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Ryan Fitzpatrick visiting Texans (signs)

Texan_Bill said:
Yessir. It was in fact his first game as a pro... Certainly it was his best EVER!!

That said, it stung a lot, but didn't he beat the Texans as a Buffalo Bill also?

I dunno man, I'm shootin' from the hip.
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Won with Rams 2005 - 117 qb rating.
Lost with Bengals 2008 - 48 rating
Lost with Buffalo 2009 - 41 rating
Lost with Buffalo 2012 - 83 rating
Won with Tacks 2013 - 65 rating.

Overall v. Texans: 2-3 with a 73 rating.

texan_joe said:
I think as an organization the Texas pretty much know next season is a transition year and they'll take a QB next season, be it Winston, Mariota, Hundley or whoever.
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So the Texans are writing off two seasons right now? I wouldn't bet on it.
 
I'm fine with this signing, I would have been OK if O'Brien wanted to retain Schaub as his staring QB for 2014 because it's the new HC for the Texans and he deserves the benefit of the doubt during his rookie year, a honeymoon with the fans (atleast this one) if you will for awhile. Gotta sit back and see where his decisions take us, McNair is doing just that and he's got a lot more riding on O'Brien than any of us do.
 
The 2005 Texans were 2-14 (we've come a long way). The defense was a bottom feeder in most categories. It was eight and a half years ago, a long NFL career, statistically speaking. I'm so impressed. :roast: :D

The good news is I don't know exactly what the Texans have in mind so I wait.
 
beerlover said:
O'Brian plans to start him. Draft & develop somebody but not from 1st rd. If I remember correctly he can throw a decent deep ball. I don't know, its been a strange, strange year :smiliepalm:
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My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million. I don't even like Keenum much, but I don't think Fitz gives us a considerably better chance of winning games over him. Certainly not 4 million dollars worth.
 
Dutchrudder said:
My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million. I don't even like Keenum much, but I don't think Fitz gives us a considerably better chance of winning games over him. Certainly not 4 million dollars worth.
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That's where I am. We could have signed Brandon Spikes and Brandon Browner for that money and rolled with Keenum.
 
Dutchrudder said:
My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million. I don't even like Keenum much, but I don't think Fitz gives us a considerably better chance of winning games over him. Certainly not 4 million dollars worth.
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I bet Rick Smith insulted Cassel with a one year 1.5M offer, OB chewed his asz, so when Fitzpatrick came around he blurted out two years 7.5M (which is what he should have offered Cassel)...... then OB chewed his asz out again.
 
thunderkyss said:
I bet Rick Smith insulted Cassel with a one year 1.5M offer, OB chewed his asz, so when Fitzpatrick came around he blurted out two years 7.5M (which is what he should have offered Cassel)...... then OB chewed his asz out again.
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I'll bet OB beat Rick Smith with a My Little Pony while chewing his asz out the second time.

But my other crystal ball says pumpkins.
 
Dutchrudder said:
My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million.
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I'm not sure who these older vets that are playing for minimum deals are. Names? As to why not just Case, I think Fitz brings in a different dynamic into the meeting room and the practice field. He's seen a lot of things the rookie and Case haven't. That's going to help. And Fitz comes in knowing that he's not going to be the man long term. The rookie will be comfortable coming to him for advice.

And the guaranteed money is $4 million. Not $29 million. $4 million in a $133 million cap is not a huge deal. Especially for a team that has decided not to make a big splash in free agency this year.
 
infantrycak said:
That's where I am. We could have signed Brandon Spikes and Brandon Browner for that money and rolled with Keenum.
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I am pretty meh on the whole thing...Fitzpatrick is signed at the going rate for 30 year dudes who you really don't want starting more than a couple of games. but then again I think keenum's upside is Ryan Fitzpatrick and his reality less than that.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I am pretty meh on the whole thing...Fitzpatrick is signed at the going rate for 30 year dudes who you really don't want starting more than a couple of games. but then again I think keenum's upside is Ryan Fitzpatrick and his reality less than that.
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Agreed with you and Lucky that it isn't a big deal. Not my preference but it is what it is.
 
infantrycak said:
Agreed with you and Lucky that it isn't a big deal. Not my preference but it is what it is.
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I may be biased, but Ryan Fitzpatrick was never given the opportunity to really shine. He's always played for mediocre teams. Fitzpatrick may not be a gunslinger, but he's someone who can start for an NFL team and still win. I wasn't convinced of that when I saw Case. With Case, I saw a QB who couldn't read the blitz and as a result took unnecessary sacks.

Fitzpatrick can get you a win if you don't need him to throw 40+ passes a game. He's a smart player, can make some plays with his legs and avoid unnecessary sacks. I don't think it's a bad signing. At this point, I'd say he's easily the best QB on our roster, which is not saying much, but I believe he's as good fit for whatever system OB wants to put into place. Fitzpatrick is obviously not a long-term solution, but he's a decent starting QB so we can use the draft to fill other needs on the team.
 
Lucky said:
I'm not sure who these older vets that are playing for minimum deals are. Names? As to why not just Case, I think Fitz brings in a different dynamic into the meeting room and the practice field. He's seen a lot of things the rookie and Case haven't. That's going to help. And Fitz comes in knowing that he's not going to be the man long term. The rookie will be comfortable coming to him for advice.

And the guaranteed money is $4 million. Not $29 million. $4 million in a $133 million cap is not a huge deal. Especially for a team that has decided not to make a big splash in free agency this year.
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Here are the cheapest QBs from last year:

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David Garrard	Jets	$1,000,000
Rex Grossman	Redskins	$960,000
Jon Kitna	Cowboys	$940,000
Dan Orlovsky	Buccaneers	$905,000
Seneca Wallace	Packers	$840,000
Luke McCown	Saints	$840,000
Jimmy Clausen	Panthers	$807,500
Matt Flynn	Packers	$715,000
Brady Quinn	Rams	$715,000
Colt McCoy	49ers	$702,500
Rusty Smith	Titans	$630,000
Joe Webb	Vikings	$508,129

Most of those would be fine for our purposes. They have all started NFL games, and they all cost 25% or less than what we are paying Fitz. If you need a QB with experience to coach up the rookie, then hire a QB coach that has played in the NFL. It's really not that hard. Rick is just pissing away money here, and in salary cap football, every dollar counts.
 
CretorFrigg said:
At this point, I'd say he's easily the best QB on our roster, which is not saying much, but I believe he's as good fit for whatever system OB wants to put into place.
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He is an OK placeholder. If the prices were equal and fan opinion is disregarded I think it is debatable he is better than Schaub as is - both high end backups who can start a few games if needed. If Schaub regained even first three quarters of 2012 performance it isn't close.
 
Dutchrudder said:
That is a terrible contract. Why the hell would we give 4m to Fitzpatrick? What does he do that nobody else at vet minimum can do?
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'Cause our Irish coach wanted an Irish QB...
:kitten:

in related news Andre Johnson and Arian Foster have filed papers to change their names to O'Johnson and FitzFoster
:D
 
Dutchrudder said:
Most of those would be fine for our purposes. They have all started NFL games, and they all cost 25% or less than what we are paying Fitz.
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Other than Grossman and Flynn, none of those guys will be in the league next year. If "our purposes" are to remain the worst team in the league, OK. Otherwise, I think Fitz was the right way to go. I would have preferred spending a little more on Cassell, but it's not that big of a deal.
 
ObsiWan said:
'Cause our Irish coach wanted an Irish QB...
:kitten:
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That's racist!!!

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Dutchrudder said:
Here are the cheapest QBs from last year:

Code: 
David Garrard	Jets	$1,000,000
Rex Grossman	Redskins	$960,000
Jon Kitna	Cowboys	$940,000
Dan Orlovsky	Buccaneers	$905,000
Seneca Wallace	Packers	$840,000
Luke McCown	Saints	$840,000
Jimmy Clausen	Panthers	$807,500
Matt Flynn	Packers	$715,000
Brady Quinn	Rams	$715,000
Colt McCoy	49ers	$702,500
Rusty Smith	Titans	$630,000
Joe Webb	Vikings	$508,129

Most of those would be fine for our purposes. They have all started NFL games, and they all cost 25% or less than what we are paying Fitz. If you need a QB with experience to coach up the rookie, then hire a QB coach that has played in the NFL. It's really not that hard. Rick is just pissing away money here, and in salary cap football, every dollar counts.
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For all those complaining about Fitzpatrick, has it occurred to any of you that maybe OB sees something in him that he feels he can coach up? You don't give out $7 million contracts with $4 million guaranteed to someone that's going to just sit on the bench.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Here are the cheapest QBs from last year:

Code: 
David Garrard	Jets	$1,000,000
Rex Grossman	Redskins	$960,000
Jon Kitna	Cowboys	$940,000
Dan Orlovsky	Buccaneers	$905,000
Seneca Wallace	Packers	$840,000
Luke McCown	Saints	$840,000
Jimmy Clausen	Panthers	$807,500
Matt Flynn	Packers	$715,000
Brady Quinn	Rams	$715,000
Colt McCoy	49ers	$702,500
Rusty Smith	Titans	$630,000
Joe Webb	Vikings	$508,129

Most of those would be fine for our purposes. They have all started NFL games, and they all cost 25% or less than what we are paying Fitz. If you need a QB with experience to coach up the rookie, then hire a QB coach that has played in the NFL. It's really not that hard. Rick is just pissing away money here, and in salary cap football, every dollar counts.
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Maybe my math is trash, but if it's a two year deal with 4 mil. guaranteed that would mean he's getting 2 mil. a yr. how does those QB's salaries work to 25% less than what Fitz will get? If he manages to get the 3.75 with all the bonuses wouldn't that mean he exceeded expectations?

On the list you posted we've already had Grossman and Orlovsky on the Texans so how would they be fine for our purposes? BoB saw something he liked in Fitz otherwise he wouldn't have interviewed him.

It's salary cap football, only the money that counts against the cap counts. If he counts 3.35 mil. against the cap in 2014 I imagine his 2015 cap impact would be much lower.

I can live with this signing.
 
Where is the assumption that we have no leverage with Matt come from. Don't we benefit from waiting until June 1st to cut Matt? If another team wants him before the draft they will have to trade for him. Cutting him before then would not make any money sense.
 
datchapin said:
Where is the assumption that we have no leverage with Matt come from. Don't we benefit from waiting until June 1st to cut Matt? If another team wants him before the draft they will have to trade for him. Cutting him before then would not make any money sense.
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It depends on if the Texans want to reduce the cap hit this year and spread it out over next year as well. It actually makes more sense to me for them to take their lumps now and have no hit in 2015 when they will be ponying up all that money for JJ
 
I got this funny feeling that OB is planning on playing Fitzpatrick this season. I don't want to think that but I can't convince myself otherwise. Unless that QB (probably Bortles) comes in and grabs the reigns and runs away with the job I think our starter just got signed.

Why is there no smiley for "I think I just threw up in the back of my mouth a little?"
 
Lucky said:
Other than Grossman and Flynn, none of those guys will be in the league next year. If "our purposes" are to remain the worst team in the league, OK. Otherwise, I think Fitz was the right way to go. I would have preferred spending a little more on Cassell, but it's not that big of a deal.
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If we didn't sign Fitz to a two year deal, he'd be right with those guys next season. & if Dutchrudder would have raised the bar a bit in his chart, Fitzpatrick would have been on the list at $1.5M...... if the first year is for just 50% of the total value (which I'm sure it's not), we just gave him a 130% raise for what?

To make sure we're not stuck with..... Vick?
 
thunderkyss said:
If we didn't sign Fitz to a two year deal, he'd be right with those guys next season. & if Dutchrudder would have raised the bar a bit in his chart, Fitzpatrick would have been on the list at $1.5M...... if the first year is for just 50% of the total value (which I'm sure it's not), we just gave him a 130% raise for what?

To make sure we're not stuck with..... Vick?
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See, I was all bummed out but that's just because I didn't see the bright side. Thanks for opening my eyes TK! When you put it that way it's actually.... no, wait it's just as bad. Maybe worse. Crap.
 
datchapin said:
Maybe my math is trash, but if it's a two year deal with 4 mil. guaranteed that would mean he's getting 2 mil. a yr. how does those QB's salaries work to 25% less than what Fitz will get? If he manages to get the 3.75 with all the bonuses wouldn't that mean he exceeded expectations?
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He might have gotten a $2M signing bonus with a $2M salary for 2014, giving him a $3M cap hit for 2014. There will be $1M dead money on next season & he'll probably stand to make $3M in salary, roster bonus, & incentives for a $4M cap hit, if he's on the team.

Notice the word "might" kind of like the words "I bet" means I'm looking in my pumpkin crystal ball, so don't get your panties in a wad... it's just speculation, not like I slapped yer mama or nothing.
 
Dutchrudder said:
My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million. I don't even like Keenum much, but I don't think Fitz gives us a considerably better chance of winning games over him. Certainly not 4 million dollars worth.
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infantrycak said:
That's where I am. We could have signed Brandon Spikes and Brandon Browner for that money and rolled with Keenum.
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I am not taking for granted, until OB has a chance to personally work with all the QBs in the preseason, that Fitzpatrick is going to end up being our starting QB at any time. We'll see.
 
thunderkyss said:
I bet Rick Smith insulted Cassel with a one year 1.5M offer
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If that's all it took for Cassel to be insulted then he didn't want to come here anyway.
That's why they call it negotiations. I make an offer that's as LITTLE as I think I can get away with; you counter with as MUCH as you can get me to write a check for. Then we go from there.
If Cassel wanted to be under O'Brien again and if O'Brien wanted Cassel here seriously enough then the parties would have negotiated to some middle ground.
Didn't happen.
 
Hervoyel said:
I got this funny feeling that OB is planning on playing Fitzpatrick this season. I don't want to think that but I can't convince myself otherwise. Unless that QB (probably Bortles) comes in and grabs the reigns and runs away with the job I think our starter just got signed.
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You may be closer to the truth than any of us would like to admit.
 
thunderkyss said:
If we didn't sign Fitz to a two year deal, he'd be right with those guys next season. & if Dutchrudder would have raised the bar a bit in his chart, Fitzpatrick would have been on the list at $1.5M...... if the first year is for just 50% of the total value (which I'm sure it's not), we just gave him a 130% raise for what?

To make sure we're not stuck with..... Vick?
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Or if we hadn't singed Fitz, seeking employment he would have applied for and been hired as the first former NFL football player who to be the president of Harvard university. We will never know if either one would have become a reality because he became employed by the Texans.
 
Of course he signed to be the starter at the beginning of the season - that`s why he got that kinda money. We probably will draft a QB, but our plan is probably to let him sit and learn at the beginning.

I am alright with this signing - the money is on the high side, but it looks like we weren`t gonna spend big in FA anyways. I do believe we "want" to have another sucky year with another high draft pick, and then spending big in FA the year after that. It is not what I would`ve done, but I can`t really argue with it either.
 
beerlover said:
O'Brian plans to start him. Draft & develop somebody but not from 1st rd. If I remember correctly he can throw a decent deep ball. I don't know, its been a strange, strange year :smiliepalm:
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Here are some of what fans who have seen him play are saying:

Michael Joseph Stachitus · Top Commenter · Salt Lake City, Utah

As a Bills fan, I can tell you that Fitzpatrick is a pretty good game manager. Here are the problems with him (and there are a lot): He can't throw the deep ball to save his life, he is not terribly accurate either, and he is about as far as a clutch QB you can get. If the game is on the line, you can almost guarantee Fitzpatrick will screw it up. If it isn't a critical situation, though, he usually makes decent decisions and gets the ball out quickly and efficiently. He is a smart guy with no arm talent. He also does poorly under pressure (as in blitz situations), despite his quick release.
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Yea, great signing. He is far and away better than what we already have. /sarcasm

DocBar said:
Call me crazy, but I can get behind Fitz more than I can Schaub.
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Ok, you're crazy dude.

ObsiWan said:
'Cause our Irish coach wanted an Irish QB...
:kitten:

in related news Andre Johnson and Arian Foster have filed papers to change their names to O'Johnson and FitzFoster
:D
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lol
 
LikeMike said:
Of course he signed to be the starter at the beginning of the season - that`s why he got that kinda money. We probably will draft a QB, but our plan is probably to let him sit and learn at the beginning.

I am alright with this signing - the money is on the high side, but it looks like we weren`t gonna spend big in FA anyways. I do believe we "want" to have another sucky year with another high draft pick, and then spending big in FA the year after that. It is not what I would`ve done, but I can`t really argue with it either.
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I like the signing. I don't think it is a bad idea to let Fitz start. History has shown that giving the rookie his time is more beneficial in the long run. We've seen Chandler/McNair, Favre/Rodgers, Flutie/Brees.
Besides, Fitzpatrick's resume has shown that he eventually starts anyhow and is not content with sitting the bench. This means even if he doesn't start, he's going to push the hell out of the starter.

On top of that, it really allows the Texans an opportunity to do a lot with that first pick. Say you go with Clowney, now you can get a 2nd round QB and not feel you have to start him right away. Or you can still get that #1 QB and still not feel you have to start him right away.

Our team didn't get worse with this signing. They got better. Despite how marginally better it may be.
 
I get the sense that Rick Smith could have found a way to sign away Andrew Luck for $1.45 and a toasted bagel and there would be people here upset about it. I'd rather have Fitz at what we signed him for than Keenum. He's at least won a game at Reliant in his career. He's a pocket passer that can learn the offense and work with rookie signal caller. You really want Keenum showing someone how to handle a pass rush?
 
TexanBacker93 said:
I get the sense that Rick Smith could have found a way to sign away Andrew Luck for $1.45 and a toasted bagel and there would be people here upset about it. I'd rather have Fitz at what we signed him for than Keenum. He's at least won a game at Reliant in his career. He's a pocket passer that can learn the offense and work with rookie signal caller. You really want Keenum showing someone how to handle a pass rush?
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Well, how old is the toasted bagel? We might need it.

Someone on 790 yesterday said that the Texans org is like a shell game. Nobody truly knows who makes what decisions. But I will make it simple for everyone. Gary Kubiak wasn't lying. Its on him.

You are kidding yourself if you don't think this team has and had talent on it. Were those Gary, or Rick decisions? Who knows. But I do know that the coach is responsible for the on field product, and it was flaming garbage last season.

I don't understand why people criticize Rick so much when they have no idea what he is responsible for. Cap mismanagement? We have so many stars on this team that its impossible to keep them all and stay under the cap. Some might say we were "all in" to win a superbowl the past couple of years. And you are going to fault Rick for trying to use all available resources? Some people just cant be pleased.
 
Interesting signing, but also concerning. I don't want RF starting ... ever. He is Matt Schaub 2.0

If they brought him in to get the drafted QB acclimated with NFL processes and act as a mentor from the professionalism perspective that's fine. Even if he had to come in for limited back-duty for some reason I wouldn't panic, but if we start him we are screwed.

One thing I do think this assures is that drafting JFF isnt going to happen. We are either going with Bortles if we take a QB at #1, or we are going in a different direction and grabbing a QB late in the first (if we work a trade), or with our 2nd pick.
 
kingtexan said:
Interesting signing, but also concerning. I don't want RF starting ... ever. He is Matt Schaub 2.0
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At the very least, he gives our rookie QB someone to beat in training camp other than Case Keenum.

He gives Case Keenum someone other than a rookie to beat out in training camp.

I'm not thrilled with the Fitzpatrick signing, but I'd feel better about a rookie, Case, or Tj starting if they had to beat out Fitz than just pulling each other's pud.
 
thunderkyss said:
At the very least, he gives our rookie QB someone to beat in training camp other than Case Keenum.

He gives Case Keenum someone other than a rookie to beat out in training camp.

I'm not thrilled with the Fitzpatrick signing, but I'd feel better about a rookie, Case, or Tj starting if they had to beat out Fitz than just pulling each other's pud.
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This is pretty much where I'm at with this.
 
kingtexan said:
Interesting signing, but also concerning. I don't want RF starting ... ever. He is Matt Schaub 2.0

If they brought him in to get the drafted QB acclimated with NFL processes and act as a mentor from the professionalism perspective that's fine. Even if he had to come in for limited back-duty for some reason I wouldn't panic, but if we start him we are screwed.

One thing I do think this assures is that drafting JFF isnt going to happen. We are either going with Bortles if we take a QB at #1, or we are going in a different direction and grabbing a QB late in the first (if we work a trade), or with our 2nd pick.
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He is Schaub 2.0 but at a much, much cheaper price to be a backup. I don't know if they expect Bortles to start right away or if they are gonna use RF for part of the season then give the keys to Bortles mid way...

Either way, this is becoming a very interesting off season...
 
BullNation4Life said:
He is Schaub 2.0 but at a much, much cheaper price to be a backup....
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With Schaub we would have committed $14.5M towards the 2014 cap for the "veteran QB" position. At least $7M for 2015.

With Fitzpatrick we have $13.35M (or something like that) committed towards the "veteran QB" position..... $4.6M for 2015 at most.


Net savings about $3.5M
 
edwardc5637 said:
Not happy with the way this is heading bringing in a bad QB to do what Schaub could have done then maybe drafting a QB this just makes no sense.
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He wore out his welcome with the masses. The fan backlash to seeing #8 trotting out on opening day would have been astronomical. Replacing him was a must.
 
Dutchrudder said:
My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million. I don't even like Keenum much, but I don't think Fitz gives us a considerably better chance of winning games over him. Certainly not 4 million dollars worth.
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He's won more than zero games. He didn't have two decent halves of football followed by complete and utter incompetence. Keenum is garbage that wouldn't have had a shred of attention is he had played at Colorado School of Mines or Boulder Academy for the Hearing Impaired. He's a fringe player and you have to move on. Sign a more proven vet, draft a guy in rounds 2 or 3, and move on.
 
Hervoyel said:
I got this funny feeling that OB is planning on playing Fitzpatrick this season. I don't want to think that but I can't convince myself otherwise. Unless that QB (probably Bortles) comes in and grabs the reigns and runs away with the job I think our starter just got signed.

Why is there no smiley for "I think I just threw up in the back of my mouth a little?"
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This is one reason I think they might have someone in mind for rookie QB other than the top 3. They bring in Fitzpatrick knowing he's smart enough to get the system even if he isn't going to be great. He's able to at least start.

Then you draft a QB you're pretty sure you can develop but you don't know how fast. Sure, that might be Bortles or Bridgewater but it might be Garoppolo or Carr or someone else.

If your rookie QB beats out Fitzpatrick, great. If not, that's fine, too. If this rookie doesn't work out, then we'll probably be in a better position next year to draft a NEW rookie QB from (supposedly) a better crop of QBs.

Does this mean we might have a few years of suck if things go wrong? Yeah. But we had that anyway.
 
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