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Clowney, then what?

There's 50 pages to this thread and I haven't followed it in its entirety; but has there been any discussion on where Clowney would be projected to play within Crennel's 2-gap 34? I do know there's been comment that he doesn't fit the profile required at DE; so he'd have to play the Will OLB. We already have one player - JJ - who is not an ideal fit in Crennel's defense, so if we were to draft Clowney, it would basically be saying that Crennel would be abandoning the defense he is known for and moving toward some kind of hybrid, or maybe Phillip's 1-gap 34. What is the likelihood? I wouldn't dismiss the idea of Clowney being plugged into the OLB position, but Barr would be as likely as good of a choice, at the #4 or #5 draft spot.
 
Number19 said:
There's 50 pages to this thread and I haven't followed it in its entirety; but has there been any discussion on where Clowney would be projected to play within Crennel's 2-gap 34? I do know there's been comment that he doesn't fit the profile required at DE; so he'd have to play the Will OLB. We already have one player - JJ - who is not an ideal fit in Crennel's defense, so if we were to draft Clowney, it would basically be saying that Crennel would be abandoning the defense he is known for and moving toward some kind of hybrid, or maybe Phillip's 1-gap 34. What is the likelihood? I wouldn't dismiss the idea of Clowney being plugged into the OLB position, but Barr would be as likely as good of a choice, at the #4 or #5 draft spot.
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Coaches find ways to use great players. Clowney would be a better version of McGinest in Crennel's defense.
 
Number19 said:
There's 50 pages to this thread and I haven't followed it in its entirety; but has there been any discussion on where Clowney would be projected to play within Crennel's 2-gap 34? I do know there's been comment that he doesn't fit the profile required at DE; so he'd have to play the Will OLB. We already have one player - JJ - who is not an ideal fit in Crennel's defense, so if we were to draft Clowney, it would basically be saying that Crennel would be abandoning the defense he is known for and moving toward some kind of hybrid, or maybe Phillip's 1-gap 34. What is the likelihood? I wouldn't dismiss the idea of Clowney being plugged into the OLB position, but Barr would be as likely as good of a choice, at the #4 or #5 draft spot.
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Nope .... no discussion of how he fits or where he plays.


If ya ask me , they probably need to go to a 4-3 if they take him .... which creates other problems.
 
Clowney has a reputation of taking plays off. If he were to be fit into Crennel's system where his responsibility is to tie up a double team block; and not to rush the passer, I'd worry that he wouldn't give his all. At OLB, where his responsibility would be to rush the QB almost every play, often facing only a RB, and seldom more than one-on-one, he might be motivated to go lights out every play to rack up the numbers. To play DE you have to be content to play for the team and not for yourself.
 
Number19 said:
Clowney has a reputation of taking plays off. If he were to be fit into Crennel's system where his responsibility is to tie up a double team block; and not to rush the passer, I'd worry that he wouldn't give his all. At OLB, where his responsibility would be to rush the QB almost every play, often facing only a RB, and seldom more than one-on-one, he might be motivated to go lights out every play to rack up the numbers. To play DE you have to be content to play for the team and not for yourself.
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Yep

I want to know how many plays he took off in 2012? Last yr it appeared to me that Clowney was playing not to get hurt. Because he knew he would be a top pick in this yrs draft. I don't blame him for thinking this way. Getting hurt would've cost him millions.
 
personally i have no doubt that he can and if drafted by us will play the OLB in the 3-4. he has the athleticism to do so. no worries on my part
 
Clowney would fit just fine at DE in our 3-4. He certainly could play OLB, but taking him off the LOS eliminates his greatest attribute; his lightning first step.

People are misdiagnosing the whole Crennel 2 gap scheme. If your two best pass rushers are DE's, then you adjust your scheme accordingly...not force them to tie up blocks and attempt to get less talented players to rush the QB from the OLB slot. Besides so much nickel and dime is ran in today's game that often we will be using a 4 man front anyways.
 
Didn't Crennel already come out and say that he wouldn't be adjusting his system for Watt? If that's the case then I assume that he wouldn't adjust it for Clowney either.

O'Brien has gone on record though saying that they will run a ton of sub packages because of the way offenses are playing now so don't get dead set on base formation. Still not a fan of Clowney in a 3-4 though.
 
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of Watt's strengths that he has become a playmaker at a position which usually isn't a playmaker's position?
So why is there so much concern that Clowney be placed at a position which has traditionally been a playmaker's position?

I hope we establish our own scheme which utilizes OUR players and not try to shoehorn our talent into an old scheme.
 
I know this has been briefly discussed, but I think it's mostly been glossed over. I did a search and couldn't find what I was looking for, so I'm just going to ask. Sorry if this is an already opened and closed question...

Will Clowney work in RAC's system?

I think JJ Watt and his agent are already a little worried about the hire, I would imagine, when he is getting ready to get paid. DL aren't meant to pile up numbers in RAC's system as much as they are required to occupy space and free up others to pile up numbers.

I know JJ Fight's through Double Team's fine last season, but I don't think Clowney really proved he could like Watt did last year.

The main function under RAC's system is for DL to tie up blockers so the LB's and Safeties make the plays at the throat (QB/RB/Ball Carrier). I guess I get moving Clowney to OLB maybe, but what do you do with former 1st round pick Merciless? He's effectively worthless. He can't really do anything 'good' except MAYBE pass rush so it's not like you can move him.

Sorry if this is old and already been answered with a LEGIT real answer, not just 'athletic freak can do anything, end of story'. Thanks for the help.
 
TexansFTW said:
I know this has been briefly discussed, but I think it's mostly been glossed over. I did a search and couldn't find what I was looking for, so I'm just going to ask. Sorry if this is an already opened and closed question...

Will Clowney work in RAC's system?
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I honestly have no idea, which somewhat bothers me. I don't like him as a stand-up guy because you're taking away one of his best attributes (burst). He's labeled an athletic freak because he does things that most DE's cannot do. Stand him up and I really don't think he's as unique.

He has also gone on record before saying that he wants nothing to do with playing 3-4 DE. He wants to rush the passer. If he really does have work ethic issues, then drafting him and then gap plugging him is a really stupid idea because he will not give full effort.


TexansFTW said:
I think JJ Watt and his agent are already a little worried about the hire, I would imagine, when he is getting ready to get paid. DL aren't meant to pile up numbers in RAC's system as much as they are required to occupy space and free up others to pile up numbers.

I know JJ Fight's through Double Team's fine last season, but I don't think Clowney really proved he could like Watt did last year.
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Watt was fighting through double teams in a one-gap scheme. Completely different. Wade's scheme was all about penetration so Watt could choose which gap he would shoot and could fight upfield or laterally to beat double teams. In a two-gap, he's not penetrating. He's anchoring and controlling two gaps instead of shooting one and trying to make a play.

I really do not like the idea of him two-gapping because you're taking away the opportunity for him to be a playmaker. He will still make plays because he is a playmaker, but he will have less opportunities to make those plays. If Wade did anything right during his tenure, it was putting his best players (Watt & Cushing) in positions to make plays.

As for Clowney, he can beat a double team. But (just IMO) asking him to occupy a double team so someone else can make a play isn't going to fly with him. He wants to make plays, not occupy blockers.
 
Number19 said:
Clowney has a reputation of taking plays off. If he were to be fit into Crennel's system where his responsibility is to tie up a double team block; and not to rush the passer, I'd worry that he wouldn't give his all. At OLB, where his responsibility would be to rush the QB almost every play, often facing only a RB, and seldom more than one-on-one, he might be motivated to go lights out every play to rack up the numbers. To play DE you have to be content to play for the team and not for yourself.
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He would play the elephant in crenels system. What people keep neglecting to mention is his good friend Marcus Lattimore who was considered one of the top college RB's had his knee blown out Clowneys freshman year. He was considered by many a first round pick. He never recovered and missed out on a real career in the NFL. Seeing that first hand had to effect Clowney. That would effect anyone in that situation.

Cloak and dagger has a thread started in Texans talk that has a good read on where he would play. It also covers questions about Watt and how he will fit. Sorry hard to post links on my phone.
 
Marshall said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of Watt's strengths that he has become a playmaker at a position which usually isn't a playmaker's position?
So why is there so much concern that Clowney be placed at a position which has traditionally been a playmaker's position?

I hope we establish our own scheme which utilizes OUR players and not try to shoehorn our talent into an old scheme.
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Same position, different scheme with different responsibilities.
 
mussop said:
What people keep neglecting to mention is his good friend Marcus Lattimore who was considered one of the top college RB's had his knee blown out Clowneys freshman year. He was considered by many a first round pick. He never recovered and missed out on a real career in the NFL. Seeing that first hand had to effect Clowney. That would effect anyone in that situation.
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Now that is classic excuse making. Everyone who has been in football for any length of time has seen injuries end careers or take huge setbacks like McGahee. If that was his rationale (which means both you and he are conceding he took the season off) then it speaks very poorly of his willingness to do anything he doesn't perceive as best for his wallet - "sorry, this is a sacrifice free zone."
 
infantrycak said:
Now that is classic excuse making. Everyone who has been in football for any length of time has seen injuries end careers or take huge setbacks like McGahee. If that was his rationale (which means both you and he are conceding he took the season off) then it speaks very poorly of his willingness to do anything he doesn't perceive as best for his wallet - "sorry, this is a sacrifice free zone."
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I think that to be truly great the talent and drive both have to be there . Ronnie Lott had the tip of his finger cut off to play in the SB . I've seen Jack Youngblood play with a broken leg and so on . I can't see those guys taking a season off . I can't see JJ taken off a season .
 
Well, it maybe an excuse but certainly it was a natural thing for him or anyone in his shoe to feel. The fear of losing a career before a pro contract is signed is a real fear for anyone. But that doesn't mean he's lazy or has work ethic issues. Maybe when he's signed that peace of mind would allow him to go all out.

My dad worked 14 to 16 hours a day for years to support us taking grave yard shift when's available. One night his coworker was severely injuried while driving home from a double-shift(dozed off driving from exhaustion). Now he can't work to support his family and on disabilities. That hit my dad hard and he cut back on his hours(thank God). But no one in their right mind would call my dad lazy.

It's so unfair how anyone can slapped this "lazy" label on a player that hasn't taken an NFL snap.
 
klockWork said:
Well, it maybe an excuse but certainly it was a natural thing for him or anyone in his shoe to feel. The fear of losing a career before a pro contract is signed is a real fear for anyone. But that doesn't mean he's lazy or has work ethic issues. Maybe when he's signed that peace of mind would allow him to go all out.

My dad worked 14 to 16 hours a day for years to support us taking grave yard shift when's available. One night his coworker was severely injuried while driving home from a double-shift(dozed off driving from exhaustion). Now he can't work to support his family and on disabilities. That hit my dad hard and he cut back on his hours(thank God). But no one in their right mind would call my dad lazy.

It's so unfair how anyone can slapped this "lazy" label on a player that hasn't taken an NFL snap.
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I wouldn't say lazy but I would say he ok with taking off .
 
mussop said:
He would play the elephant in crenels system. What people keep neglecting to mention is his good friend Marcus Lattimore who was considered one of the top college RB's had his knee blown out Clowneys freshman year. He was considered by many a first round pick. He never recovered and missed out on a real career in the NFL. Seeing that first hand had to effect Clowney. That would effect anyone in that situation.

Cloak and dagger has a thread started in Texans talk that has a good read on where he would play. It also covers questions about Watt and how he will fit. Sorry hard to post links on my phone.
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Lattimore is a 49er and will have a shot to earn a lot of PT after having last season to heal from his recent blown knee.

Just thought I'd throw that out there. I've been trying to keep up with his progression. I was watching the game when he blew out his knee and was devastated for him. I'll continue to root for him. I expect him to have a good shot with Gore regressing the last season or so
 
HOU-TEX said:
Lattimore is a 49er and will have a shot to earn a lot of PT after having last season to heal from his recent blown knee.

Just thought I'd throw that out there. I've been trying to keep up with his progression. I was watching the game when he blew out his knee and was devastated for him. I'll continue to root for him. I expect him to have a good shot with Gore regressing the last season or so
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Yes he's on the 9ers but he's not the same and never will be again. He's never really recovered and last I remember he was put on IR.
 
infantrycak said:
Now that is classic excuse making. Everyone who has been in football for any length of time has seen injuries end careers or take huge setbacks like McGahee. If that was his rationale (which means both you and he are conceding he took the season off) then it speaks very poorly of his willingness to do anything he doesn't perceive as best for his wallet - "sorry, this is a sacrifice free zone."
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Now that's classic holier than thou talk. You can sit on your hi horse and act like that makes him a bad person. Truth is you don't know his situation or the intimate details of his life or his families. You act as if someone worried about their livelihood more than their teammates/team somehow makes them a lesser person.

What if he has nothing to fall back on? This is probably his best maybe his only chance to really make a difference in not only his life but his families. It's not like he was just another football player with a chance at making the nfl. He was a phenom that was considered by many good enough to be drafted straight out of high school. After his first year he was good enough to be considered a once in a generation talent. That's millions and millions of dollars at stake. He would of came out after that first year but the rules didn't allow it.

If you were in a law firm and all you had to do to make partner was not loose a case for the next couple of months. Then an important case to the firm was offered to you but was iffy whether or not you could win, would you take the case or sit back and wait for that big promotion?
 
mussop said:
Now that's classic holier than thou talk. You can sit on your hi horse and act like that makes him a bad person. Truth is you don't know his situation or the intimate details of his life or his families.
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Yeah, I am sure he is the only poor NFL prospect around (not that you know that or you would have supplied it to bolster your argument).

You act as if someone worried about their livelihood more than their teammates/team somehow makes them a lesser person.
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Yes, but more importantly lesser prospect.

You are caught between Scylla and Charybdis and this. Either he was trying and didn't produce or he went with your excuse and put himself above his team for money. There isn't a GM out there who is going to believe the latter and cavalierly dismiss it as you are. He is going to do his damnedest to convince them that is not the case (which will be lying by the way) and someone who believes him will draft him.

I've been giving the kid the benefit of the doubt on motivation due to injuries. You and steelb are talking me into holding motivation against him with this excuse making.

If you were in a law firm and all you had to do to make partner was not loose a case for the next couple of months. Then an important case to the firm was offered to you but was iffy whether or not you could win, would you take the case or sit back and wait for that big promotion?
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Not the way it works in my area and I would take the case.
 
TexansFTW said:
I know this has been briefly discussed, but I think it's mostly been glossed over. I did a search and couldn't find what I was looking for, so I'm just going to ask. Sorry if this is an already opened and closed question...

Will Clowney work in RAC's system?

I think JJ Watt and his agent are already a little worried about the hire, I would imagine, when he is getting ready to get paid. DL aren't meant to pile up numbers in RAC's system as much as they are required to occupy space and free up others to pile up numbers.

I know JJ Fight's through Double Team's fine last season, but I don't think Clowney really proved he could like Watt did last year.

The main function under RAC's system is for DL to tie up blockers so the LB's and Safeties make the plays at the throat (QB/RB/Ball Carrier). I guess I get moving Clowney to OLB maybe, but what do you do with former 1st round pick Merciless? He's effectively worthless. He can't really do anything 'good' except MAYBE pass rush so it's not like you can move him.

Sorry if this is old and already been answered with a LEGIT real answer, not just 'athletic freak can do anything, end of story'. Thanks for the help.
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If you want to see how Clowney will be used check out some old Pats/McGinest tape. The Pats had an awesome defense back then.

If Clowney runs a 4.5 or better I would expect him to be the best pure pass rusher on the team. You're right about 1 thing Mercilus is pretty much worthless. You don't keep playing somebody when they aren't very good, regarless if they were a 1st rd pick.

Ask King for his thoughts on the Mercilus pick. He called it at the time of the pick.
 
infantrycak said:
Yeah, I am sure he is the only poor NFL prospect around (not that you know that or you would have supplied it to bolster your argument).



Yes, but more importantly lesser prospect.

You are caught between Scylla and Charybdis and this. Either he was trying and didn't produce or he went with your excuse and put himself above his team for money. There isn't a GM out there who is going to believe the latter and cavalierly dismiss it as you are. He is going to do his damnedest to convince them that is not the case (which will be lying by the way) and someone who believes him will draft him.

I've been giving the kid the benefit of the doubt on motivation due to injuries. You and steelb are talking me into holding motivation against him with this excuse making.



Not the way it works in my area and I would take the case.
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Not motivation, just looking out for the welfare of his family. You would do the same? I know I would. If the difference is beteewn being a top 5 pick or possibly getting hurt and falling to a 6th rd pick like his teammate Lattimer.

BTW, Peppers had the same knocks coming out as Clowney.
 
steelbtexan said:
If you want to see how Clowney will be used check out some old Pats/McGinest tape. The Pats had an awesome defense back then.

If Clowney runs a 4.5 or better I would expect him to be the best pure pass rusher on the team. You're right about 1 thing Mercilus is pretty much worthless. You don't keep playing somebody when they aren't very good, regarless if they were a 1st rd pick.

Ask King for his thoughts on the Mercilus pick. He called it at the time of the pick.
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You may be right. Something would need to be done with Mercilus. I hated the pick at the time too. I was beating the table for Alshon Jeffery in another lesser forum around town I have since left, but that's neither here nor there.

If what Wolverine said is true that he wants no part of being a 3-4 DE then he has to be an OLB and that means that something needs to be done w/ Mercilus. What is that though? Don't get me wrong, I didn't like the pick (mainly because I wanted something else), but I'm not ready to write him off either.

I respect his talent, but I'm just unsure if he is a fit. I don't honestly see how this will work out. But as we all know, time sorts out almost all of life's mysteries. I assume this will be sorted out in due time as well, namely draft day.
 
steelbtexan said:
BTW, Peppers had the same knocks coming out as Clowney.
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Not that you guys are making up.

Peppers had Mario taking plays off knocks. As I said I was willing to overlook that or chalk it up to injury. You guys saying it was a smart decision is what I am condemning if true and that is very different.
 
So now Clowney put himself above his teammates and played not to get hurt instead of giving it his all for the team just so he could protect his draft stock?

Sounds like the guy I want on my team. With the #1 pick at that...
 
bah007 said:
So now Clowney put himself above his teammates and played not to get hurt instead of giving it his all for the team just so he could protect his draft stock?

Sounds like the guy I want on my team. With the #1 pick at that...
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Maybe financially taking care of his family was his number one priority. Maybe. Is that a guy you don't want on your team?
 
mussop said:
Same as EVERY other nfl player.
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I'm not trying to say that no NFL player ever looks out for themselves first. But you're trying to say that Clowney looking out for his draft stock over his team is a positive attribute? I disagree.
 
bah007 said:
So now Clowney put himself above his teammates and played not to get hurt instead of giving it his all for the team just so he could protect his draft stock?

Sounds like the guy I want on my team. With the #1 pick at that...
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He all but openly admitted that he was playing not to get hurt. These are his words coming back to haunt him , not he said she said.
That's why despite his ability , I'd be very reluctant to take him in the top 10 much less #1.
 
I think its slightly unfair to predict his motivation in the Pros. If he gets hurt his senior year he has zero in the bank. If he gets hurt in the NFL he has millions in guaranteed money. I dont think its fair to say that because he was worried he would get hurt while at college he played not to get hurt, so he will play not to get hurt in the NFL too.
 
Blake said:
I think its slightly unfair to predict his motivation in the Pros. If he gets hurt his senior year he has zero in the bank. If he gets hurt in the NFL he has millions in guaranteed money. I dont think its fair to say that because he was worried he would get hurt while at college he played not to get hurt, so he will play not to get hurt in the NFL too.
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In the NFL and in life you are judged moreso by your actions than your words.

If I promise you that I will be there for you, but every time you need me I am nowhere to be found, I am often viewed as the one you can't rely on.

I get every NFL player has to feed all of their families because no one else in the world ever had to, but when I am the man on top I evaluate you by what I've seen you do with my own eyes, not what I hear you tell me you are capable of.

Everyone in this thread for about 50 pages or whatever has said you HAVE to take Clowney because the #1 pick is too dangerous and valuable to take a risk on and so the decision is forced to take Clowney because of talent.

What if I told you my definition of less risky is the guy I KNOW will come early, leave late, and make solid decisions? And for what it's worth also has families that need to be taken care of.
 
From PFT.com

Texans strength and conditioning coach Craig Fitzgerald worked at South Carolina (before a stint with new Texans coach Bill O’Brien at Penn State), and Swearinger said he thought Fitzgerald knew how to reach Clowney.

“That’s somebody who kept (Clowney) straight,” Swearinger said. “That’s why I think it’d be a huge asset getting Clowney, because Fitzgerald always stayed on Clowney about everything and had him working 100 percent all the time. The work-ethic thing, I don’t think it’d be a problem.”
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Additional DJ connection noted at the chronic

D.J. Swearinger speaks regularly with Jadeveon Clowney. The duo were teammates at South Carolina and could reunite again if the Texans opt for a potential once-in-a-decade defensive end instead of selecting a new starting quarterback with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2014 NFL Draft....

....Texans general manager Rick Smith plans to speak with the second-year safety to ask about Clowney, Swearinger said. If the Texans select the 6-foot-6, 274-pound end - who hopes to break 4.40 in the 40-yard dash at next week’s draft combine in Indianapolis - the sight of 2012 NFL defensive player of the year J.J. Watt paired up with Clowney would be a defensive dream come true for Swearinger.

“Just having them two down on the D-line, it’d be unstoppable,” Swearinger said.

He added: “I’d just be yelling out, ‘Interception. Interception.’ That’s it.”

Swearinger said Clowney has an undeserved bad reputation and is an “unbelievable player.”

During their time with Gamecocks, the Texan said Clowney was a regular fixture in the weight room and did everything that was required of him.

“It’s just another J.J. Watt, but two-tenths (of a second) faster. … He has a heart for the game, he loves the game and you can’t pass that up, if you ask me,” Swearinger said.....
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“It’s just another J.J. Watt, but two-tenths (of a second) faster. ,” Swearinger said....
*****
Another JJ, but even faster. What's not to like here ?
 
who hopes to break 4.40 in the 40-yard dash at next week’s draft combine
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I took Clowney's comment to mean he would run in the 4.4s not break 4.40, i.e. run in the 4.3s.

IDEXAN said:
Another JJ, but even faster. What's not to like here ?
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Numerous issues which have been discussed at length but which you will continue to ignore and then ask this same silly question over again.
 
mussop said:
Maybe financially taking care of his family was his number one priority. Maybe. Is that a guy you don't want on your team?
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Question is, once Clowney "gets paid" and his family is taken care of, now where's his motivation? to play just well enough not to get cut?

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infantrycak said:
I took Clowney's comment to mean he would run in the 4.4s not break 4.40, i.e. run in the 4.3s.



Numerous issues which have been discussed at length but which you will continue to ignore and then ask this same silly question over again.
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If he runs a 4.5 at 274 LBS that would truly amazing to me.

I find it ironic that you were one of MW's biggest supporters but want nothing to do with Clowney.
 
ObsiWan said:
Question is, once Clowney "gets paid" and his family is taken care of, now where's his motivation? to play just well enough not to get cut?

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Swearinger doesn't seem to think this will be a problem.

If Fitzgerald and the Texans team Dr.'s (God I hope they get this one right) sign off on Clowney, then he should be the pick.
 
steelbtexan said:
If he runs a 4.5 at 274 LBS that would truly amazing to me.
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Yes it would and I said nothing different. My point was one of clarification. It looks like poor writing to me and if people are anticipating like the writer they will be disappointed.

I find it ironic that you were one of MW's biggest supporters but want nothing to do with Clowney.
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Well you took the above the wrong way so maybe your perception is skewed.

MW did not come with injury concerns. I have repeatedly stated that would keep me from considering Clowney in the top half of the 1st round which effectively means at all. Love for you to find a post where I have been critical of his play. The closest I have come is to say one gif was a poor selection of highlights and I didn't even criticize him in that play.
 
steelbtexan said:
If he runs a 4.5 at 274 LBS that would truly amazing to me.

I find it ironic that you were one of MW's biggest supporters but want nothing to do with Clowney.
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Mario's best season was his last. He didn't take plays off so "obviously" & not produce. Just like in the NFL, Mario "took plays off" & produced.

Clowney isn't my favorite prospect in this draft. But because of his size, speed, & what I see on tape I can understand a team falling in love with him. Same as Manziel.
 
infantrycak said:
Yes it would and I said nothing different. My point was one of clarification. It looks like poor writing to me and if people are anticipating like the writer they will be disappointed.



Well you took the above the wrong way so maybe your perception is skewed.

MW did not come with injury concerns. I have repeatedly stated that would keep me from considering Clowney in the top half of the 1st round which effectively means at all. Love for you to find a post where I have been critical of his play. The closest I have come is to say one gif was a poor selection of highlights and I didn't even criticize him in that play.
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Agreed

You have never criticized Clowney. In fact out of the draft craziness here you have been one of the most level headed posters. Thanks, I guess that's why you're a moderator. LOL
 
steelbtexan said:
If Fitzgerald and the Texans team Dr.'s (God I hope they get this one right) sign off on Clowney, then he should be the pick.
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With their history of absolute failure in that department .... are you really comfortable with them making that decision ?!?

Just too damn many questions come along with Clowney IMO .... health , motor , lack of tangible production (3 sacks).


Just listen to #80 .... trade the damn pick.
 
What good is a 4.4 40 if you don't have good bend around the edge? Dee Ford gets around protection in a more polished and effortless manner IMO.
 
beerlover said:
but he can't steamroll a double team in the process :fostering:
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When you look at production .... neither can Clowney. 3 sacks in an entire season speaks volumes. :fostering:

On one hand , you have measurable that are off the chart.


On the other hand you have -

A lack of production.
Injury concerns.
Character concerns.
Motor concerns.



Can you really make a guy with that many red flags the #1 overall pick ??
 
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