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O’Brien Explains What Type Of Quarterback He Wants

Everyone seems concentrated on what type of QB OB is going to want. My concern at this point in time is what he intends to do about the OL scheme and personnel. Seems like all the top teams/QBs are playing with strong OL. It does no good to have a QB that spends most of his time watching from the sidelines. My concern is that our OL be the protective equivalent of a condom that is unlikely to ever break. OB's curious and weak choice of Dunn as the OL "supervisor" now worries me that we will have someone potentially saboutaging our best condoms money can buy, by poking them with pins.

I'm with you on this big time. Build the trenches up. Even if that means you're only competitive. Everyone will be aware of the fact that you're simply a QB away from being dominant. That will mean going 6-10 to 8-8 maybe even 9-7 with very close losses even against the dominant/elite teams, perhaps even sprinkling in an upset here or there. If and when you do land a stud or very good QB, you're ready to tango with the best of them.

Look back at the now powerhouse teams that earlier in the 2000s had pretty good defenses along with impressive O-lines. They were competitive. Insert a Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco....instant contenders. Fast forward to recent years, insert Wilson into a very Steelers/Ravensish type situation and look what you have. 49ers and most recently the Chiefs, it seemed, were primed with stacked talent and only a competent coach away from becoming a contender.

You then have times where you nab/acquire a QB that is so good he makes up for areas that are seriously lacking, ala Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck....but this example is more like hitting the lottery so it's best to build the team and especially the trenches that yield better chances of becoming dominant by landing a very good but not great QB to compliment the overall team.
 
610 interviewed Theisman re. the Texans QB draft situation. He essentially stated that he felt that there is no one out there that would be worth taking as a first...

Trade down or 1-1 or trading back into the end of the first I think we secure our QB in the first round. Who that guy is dictates how we get him. And I don't think they're set on any one guy at this time. We've got 97 days.

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Everyone seems concentrated on what type of QB OB is going to want. My concern at this point in time is what he intends to do about the OL scheme and personnel. Seems like all the top teams/QBs are playing with strong OL. It does no good to have a QB that spends most of his time watching from the sidelines. My concern is that our OL be the protective equivalent of a condom that is unlikely to ever break. OB's curious and weak choice of Dunn as the OL "supervisor" now worries me that we will have someone potentially saboutaging our best condoms money can buy, by poking them with pins.
Until we release some current contracts and free up cap space, we have limited resources to sign FA's. We have only seven draft picks and #6 & #7 are always questionable as to immediate impact; #5 is borderline. So that leaves four draft picks to address all the question marks on offense and defense. This is my concern.
 
610 interviewed Theisman re. the Texans QB draft situation. He essentially stated that he felt that there is no one out there that would be worth taking as a first. He commented that Schaub has taken this team as far as he will ever be able to do. He said that he felt that Keenum given a fair shake and under the tutelage of the new regime would give the Texans the best option for success.
Unfortunately because of league rules, OB will be unable to see what Keenum has with on field time. His assessment will need to be made with film study and classroom time with Keenum. I'm on record with my opinion that, if this predraft assessment is positive, then this is our best case scenario, allowing us to trade down for extra picks, addressing my concern expressed in my post a few moments ago.
 
Unfortunately because of league rules, OB will be unable to see what Keenum has with on field time. His assessment will need to be made with film study and classroom time with Keenum. I'm on record with my opinion that, if this predraft assessment is positive, then this is our best case scenario, allowing us to trade down for extra picks, addressing my concern expressed in my post a few moments ago.

What league rules are you referring to?
 
What league rules are you referring to?
Last week I found that the league has rules and dates proscribing when teams may practice, whether in shorts or pads, etc. How far coaches can go circumventing these, is up to interpretation. But "team activities" are restricted to the dates below. My interpretation is that the April 15 date refers to "strength, conditioning and physical rehabilitation". The start of on field activities begin after the draft on May 8-10.

This is for 2013, but 2014 will be similar: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000155146/article/nfl-announces-dates-for-offseason-workouts

Following is the NFL Offseason Workout Program calendar for 2013. Voluntary offseason workout programs are intended to provide training, teaching and physical conditioning for players.

As per Article 21 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, each club's official, voluntary nine-week offseason program is conducted in three phases:

Phase One consists of the first two weeks of the program with activities limited to strength and conditioning and physical rehabilitation only.

Phase Two consists of the next three weeks of the program. On-field workouts may include individual player instruction and drills as well as team practice conducted on a "separates" basis. No live contact or team offense vs. team defense drills are permitted.

Phase Three consists of the next four weeks of the program. Teams may conduct a total of 10 days of organized team practice activity, or "OTAs". No live contact is permitted, but 7-on-7, 9-on-7, and 11-on-11 drills are permissible.

Article 22 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement stipulates that clubs may hold one mandatory minicamp for veteran players. This minicamp, noted below, must occur during Phase Three of the offseason program. Head coaches hired after the end of the 2012 season are also entitled to conduct an additional voluntary veteran minicamp.

Each club may hold a rookie football development program for a period of seven weeks, which in 2013 may begin on May 13. During this period, no activities may be held on weekends, with the exception of one post-NFL Draft rookie minicamp, which may be conducted on either the first or second weekend following the draft.

For specific information and detailed offseason program rules, please see Articles 21 and 22 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement (beginning on page 131), available on nflmedia.com and nflcommunications.com.

Dates are tentative and subject to change:

Houston Texans: First day - April 15; Organized team activities - May 20, 21, 23, 28-30, June 3-6; Minicamps - June 11-13; Rookie minicamps - May 10-12
 
I'm with you on this big time. Build the trenches up. Even if that means you're only competitive. Everyone will be aware of the fact that you're simply a QB away from being dominant. That will mean going 6-10 to 8-8 maybe even 9-7 with very close losses even against the dominant/elite teams, perhaps even sprinkling in an upset here or there. If and when you do land a stud or very good QB, you're ready to tango with the best of them.

Look back at the now powerhouse teams that earlier in the 2000s had pretty good defenses along with impressive O-lines. They were competitive. Insert a Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco....instant contenders. Fast forward to recent years, insert Wilson into a very Steelers/Ravensish type situation and look what you have. 49ers and most recently the Chiefs, it seemed, were primed with stacked talent and only a competent coach away from becoming a contender.

You then have times where you nab/acquire a QB that is so good he makes up for areas that are seriously lacking, ala Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck....but this example is more like hitting the lottery so it's best to build the team and especially the trenches that yield better chances of becoming dominant by landing a very good but not great QB to compliment the overall team.
while I agree with building trenches, if you don't take QB when he is there you don't know when you will land another. Same with my wanting JuWaun James second day but if I wait until 3rd and he goes late second....depends on the risks you are willing to take.

Also, if you wait until 2015 to get QB, you still could miss unless 1-3. Winston is hot now but will he be next season? Will he return to school?
 
Until we release some current contracts and free up cap space, we have limited resources to sign FA's. We have only seven draft picks and #6 & #7 are always questionable as to immediate impact; #5 is borderline. So that leaves four draft picks to address all the question marks on offense and defense. This is my concern.
QB, ILB, Nose and replacement for Ninja is pretty good. If Reed can switch to ILB we then draft OLB. Four starters would be very solid day one. If we trade down we could add a couple more starters/depth and that is just trading down 1-1. We could also trade down in second and third getting additional picks those two rounds.
 
Last week I found that the league has rules and dates proscribing when teams may practice, whether in shorts or pads, etc....

Thought that was where you were going.

I don't see that as a significant impediment to OB forming an opinion. He'll have far more than he will in evaluating college QBs (or for that matter potential NFL FAs or trade acquisitions) - actual NFL film and a load of Texans practices when he was preparing to start (the Texans film all practices).
 
QB, ILB, Nose and replacement for Ninja is pretty good. If Reed can switch to ILB we then draft OLB. Four starters would be very solid day one. If we trade down we could add a couple more starters/depth and that is just trading down 1-1. We could also trade down in second and third getting additional picks those two rounds.
I agree with your priorities, but I'd like to add an OL'man. I'd also like to add an OLB with real speed in addition to an ILB. I'm liking Barr more and more with our first pick, to pair with Skov on the inside. So I have six priorities rather than four. And we will sign at least one FA. If we go with a QB with the first pick, I believe next season will be interesting but we'll still have holes. I'd expect somewhere about 7-9 or 8-8, with Bridgewater. Less with Bortles. And I agree with trading down in lower rounds. That 2-1 pick to begin the second day will be a valuable trade option.

I'd like Keenum's pre-draft assessment to be positive, but otherwise, the best fit for OB's offense, for immediate impact, would be Bridgewater.
 
I agree with your priorities, but I'd like to add an OL'man. I'd also like to add an OLB with real speed in addition to an ILB. I'm liking Barr more and more with our first pick, to pair with Skov on the inside. So I have six priorities rather than four. And we will sign at least one FA. If we go with a QB with the first pick, I believe next season will be interesting but we'll still have holes. I'd expect somewhere about 7-9 or 8-8, with Bridgewater. Less with Bortles. And I agree with trading down in lower rounds. That 2-1 pick to begin the second day will be a valuable trade option.

I'd like Keenum's pre-draft assessment to be positive, but otherwise, the best fit for OB's offense, for immediate impact, would be Bridgewater.

yeah in my mock I have an OT/QB/DE in 2nd /3rd and 4th. My NT and an OLB/ILB in 5th. All start day one but I think a trade down happens.
 
while I agree with building trenches, if you don't take QB when he is there you don't know when you will land another. Same with my wanting JuWaun James second day but if I wait until 3rd and he goes late second....depends on the risks you are willing to take.

Also, if you wait until 2015 to get QB, you still could miss unless 1-3. Winston is hot now but will he be next season? Will he return to school?

I hear ya. But I'm in no way saying to pass on anyone whom OB deems worthy to have as a franchise QB. I'm simply saying that, due to how senstive the QB position is....with it at times setting you back decades before you have THAT QB (even if only a Flacco/Roethlisber/Eli calibur), the former of the two (building team and later adding pretty good QB Vs. finding an Elway/Marino/Manning/Luck prospect) is an easier, albeit still very tough, formula.
 
I hear ya. But I'm in no way saying to pass on anyone whom OB deems worthy to have as a franchise QB. I'm simply saying that, due to how senstive the QB position is....with it at times setting you back decades before you have THAT QB (even if only a Flacco/Roethlisber/Eli calibur), the former of the two (building team and later adding pretty good QB Vs. finding an Elway/Marino/Manning/Luck prospect) is an easier, albeit still very tough, formula.
Understand but I think it would help if we would stop thinking we can get a type Q that you identify. We don't have to have one to be successful and there is none available anyway. I want a solid one that can man the position 4-5 years as fill as many other positions in 2014 with quality.
 
What if, just what if, O'Brien throws everyone a curve-ball and makes Yates the 2014 starter?
If we pick a QB 1-1, that player will start. He will not have earned the right to start. If anyone else starts, it will be because he will have earned it with his off-season preparation and production in the minicamps and training camp. We as fans should see this, as well, as the preseason develops.
 
Already claimed that one. I think it could happen.

If you believe that Schaub was always dealing with injuries, try to remember that Yates has proven to be quite fragile dating back to 2011.........dealing with shoulder problems (including a separation on one side), and throwing elbow and back problems since 2012.......and most of this after very little game play and very sparse practice time. There was good reason why Yates was given such little consideration for real game time after the 2011 season.......and did so poorly in his very limited 2012 and 2013 game appearances And there is no reason to believe that these type of mounting problems won't continue their course, and his performance continue to be unacceptable.

[This is not to even mention his Tar Heels experience where he was stricken with ankle sprains, ankle fracture, throwing shoulder problems leading to surgery, and, of course, his infamous thumb sprain incurred while playing Frisbee. The latter made national news due to the panzy-sounding event. He later tried to explain that he incurred it with a redshirt teammate in a informal non-contact "redshirt football" activity (which would be bad enough).]
 
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...try to remember that Yates has... shoulder problems (including a separation on one side), and throwing elbow and back problems since 2012... ankle sprains, ankle fracture, throwing shoulder problems leading to surgery, and, of course, his infamous thumb sprain incurred while playing Frisbee...

Well, eff the TJ Yates idea...

Looks like we're drafting!!! [IMGwidthsize=40]http://www.emofaces.nl/png/200/emoticons/biggrin.png[/IMG]
 
If you believe that Schaub was always dealing with injuries, try to remember that Yates has proven to be quite fragile dating back to 2011.........dealing with shoulder problems (including a separation on one side), and throwing elbow and back problems since 2012.......and most of this after very little game play and very sparse practice time. There was good reason why Yates was given such little consideration for real game time after the 2011 season.......and did so poorly in his very limited 2012 and 2013 game appearances And there is no reason to believe that these type of mounting problems won't continue their course, and his performance continue to be unacceptable.

[This is not to even mention his Tar Heels experience where he was stricken with ankle sprains, ankle fracture, throwing shoulder problems leading to surgery, and, of course, his infamous thumb sprain incurred while playing Frisbee. The latter made national news due to the panzy-sounding event. He later tried to explain that he incurred it with a redshirt teammate in a informal non-contact "redshirt football" activity (which would be bad enough).]
GeezUs!! Is there a photo of Yates in the dictionary next to the term "injury prone"?

I mean FRISBEE for cripes sakes!!
Was it full contact or flag frisbee?
:wadepalm:
 
GeezUs!! Is there a photo of Yates in the dictionary next to the term "injury prone"?

I mean FRISBEE for cripes sakes!!
Was it full contact or flag frisbee?
:wadepalm:

Sadly, it was frisbee golf. Wicked carom off an oak he didn't see guarding the basket.
 
Our next guy needs to work like this guy. I don't recall anyone describing a Texan QB's work habits like this...

"If you drop a pass, he'll try to settle you and say, 'You have to make that play, you have to make that play,'" said Dreessen, who signed with the Denver Broncos in 2012. "It's not like he's trying to embarrass you or make you feel like crap. There was one time, I dropped a pass. It was in Mile High, a regular-season game. The sun was in my eyes and I couldn't see it and I couldn't bring in the ball. He yelled at me and I said, 'Man, I can't see.' The whole next week at practice, he was giving me grief for the sun being in my eyes. Basically, it was like, 'You have to learn to catch the ball even when the sun is in your eyes.

"When we miss a throw in practice, you can expect to stay after to do it again, even if it's just on air. He wants to walk off the field feeling good about every play.

"On game day, he's pretty serious. He doesn't joke in the huddle or on the sideline. He'll joke around in meetings at times, but I can't think of any game day where he did. Actually, I remember one game where he smiled. It was the opener [Manning's seven-touchdown performance]. I was inactive because I was hurt. He had just thrown touchdown No. 5 against the Ravens and I greeted him on the sideline. I said, 'Five touchdowns?!' He was smiling a little and, under his breath, he said, 'There might be more.' He was right.

"He's a machine. It makes you feel like, if you're in another offense or have another quarterback, you're beating your head against the wall because they can't do what he does as far as getting us in the best play every time. Really, he's like a scientist, except he's 6-foot-5 and he throws the ball amazingly accurate.

"He's going to put it most of the time where you -- and only you -- can catch it. When I first got here, I was frustrated because if I was wide open, most quarterbacks would put the ball right on me. But he's going to keep leading you so you can run underneath it and have more room to run after the catch, keeping it further away from the defender. It's a very catchable ball, a very accurate ball. Even when it's not, he expects you to catch it.

"You definitely want to match his work ethic and preparation. It kind of gets to be a competition: Who can know more about the opponent than Peyton? Who can know the offense better than Peyton? He'll go around the room and quiz guys about their assignments on particular plays. It happens all the time. He makes sure you're on top of it. He really does raise the expectation level at every position. Same with the coaches. He wants information from the coaches. Before he starts his preparation, he wants breakdowns and statistics. It's not just the players he raises up, it's the coaches, too.

"I always come in on Tuesday [our day off] to do some weight lifting. By the time I leave around lunch time, he's coming in early to get a jump-start with the coaches on the game plan. His day off is really not a day off. He truly honors all six months of the season. He takes a few hours off here and there, but I've never seen him take a full day off.

"Honestly, I can say he's not preparing any different for this game than he would a preseason game. I kid you not. Every game is important. To say he's preparing harder for the Super Bowl would be an insult because that would suggest he wasn't preparting as hard as he could for the other games.

"Some day, if I'm telling my grandchildren about Peyton Manning, I'd probably describe how gifted a person he is as far as his intelligence and his technique and his accuracy. I'd describe those things and add to it his work ethic. He's gifted, but he worked at it."
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/35138/ex-jet-tells-what-its-like-in-peytons-huddle
 
I'm with you on this big time. Build the trenches up. Even if that means you're only competitive. Everyone will be aware of the fact that you're simply a QB away from being dominant. That will mean going 6-10 to 8-8 maybe even 9-7 with very close losses even against the dominant/elite teams, perhaps even sprinkling in an upset here or there. If and when you do land a stud or very good QB, you're ready to tango with the best of them.

Look back at the now powerhouse teams that earlier in the 2000s had pretty good defenses along with impressive O-lines. They were competitive. Insert a Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco....instant contenders. Fast forward to recent years, insert Wilson into a very Steelers/Ravensish type situation and look what you have. 49ers and most recently the Chiefs, it seemed, were primed with stacked talent and only a competent coach away from becoming a contender.

You then have times where you nab/acquire a QB that is so good he makes up for areas that are seriously lacking, ala Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck....but this example is more like hitting the lottery so it's best to build the team and especially the trenches that yield better chances of becoming dominant by landing a very good but not great QB to compliment the overall team.

If the Texans came out of this draft with

Rd.1 Clowney
Rd.2 Nix
Rd.3 Bitonio
Rd.4 Brandon Thomas

Then pick RB/DB's after that I will be a happy man. Hopefully BoB learned that you have to fix the trenches 1st and foremost.
 
Do we have to say QB wood? Is there a less uncomfortable term we can use amongst manly men to describe an affinity for a particular player? :kitten:

I'm waiting on the east coast press to descend even as I type in search of the first out of the closet NFL Gay Icon to go giddy over. As soon as it happens, they'll immediately get enshrined into the HOF without even playing a down and his number will HAVE to be retired or you will be homophobic.

Letting the "Wood" cat out of the bag should be sufficient for the coronation.

I'm now waiting for the Golfing Wood to come out so he can get a little more accolades and everybody can forget the rest of the story of the last six years.
 
Unfortunately because of league rules, OB will be unable to see what Keenum has with on field time. His assessment will need to be made with film study and classroom time with Keenum. I'm on record with my opinion that, if this predraft assessment is positive, then this is our best case scenario, allowing us to trade down for extra picks, addressing my concern expressed in my post a few moments ago.

Good post since it matches my thoughts. Now prepare for the onslaught.
 
Maybe he's been scouting the 'Hefty Lefty", who's playing for the Northern Kentucky River Monsters.

Y'all remember Jared Lorenzen

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After watching the SB, I came away convinced as ever that in the NFL, without an OL capable of protecting the QB, even an elite QB like Manning will be made to look pathetic. Manning was made to look as ugly as Keenum.......even worse, because Manning looked "planted"....like he was just pleading to be watered.
 
After watching the SB, I came away convinced as ever that in the NFL, without an OL capable of protecting the QB, even an elite QB like Manning will be made to look pathetic. Manning was made to look as ugly as Keenum.......even worse, because Manning looked "planted"....like he was just pleading to be watered.

They had a compilation on NFLN of hits and hurries that Manning faced on Sunday, and it was brutal. He was getting pressure from all sides throughout the game. It looked like he was even anticipating phantom pressure at times. And with the way the Seahawks were covering receivers, taking away the long stuff and hitting anyone that caught the ball with a force of a locomotive, I am once again convinced in the belief of building trenches and defense as priorities for a championship caliber team.
 
They had a compilation on NFLN of hits and hurries that Manning faced on Sunday, and it was brutal. He was getting pressure from all sides throughout the game. It looked like he was even anticipating phantom pressure at times. And with the way the Seahawks were covering receivers, taking away the long stuff and hitting anyone that caught the ball with a force of a locomotive, I am once again convinced in the belief of building trenches and defense as priorities for a championship caliber team.

Throwing short so often to an aggressive defense was suicide.

Kill the body and the head will die.
 
Throwing short so often to an aggressive defense was suicide.

Kill the body and the head will die.

In one of the post game interviews, one member of the Seahawks secondary revealed the game plan was to give the Broncos those short crossing routes but to knock the hell out of them when they caught it. I doubt there was much YAC (yards after catch) for the Broncos in that game. The receivers were looking for the hit as soon as they caught the ball (and maybe even before they caught it).

It was a pretty amazing defensive performance, all things considered.
 
They had a compilation on NFLN of hits and hurries that Manning faced on Sunday, and it was brutal. He was getting pressure from all sides throughout the game. It looked like he was even anticipating phantom pressure at times. And with the way the Seahawks were covering receivers, taking away the long stuff and hitting anyone that caught the ball with a force of a locomotive, I am once again convinced in the belief of building trenches and defense as priorities for a championship caliber team.

You are not incorrect in terms a great defense being key to a championship, but the window in salary cap football is really short. of all the great defenses, starting with the bears, the teams only won once and too often were not real contenders. Its way harder and lasts three or fours years on the long end.
 
You are not incorrect in terms a great defense being key to a championship, but the window in salary cap football is really short. of all the great defenses, starting with the bears, the teams only won once and too often were not real contenders. Its way harder and lasts three or fours years on the long end.

Good post.
 
Sounds like Cassel's bailing. O'Brien was the OC when Cassel filled in for Brady when he went down. He was also Crennel's QB in KC.

I don't think he's the answer, but could be a decent stop gap until the rook is ready. Clowney at 1, QB in the 2nd

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Sorry, didn't read 7 pages but

Guys he worked with recently

Christian Hackenberg: Big kid. Big arm. Pocket guy

Tom Brady: Big guy. Big arm. Pocket guy

Sorry, I just think he will lean to Bridgewater or Bortles with a chance to take D and later get a guy like Mettenberger or Logan Thomas.
 
Sounds like Cassel's bailing. O'Brien was the OC when Cassel filled in for Brady when he went down. He was also Crennel's QB in KC.

I don't think he's the answer, but could be a decent stop gap until the rook is ready. Clowney at 1, QB in the 2nd

I thought Josh McDaniels was the OC/QB coach, play caller for Matt Cassel's 2008 season.

O'Brien was the WR coach in 2008. At least according to Wiki
After two seasons with Duke, O'Brien was hired by the New England Patriots on February 27, 2007 as an offensive assistant.[7] On February 21, 2008, O'Brien was promoted to wide receivers coach.[8] He became the quarterbacks coach and offensive play-caller following the 2008 season after the departure of quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. He was promoted to offensive coordinator in February 2011.
The Patriots gave the Jacksonville Jaguars permission to interview O'Brien for their head coaching vacancy during the Patriots' playoff bye week; O'Brien was scheduled for an interview, but never actually interviewed for the job.[9] Instead, O'Brien interviewed with Penn State staff on January 5, 2012,[10] was offered the head coach position, and signed a four-year contract to become the Nittany Lions' coach.[11] O'Brien continued as New England's offensive coordinator through Super Bowl XLVI.
 
You are not incorrect in terms a great defense being key to a championship, but the window in salary cap football is really short. of all the great defenses, starting with the bears, the teams only won once and too often were not real contenders. Its way harder and lasts three or fours years on the long end.

What team has repeated? In the last 10 yrs how many SB's has Manning/Brady won?

Are you saying that building the trenches 1st isn't the way to go? I believe building the trenches 1st is the only way to go if you want lasting success. Especially if there's no Luck/RG3 type QB prospect in this yrs draft.
 
???

Brady won in 2005 (and 2004, repeating, but that falls one year outside the "past 10 years" stipulation) and Manning won in 2007

Brady's last SB win took place in 2005 for the 2004 season so falls outside of 10 years.

Not sure of your Eli point. I indicated he/the Giants repeated within the last 10 years - 2007 and 2011 seasons. The Steelers did as well with Big Ben - 2005 and 2008 seasons.
 
Brady's last SB win took place in 2005 for the 2004 season so falls outside of 10 years.

Not sure of your Eli point. I indicated he/the Giants repeated within the last 10 years - 2007 and 2011 seasons. The Steelers did as well with Big Ben - 2005 and 2008 seasons.

Brady's last Superbowl win was 2005, but it is within the past 10 Superbowl winners. I literally counted back from the Seahawks (SB 48) to the Patriots(SB 39).

And when I said Manning, I meant Peyton, because that's what I assumed the other poster was referring to (as far as "elite QBs") and you answered "none" to the question "How many SBs has Manning/Brady won in the past 10 years".
 
Brady's last SB win took place in 2005 for the 2004 season so falls outside of 10 years.

Not sure of your Eli point. I indicated he/the Giants repeated within the last 10 years - 2007 and 2011 seasons. The Steelers did as well with Big Ben - 2005 and 2008 seasons.

Maybe I should've been more clear and said back to back. The point is there are no more dynasty's in the NFL. The best way to insure success is to build the 49er/Pats way. build the OL/DL then get your QB.
 
What team has repeated? In the last 10 yrs how many SB's has Manning/Brady won?

Are you saying that building the trenches 1st isn't the way to go? I believe building the trenches 1st is the only way to go if you want lasting success. Especially if there's no Luck/RG3 type QB prospect in this yrs draft.

Well show evidence of this. Building the lines just repeated over and over . And again good luck keeping those lines together ...see 2011 texans
 
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