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Blake Bortles

Corrosion said:
A healthy Schaub was a pretty good QB. Problem was his best years didn't coincide with the rest of the teams. :gun:
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This, basically.

2010 Schaub was borderline elite. That crappy D was what held him back, and then after that came his injury and his level of play just went in the opposite direction of our defense, though it took a while to notice (end of 2012 vs. NE, Minny, Indy)
 
Reggie Miller and Durant were skinny and how many games they've missed. Brady was 6'4 215 and how many games has he missed. You don't have the same body at 25 as you d at 21. I like Bortles more than any qb not named Bridegwater. He does things cutler and stafford ish that make you pause both good and bad.
 
leebigeztx said:
Reggie Miller and Durant were skinny and how many games they've missed. Brady was 6'4 215 and how many games has he missed. You don't have the same body at 25 as you d at 21. I like Bortles more than any qb not named Bridegwater. He does things cutler and stafford ish that make you pause both good and bad.
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Give me the QB with the gun. Of course my opinion is predicated off of yrs of watching Schaub play.

This is also why I've got no problem with Mallett or Mettenberger/Garrapolo
 
steelbtexan said:
Give me the QB with the gun. Of course my opinion is predicated off of yrs of watching Schaub play.

This is also why I've got no problem with Mallett or Mettenberger/Garrapolo
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Watching the pro bowl I was enamoured with Cam Newton's arm strength. It was amazing seeing him casually lofting 40 yards throws like they were nothing.

It would be great to have that threat radius but it doesn't make a great QB.....Jeff George.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Watching the pro bowl I was enamoured with Cam Newton's arm strength. It was amazing seeing him casually lofting 40 yards throws like they were nothing.

It would be great to have that threat radius but it doesn't make a great QB.....Jeff George.
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A great arm doesn't make a great QB. But a great arm + the ability to process info quickly + accuracy are great places to start.

Mallett has #1-2 in his toolbox already. Supposedly he's improved on #3. He's slow running but has the ability to get back and set up quickly. So his feet cant be all that bad.

Schaub once upon a time had #'s 2-3.
 
steelbtexan said:
A great arm doesn't make a great QB. But a great arm + the ability to process info quickly + accuracy are great places to start.

Mallett has #1-2 in his toolbox already. Supposedly he's improved on #3. He's slow running but has the ability to get back and set up quickly. So his feet cant be all that bad.

Schaub once upon a time had #'s 2-3.
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Drew Brees says a great QB is 80% intangibles.

What does that look like for Mallett?

I am open to anybody that gets us a trophy, I am cautious about giving up draft collateral on someone else's junk.
 
steelbtexan said:
A great arm doesn't make a great QB. But a great arm + the ability to process info quickly + accuracy are great places to start.

Mallett has #1-2 in his toolbox already. Supposedly he's improved on #3. He's slow running but has the ability to get back and set up quickly. So his feet cant be all that bad.

Schaub once upon a time had #'s 2-3.
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Where did you get this info from?

Bortles biggest knock is that he is missing #2.

Mallett's biggest knock is that he is also missing #2. Also his other biggest knock is exactly what you said that I put in bold.

He was projected by Mayock as a 2nd rounder when he came out WITHOUT even factoring in his drug use and being a flat out idiot.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...lett-has-massive-talent-faces-many-questions/

This is what he's done since:

4 passes with 1 interception http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14037/ryan-mallett

Just about EVERYONE balls out in preseason, especially against 2nd team units if they deserve to be a starter, but he barely completed over 50% of his passes and a 3/1 TD:INT ratio in the PRESEASON.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ryanmallett/2495443/gamelogs

Dude is a bum. I'll gladly take him on for our 4th round compensatory pick to push and rival whoever we draft, MAYBE our 4.01, but that would be really stretching it for me.

Dude has showed little improvement IMO, this coupled with his need to be paid soon, coupled with his off field antics, coupled with just being a stupid human being (from what I hear, obviously don't know him), make it really hard for me to get behind this guy.
 
TexansFTW said:
Where did you get this info from?

Bortles biggest knock is that he is missing #2.

Mallett's biggest knock is that he is also missing #2. Also his other biggest knock is exactly what you said that I put in bold.

He was projected by Mayock as a 2nd rounder when he came out WITHOUT even factoring in his drug use and being a flat out idiot.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...lett-has-massive-talent-faces-many-questions/

This is what he's done since:

4 passes with 1 interception http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14037/ryan-mallett

Just about EVERYONE balls out in preseason, especially against 2nd team units if they deserve to be a starter, but he barely completed over 50% of his passes and a 3/1 TD:INT ratio in the PRESEASON.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ryanmallett/2495443/gamelogs

Dude is a bum. I'll gladly take him on for our 4th round compensatory pick to push and rival whoever we draft, MAYBE our 4.01, but that would be really stretching it for me.

Dude has showed little improvement IMO, this coupled with his need to be paid soon, coupled with his off field antics, coupled with just being a stupid human being (from what I hear, obviously don't know him), make it really hard for me to get behind this guy.
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Thou shalt not have no other GOD before TEDDY!
 
I thought Manziel was God, Bortles was Jesus and Bridgewater was the damn devil? :shrug:
 
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oooooooh catfight!!!
 
Brooks: Bortles as No. 1 QB is a big mistake

NFL.com's Bucky Brooks believes selecting UCF's Blake Bortles as the No. 1 QB in the draft would be a big mistake.
"To me, I think there is a substantial difference between the way (Bortles) plays, and the other two guys," Brooks said. "I think he's a talented athlete, I think he has the prerequisite size you look for, but I just don't think his game is as polished as a Johnny Manziel or a Teddy Bridgewater." We believe there is a strong chance Houston makes this "mistake" a reality.
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Brooks: Bortles as No. 1 QB is a big mistake
"To me, I think there is a substantial difference between the way (Bortles) plays, and the other two guys," Brooks said. "I think he's a talented athlete, I think he has the prerequisite size you look for, but I just don't think his game is as polished as a Johnny Manziel or a Teddy Bridgewater." We believe there is a strong chance Houston makes this "mistake" a reality.
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NFL.com's Bucky Brooks believes selecting UCF's Blake Bortles as the No. 1 QB in the draft would be a big mistake.
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I think drafting any of them 1-1 could be a big mistake. I don't think Bridgewater is as "polished" as people say. I can't believe anyone would describe Manziel's game as "polished." So yeah, Bortles has the most to learn, but he's got the one thing you can't teach...

Well Manziel has speed, but we're talking about QBs. Bortles' size makes him as legit as the other two.... jmo
 
I was not impressed by bortles from what I watched of him. Lots if wide open guys, clean pockets one on one coverage and his throws mostly seemed behind his receivers. He can chunk it deep, but he didn't lead receivers well. I see a big guy, physical, good arm strength but I just don't know how he reads defenses when he has pressure consistently or when he has tighter more confusing coverage in the secondary.

Every time I watch bridgewater I'm in awe of him as a qb. The way he leads guys, his movement in the pocket, the pump fakes, the way he appears to have total control of the offense, his mobility to escape and get yards at times, making completions in coverage, throwing guys open.

When I see manziel I see a guy that needs to be tamed. Doesn't look like he's making many reads. If it's not there he starts running around. I like the zip on his passes, I like his creativity but I think he relies on that too much. Throws from awkward positions even when he doesn't have to. I'm not as worried about his size. I like the flare and spark he'd bring. The notoriety.

For it's teddy, with manziel As a close second based on what he could become. But I wouldn't be pissed with any if them. I'd be pumped with tb, excited in a flashing lights kind of way with manziel and I'd be ok, not thrilled with bortles and hoping ob could mold him.
 
_King_ said:
I was not impressed by bortles from what I watched of him. Lots if wide open guys, clean pockets one on one coverage and his throws mostly seemed behind his receivers. He can chunk it deep, but he didn't lead receivers well. I see a big guy, physical, good arm strength but I just don't know how he reads defenses when he has pressure consistently or when he has tighter more confusing coverage in the secondary.

Every time I watch bridgewater I'm in awe of him as a qb. The way he leads guys, his movement in the pocket, the pump fakes, the way he appears to have total control of the offense, his mobility to escape and get yards at times, making completions in coverage, throwing guys open.

When I see manziel I see a guy that needs to be tamed. Doesn't look like he's making many reads. If it's not there he starts running around. I like the zip on his passes, I like his creativity but I think he relies on that too much. Throws from awkward positions even when he doesn't have to. I'm not as worried about his size. I like the flare and spark he'd bring. The notoriety.

For it's teddy, with manziel As a close second based on what he could become. But I wouldn't be pissed with any if them. I'd be pumped with tb, excited in a flashing lights kind of way with manziel and I'd be ok, not thrilled with bortles and hoping ob could mold him.
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I agree. Teddy seems to excel at the decision making and poise in the pocket. Which to me matters so much more than physical traits and gifts. His style of play is conducive to the Nfl, which I think is the advantage over Johnny. Johnny's style of play is not directly reproducible in the NFL especially at his size. He will get hit too much, be not nearly elusive with better defenders, and put the ball in harms way too much as a gunslinger. He will have to adjust, the offense must suit. Not saying he can't do it but it's definitely a risk. But I still like Johnny's decision making just not as much as Teddy's.

I want no part of Bortles. Size and strength mean nothing if you are prone to make bad decisions. See Jay cutler. He is too much of a risk to me, because he has not demonstrated that he will be able make the right decisions enough of the time. We have seen it time again, decision making with pressure is a talent or gift that can be developed but not taught. You have to be born with it. Bortles is a risk because he has not demonstrated to my liking. I really hope this shows in the game film.
 
I have a feeling Bortles is on OBs radar more than Manziel or Bridgewater :( looking at the QBs he has had and coached up Bortles is the same fit.
 
revan said:
I have a feeling Bortles is on OBs radar more than Manziel or Bridgewater :( looking at the QBs he has had and coached up Bortles is the same fit.
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Makes perfectly good sense.There is nothing about Johnny Manziel or Teddy Bridgewater that says Bill O'Brien.
 
Johnny football maybe, but Bridgewater would fit in any system. I'm starting to think Bortles is media hype. He may prove to impress with the work outs, but I'm not buying this groundswell of acclaim from no where. Too many analyst falling in love with his size because the other guys are small.
 
jradMIT said:
Johnny football maybe, but Bridgewater would fit in any system. I'm starting to think Bortles is media hype. He may prove to impress with the work outs, but I'm not buying this groundswell of acclaim from no where. Too many analyst falling in love with his size because the other guys are small.
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Maybe to someone that hasn't been paying attention. He gained more notoriety every game. By the end of the year most hardcore draftniks, fans and mouthpieces already knew what they are saying now.
 
Blake Bortles the next Andrew Luck? QB guru sees similarities

“I think it’s the intangibles,” Clarkson said. “I never see him get rattled. That’s the one thing. The most impressive thing I remember about Andrew Luck in college was the game against USC when he threw the pick-six. Any other guy it would’ve demoralized him, but he shrugged it off like it never happened. Then he ends up leading his team on a touchdown drive thereafter.

“When I look at Blake I see a lot of those intangibles. I’m really big on that. The ‘it’ factor; the things that you can’t coach. You put a guy out there when the chips are down and you can rely on his cool, calm and collectiveness to get the job done and rally his teammates behind him. That goes a long way. [Bortles] clearly displayed that over the course of the last season.”

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...-andrew-luck-qb-guru-sees-similarities-020514
 
The hype machine is in full effect now. Come on now, he is the next Luck? One of the best prospects ever? Based on intangibles no less? Its getting pretty laughable.
 
jradMIT said:
The hype machine is in full effect now. Come on now, he is the next Luck? One of the best prospects ever? Based on intangibles no less? Its getting pretty laughable.
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Nothing says a Bill O'Brien QB like 6'4" 230 lb BLAKE BORTLES as 6'4" 220 lb CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG!
 
jradMIT said:
The hype machine is in full effect now. Come on now, he is the next Luck? One of the best prospects ever? Based on intangibles no less? Its getting pretty laughable.
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Clearly you didn't see the 4 games this year where in his team's last possession he delivered 4 GAME WINNING DRIVES. If you had you wouldn't be making such comments nor would you be laughing.
 
So Clarkson is a credible source? The same guy who charges exhorbitant amount of money to 'turn kids into stars' ? Lol. Hmmm Bortles comes from an affluent family so it does kinda make sense. A quick google on this snake venom salesman should provide some good wholesome entertainment.

Brooks, king, kiper, Mayock not credible.

Steve Clarkson is a guru. Lmao.
 
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Texian said:
Clearly you didn't see the 4 games this year where in his team's last possession he delivered 4 GAME WINNING DRIVES. If you had you wouldn't be making such comments nor would you be laughing.
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He is probably the greatest player of all time . :wadepalm:
 
Uncle Rico said:
So Clarkson is a credible source? The same guy who charges exhorbitant amount of money to 'turn kids into stars' ? Lol. Hmmm Bortles comes from an affluent family so it does kinda make sense. A quick google on this snake venom salesman should provide some good wholesome entertainment.

Brooks, king, kiper, Mayock not credible.

Steve Clarkson is a guru. Lmao.
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I don't think it would really matter who it was, if they had something positive to say about Bortles, you would find fault with that person. Your batting 1000 % so far.
 
Texian said:
I don't think it would really matter who it was, if they had something positive to say about Bortles, you would find fault with that person. Your batting 1000 % so far.
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I'll take the word of ex players and real analysts before a money hungry CFL washout anyday. I also won't throw a tantrum when someone is critical of "my guy".

Objectivity has long been lost around here. You yourself are as guilty as the next guy. We all have our bets placed, time will tell which horse wins.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Objectivity has long been lost around here. You yourself are as guilty as the next guy. We all have our bets placed, time will tell which horse wins.
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95% of the loss of objectivity "around here" is due to the conduct and bickering of a cadre of folks who are new "around here."

I was here for the great cataclysm of the Vince Young debate and that looked like a conference of Vulcans in comparison.
 
infantrycak said:
95% of the loss of objectivity "around here" is due to the conduct and bickering of a cadre of folks who are new "around here."

I was here for the great cataclysm of the Vince Young debate and that looked like a conference of Vulcans in comparison.
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After a time, you may find that having Bortles is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.
 
TexansFTW said:
Where did you get this info from?

Bortles biggest knock is that he is missing #2.

Mallett's biggest knock is that he is also missing #2. Also his other biggest knock is exactly what you said that I put in bold.

He was projected by Mayock as a 2nd rounder when he came out WITHOUT even factoring in his drug use and being a flat out idiot.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...lett-has-massive-talent-faces-many-questions/

This is what he's done since:

4 passes with 1 interception http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14037/ryan-mallett

Just about EVERYONE balls out in preseason, especially against 2nd team units if they deserve to be a starter, but he barely completed over 50% of his passes and a 3/1 TD:INT ratio in the PRESEASON.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ryanmallett/2495443/gamelogs

Dude is a bum. I'll gladly take him on for our 4th round compensatory pick to push and rival whoever we draft, MAYBE our 4.01, but that would be really stretching it for me.

Dude has showed little improvement IMO, this coupled with his need to be paid soon, coupled with his off field antics, coupled with just being a stupid human being (from what I hear, obviously don't know him), make it really hard for me to get behind this guy.
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Lets just say I trust BO'B's views on QB play more than yours. Your tearing down of all other QB's not named TB is amusing. Mallett may or may not become the Texans QB. But, yes he proved at Arkansas he can process info quickly. (Far from being a bum.) We don't know how much Mallet has progressed, he plays behind a GOAT. But Godsey/O'Brien have a good idea of Mallett's progression.


I realy don't care who the next QB of the Texans is, but I do want the trenches fixed. (Finally) I'm really looking forward to your reaction IF BO'B passes on TB. In a way I hope he trades for Mallett just to get to see your reaction to your HC disagreeing with your eval of that bum Mallett. (That would be true comedy)
 
infantrycak said:
95% of the loss of objectivity "around here" is due to the conduct and bickering of a cadre of folks who are new "around here."

I was here for the great cataclysm of the Vince Young debate and that looked like a conference of Vulcans in comparison.
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MSR
 
infantrycak said:
95% of the loss of objectivity "around here" is due to the conduct and bickering of a cadre of folks who are new "around here."
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This is hardly true, my first posts on this forum were met with nothing but hostility and insults from folk who have been "around here" for a good while.

It's the internet, people bicker, insult, and act like hooligans...no matter how long they have "been around". Also, its a series of tubes. :spin:
 
What gets me is Tex and Mussop seem to be able to find good things to say about the other QB's. I think they like pulling the TB fans chains a little bit.

To some of the TB fans/worshipers, no other QB's can have good qualities. They're all bums. The TB fans cant admit that not only are the top 3 QB's close in talent. But other QB's later in the draft have just as much potential as TB.

I'm not really high on any of the QB's in this draft. But I will say I like Smith and Murray at 3-1 much more than TB/JM/BB at 1-1. I doubt many of the TB guys have ever seen Brett Smith play or watched any film on him.
 
matts290 said:
This is hardly true, my first posts on this forum were met with nothing but hostility and insults from folk who have been "around here" for a good while.

It's the internet, people bicker, insult, and act like hooligans...no matter how long they have "been around". Also, its a series of tubes. :spin:
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If I was this guy I truly apologize.
 
steelbtexan said:
To some of the TB fans/worshipers, no other QB's can have good qualities. They're all bums. The TB fans cant admit that not only are the top 3 QB's close in talent. But other QB's later in the draft have just as much potential as TB.
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I'm a "TB fan" but I also really like Johnny and Blake too, just like Teddy a little more at this point but there are still some questions I would like answered that won't be until later this month. But to say QB's later in the draft have just as much potential as Teddy at this juncture is wrong in my eyes...but I really don't like any of the guys after the big 3.

Teddy, Manziel, and Blake are in a class of their own at this point, and no QB measures up to them as prospects...hence why they are all three in industry wide discussion for the first overall pick; while guys like McCarron and Garoppolo are second day guys.
 
matts290 said:
This is hardly true, my first posts on this forum were met with nothing but hostility and insults from folk who have been "around here" for a good while.
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The response to your first post does not bear you out:

mussop said:
I guess it would of been better IYO if he had just thrown an incomplete pass. Dam him for turning nothing into something.
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bah007 said:
I think matts290 is right on this one. When I watch that play, Labhart looks open the whole time. In the NFL, Manziel takes a sack on that play, because he should have seen Labhart much sooner.
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drs23 said:
That's not at all what I got from 290's post. He pointed out 2 very viable options that Manziel had from the git go instead decided to go all circus, hop over a downed lineman, run into another one's butt then run around before getting rid of the ball. That kinda stuff just ain't gonna fly in the Big Boy League.
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bOODRO87 said:
That's what you got out of that?
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Anyway, the comment was not directed at all newcomers and I would have thought the 95% was rather obvious hyperbole.
 
infantrycak said:
The response to your first post does not bear you out:
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Notice how I said posts, the plural tense of the word...meaning I was referring to many of my early posts and not just my first one.

My point was the internet is full of meanies regardless of how long you have been registered.
 
matts290 said:
Notice how I said posts, the plural tense of the word...meaning I was referring to many of my early posts and not just my first one.

My point was the internet is full of meanies regardless of how long you have been registered.
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Not interested in a tit for tat on this kind of thing. And generalities without specific knowledge don't trump specific knowledge. As I said above, the comment was not directed at ALL newcomers nor did it exclude misconduct by longer term members.

Have a good one.
 
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