The price depends on how far down we are willing to move. Where does the elite talent drop off at?
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Who would be your #1 choice?
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The price depends on how far down we are willing to move. Where does the elite talent drop off at?
Since all of the 8 players listed here received votes (with Mack only getting 1 vote, but also seeming to be Mayocks favorite), I guess you could say 8 - maybe you could even include players like Barr.
I like trading down for the right offer, but I am still a believer in Bridgewater and I would be very intrigued with Manziel. Overall I would only trade down, if we don`t believe in either QB. I don´t think any other player is worth keeping the pick (instead of a great offer) since we have great depth this season.
And I don`t really like Clowney. Sure, he is a physical freak and maybe a generational talent. But with the way he handles himself and never really giving 100%, I don`t like that. He can get by on his talent alone - and he will be able to get by on talent alone with the pros. But he will never be dominating if he doesn`t drastically change his work ethic and on the field energy. I don`t like to take that chance.
So trade the first pick for a great offer, if you don`t believe in either QB. If you do, I don`t care what the offer is, you take the QB. Right now I´d say: take Bridgewater.
jradMIT
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Ole Miss Texan
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I had to double check who wrote this as it's verbatim how I feel! If OB see a QB he must have then I'm great taking him at 1.1. Outside of that I really want to trade down (like with CLE) and stockpile draft picks. Would take best available at #4 whether that's Robinson or Mack or hell even Clowney. Really want to be able to pick up another pick this draft and a 2015 1st with a trade down.
If we MUST stay at 1.1 I still like Bridgewater. But my mind is open and I look forward to seeing how this all plays out
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
No sure thing at the QB position this year. So I voted clowney. Take mccarron 2.1 Look for a vet around the league to push a.j.
That's why he had 3.5 sacks last season against college competition !? So much for perennial .....
I fell off the McCarron wagon after watching him throw the other day .... Give me Garoppolo @ 2:1.
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
I want a trade down and pick Robinson (Who I voted for) or Clowney at 4. In the trade I want Cleveland's 2nd and a 2015 1st.
Garappolo or Murray would be my QB pick.
Garappolo or Murray would be my QB pick.
TexansFTW
Veteran
No ?'s on height? Only 6'1"?
If you're a short WR in the league you generally need a special QB to succeed. If you're being drafted in the top 5 you generally don't have a special QB.
What kind of cookies????
eriadoc
Texan-American
How is 6'1" a short WR? Jeez ...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Folks were saying that ten years ago.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
I'm still on the Bridgewater bandwagon, but I agree with some folks that there isn't a true clear #1 prospect in this draft. However, sometimes you gotta take a chance and get a guy who will develop into someone worthy of the #1 overall pick. There is no Andrew Luck, unfortunately, so we will have to take the guy who is most likely to become that franchise QB. I think it will be Teddy.
jradMIT
Veteran
They were just ahead of their time.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Same place I'm at. I could make a case for 7 guys to be the #1 pick. But in such a muddled group, QB is such a huge need that I can convince myself to go QB and Teddy is the one I happen to like the most.
I honestly wouldn't know who to take, i would love to trade down somewhere in the top 10...
But if we have the 1st pick I'm gonna let the texans make that decision and not freak out... they are putting in all the work, i don't have time to pretend I'm a scout and watch film
If they take clowney i just hope thats because they fell in love with a QB they could get in the 2nd or 3rd rounds
But if we have the 1st pick I'm gonna let the texans make that decision and not freak out... they are putting in all the work, i don't have time to pretend I'm a scout and watch film
If they take clowney i just hope thats because they fell in love with a QB they could get in the 2nd or 3rd rounds
If Clowney turns out to be all he's hyped to be by some , how long do you think you can keep both he & Watt on the same payroll with a salary cap??
Watt is going to get paid soon , likely Mario Williams in Barfalo money , probably after this coming season. That leaves you ~3-4 years before Clowney is wanting the same type of $$$.
Can you spend $40m on two players on the DL and fill the roster with sufficient talent at the other positions ??
I'm still undecided on the QB's .... but I take whichever of them I grade out the highest after all the information is in.
Right now , I'm torn between Bridgewater , Manziel and Robinson .... which would mean taking a QB later.
stingray
Hall of Fame
This is my top 5 in order. These are my observations in what i have seen on tape and read.
1. Bridgewater- smart, accurate, great work ethic. Only knock is weight but should be fine after weighing 214 lbs.
2. Manziel- Has a wow factor, not super fast but has great change of direction. Can be immature and concerns about him running a lot could make him the next RGiii.
3. Clowney- Extremely talented, rare combination of size and speed. But concerns that he has a lamborghini body and a honda fit motor.
4. Bortles- Looks the part, may turn out great but still raw. Very risky pick in my opinion due to people falling in live with his prototypical size for a qb.
5. Mack- super quick off the line. Looks unblockable at times. Comes from small school so competition is a concern.
I will not be angry if the Texans select any of the 5. I would rather see Teddy but will jump on board with any of them.
1. Bridgewater- smart, accurate, great work ethic. Only knock is weight but should be fine after weighing 214 lbs.
2. Manziel- Has a wow factor, not super fast but has great change of direction. Can be immature and concerns about him running a lot could make him the next RGiii.
3. Clowney- Extremely talented, rare combination of size and speed. But concerns that he has a lamborghini body and a honda fit motor.
4. Bortles- Looks the part, may turn out great but still raw. Very risky pick in my opinion due to people falling in live with his prototypical size for a qb.
5. Mack- super quick off the line. Looks unblockable at times. Comes from small school so competition is a concern.
I will not be angry if the Texans select any of the 5. I would rather see Teddy but will jump on board with any of them.
I'd be happy if he turns into the next Donavan McNabb. Or better yet, Jim Kelly.
If we draft him. If not, the next Ponder.
What if Watt blows out a knee? Or decides to go fight in Afghanistan?
We've got at least 5 years before we have to make that decision. If we get a Super Bowl between now & then (say we draft McCarron in the second).. then it's worth it.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I would add Robinson personally to your list somewhere near Bortles and Mack.
Let me ask you this. Do you believe there will be one or more players in the second that may do as well as Clowney or Mack?
Do you believe there will be one or more players in the second that may do as well as Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles?
If you answer no to both questions.... then you've got to take your QB. If you answer yes to both questions, then it doesn't really matter.
If you answer yes to one & not the other, then you need to select the other.
TexansFTW
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Really? I don't think it's that absurd.
Look at the less than 6'3"+ WRs, that are strictly WRs (not Pattersons, Harvins, Austins) and look at their success in the NFL that don't have one of very good (top 8 QBs) throwing them the football.
There are definitely some like Steve Smith, Garcon, Boldin, etc, but not many.
I think if guys like Kendall Wright were on a team w/ a very good QB they would be household names putting up Antonio Brown #s.
I have a theory about this though and it involves accurate QBs (the VERY GOOD QBs). Your less accurate QBs like Schaub, Dalton, etc. can just throw jump balls or whatever and those big WRs they have can go up and get them most of the time, but when you get guys like Robert Woods jump balling against a same size CB you have way less success. Your more accurate QBs that can fit the ball anywhere can make anyone great though regardless of size.
This is just my theory though and if you want to shoot it down, fair enough.
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I´d answer yes to the first question. There usually are great pass rushers in the 2nd or 3d available, Kyle van Noy might be a possibility. And I have major question marks around Clowney and think, that drafting Mack may be reaching a bit. If we were to take him I´d prefer us trading out of the top spot.
The second question is trickier. I don`t think any other player has the ceiling of these 2 guys. But there are major question marks, if they can hit their ceiling. And it is entirely possible, that a 2nd round QB outperforms them. I also think, that no 2nd round QB is as NFL ready as Bridgewater.
My top 5 would probably be:
1. Bridgewater
2. Manziel
3. Robinson
4. Matthews
5. Clowney/Watkins
Yes. Dee Ford if we are looking at a pure DE. Van Noy if we're looking for a OLB. Plus Van Noy can cover. I haven't seen any reports on Clowney's coverage skills... and at OLB - he's small for what RAC has historically looked for in DEs - he will have to cover on occasion.
Now this one, as has been said earlier, is trickier to answer since I don't really know what O'Brien wants in a QB. But I think my answer would be a qualified "yes". Garappolo can be had in the 2nd and maybe Mettenberger or Bret Smith can be had in the 3rd, maybe 4th.
I think Bortles is being overly hyped of late and when Manziel and Bridgewater decided not to showcase their skills at the combine both have dropped down my "board" (if I had a board
). Whatcha skeerd of fellas?I answered yes to both. But that's me. I have this feeling that Bridgewater will be picked by us at 1-1.
...assuming we don't get a sweet trade down deal.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Well, I never used the word absurd, but I do think it's an extreme position. Just a quick glance at the 2013 receptions leader board shows #1 Garcon at 6', #2 Antonio Brown at 5'10", #3 AJ (6'3", though I've seen him listed at 6'2"), #4 Edelman at 5'10", and #5 Brandon Marshall at 6'4". Rounding out the top 20 are 6 more that are less than your 6'3" mark, 5 of whom are less than 6'1". So 9 of the top 20 are less than 6'3". Notably absent from the top 20 are guys that have been there before or had high yardage and/or TD success, such as Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith (CAR), Victor Cruz, Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings, Dwayne Bowe, Hakeem Nicks, Danny Amendola, or Steve Johnson. All of those WRs are under your arbitrary 6'3" mark, and almost all of them are under the 6'1" height of Sammy Watkins.
And I didn't even mention our own DeAndre Hopkins, who has the capability of being in such a list.
TexansFTW
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I think you only read the first line of what I said, but fair enough.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Why isn't BILL one of our choices?
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I would take Clowney, and shoot for a QB at the top of the 2nd. But if I had to take a QB I would go with:
Bridgewater
Bortles
Manziel
We all know that the OL is something that needs serious attention, or it won't matter who is under center.
The poll on the official website has Manziel with a wide margin. Imagine that. I think this poll is a bit more realistic with Bridgewater leading the way.
The combine was a waste of time, and I think only players willing to participate in all of the drills should be invited. If you decide not to throw, etc. your invitation is revoked and you have to rely on your pro day only. Allot of good it did to see Bridgewater and Manziel standing on the sidelines watching other guys throw.
And that is why I have Bortles over Manziel. At least Bortles had the balls to throw and show what he's got. This excuse about not having WR's they are familiar with is total BS. The scouts, coaches and GM's all know that.
I see Manziel as Keenum 2.0, and with that much hype around him, he will never be able to live up to that.
Bridgewater the most pro ready which as already been said, but I have to laugh at people who say he is too thin, but never say the same thing about Manziel who is smaller in every way.
Bridgewater
Bortles
Manziel
We all know that the OL is something that needs serious attention, or it won't matter who is under center.
The poll on the official website has Manziel with a wide margin. Imagine that. I think this poll is a bit more realistic with Bridgewater leading the way.
The combine was a waste of time, and I think only players willing to participate in all of the drills should be invited. If you decide not to throw, etc. your invitation is revoked and you have to rely on your pro day only. Allot of good it did to see Bridgewater and Manziel standing on the sidelines watching other guys throw.
And that is why I have Bortles over Manziel. At least Bortles had the balls to throw and show what he's got. This excuse about not having WR's they are familiar with is total BS. The scouts, coaches and GM's all know that.
I see Manziel as Keenum 2.0, and with that much hype around him, he will never be able to live up to that.
Bridgewater the most pro ready which as already been said, but I have to laugh at people who say he is too thin, but never say the same thing about Manziel who is smaller in every way.
It's implied that we're talking about potential rookies; so are you saying Bill's a rookie??
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
It's implied that we're talking about potential rookies; so are you saying Bill's a rookie??
Depends on the subject. Do you want us to fill in the blank?
This is where I'm at. Now I'm hoping we can trade down and get 3-4 first round talents out of this draft
ummmm...Depends on the subject. Do you want us to fill in the blank?
no.
let's not go there.
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Exascor
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This is me as well. What a strange situation to be in. You have your pick of every eligible player but there's not any players truly separating from the pack. I'm rotating through Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel, Clowney & Watkins. I hate mocks that have trades but I'd prefer one to happen vs taking someone at 1-1. I'd love to drop to 4-6 range and still get one of the top 3 qbs. At 1-1 my head just hurts.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
I'm still a Bridgewater guy but I would not be upset with a trade down, plenty of depth this year.
TexansFTW
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I do hear what you're saying, but I also feel like everyone focuses so much on 2012 this is how everyone feels, which leads people to think we are getting screwed to have the #1 pick THIS YEAR or something.
Besides 2012 do you know how many years in the last 10 draft years had an 'easy' decision at 1.01?
The answer is 0.
Even Bradford's year there were a lot of people talking about Suh at #1.
Stafford's year might have been a little easier to take him at #1, but out of about 5 'big boards' I saw he was only #1 on 1 of them and frequently ranked between 5-10 (kind of like this year).
Then you can argue the Raiders 'easily' chose Jamarcus, but that's cause the Raiders are dumb and rarely use proper decision making with their high draft picks.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Andrew Luck seemed like an easy decision to me. Probably Stafford and Eli Manning too. 3 outta 10 years at best ain't too great.
TexansFTW
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I omitted 2004 and Eli by saying last 10 drafts. 2005 - 2014. Eli was a pretty easy #1 too, you're right.
Well, with the Texans seemingly going the rebuild mode - I guess I´d try to trade down a bit and then select Robinson (at least if they are not in love with any QB). Get draft picks and build the line, so that whoever comes in at QB has a chance. If we can`t get Garrapolo in the 2nd, well then keep going with Keenum. In rebuilding high draft picks are important, so build the lines and the pass rush this year, get a QB, a TE and a safety next year.
I am still in the Bridgewater camp, but if they don`t love a QB and want to be smart and build slowly through the draft, they might as well do it right.
I am still in the Bridgewater camp, but if they don`t love a QB and want to be smart and build slowly through the draft, they might as well do it right.
Now that we've had combine fever die down and there have been some significant F/A moves, I wonder what the poll would look like if taken today...?
I'm still for Robinson/Matthews.
Although picking Bridgewater wouldn't have me running to jump off a ledge.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
Still Bridgewater here. If you can have a floor high as Matt Ryan, who I think TB is similar to, you make the selection and walk away. I doubt the FO is going to get a legit trade down option, which means they'll have to take #1.