The Gruden video that they were referring to- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAkdOs8IxLQ
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Brian Hoyer/Ryan Mallet ?
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bah007
Hall of Fame
This lost me here:
There has never been anything to suggest this. At best it's just wishful thinking.
I have no problem with anyone who wants to paint Mallett in a positive light. He has a ton of tools. But there is a lot of reaching going on around here. Mallett very well may turn into a star. But up to this point the only positives he has shown is that he has a huge frame, a huge arm, and he was able to efficiently run Petrino's power spread offense, which has somehow been confused as being a pro style offense just because they run the ball a lot.
Does Mallett appear to have the required skills to be an elite NFL QB? Yes. Does he also show traits that suggest he could be a bust? Yes.
What a find ! Good job CND ! I love it because it fuels my dream and keeps it alive with the hopes of getting a stud veteran arm in FA or a trade and still having our #1 overall to field a team that included both JJ and Clowney, a defense that the whole league would fear. Also known as having ones cake
while consuming it.
But I love the comparison to Brady, obviously much more flattering than comparing "Big Tex" to the late Matt Schaub. Afterall, who knew that Mallet was a Brady clone ?
I do think it would be more challenging and expensive to prior Mallet out of the steely grip of Belicheck's
control, especially since the Pat's HC knows how much BOB likes his backup QB. And Brady could go down at anytime, it's happened before as we know, so delivering Mallet to the Texans may come at a higher price than the organization is prepared to pay.
Why? Belching only wanted a high second for him last year.
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Nawzer
Alienz
Texans fans seem to be in love with backup mediocre QBs. It's like they're afraid of actually drafting a franchise caliber QB. Bill O'Brien is going to draft a QB with the first pick. It's a no brainer. He's not going to go with someone else's backup QB no matter how much he likes him or draft Clowney. A DE will not win you a Super Bowl, he can certainly help, but only an elite QB will get us there.
So obviously you don't think Mallett doesn't have the ability to become a franchise QB. I've watched Mallett since high school and think he can be a franchise QB. So we will have to agree to disagree.
Goatcheese
Texan
That's about as accurate and honest of an assessment of Mallet as what we had around here from the Case fanclub.
It reads like it was written by his agent or even his mom. "He's just like Tom Brady!" isn't exactly an unbiased description of a guy who is 1 of 4 with an INT for his career.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I believe that some are reading things a little too literally. The author includes lots of the "warts" he has to overcome. But pointing out the potential. This is very little different from what we are hearing about the upcoming draft candidates.
Agreed. Nobody really means, "Just like Brady" when they say, "Just like Brady."
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Very much agree. Mallet has shown no incidents of character issues since he joined the Pats. In fact he has been extremely active in youth football activities (including the Harvard football league of disabled youth) and many community services.
BruceWayne
Practice Squad
I think its time we stop experimenting with QB trades and draft a QB; let's start with a blank canvas
Throwing 4 passes isn't a blank canvas?
Having experience in BO"B"s offense isn't a positive?
Having as much or more talent than any QB in this draft isn't good enough? Don't equate Mallett to Schaub.
It's an experiment regardless what we do. Either we'll get the emaciated Bridgewater, petite Manziel, Bortles after only two years, or a really good deal on McCarron.
None of us know what any of these guys are going to do. We need to look at all our options Ryan Mallet is an option.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Mallet was hooked up to ESPN's "Biomechanical Assessment System." His tangibles are amazing.
He's got everything this year's QB's have..... prolific, competition, big program, & the one thing none of them have, the one thing you can't teach... size.
Well, he doesn't have the wheel's Manziel or (to a lesser degree) Bridgewater have, but the trade off is size. He's not totally worthless outside the pocket...
The biggest knock on him is that he fell in the draft. I don't understand how/why he fell. But if you were to grade him next to this current batch, I can't see how he doesn't compete favorably.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I'd be cool if we traded for him..i liked him coming out..big tall kid with a cannon that seemed to know his football & he's only gotten better at all those things since he's been in the league. We also know Belichick doesn't keep guys around if he doesn't see anything in them.....This dude has managed to hang around on the patriots roster for more than a few years.
He's had time to sit & watch 1 of the best..He's been in a great organization so he knows how things need to go from the standpoint of winning...The fact that he & BoB have worked together also doesn't hurt either.
He's had time to sit & watch 1 of the best..He's been in a great organization so he knows how things need to go from the standpoint of winning...The fact that he & BoB have worked together also doesn't hurt either.
It was said he fell because of off field issues, but the only recorded mark he has against him was a PI arrest in 2009. Maybe he failed to impress in interviews which solidified his fall...however I just found this article that was pre-combine and before any team interviews, and it was already predicting he would fall:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-potential-draft-day-plunge-for-ryan-mallett/
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
He admitted to using drugs including coke.
Thats right, I just remembered that too...
Obviously that hasn't been an issue since Mallet has been in the NFL though, because I would assume with even a whiff of that behavior I am sure Belichick would have kicked his ass to the street.
This is what I heard from some people at Arkansas.
The fact that he hasn't gotten in trouble in the NFL makes the drugs and this assertion irrelevant to me.
One thing I don't like about him for sure? He has no freakin' HD cut ups or highlights...was 2010 really that long ago?
Well there's obviously not many NFL highlights to show outside of preseason (though his best regular season throw ironically was his INT, it hit visanthe shaincoe right in the chest but he dropped it and it got intercepted)
Theres plenty of him in college...not sure if they're HD though lol
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
...by us, Shiloh Keo.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
One thing I don't like about him for sure? He has no freakin' HD cut ups or highlights...was 2010 really that long ago?
Mallet college highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OurYaWeYlQw
Yeah thats nowhere HD though
. I have seen him play plenty, watched him destroy us in person at Kyle field in 2009 I believe. Just would like some nice quality highlights or cutups, its easier to notice the little things QBs do when you aren't deciphering where the brown pixel that represent the football is.Yeah thats nowhere HD though
These are a little closer up to where you can see more of the QB but you can't really see the throw with the angle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFDGBOYdCg0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjQ2hQZeeP8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHDmI2VI3qs (the best of the 3 but not very long unfortunately)
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
There is not a franchise QB in every draft. This is the evaluation which is being made. Not whether we would draft one if he is there. We cannot assume there is a franchise QB just because we have the 1-1 pick.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I love the way you put it. Many will read it as THE option.
If his pants hang off his ass..... I don't want him.
Agreed..... & we can't buy into the hype. Since we have the #1 pick & most people understand we don't have a QB, they're going to be selling these QBs as if.
We can't afford to go into next season with Case Keenum being our best chance of getting a franchise QB & when I look at Teddy Bridgewater or Johnny Manziel, I see Case Keenum. Yeah... Bridgewater played in a "pro system" last year, but so did Case Keenum.
There are differences, they're not "exactly" the same player, that's not what I'm saying. But Bridgewater appears to be closer to Case Keenum to me, than Aaron Rodgers.
With the exception of last years draft, which I think it is still too early to definitively say, there has been at least one franchise QB in every draft for the past decade besides 2007 (weakest QB draft in recent memory). So I would say the chances of there being a franchise QB in this draft are much higher than not. The problem is, selecting the right one...but all of the Big 3 (Teddy, Manziel, and Bortles) show a lot of potential and this is definitely not as weak as a QB draft as some people say.
2012-Andrew Luck, Ryan Tannehill, Nick Foles, RG3 (maybe)
2011- Cam Netwon, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick
2010-Sam Bradford
2009- Matt Stafford
2008- Matty Ryan, Joe Flacco
2007- None
2006- Jay Cutler
2005- Aaron Rodgers, Alex Smith
2004- Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Big Ben, Matt Schaub (just kidding)
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
My list of Franchise QBs looks more like this:
2012-Andrew Luck(maybe)
2011- None
2010- None
2009- None
2008- None
2007- None
2006- None
2005- Aaron Rodgers
2004- Phillip Rivers, Big Ben
Well you have a very different view of what a franchise QB is than most people...
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
That would be considered the "elite list" of QB's. The franchise list would at least have Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Matthew Stafford & Eli Manning in it. I would probably say Colin Kaepernick, RG3, Nick Foles, Russell Wilson & Cam Newton have to do a little more to get there.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
That's a reasonable perspective.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
When mallett was dropping, I felt he was worth the risk in 3rd rd. My feeling was that if you're going to have a mid line passer, at least have one who can threaten every blade of grass. As a qb prospect and ceo of the team, he has to be a guy with very few maturity issue. As much as I like mallett,he's as green as a new qb. Remember the schaub struggles even with knowledge of the offense? The yr after I wanted foles or wilson cuz I always knew schaub was good or talented enough to lead the texans anywhere. Right now, id prefer to just draft my qb.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
This would be true if this were not his last year under contract. The Patriots face some urgency to move him this year or risk losing him for nothing at the end of the season. Also, acquiring him would be for only one season. Both reduce his trade value for both the Patriots and the acquiring team.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Houston 1-1 (3000)
Browns 1-4 (1800)
Browns 3-68 (250)
Browns 3-79 (195)
Browns 2015 1st round - equivalent to pick 2014 2-48 (420)
Browns Total (2665)
It falls short of the general rule of thumb for trade equivalency. Usually the 1-1 gets a premium, not a discount. I'd ask for their 2-36 (540) as well. Maybe settle with 1-4, 2-36, 2015 #1 and just one of the thirds.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/115916/matt-cassel-ryan-mallett-qb-salaries
Continues his development is an interesting term because outside of insiders (like BOB), relative few are actually privy to what Mallet's progress is since he's got such limited real-game experience/tape as I understand it. Is now the time for BOB to "strike while the iron is hot" ?
Is OB an insider? He's been away from the Patriots since Mallet's rookie season, he hasn't seen him in practice or anything. The only thing he would have to go on is Belichick, or another current coach's assessment. Godsey (TEs)??
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I would think that Godsey would have a very good idea of how Mallet has been progressing. Obviously OB respects Godsey as an evaluator of QBs or he wouldn't have chosen him as QB coach. This whole thing could be a beautifully choreographed set of events.
New video that was posted today of Mallett's preseason last year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WWmdW4xCOA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WWmdW4xCOA
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
There's a reason those are called highlights. The first game against Philadelphia I was thinking: "Mallet's completing every pass and looks nice out there." Then I see his stat-line was 9-18 for 97 yards. He went 10-16, 117 yards & 12-20, 137 yards in the other two. I'm not critiquing his performance because you can't be subjective when none of the negatives are presented.
It's also preseason. His coaches were most likely not looking for the same things we are.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Huh? They weren't looking for a capable QB? I wasn't knocking Mallett there. I can see the positives in that video. The TD vs. NYG was a thing of beauty. However, he also had 22 incompletions and an interception that wasn't part of the video. Like I said, none of the negatives were presented.
Throwing the ball away may have been the best decision. They might have seen a good throw that his receiver dropped. So his stat line may not mean... well, I think it means next to nothing.
To me, the Preseason is about seeing how well players have taken to the system. 20% completion 8 INTs & no TDs would hold less importance to me, than why he turned in those numbers.
Is he comfortable, is in control of the huddle, the offense. Is he making the right reads, the right throws, the right non-throws. Was it a bad play, how did he handle it? Is he seeing what he needs to see & how is he handling what he sees.... even if the answers are not what I want, then it's, what is it going to take to fix it.
Did we try to fix that last week?
Is there anything we need to be doing less of, anything we need to be doing more of... bottom line, can I win with this guy?
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
I am no QB evaluator, but when I watch that a couple of things stand out to me.
He has a strong arm, stronger than anyone on our current roster for sure.
It seems he doesn't have great footwork and throws from strange angles relying on that arm strength to get the ball where it needs to be.
He has a strong arm, stronger than anyone on our current roster for sure.
It seems he doesn't have great footwork and throws from strange angles relying on that arm strength to get the ball where it needs to be.