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Lord Bills said:
and lol and smdh at the attention thing.

attention? the texans front office is afraid of attention? How the hell are we gonna win the superbowl if the texans are afraid of attention?

sigh...... i dont even..... forget it.
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What is hard to understand about individual attention and team attention?
 
would love for us to trade back and nab him.

the thing i like most about manziel is that he has visibly improved over 2 seasons. and this off season is appears he was worked really hard (evident in the proday performance). let's see what the dude can accomplish with an offseason or two in the NFL.

and 1-1 though, I have my doubts just like the rest.
 
Lord Bills said:
Its gonna be a sad sad sad scene when the Texans pass up on BOTH Johnny Manziel and Clowney and pick Blake Bortles, the guy with the lowest ceiling and has bust written all over him.

I dont know what else manziel has to do in order prove his talent. Playing in the toughest conference in football wasnt enough. Putting up great numbers in that same conference wasnt enough. Making spectacular play after spectacular play showing off his special vision and running ability wasnt enough. Running well in the combine wasnt enough. Having big hands wasnt enough. Passing well in his workout wasnt enough.

I blame mindless espn for ruining this guy's reputation and the gullible idiots like clockwork bought it.

What has this guy really done off the field too garner such character questions?

Did he kill anybody?
Did he rape anybody?
Did he get busted for drugs?
Did he get busted for dui?
Did steal anything?

What is it? What did this guy do to have been flagged with the questionable character?

The autograph thing? Please, NCAA are scumbag money grubbing opportunist with an infantile view on student athlete morality.

The going to a longhorn frat party? you have got to be kidding me. What did he do there? did he darren sharper a couple ladies? Did he get into a fight? What is it? they kicked him out because he was a popular aggie football player?

What else? ahh the Manning Camp thing.

Seriously, the Manning Camp? WTF is that? Is that part of the combine? Is that part of the nfl interview process? The manning camp? Did they play a game football game in the manning camp that proved or disproved a football player's talent?

psst.,

please.

Manziel is the real deal. Mark my words, he will become a successful and exciting nfl player. Ive seen Merril Hodge's typical shock journalism act on espn bashing Manziel. COMPLETE AND UTTER BOLLOCKS. Manziel is no Tebow. Tebow was a bruising runner who bulldozed tacklers. Manziel is a slick runner who relies on vision, angles, and speed.

Mark my words,

Blake Bortles is Matt Schaub 2.0 while Manziel is cut from the same cloth as Russell Wilson, Kapernick, Newton, and RG3.

I dont even care anymore, i hope the texans pass up on BOTH Manziel and clowney. We had a chance to draft patrick willis, julius peppers, russell wilson but instead chose the safe prototypical picks.

HIGH RISK HIGH REWARD, LOW RISK, LOW REWARD.
FORTUNE FAVORS THE BOLD.
NO GUTS, NO GLORY.

Go ahead make the same prototypical "safe" pick so we can have the same prototypical texan result.


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Your best post in the thread so far. In total agreement.

All I can say is I will be rooting for Manziel no matter where he goes. He has proven himself on every level, has worked as hard as basically anyone in all of college football, improved significantly on his passing from the pocket between 2012 & 2013, and wants to win more than anyone else on the field. When possibly the great college football coach in history, Nick Saban, calls you the fiercest competitor he has ever faced, that my friend is a guy you want on your team.

As much as it pains me, I will root for Manziel even if he goes to the Titans or Cowboys. Unless we trade out of the pick, it will be inexcusable at this point to pass on Manziel. Clowney is not Mario. He also has serious character questions with how he basically sat this season out and as such, there is no one better for the Texans to pick than Manziel.

I will not be like the VY fans and quit rooting for the Texans if they pass on Johnny. They will always be my team. But I will root for Johnny, because of the improvement he has shown and his desire to work on every aspect of his game, regardless of what team he goes to.
 
And yep, only Aggies like this kid... Link

NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said Thursday if he was a general manager and had to take one QB in the top-10 picks of the 2014 draft, Manziel would be his selection.

“I think the kid loves competition,” Mayock said. “I think the kid lights up like a Christmas tree when all these GMs (are here). Do you want a guy that lights up or a guy that shrinks? And in the NFL … I think he’s that kind of guy.”

That’s a significant change from Feb. 18, when Mayock said Manziel was unsteady and a liability in the pocket, while Bridgewater was the best QB candidate.

Hall of Fame wide receiver Jerry Rice joined Mayock’s side Thursday, comparing Manziel to former San Francisco star teammate Steve Young, who successfully followed the legendary Joe Montana and helped the 49ers win the 1994 Super Bowl.

“If (Manziel) can just relax, stay in the pocket, deliver the ball down the field with accuracy and get the ball in the hands of his playmakers, I think it’s a no-brainer for the Houston Texans to take this guy,” Rice said.
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That is a HUGE compliment coming from Mayock. Do you want the guy that gets the most pumped up when the lights are the brightest on your team or playing against your team? This is the quality guys like Brady, Montana, Steve Young, Johnny U, & Joe Namath have. When the spotlight is on, they turn it on. You either have that quality or you don't. Johnny Manziel has that.
 
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Lord Bills said:
Its gonna be a sad sad sad scene when the Texans pass up on BOTH Johnny Manziel and Clowney and pick Blake Bortles, the guy with the lowest ceiling and has bust written all over him.

I dont know what else manziel has to do in order prove his talent. Playing in the toughest conference in football wasnt enough. Putting up great numbers in that same conference wasnt enough. Making spectacular play after spectacular play showing off his special vision and running ability wasnt enough. Running well in the combine wasnt enough. Having big hands wasnt enough. Passing well in his workout wasnt enough.

I blame mindless espn for ruining this guy's reputation and the gullible idiots like clockwork bought it.

What has this guy really done off the field too garner such character questions?

Did he kill anybody?
Did he rape anybody?
Did he get busted for drugs?
Did he get busted for dui?
Did steal anything?

What is it? What did this guy do to have been flagged with the questionable character?

The autograph thing? Please, NCAA are scumbag money grubbing opportunist with an infantile view on student athlete morality.

The going to a longhorn frat party? you have got to be kidding me. What did he do there? did he darren sharper a couple ladies? Did he get into a fight? What is it? they kicked him out because he was a popular aggie football player?

What else? ahh the Manning Camp thing.

Seriously, the Manning Camp? WTF is that? Is that part of the combine? Is that part of the nfl interview process? The manning camp? Did they play a game football game in the manning camp that proved or disproved a football player's talent?

psst.,

please.

Manziel is the real deal. Mark my words, he will become a successful and exciting nfl player. Ive seen Merril Hodge's typical shock journalism act on espn bashing Manziel. COMPLETE AND UTTER BOLLOCKS. Manziel is no Tebow. Tebow was a bruising runner who bulldozed tacklers. Manziel is a slick runner who relies on vision, angles, and speed.

Mark my words,

Blake Bortles is Matt Schaub 2.0 while Manziel is cut from the same cloth as Russell Wilson, Kapernick, Newton, and RG3.

I dont even care anymore, i hope the texans pass up on BOTH Manziel and clowney. We had a chance to draft patrick willis, julius peppers, russell wilson but instead chose the safe prototypical picks.

HIGH RISK HIGH REWARD, LOW RISK, LOW REWARD.
FORTUNE FAVORS THE BOLD.
NO GUTS, NO GLORY.

Go ahead make the same prototypical "safe" pick so we can have the same prototypical texan result.


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Well done sir!

Manziel is guilty of being a kid that comes from money and knows how to party. I like his moxie, he seems to have the work ethic to prove his doubters wrong. All year, media waited for him to fall on his face from the past summer antics, and he did nothing of the such...

is he too small, to skinny, etc. I never measured a football player by his height, but by his heart and the kid seems to have plenty of it...

To me, reminds me of this kid coming out of Southern Miss that liked to party, had decent to strong arm and could sling it around a bit. Some team up north, with a creative coach and GM that both had some testicular fortitude, traded for him and turned him into a pretty good NFL QB....

can't, for the life of me, think of what that guy's name was, but Manziel reminds me allot of that guy...
 
BullNation4Life said:
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Well done sir!

Manziel is guilty of being a kid that comes from money and knows how to party. I like his moxie, he seems to have the work ethic to prove his doubters wrong. All year, media waited for him to fall on his face from the past summer antics, and he did nothing of the such...

is he too small, to skinny, etc. I never measured a football player by his height, but by his heart and the kid seems to have plenty of it...

To me, reminds me of this kid coming out of Southern Miss that liked to party, had decent to strong arm and could sling it around a bit. Some team up north, with a coach that had some testicular fortitude, traded for him and turned him into a pretty good NFL QB....

can't, for the life of me, think of what that guy's name was, but Manziel reminds me allot of that guy...
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So we're going to have to witness a bunch of Manziel sexts with penis pics?
 
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James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
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That means they don't plan on drafting him. They want to watch film and talk to see what he sees. See how he operates. Need to know what he's looking at...What he'd do in certain situations.

So if he ends up in the division or we play him some time down the road we know how he operates.

;)
 
Manziel's leadership, drive and play 100% 100 percent of time has excited me for 2 years. His 1-2-3 run said "no way" but he seems to have improved on that and other issues this last season. I truly expect him to have "off field" situations but that did not happen. I think if he had a solid line that protected him and a good RB, he would remain in pocket more. Other than height, he surpasses all QBs in the things I want.
 
badboy said:
Manziel's leadership, drive and play 100% 100 percent of time has excited me for 2 years..
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That's my biggest worry with Manziel... & Bortles.

They've only been doing it for two years. What's Johnny going to be like when a top 5 draft pick team takes him & he's not winning? When the going get's tough, where does Johnny go? What's he do?

I like players who have been playing Div I football for three or more years to be able to grade as far as consistency goes. We see players all the time drop in the draft projections from one year to the next. Tajh Boyd was supposed to be a late first round pick, two of the better QBs didn't even enter the draft, but Boyd is now considered a 6th round flyer???

Of course, I understand when a player has the kind of year Manziel had (don't really understand Bortles though) now's the time... but those guys don't usually do too well. Not at QB. Not after only two years.

If they do somehow draft Johnny Manziel (& I don't care whether it was the first overall pick or the first second round pick) I hope they have a plan to develop him, with milestones clearly identified for him to achieve before they put him on the field.

Seems like many here aren't looking to win for two or three years anyway, no reason to force the issue.
 
Say Watt said:
And yep, only Aggies like this kid... Link



That is a HUGE compliment coming from Mayock. Do you want the guy that gets the most pumped up when the lights are the brightest on your team or playing against your team? This is the quality guys like Brady, Montana, Steve Young, Johnny U, & Joe Namath have. When the spotlight is on, they turn it on. You either have that quality or you don't. Johnny Manziel has that.
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Well , we've had that safe pick the last few seasons in Schaub .... every time he was faced with those bright lights , he crumbled under the pressure.


Manziel is more polarizing than Obama .... you either love him or hate him.
 
Corrosion said:
Well , we've had that safe pick the last few seasons in Schaub .... every time he was faced with those bright lights , he crumbled under the pressure.


Manziel is more polarizing than Obama .... you either love him or hate him.
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If notoriety is the price of success, I'll make that trade any day. I'd rather win with a hated, unorthodox quarterback than lose with a safe guy.
 
Double Barrel said:
All I know is that the next defensive end that rushes with a broom, Johnny Manziel has that **** covered. No problemo!

What a circus. It's kind of bizarre that all the talking heads play down pro days as just part of the process but then go full mancrush and turn NFLN into a infomercial for each QB that has a good pro day.
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Those other QB's had the same opportunity to impress on their pro days. They didn't deliver. Bridgewater had a bad day , Bortles was meh .... that pro day is critical to their future , neither showed well with the lights on.




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James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN

according to http://bit.ly/1h3EmQ9 , GM Rick Smith said #Texans will meet with Johnny Manziel in Houston. No workout. They'll watch film and talk.
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No need to work him out , they saw him make all the throws yesterday , what they need to see now is the thinking part of the game.
 
Corrosion said:
Well , we've had that safe pick the last few seasons in Schaub .... every time he was faced with those bright lights , he crumbled under the pressure.


Manziel is more polarizing than Obama .... you either love him or hate him.
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I would have no problem with JF just not at #1 . If I was the owner I might pull a Bud Adams .
 
Corrosion said:
...No need to work him out , they saw him make all the throws yesterday , what they need to see now is the thinking part of the game.
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Just to clarify for those who may not know, they cannot work him out in Houston. Per league rules, private workouts can only be held on the A&M campus or on his high school campus. Manziel has said he will hold a private workout for any team that wants one.
 
COLLEGE STATION – Johnny Manziel will indeed make the short trek down highways 6 and 290 to visit the Houston Texans at Reliant Stadium, Texans general manager Rick Smith told HoustonTexans.com.

“He will come to Houston … ” Smith told the website. “We don’t need to work him out but we’ll meet with him and watch some film and get on board in talking football with him, just spend a little bit more time with him. Again, trying to get to know him, trying to process everything is an exhaustive process. You want to get to know as much about these young men as you can so you can be accurate in your assessment.

“That’s what we’ll continue to do now and throughout the next few weeks.”

The NFL draft begins on May 8, and Manziel – the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner from Texas A&M and Kerrville Tivy – is expected to be among the top 10 picks. Perhaps even first overall to the Texans.

Houston coach Bill O’Brien cautioned reporters on Thursday following Manziel’s pro day at A&M that the Texans were evaluating more than the three quarterbacks most mentioned: Manziel, Louisville’s Teddy Bridgewater and Central Florida’s Blake Bortles – if in fact they take a quarterback with the top selection.

No date was announced for Manziel’s visit to Houston
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http://blog.chron.com/sportsupdate/2014/03/manziel-to-visit-houston-for-business-not-pleasure/
 
Nawzer said:
It would certainly be interesting if Manziel was drafted by the Texans. It would make the team interesting for sure and I think he's the kind of guy players will rally around. This team desperately needs an infusion of excitement and Manziel would provide that. It would be nice if the Texans gambled instead of taking the conservative route. With that said, today's workout was obviously designed to make him look great, but to his credit he went out and did it.
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The characteristics for which 19-22 year old immature college players may rally around their quarterback would be markedly different traits than what would rally mature NFL players around theirs. Collegiate sports thrive on circus-like atmospheres........the NFL can tolerate only minute tastes of the same before the source is exorcised.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
People have a short memory of what Case's problems were.
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It should read, what Cases "perceived" problems were.

Only the coaching staff, who have access to game tapes and a knowledge of actually player assignments, and execution of those assignments, and the full extent of injuries, can fully grade Case's performance.

I believe his "perceived" problem was an inability to read his progressions, recognize the blitz, check into the correct play to counter the blitz and then get rid of the ball to the correct read.

You might also interpret his performance as one in which, under difficult circumstances for a first year player starting at mid-season, he lacked sufficient experience to meet the challenge.

Most everyone recognizes that Case had a problem with the blitz but what we don't know is how his overall performance graded out in the assessment of the coaching staff.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
People have a short memory of what Case's problems were.
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Edit - I'll just insert #19's post ....


Number19 said:
It should read, what Cases "perceived" problems were.

Only the coaching staff, who have access to game tapes and a knowledge of actually player assignments, and execution of those assignments, and the full extent of injuries, can fully grade Case's performance.

I believe his "perceived" problem was an inability to read his progressions, recognize the blitz, check into the correct play to counter the blitz and then get rid of the ball to the correct read.

You might also interpret his performance as one in which, under difficult circumstances for a first year player starting at mid-season, he lacked sufficient experience to meet the challenge.

Most everyone recognizes that Case had a problem with the blitz but what we don't know is how his overall performance graded out in the assessment of the coaching staff.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
The characteristics for which 19-22 year old immature college players may rally around their quarterback would be markedly different traits than what would rally mature NFL players around theirs. Collegiate sports thrive on circus-like atmospheres........the NFL can tolerate only minute tastes of the same before the source is exorcised.
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I'm in this camp. JFF would have to tone it down and outwork everyone else.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I'm in this camp. JFF would have to tone it down and outwork everyone else.
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Hasn't he done just that since the beginning of the season ?! We haven't heard a peep out of him since Autographgate ....

He has outworked all the other prospects since seasons end ?!

He's spent the weeks / months since the end of the season honing his craft , learning things he wasn't asked to do at A&M such as the protection schemes and other details (which were the responsibility of the center).


I'm finding it difficult to find reasons not to draft the guy .... while others are searching (reaching) for reasons against him. The only real knock is his size , if he were 6'2" or 6'3" .... he'd be the consensus #1.
I'm not saying he isn't without his warts / flaws , but that those can be corrected and that the positives he exhibits far exceed those warts.
 
Texn4life said:
Is this how soft our society has gotten where guys can't poke fun at their rivals anymore?
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Not to mention that Texas fans were talking crap all year about Manziel doing the "Cashing out" sign but now it's fair game and a "Drake" thing because Strong did it.
 
steelbtexan said:
Never, which should lead to the Texans org changing their draft philosophy. Part of this would include taking a chance on a guy like Manziel.

Hopefully
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you anti-Manziel early in the thread? Good post though. The Texans can either keep doing things the "Texan way" and keeping floundering in mediocrity, or they can take a chance, get the boom or bust pick, and shoot for the Super Bowl. Personally, I'm tired of the "Texan way" and am ready to start enjoying the winning way.
 
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