action. He was elite at it.

Lol, ok. Schaub himself would likely disagree with that.

 

[_King_]

And btw m, someone did tell me they learned something. Said they didn't like the way I expressed my point, but appreciated the content. So you were wrong about no one learning anything earlier Cak.

 

[Nitrofish]

When you look at the film , all the kid does is make plays .... against the very best competition the NCAA has to offer.


That other guy everyone wanted in 2006 .... was his own worst enemy.


You are right , film > pro day. But you have to understand that pro day is a pressure packed situation as its basically an interview for their future - Bridgewater flunked that test , Bortles made a C- and Manziel passed with flying colors.

Who can argue that at the college level, all he does is make plays? But that is in a spread offense, and at the college level. Let's be realistic here. Did you mean SEC? Even against the best college has to offer, is not the same as the pro level.

JaMarcus Russel also had a great Pro day, and then... Pro days mean very little. Game tape is what matters most when evaluating a player IMHO. But that also includes the type of offense said prospect is running, not just his performance in a scheme my team does not utilize.

If the NFL starts having pro days as a form of competition, I will worry about what grade a QB got in their pro day. Until then, I will put about as much importance on it as I do the combine, which is not much.

The penis measuring around here is sometimes unbearable.

Indeed!

That doesn't disagree with a single person in this thread.

See what you get for trying to say something positive about Schaub on this board? You of all people should have known better. BTW, Schaub is good at play action.

I see in my absence that y'all found someone new to pick on. Fight on keyboard warriors! Fight the good fight! lol

King, just remember, if you do not fall in lock step with the self proclaimed elite's around here, your opinion is not relevant, you are a nut case, and a million other labels they will place on you in their attempt to make you submit to their way of thinking.


Just remember, when posting your opinions on TT, The Mob Rules!

 

[keyser]

I ran across this analysis of Manziel from a link on another site - I think it's actually one of the more evenhanded views out there:

How to form your own opinion on Johnny Manziel.

 

[disaacks3]

I ran across this analysis of Manziel from a link on another site - I think it's actually one of the more evenhanded views out there:

How to form your own opinion on Johnny Manziel.

It manages to address the salient pros/cons of Manziel in a lighthearted way, and reminds those (who didn't already know) that the talking heads have an agenda that might not be fully meshed with reality.

 

[ObsiWan]

I ran across this analysis of Manziel from a link on another site - I think it's actually one of the more evenhanded views out there:

How to form your own opinion on Johnny Manziel.

Good article, some funny stuff too.

When the topic is Manziel, it is best to take the X-files approach: trust no one.

Don't trust Mike Mayock. No one in the draft industry works harder, but Mayock has a thing for big quarterbacks with huge arms. Little scramblers don't do much for him....

Don't trust Jaworski. He is still the Sorcerer Supreme of film grinders, but Jaws himself will be the first to tell you that he sometimes puts his opinions under the broiler to appease the Bristol overlords. Jaws also suffers from Post Randall Cunningham Stress Disorder, which effects his opinions of unpredictable scramblers...

Don't trust Merril Hoge. Hoge is a pro's pro when it comes to analysis, but he is an old fullback who thinks like an old fullback. His perfect quarterback hands off for 30 belly plays per game.

Don't trust Nolan Nawrocki. But then you knew that. He is more troll than man these days.

Don't trust Russ Lande and me either, or any of my friends, colleagues or hated rivals in the draft business. We are doing tons of homework, and we have been doing it for years, and we will write careful, measured scouting reports about Manziel. But we are only human, and Manziel is such an outlier of a prospect that scouting him is not as easy as scouting, say, Sammy Watkins...

Repped.

 

[thunderkyss]

Some people are going to believe and think what they want to man.

At the end if the day, if someone wants to believe Schaub was the most important aspect if the play action and he was some elite guy at it, who cares.

I think the conversation got thrown off on a tangent, about who's more important. The main point, was that Schaub did his part as well as, & some people believe better, than most other QBs in the league trying to perform that same task.

There was one poster who mentioned how effective his play action was, even in spite of a productive run game. Schaub played his part, and played it well, but like you said... that's the whole point of a ZBS (& no one disagrees with that).

I believe, that does not take away Schaub's proficiency for faking the defenders.

 

[thunderkyss]

Who can argue that at the college level, all he does is make plays? But that is in a spread offense, and at the college level. Let's be realistic here. Did you mean SEC? Even against the best college has to offer, is not the same as the pro level.

The NFL is moving closer & closer to that direction. With the rules protecting the QB & the receivers, expect to see more spread-like offenses. NE's offensive approach incorporates a lot of spread offensive ideas.

I'm an old fashion guy & running more of a pro-style offense is still a plus in my book, but running the spread, especially with the success Manziel has had in the SEC, is not the detriment it used to be.

 

[thunderkyss]

Good article, some funny stuff too.

Don't trust Jaworski. He is still the Sorcerer Supreme of film grinders, but Jaws himself will be the first to tell you that he sometimes puts his opinions under the broiler to appease the Bristol overlords. Jaws also suffers from Post Randall Cunningham Stress Disorder, which effects his opinions of unpredictable scramblers...

Repped.

Now that you mention it (or that he mentioned it), Randall Cunningham is exactly how I envision Johnny Manziel in the NFL.

 

[TexansSeminole]

Now that you mention it (or that he mentioned it), Randall Cunningham is exactly how I envision Johnny Manziel in the NFL.

I could see that comparison, but Cunningham was also 6' 4".

 

[thunderkyss]

I could see that comparison, but Cunningham was also 6' 4".

I'm not sure, but I think there were other differences as well. For this comparison... I'm just talking about his style of play. I don't know if Johnny will be as successful as Cunningham was, but when I think Johnny Football, I can see Randall Cunningham.

 

[Mr. White]

Now that you mention it (or that he mentioned it), Randall Cunningham is exactly how I envision Johnny Manziel in the NFL.

Interesting. I remember that same comparison when they were talking about another QB 8 years ago.

I agree with that one more than this one.

 

[htownfan32]

Interesting. I remember that same comparison when they were talking about another QB 8 years ago.

I agree with that one more than this one.

And why is that?

 

[infantrycak]

And why is that?

In addition to their physiques being much more similar Cunningham and VY's scrambling and running style's were more alike and Cunningham & VY teams won somewhat despite fairly pedestrian passing and high interceptions.

 

[htownfan32]

In addition to their physiques being much more similar Cunningham and VY's scrambling and running style's were more alike and Cunningham & VY teams won somewhat despite fairly pedestrian passing and high interceptions.

I always thought Randall Cunningham was rather skinny, from old video footage. Vince Young seemed a lot more bulky to me.

 

[infantrycak]

I always thought Randall Cunningham was rather skinny, from old video footage. Vince Young seemed a lot more bulky to me.

He was but 6'4" 212 lbs is still closer to 6'5" 230 lbs than Manziel is to either. The height gave them both a long legged, long striding running style.

 

[Dan B.]

I always thought Randall Cunningham was rather skinny, from old video footage. Vince Young seemed a lot more bulky to me.

Cunningham was about 15 pounds lighter than Young and a little heavier than Manziel. He was also 6'4 so he was a little skinnier than Manziel.

I was curious if there's ever been a #1 draft pick that was under 6 feet. As far as I can tell the smallest first overall pick ever was Ki Jana Carter at 5'11. Vick was 6' even. I think Mike Vick is actually a pretty apt comparison for Manziel.

 

[TexansSeminole]

I always thought Randall Cunningham was rather skinny, from old video footage. Vince Young seemed a lot more bulky to me.

I think he means in regards to their height and long legs. Cunningham and Young were long striders, whereas Manziel's running ability is more about foot speed and change of direction.

 

[WolverineFan]

Don't trust Mike Mayock. No one in the draft industry works harder, but Mayock has a thing for big quarterbacks with huge arms. Little scramblers don't do much for him....

As I recall, Mayock was one of the only draft experts pimping Russell Wilson pre-draft. Wilson definitely had the arm, but he was also a "little scrambler".

 

[Lucky]

I was curious if there's ever been a #1 draft pick that was under 6 feet. As far as I can tell the smallest first overall pick ever was Ki Jana Carter at 5'11.

Earl Campbell was listed at 5'11", but I think he was shorter.

 

[djohn2oo8]

As I recall, Mayock was one of the only draft experts pimping Russell Wilson pre-draft. Wilson definitely had the arm, but he was also a "little scrambler".

Mayock also said Blaine Gabbert would be the first QB taken over Cam Newton.

 

[bah007]

Mayock also said Blaine Gabbert would be the first QB taken over Cam Newton.

I'm not a Mayock fan but in his defense, saying a guy will be taken higher isn't the same as saying he will be better.

 

[Stemp]

Jim Harbaugh likes him some Manziel

It's a given that the more NFL coaches and general managers like about a draft prospect, the less they tend to say about that prospect publicly. But at times, the axiom works in reverse as well, and a coach who would have no conceivable need for a particular player is far more willing to speak his mind about him.


File San Francisco 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh's comments on Johnny Manziel under the latter.

"I'd welcome the challenges of taking Johnny Manziel," Harbaugh said, according to sfgate.com. "(He) sees the field like nobody I've ever seen see the field in college football. You'd love to work with that."

The 49ers, of course, have one of the NFL's better young quarterbacks in Colin Kaepernick, hence no need for Manziel. Not that the opportunity would be there for the club to draft him anyway, not with the No. 30 overall pick and Manziel bring projected as a top-10 selection. Still, praise for Manziel's ability to see the field is interesting coming from Harbaugh, a former quarterback himself. Field vision doesn't exactly top the list of assets that most critiques of Manziel assign to the former Texas A&M star. In fact, it's his ability to patiently make reads from the pocket that is under scrutiny, given that he operates outside the pocket so often and has the instinct to tuck and run all too often for the NFL game.

Now, about those coaches who already have a quarterback of the future ... yes, of course, they're willing to share their Johnny Manziel opinions.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000338679/article/jim-harbaugh-praises-johnny-manziels-field-vision

 

[leebigeztx]

I ran across this analysis of Manziel from a link on another site - I think it's actually one of the more evenhanded views out there:

How to form your own opinion on Johnny Manziel.

Anyone think Texian will say anything about the dig at Bortles?

 

[ObsiWan]

Jim Harbaugh likes him some Manziel

"I'd welcome the challenges of taking Johnny Manziel," Harbaugh said, according to sfgate.com. "(He) sees the field like nobody I've ever seen see the field in college football. You'd love to work with that."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...harbaugh-praises-johnny-manziels-field-vision

Say there Jimbo ol' buddy, we're open to trade possibilities. How many picks do you guys have this year and next, and the next....?

Just sayin'... give Rick a buzz why don'tcha

 

[kiwitexansfan]

Wanted to see what kind of draft might be possible making that trade with SF for there 1 & 2 this year and the next 2 years 1sts.

Came out with this on the simulator.

Round 1 Pick 30 (S.F.): C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama
Round 2 Pick 1: Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
Round 2 Pick 24 (S.F.): Billy Turner, OT, North Dakota State
Round 3 Pick 1: Kyle Van Noy, OLB, Brigham Young
Round 4 Pick 1: Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU
Round 4 Pick 35 (COMP): Caraun Reid, DT, Princeton
Round 5 Pick 1: Brent Urban, DE, Virginia
Round 6 Pick 1: Joe Don Duncan, TE, Dixie St
Round 6 Pick 5: Storm Johnson, RB, UCF
Round 6 Pick 35 (COMP): Dri Archer, WR, Kent State
Round 7 Pick 1: Spencer Long, OG, Nebraska
Round 7 Pick 41 (COMP): Cornelius Lucas, OT, Kansas State

 

[BullNation4Life]

Say there Jimbo ol' buddy, we're open to trade possibilities. How many picks do you guys have this year and next, and the next....?

Just sayin'... give Rick a buzz why don'tcha

Why would he want to do that, he is too busy trying to make Kaepernick into a legit NFL QB....

 

[Texian]

Anyone think Texian will say anything about the dig at Bortles?

If there is any bad news or negatives about Bortles I want to hear it. I am not locked in. You're confusing me with a Teddybot.