A little better I can understand, won't even argue that it's true or not. But that doesn't drop McCarron/Murray to 3rd or 4th round.
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Teddy Bridgewater
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A little better I can understand, won't even argue that it's true or not. But that doesn't drop McCarron/Murray to 3rd or 4th round.
agproducer
Practice Squad
I've been reading y'all bicker for weeks about this topic, and I just had to jump in. It is an interesting situation.
I'm not sure that Teddy is the guy. He looked ok today. His pro day wasn't anything special. I, like several other posters have concerns about his ceiling.
You can also talk about football IQ, etc. But what does it matter if he's struggling to connect on the throws? The pro day was his setup. He and his agent helped put it together. He didn't help himself today, but I don't think he hurt himself either.
I used to think TB was the guy for the Texans, but now I'm not so sure. I started moving away from him at the end of last season. And not doing anything at the combine, imo, was a bad idea.
Ideally, I'd like the Texans to trade down, or draft Manziel. I don't think JM is worth the number one pick, but I think it may be to risky to trade down hoping to get him.
I'm not sold on TB or BB. Maybe it's because of their level of competition. I'd rather have McCarron over Bortles.
As far as the debate over "throwing it up," JM's was a throw it up and let your receiver get it type of throw. But, he put it up high where only Evans could have gotten it. Manziel only makes that throw to Evans. The dude played hoops and has some serious hops. Also, if I remember correctly, the play was on a 3rd and long just in to Alabama territory, so if it would have been picked, it would have been about the equivalent of a punt. I have no problem with Manziel making that throw. That's the play Manziel critics like to point to saying, "He just throws the ball up." But hey never point to any other play to prove that said point.
As for TB, his throw was also a throw it up there and let your receiver get it type throw. The only difference is it was to one on one coverage near the sideline. He also flung it sidearm across his body. That was less composed than the manziel throw, but it was smarter because it was in a spot where only his guy could get it, or it would be incomplete. It also could have ended horribly if he hadn't gotten enough on it. It almost looked like he was trying to throw it away and his receiver got under it.
So, let the debate on that topic rest. Both were off schedule throws that worked out. That's the bottom line. At some point, players have to make plays. Both guys did.
And I'm happy to have joined this board. You guys all seem to have some kind of football knowledge to back your opinions. Cheers!
I'm not sure that Teddy is the guy. He looked ok today. His pro day wasn't anything special. I, like several other posters have concerns about his ceiling.
You can also talk about football IQ, etc. But what does it matter if he's struggling to connect on the throws? The pro day was his setup. He and his agent helped put it together. He didn't help himself today, but I don't think he hurt himself either.
I used to think TB was the guy for the Texans, but now I'm not so sure. I started moving away from him at the end of last season. And not doing anything at the combine, imo, was a bad idea.
Ideally, I'd like the Texans to trade down, or draft Manziel. I don't think JM is worth the number one pick, but I think it may be to risky to trade down hoping to get him.
I'm not sold on TB or BB. Maybe it's because of their level of competition. I'd rather have McCarron over Bortles.
As far as the debate over "throwing it up," JM's was a throw it up and let your receiver get it type of throw. But, he put it up high where only Evans could have gotten it. Manziel only makes that throw to Evans. The dude played hoops and has some serious hops. Also, if I remember correctly, the play was on a 3rd and long just in to Alabama territory, so if it would have been picked, it would have been about the equivalent of a punt. I have no problem with Manziel making that throw. That's the play Manziel critics like to point to saying, "He just throws the ball up." But hey never point to any other play to prove that said point.
As for TB, his throw was also a throw it up there and let your receiver get it type throw. The only difference is it was to one on one coverage near the sideline. He also flung it sidearm across his body. That was less composed than the manziel throw, but it was smarter because it was in a spot where only his guy could get it, or it would be incomplete. It also could have ended horribly if he hadn't gotten enough on it. It almost looked like he was trying to throw it away and his receiver got under it.
So, let the debate on that topic rest. Both were off schedule throws that worked out. That's the bottom line. At some point, players have to make plays. Both guys did.
And I'm happy to have joined this board. You guys all seem to have some kind of football knowledge to back your opinions. Cheers!
How does anyone know who helped or hurt themselves at their pro days?
I'd imagine people there have different opinions.
People are looking for different things. Really, if you didn't watch the pro day and you say he hurt or helped himself you are just parroting because that can't be your opinion.
If you say well he helped himself at his pro day...Well to you he did. The "blank" GM and "blank" coach or scout may have seen something that really turned them off. Could have just been how he interacted with his teammates during the process.
You have a lot of talking heads that will give their opinions and maybe get some "sources" opinions.
You see players drafted in spots where you don't expect every year....Really we don't have any clue what all 32 of these teams are thinking.
I'd imagine people there have different opinions.
People are looking for different things. Really, if you didn't watch the pro day and you say he hurt or helped himself you are just parroting because that can't be your opinion.
If you say well he helped himself at his pro day...Well to you he did. The "blank" GM and "blank" coach or scout may have seen something that really turned them off. Could have just been how he interacted with his teammates during the process.
You have a lot of talking heads that will give their opinions and maybe get some "sources" opinions.
You see players drafted in spots where you don't expect every year....Really we don't have any clue what all 32 of these teams are thinking.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Full Pro Day video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53UMp-cKzEU
BullNation4Life
All Pro
ok watched the video...
couple of things,
1: did not like the fact the receiver had to wait for the ball on the deep throws. Sound like some one we already know? *cough* Matt Schaub *cough*
2: It seemed like he was lobbing the ball. I didn't see the zip, or as much zip, on the ball than people talk about. Ball also looked like a wounded duck coming out...
3: It is me, and it could be, but it seems Bridgewater has 2 different releases. He looks like he has to wind up a little to get the ball out faster, then he throws right by his ear on the short passes and the ball seems faster. I was kinda weird...
guess we shall wait and see...
couple of things,
1: did not like the fact the receiver had to wait for the ball on the deep throws. Sound like some one we already know? *cough* Matt Schaub *cough*
2: It seemed like he was lobbing the ball. I didn't see the zip, or as much zip, on the ball than people talk about. Ball also looked like a wounded duck coming out...
3: It is me, and it could be, but it seems Bridgewater has 2 different releases. He looks like he has to wind up a little to get the ball out faster, then he throws right by his ear on the short passes and the ball seems faster. I was kinda weird...
guess we shall wait and see...
Blake
MMQB
Unimpressive pro-day?
Hmmm. Isnt there some gametape on this kid? You know, stuff that actually matters?
All the pro-day and combine does for fans is talk people into, and out of taking a prospect based on frivolous reasons. I, like others prefer to let their actual play do the talking.
Hmmm. Isnt there some gametape on this kid? You know, stuff that actually matters?
All the pro-day and combine does for fans is talk people into, and out of taking a prospect based on frivolous reasons. I, like others prefer to let their actual play do the talking.
That was not impressive to me. I was in and out yesterday and I was just like whatever...
But if I was watching that and didn't know anything about TB I'd think he was not very good...
I have to trust what I see on film though. In game situations. I have to think with some good coaching he can look better in practice in shorts and t-shirts.
When you look at him in the video, I think he looks like he was not focused. Not a bad thing, but to me he seemed like he looked too casual out there while his teammates looked more focused and prepared.
I really don't care about pro-days anyway, because like Iverson said, "We're talking about practice. We ain't talking about the game. We're talking about practice, man."
I really don't care about pro-days anyway, because like Iverson said, "We're talking about practice. We ain't talking about the game. We're talking about practice, man."
deucetx
Rookie
Watching that really didn't change my opinion on trading down or going defense with the first pick. He looked like a middle first round pick. But that's just going off his proday. I don't like one day of action erasing game film as I find that the most important factor. At the same this is a day that is scripted and well prepared for so you should look a bit less shaky than what he delievered.
Hopefully Bortles and Manziel have a good showing but Bridge will still have his private showings to redeem himself.
agproducer
Practice Squad
I wasn't suggesting that a pro day erases the game film. I was saying he wasn't that great. Some of his passes fluttered. some spirals weren't tight. That doesn't negate what he's done in games. Because as one of y'all said, "It's just practice."
But, if you can't get up and perform on what should have been your most important workout since you didn't do anything at the combine -- it makes me question things. That is just my opinion.
If he was having problems in a workout that HE and his agent designed to showcase his talents, it makes me question things even more.
I'm not bashing TB. I like the guy. The Texans would be ok to pick him. He is supposedly the most pro-ready QB. But, from what I saw yesterday, it didn't look like it.
But, if you can't get up and perform on what should have been your most important workout since you didn't do anything at the combine -- it makes me question things. That is just my opinion.
If he was having problems in a workout that HE and his agent designed to showcase his talents, it makes me question things even more.
I'm not bashing TB. I like the guy. The Texans would be ok to pick him. He is supposedly the most pro-ready QB. But, from what I saw yesterday, it didn't look like it.
Worse than that. Reaffirmed my opinion that there was a reason we didn't see many out patterns from the WRs... 5 yard, 10 yard, 15 yard outs.... There's a reason he didn't throw a lot of 9s...
& those legs... too skinny. I'm changing my opinion on his weight, I'm back to it being an issue. I don't believe he'll gain weight, like Michael Vick didn't gain weight...
agproducer
Practice Squad
Except Vick appears to have a stronger arm.
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Something Witty !
I think TB's people are protecting him from something . There's a bunch of watch the film and look at him disect a play going on to distract the audience from what they see in person .
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Vick has a strong largely useless arm because he is so inaccurate.
Actually, after watching too much of all three quarterbacks, I'm starting to warm up to the idea of selecting McCarron or anybody else later in the draft. These Number one overalls are killing us.
:vincepalm:
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Something Witty !
Yep ... the #1 overall pick should be an elite prospect . I think there are 2 in this draft and neither is a QB .
badboy
Hall of Fame
I am looking at WR Watkins and also like Mosley and Matthews as most risk free. I am hoping for trade down with Browns and using #4 on Watkins as franchise type play maker.
This is for the people who are souring on Teddy because of his pro day
http://nfl.si.com/2014/03/17/teddy-bridgewater-pro-day-2014-nfl-draft/
http://nfl.si.com/2014/03/17/teddy-bridgewater-pro-day-2014-nfl-draft/
So I'm admittedly in the pro-Teddy camp. That said, has anyone considered that some guys just perform better against live ammo?
You're asking people to use common sense, not everyone has that ability.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
That's why people are saying "Look at the tape" and "It's just practice."
He missed an opportunity to solidify himself as THE guy if he was already in the running.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I think the gloves ( or lack of ) are an issue . His size is an issue and he got a bit of stage fright at his pro day . The guys who had a good pro day then bombed , excelled at the simple and when things got harder , they failed . Teddy is not the #1 overall pick .
deucetx
Rookie
Of course the issue with that is the fact proday is just about mechanics and throwing. None of those players had physical issues. They had mental blocks or simply were lazy. So none of that is exposed on proday. Those guys can make all the throws but when under pressure they fizzled or some just plain quit. Well I excuse Bradford as he hasn't had a bad career thus far and was showing improvement before getting injured (once again) this past season.
In any case, many already said it is only one session and that there is still game film and the private workouts. Doesn't mean we can't evaluate the proday since that is the point of having it and why NFL personnel were there. You take it and add it to everything else. It isn't the final verdict.
I agree, this could have been his opportunity to eliminate a few lingering questions there may be about him. But I also agree that his game film and interviews with gm's and coaches is likely to speak volumes more than his shorts and t-shirt dry run.
Like I said, some guys are just gamers. And I'm content with him being the "anti-Mike Mamula".
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
How funny people are saying it means nothing. THen why have a pro day at all? Of course it means something. It confirmed what a lot of people have been saying for awhile now. That he has problems with deep passes.
Another funny thing, people keep pointing out all the bad QB's that had good pro days. That's just it. Even the bad ones do good at their pro days. How about showing another top rated QB that had as disappointing a performance as Teddy's today.
Another funny thing, people keep pointing out all the bad QB's that had good pro days. That's just it. Even the bad ones do good at their pro days. How about showing another top rated QB that had as disappointing a performance as Teddy's today.
On the radio earlier they rattled off some names in both categories. I know they mentioned cam newton and nick foles as two guys who some scouts said weren't impressive at their pro days.
They read one scout who said Russell Wilson couldn't be a starter and his best fit was a back up. Tom Brady was far from impressive at the combine.
He's not a qb, but burfict had a bad combine and a bad pro day.
Bill Walsh said he wouldn't have taken manning in the first round. He'd have took another player and gone after griese in the second.
So some people will take the less than stellar pro day and it confirns what they think of said prospect. If you never liked him, this wouldn't help.
I think for those of us that do like him, we aknowledge that it was a bad showing, but aren't going to let a bad day tossing the ball around in tshirts override what all we've seen on film.
For those undecided, this very well could swing the pendulum.
Question is, where do the texans stand?
And people should just chill out a little bit. No one here is making any decisions and we won't have an outcome for a few years. And by then the level of angst will have resided and people won't care as much and most won't remember what poster said what about who.
I like this thought process.
The TB orgasmics while admitting TB had a bad pro day. But they will never admit that TB isn't 1-1.
Fair people say he still could be #1 but this had to hurt his chances.
Fair people say he still could be #1 but this had to hurt his chances.
We sittin here, Teddy sposed' to be a franchise player and we in here talkin bout a Pro Day. I mean listen, we talkin bout a pro day...Not a game. Not a game. NOT a GAME! We talkin about a PRO DAY...not the game that Teddy goes out and dies for. And plays every game like its his last. NOT the game, we talkin about pro day man. I mean how silly is that? We talkin about pro days!!
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2014/03/texans-meet-with-teddy-bridgewater-after-pro-day/
Not a surprise at all that the Texans the Texans talked with Teddy.
Not a surprise at all that the Texans the Texans talked with Teddy.
If the Texans are truly undecided on who they are taking at pick 1, then some of the little side things will matter more in decision process than normal. Obviously, since most QBs knock pro days out of the park and he was at best ok that performance yesterday did not help, but how much did it hurt?
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Recollections of a coach talking about playoffs?
deucetx
Rookie
I don't know. I think he was channeling Allen Iverson there with his whole 'Practice' rant.
I don't think a good pro day is a big deal. Doesn't add or take away, simply reaffirms what you should have already knew.
A bad pro day raises questions & when you're talking about the #1 overall pick, those questions are no small matter.
I didn't expect Teddy to have a bad pro day, but I was interested to see how he threw to specific routes outside the hashes. I mentioned a while back that there was a definite lack of out routes & deep fades in his "game film"
Watching his pro day showed me why. Of course you're going to design your offense around what your QB does well & they did so at Louisville for Teddy against lesser competition.
Watching Aj McCarron's pro day wasn't much different for me. I wasn't very pleased with how he threw on the same routes. But I can go back to his game film & see how he threw them in a real game situation.
Can Teddy get better? Sure he can, & he's going to have to. Otherwise, he's going to challenge Schaub's Pick 6 record early if he's allowed to play.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I'm not trying to actually compare the two, but Bridgewater has a build and game much like Joe Montana. Thin, no big gun and not big on scrambling but moves well. Joe was picked in the 3rd round. Extreme and unfair example but both players were not easy on the eye with their pre draft workouts. Personally I wouldn't touch Bridewater in the first.
I think that's the real 'problem' with all of the guys this year. they have some things that can translate into being starting NFL QBs, but they really should not be drafted anywhere near the top of the 1st round.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
His management team needs to be fired or those advising him. Have too many red flags piling up despite impressed with his game tape. First there is the whole glove thing, small hands, throws without them Pro Day, makes you wonder why? does he need them? his weight fluctuation is crazy, he's up he's down, back up then down again. He decides not to compete @ the Combine on the biggest stage, a chance to match-up with his competition. he lets Bortles gain attention. much as I personally like the young man I think he is falling victim to bad advise & will that trend continue?
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
I agree. Looks like they focused on gaining 25 lbs. for the Combine and forgot about what that might do to his mechanics. The kid had good tape at the lighter weight... let him be that guy. You've got to do a lot wrong to make TB worse as a flag-footballer than a college player.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Mack is my favorite player at #1. Game changer.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
If Bridgewater stock keeps falling, we may be able to get him in the 2nd and Mack in the 1st.
Happened to Geno Smith last year, it could happen.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
Whoever allowed him to change for pro day should be fired.
Blame it on the gloves....